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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16642369
Didn't realize the founder Kim Dotcom, formerly known as Kim Schmitz was actually living here in NZ and was the one who purchased the old Crisco mansion(largest house in nz).
Site was shutdown earlier today and his house was raided by police seizing evidence. Kim Dotcom reportedly made $52million in 2010 from his file sharing sites alone.
Surprised nothing was posted about this already.
*Edit Title was meant to say shutdown, must of been a typo.
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its a load of horse shit
we should have told america to Fuck off instead of sucking on their penis
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He tried to buy the chrisco mansion but was declined by the OIA guys, so was only leasing it.
List of shit (see page 69)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/78786408/Mega-Indictment
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he was also #1 on mw3 on xbox 360 apparently because he played like 12 hours a day
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His lawyer reckons Megas no different than You tube.
Not sure if that's right.
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Its like the Nz media are revelling in the fact that the FBI are involved.
Fuck off FBI.
I'll be interested on the Nz laws that were broken to allow the raid on private property.
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Few tweets to read https://twitter.com/#!/YourAnonNews
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The articles I've read have all be geared towards "CONGRATULATIONS NZ ON BEING AT THE FOREFRONT OF ENDING PIRACY".
Embarrassmentpalm.jpg
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The annons arnt to happy today...
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The Anons actually think they're helping by DDoS'ing.
OMG GUYS, WHAT SHALL WE DO? LETS DDoS!
The only thing they can do.
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Its pretty funny though. Sections of the US govt "take down" megaupload, so a section of the internet community turns around to take down the US govt sites.
Meanwhile twitter is exploding with #megaupload
And they are getting clever about doing it http://gawker.com/5877707/
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Dare you to post the link, MCC, but in hide-and-seek mode.
And watch as Zarkov foams at the mouth.
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How is this guy Kim a hero?
I've seen his house and yacht, so he's obviously no Robin Hood.
He's giving piracy a bad name imo.
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His lawyer reckons Megas no different than You tube.
Not sure if that's right.
User uploads copyright material to site. Copyright holder can report infringement.
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Yeah but in the case of megaupload the site owner/operator did nothing about the infringement.
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pretty much, this is kinda bullshit.
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Upload sites are like used car dealers, they come and go.
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Yeah but in the case of megaupload the site owner/operator did nothing about the infringement.
MU constantly pulls files that are reported for copyright infringement.
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Upload sites are like used car dealers, they come and go.
MU constantly pulls files that are reported for copyright infringement.
This, so does multiple other sites such as RS,FS,FSC,2S,4S,MF etc. Rapidshare used to host more files until they changed their pricing.
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PROPERTY SUBJECT TO FORFEITURE
$175,000,000 in United States dollars
2010 Maserati GranCabrio
2009 Mercedes-Benz E500 Coupe
2005 Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM
2004 Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM AMG 5.5L Kompressor
2010 Mercedes-Benz S65 AMG
2008 Rolls-Royce Phantom Drop Head Coupe
2010 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG
2010 Mini Cooper S Coupe
2010 Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG
2007 Mercedes-Benz CL65 AMG
2009 Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG
2010 Toyota Vellfire
2011 Mercedes-Benz G55 AMG
2011 Toyota Hilux
Harley Davidson Motorcycle
2010 Mercedes-Benz CL63 AMG
2005 Mercedes-Benz A170
2005 Mercedes-Benz ML500
1957 Cadillac El Dorado
2010 Sea-Doo GTX Jet Ski
1959 Cadillac Series 62 Convertible
Von Dutch Kustom Motor Bike
2006 Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM
2010 Mini Cooper S Coupe
1989 Lamborghini LM002
2011 Mercedes-Benz ML63
Samsung 820DXN 82” LCD TV
Samsung 820DXN 82” LCD TV
Samsung 820DXN 82” LCD TV
Sharp 108” LCD Display TV
Sharp 108” LCD Display TV
Sony PMW-F3K Camera S/N 0200231
Sony PMW-F3K Camera S/N 0200561
2009 Mercedes-Benz ML350 CDI 4MATIC Off-Roader
Sharp LC-65XS1M 65” LCD TV
Sharp LC-65XS1M 65” LCD TV
TVLogic 56” LUM56W TV
Sixty (60) Dell R710 computer servers
Bugger...
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Samsung 820DXN 82” LCD TV
Samsung 820DXN 82” LCD TV
Samsung 820DXN 82” LCD TV
Sharp 108” LCD Display TV
Sharp 108” LCD Display TV
Sharp LC-65XS1M 65” LCD TV
Sharp LC-65XS1M 65” LCD TV
TVLogic 56” LUM56W TV
Need more TV tbh lol
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And all the cars?
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I want those 60 servers.
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To host all your kitty porn.
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That's still better than the duck pronz
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Officials with Universal Music could not immediately be reached
Is that because they were mid DOSA?
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So incrediface drunk, but this is just bullshit. even to me in this state. NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH IN THE STATES. as NZ cops have obviously done.
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MU constantly pulls files that are reported for copyright infringement.
Part of the issue here was MU pulled the URL's and kept the files for 'admin' consumption.
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most of the shit on MU was porn anyway.
Y/n?
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No real surprises here. It'll be interesting to see if these guys get extradited to the States - that'd be a pretty big concern. But FBI involvement etc, it's really something you've got to expect from time to time, that's the cost of having a relationship with superpowers. Just wait the til the Chinese ask us to return the favour for that millionaire-runaway.
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No one deserves that many cars anyway.
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Considering NZ radio was once the pioneer of pirate radio (Hauraki).. I'm up for a lol if they put servers on boats and sit outside jurisdiction in the ocean with their servers
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TPB relesed this which I found interesting
INTERNETS, 18th of January 2012. PRESS RELEASE, FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE.
Over a century ago Thomas Edison got the patent for a device which would “do for the eye what the phonograph does for the ear”. He called it the Kinetoscope. He was not only amongst the first to record video, he was also the first person to own the copyright to a motion picture.
Because of Edisons patents for the motion pictures it was close to financially impossible to create motion pictures in the North american east coast. The movie studios therefor relocated to California, and founded what we today call Hollywood. The reason was mostly because there was no patent. There was also no copyright to speak of, so the studios could copy old stories and make movies out of them – like Fantasia, one of Disneys biggest hits ever.
So, the whole basis of this industry, that today is screaming about losing control over immaterial rights, is that they circumvented immaterial rights. They copied (or put in their terminology: “stole”) other peoples creative works, without paying for it. They did it in order to make a huge profit. Today, they’re all successful and most of the studios are on the Fortune 500 list of the richest companies in the world. Congratulations – it’s all based on being able to re-use other peoples creative works. And today they hold the rights to what other people create. If you want to get something released, you have to abide to their rules. The ones they created after circumventing other peoples rules.
The reason they are always complainting about “pirates” today is simple. We’ve done what they did. We circumvented the rules they created and created our own. We crushed their monopoly by giving people something more efficient. We allow people to have direct communication between eachother, circumventing the profitable middle man, that in some cases take over 107% of the profits (yes, you pay to work for them). It’s all based on the fact that we’re competition. We’ve proven that their existance in their current form is no longer needed. We’re just better than they are.
And the funny part is that our rules are very similar to the founding ideas of the USA. We fight for freedom of speech. We see all people as equal. We believe that the public, not the elite, should rule the nation. We believe that laws should be created to serve the public, not the rich corporations.
The Pirate Bay is truly an international community. The team is spread all over the globe – but we’ve stayed out of the USA. We have Swedish roots and a swedish friend said this: The word SOPA means “trash” in Swedish. The word PIPA means “a pipe” in Swedish. This is of course not a coincidence. They want to make the internet inte a one way pipe, with them at the top, shoving trash through the pipe down to the rest of us obedient consumers. The public opinion on this matter is clear. Ask anyone on the street and you’ll learn that noone wants to be fed with trash. Why the US government want the american people to be fed with trash is beyond our imagination but we hope that you will stop them, before we all drown.
SOPA can’t do anything to stop TPB. Worst case we’ll change top level domain from our current .org to one of the hundreds of other names that we already also use. In countries where TPB is blocked, China and Saudi Arabia springs to mind, they block hundreds of our domain names. And did it work? Not really. To fix the “problem of piracy” one should go to the source of the problem. The entertainment industry say they’re creating “culture” but what they really do is stuff like selling overpriced plushy dolls and making 11 year old girls become anorexic. Either from working in the factories that creates the dolls for basically no salary or by watching movies and tv shows that make them think that they’re fat.
In the great Sid Meiers computer game Civilization you can build Wonders of the world. One of the most powerful ones is Hollywood. With that you control all culture and media in the world. Rupert Murdoch was happy with MySpace and had no problems with their own piracy until it failed. Now he’s complainting that Google is the biggest source of piracy in the world – because he’s jealous. He wants to retain his mind control over people and clearly you’d get a more honest view of things on Wikipedia and Google than on Fox News.
Some facts (years, dates) are probably wrong in this press release. The reason is that we can’t access this information when Wikipedia is blacked out. Because of pressure from our failing competitors. We’re sorry for that.
THE PIRATE BAY, (K)2012
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Thats fucking cool, shot coolcar. Makes you feel part of something bigger..
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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0121/If-feds-can-bust-Megaupload-why-bother-with-anti-piracy-bills
If feds can bust Megaupload, why bother with anti-piracy bills?
As some of the internet's biggest power players, including Google and Wikipedia, protested two fast-tracked anti-piracy bills going through Congress, the US Justice Department launched an attack on one of the web's biggest alleged scofflaws, Megaupload, and, in a counterattack, the hacker group Anonymous temporarily blacked out DOJ's website.
Techno-pundits and mainstream observers quickly connected the dots between anti-piracy protests and the Megaupload arrests, notching the dustup as potentially the biggest salvo yet in the multi-billion dollar internet copyright wars pitting, in essence, Hollywood and its Washington lobbyists against internet free speech and its hacker protectors.
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I have some friends who had the misfortune to have this prick stay at their lodge. He made all the staff kneel in his presence, and his idea of fun was to ring up the 24 hr chef at 2 am request an elaborate meal and when it was delivered he would change his mind and get something else.
I hope bubba tears him a new one in a federal prison
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I have some friends who had the misfortune to have this prick stay at their lodge. He made all the staff kneel in his presence, and his idea of fun was to ring up the 24 hr chef at 2 am request an elaborate meal and when it was delivered he would change his mind and get something else.
I hope bubba tears him a new one in a federal prison
In light of this new character reference I would like to see a gerbil forcibly uploaded into Mr. DotCom's anus.
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TPB relesed this which I found interesting
I wonder how long the people who create big-budget movies would carry on if 'hollywood' (the people who distribute the movies and make the money based on the article) was gone, and only ThePirateBay remained.
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The second hearing for Dotcom is today at North Shore district court isn't it?
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I see Fileserve, Uploaded and Filesonic are in panic mode at the moment.
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I have some friends who had the misfortune to have this prick stay at their lodge. He made all the staff kneel in his presence, and his idea of fun was to ring up the 24 hr chef at 2 am request an elaborate meal and when it was delivered he would change his mind and get something else.
I hope bubba tears him a new one in a federal prison
Yea fuck those rich content creators and their millions of dollars.
Instead lets give millions of dollars to fat douche-bags that don't create anything instead.
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bummer they can't spell complaining - don't remember it having a t in it - ever
but interesting take on things
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Yea fuck those rich content characters and their millions of dollars.
Instead lets give millions of dollars to fat douche-bags that don't create anything instead.
I agree.
There's no way I'd pay someone for pirated content instead of the people who created it (like megadoucheload or any of the other filesharing sites).
All these justifications to pirate just don't wash with me.
Create something to sell, spend your time and money making it then watch people take it without giving you anything. See how that feels, yes, that's right, it feels like something is being stolen from you.
Saying that 'they' have millions of dollars so it's OK is just another weak way of self justification. Fact is, not everyone involved is rich, just because some of the main people are.
It's only people who offer nothing, contribute zero and sit back consuming like a black hole that want to justify taking other people's work for free.
/ 2 cents
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I agree.
There's no way I'd pay someone for pirated content instead of the people who created it (like megadoucheload or any of the other filesharing sites).
All these justifications to pirate just don't wash with me.
Create something to sell, spend your time and money making it then watch people take it without giving you anything. See how that feels, yes, that's right, it feels like something is being stolen from you.
Saying that 'they' have millions of dollars so it's OK is just another weak way of self justification. Fact is, not everyone involved is rich, just because some of the main people are.
It's only people who offer nothing, contribute zero and sit back consuming like a black hole that want to justify taking other people's work for free.
/ 2 cents
There are a few things I would like to point out with this:
1: Piracy/copyright infringement for personel use vs Piracy for Commercial use are 2 seperate things.
when done commercially - there is some monetery reward for it (ie downloading a Movie, burning it to DVD and then selling it for a profit)
Me posting a youtube video with a copyrighted song playing in the back ground, there is no monetary gain for me, there is no monetary Loss for the copyright holder (as in the people that watch my Youtube video aren't watching it for the song playing in the background therefore they have no intention of purchasing the material) yet they are complaining that if I create something original which I am neither selling nor recieving monetary gain for, that happens to include a small section of something copyrighted then this is costing them money. Add on top of that, they make profits of several Billion a year, I make an income of a fraction of that.
2: Equal access to Media.
I love Metalocalypse, it is my Favourite animated show. I am also a Sky Subscriber with most of the channel Packages. yet this content isn't availible in NZ. this leaves me with the following options:
1: Wait for the DVD to come out (several months to a year After the season has finished) and purchase it (without watching any of the shows)
2: Wait for the show to be availible (if ever) in my Area (in most cases 6 months to years after the show has finished in the US)
3: Attempt to watch the show on a company streaming website via a proxy to allow me to watch US content (Proxies which I either have to pay for, or put up with crappy quality due to bandwidth fluctuations)
4: Torrent it and enjoy
I am happy to pay for content, but in this day and age I have an expectation that if a show has been released in the US (or anywhere else for that matter) then it should be availible in NZ within a reasonable time frame. 6 months after the episode has aired or a year after the season has finished isn't reasonable.
I would also like to point out that Because I torrented all the seasons of Metalocalypse, I have since bought all the DVDs - something I may not have done if I wasn't able to download it. which brings me to my next point:
3: Wider Exposure via relaxed copyright laws.
a lot of the Music that I am into has at one point or another been downloaded. Because of this, I bought the Albums, the T-Shirts, The Concert Tickets, The Live DVD's, I lent my Albums to friends going 'this Shit is Fucking AWESOME!' etc. etc.
For a company to claim that they are loosing revenue from me is a little absurd. on the grander scale, entire genres have been created by way of relaxation of copyright - examples include Rap/Hip Hop, Jungle/Big Beat dance music, Warhammer 40K, etc. etc.
4: Their entire augument to justify the extreme measures that are proposing is because Piracy costs billions of dollars and is costing American Jobs and income.
Funnily enough, all of the companies that are touting this line still managed to make Multi Million and Multi Billion dollar profits (not losses) so clearly it isn't impacting them to the scale they are claiming or they are cutting the american jobs to make sure that they still get the large end of year profits which line the pockets of the privledged few - in which case, it isn't the piracy that is costing the jobs, it is their greed.
5: in the current form that we legally purchase media, there is a physical copy. I buy a CD of my favourite band, I listen to it in my Car. if I was to leave that CD in my car CD wallet (like most of you do) and want a copy at home, the law says I would need to buy another copy of the CD.
but why should I? I have already purchased the media, I won't be able to listen to the 2 copies of the CD. now because of their anti piracy measures it makes it harder for me to take media (that I have legally purchased) and make a legal personal copy. So I download it (cause its easier) and put a copy on my Laptop, Gaming PC, Work PC, Car, MP3 player etc. which could be considered illegal but since I have paid for the media, I should be able to have copies on My devices.
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The Demon Lord, if the content creator wanted it publically available for 'easy advertising', they would make it so. But they don't.
Much less people I know buy music now than they did 10-15 years ago. That alone is enough for me to know piracy impacts sales.
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The Demon Lord, if the content creator wanted it publically available for 'easy advertising', they would make it so. But they don't.
Much less people I know buy music now than they did 10-15 years ago. That alone is enough for me to know piracy impacts sales.
Based on what Study/findings?
remember that correlation doesn't equal Causation:
http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal-111202/
the US economy has taken a downturn because of Retardation and Greed based policies (oh the Irony) which in turn has caused ripple effects on other economies less disposable income could Also account for the downturn of sales
and not to mention the Quality of material being released could also be a factor...
As for Easy advertising, it isn't about Easy advertising, there argument is that people that download don't buy the product they have downloaded and this is causing them lost revenue. the retort to this is that people that download, on average, spend MORE on products (not just the media, but associated and complimentary offerings) than someone who doesn't download. my case in point - I download an album from a band I haven't heard. I like the Album, I buy it, I buy the T-shirt and when they come to NZ I pay the $80 to go see them. Hell in some cases I have flown over to Aus to see them.
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Based on what Study/findings?
remember that correlation doesn't equal Causation:
[url]http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal-111202/[/url]
the US economy has taken a downturn because of Retardation and Greed based policies (oh the Irony) which in turn has caused ripple effects on other economies less disposable income could Also account for the downturn of sales
and not to mention the Quality of material being released could also be a factor...
As for Easy advertising, it isn't about Easy advertising, there argument is that people that download don't buy the product they have downloaded and this is causing them lost revenue. the retort to this is that people that download, on average, spend MORE on products (not just the media, but associated and complimentary offerings) than someone who doesn't download. my case in point - I download an album from a band I haven't heard. I like the Album, I buy it, I buy the T-shirt and when they come to NZ I pay the $80 to go see them. Hell in some cases I have flown over to Aus to see them.
what do I need a study/findings for? I was pointing out my own real-world experiences based on my peers.
Its not 'their argument', its 'their decision' not to distribute their own creation freely. You choose to decide that doesn't matter of course, because you know better.
I just asked a workmate when he last bought music, he can't remember, at least 3 years ago were his words. He used to buy a lot, now he just downloads it all. So that balances out someone like yourself that goes the other way. I wonder what kind of people there are more of?
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what do I need a study/findings for? I was pointing out my own real-world experiences based on my peers.
Its not 'their argument', its 'their decision' not to distribute their own creation freely. You choose to decide that doesn't matter of course, because you know better.
I just asked a workmate when he last bought music, he can't remember, at least 3 years ago were his words. He used to buy a lot, now he just downloads it all. So that balances out someone like yourself that goes the other way. I wonder what kind of people there are more of?
Because anecdotal evidence is really Really reliable when dealing with legal matters and making decisions that have a Global effect...
Their decision is fine - they don't want to distribute their creation freely. Thats great, but there is a difference between free distribution and copying on the internet. Not to mention the Irony that the industries that are pushing for these changes got Rich by blatantly and intentionally breaking Copyright/Patent laws. There is also a fair amount of evidence to backup the assertation that a looser approach to copyright enforcement promotes creativity which ultimately benefits the Industry by driving more revenue.
As for your friend - by your logic then, if we cancel each other out then the companies wouldn't be experiancing the lose in revenue that they keep touting (despite the huge profits that they consistantly post year after year....)
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Ahh the sense of entitlement is staggering.
I totally agree that distribution needs to stop living in the past and stop making it so hard to get content in such an interconnected world.
But using that as justification and trying to paint yourself as the good guy is pretty weak.
I've pirated afew tv shows when the box set is already out, because it's free and i'm lazy and couldn't be bothered going to the store.
Like %99 of people who pirate, I don't have some 17 point reason as to why my piracy is ok.
Fact is it just too easy to pirate and even if you did have some amazing infallible reason to pirate the general public don't they only care that its free.
Maybe if we were all paying a dollar per episode of Game of Thrones etc more of those shows would be made and these distribution systems can be setup easier, at the moment they have to compete with free services.
I don't have the answers on how to do this correctly and efficiently but I'm not against the principle.
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As for Easy advertising, it isn't about Easy advertising, there argument is that people that download don't buy the product they have downloaded and this is causing them lost revenue. the retort to this is that people that download, on average, spend MORE on products (not just the media, but associated and complimentary offerings) than someone who doesn't download. my case in point - I download an album from a band I haven't heard. I like the Album, I buy it, I buy the T-shirt and when they come to NZ I pay the $80 to go see them. Hell in some cases I have flown over to Aus to see them.
Never done this any of this.
Infact I haven't download many songs in general I mostly get stuff from other people who say hey check out these dudes, as they pass me a USB key to plug into my computer.
And I bet the person like me is more common than the person like you.
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Because anecdotal evidence is really Really reliable when dealing with legal matters and making decisions that have a Global effect...
Their decision is fine - they don't want to distribute their creation freely. Thats great, but there is a difference between free distribution and copying on the internet. Not to mention the Irony that the industries that are pushing for these changes got Rich by blatantly and intentionally breaking Copyright/Patent laws. There is also a fair amount of evidence to backup the assertation that a looser approach to copyright enforcement promotes creativity which ultimately benefits the Industry by driving more revenue.
As for your friend - by your logic then, if we cancel each other out then the companies wouldn't be experiancing the lose in revenue that they keep touting (despite the huge profits that they consistantly post year after year....)
I'm not dealing with legal matters personally, I was stating my experiences. Is that not allowed these days?
In regards to 'cancelling each other out', perhaps you should read the last sentence of my post.
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I've brought 1 album for myself in 10 years so I cancel the hell out of anything Demon has done.
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Piracy isn't even the issue here, it's what responsibilities and accountabilities interwebble sites have which host user-generated or user-uploaded content. If MU gets toasted then watch half the cloud close its doors.
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Wouldn't it be great if the studio's concentrated on future proofing digital distribution of their products instead of trying to pass laws that try to hold onto their traditional revenue streams. Those ways of making money are almost gone. They need embrace the easier forms of distribution at a far lower cost with a more global focus.
Easily typed...probably not easily done.
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Piracy isn't even the issue here, it's what responsibilities and accountabilities interwebble sites have which host user-generated or user-uploaded content. If MU gets toasted then watch half the cloud close its doors.
How is it not the issue?
If MU wasn't ripping off peoples' stuff, no one would care about them.
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How is it not the issue?
If MU wasn't ripping off peoples' stuff, no one would care about them.
no more than youtube does.
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How is it not the issue?
If MU wasn't ripping off peoples' stuff, no one would care about them.
MU didn't rip shit off, its users did. MU's problem is that they profited off it. The feds need to prove they "wilfully"profited from copyright infringement to have a case.
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MU didn't rip shit off, its users did. MU's problem is that they profited off it. The feds need to prove they "wilfully"profited from copyright infringement to have a case.
Read the court documents, it's very clear from the internal correspondence they knew what was going on and where content was - even after it was 'taken down'. MU paid for people to upload content to thier servers, once that content was there, they did sweet FA to remove it or keep it above board.
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MU didn't rip shit off, its users did. MU's problem is that they profited off it. The feds need to prove they "wilfully"profited from copyright infringement to have a case.
If you steal something and I let you put it in my garage, I'm playing some part in the crime surely?
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Read the court documents, it's very clear from the internal correspondence they knew what was going on and where content was - even after it was 'taken down'. MU paid for people to upload content to thier servers, once that content was there, they did sweet FA to remove it or keep it above board.
I know, but they're going to have to be hammered on specific infringements - there's no absolutely clear breach of a specific copyright law otherwise they would have been hung out to dry years ago. Hell, they're getting targetted for money laundering :S
If you steal something and I let you put it in my garage, I'm playing some part in the crime surely?
Under our Crimes Act, yes. Under the US's fucked up copyright laws, not necessarily. Again, "piracy" is not the crux of this issue (just an interesting subset of the issue maybe).
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Why are people jumping up and down about filesharing sites like MU and piracy, when these same people use Youtube, facebook etc which have millions of copyrighted files. Is it because these sites are mainstream so its deemed acceptable to use. Whats the difference other than watching content as opposed to downloading it to your pc then watching it. Lots of hypocrites out there.
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Please link me to the full dark night movie on youtube
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^He's right, there's no content on YouTube which infringes copyright. Zoiks :S
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Please link me to the full dark night movie on youtube
there is the full addams family values movie if you would prefer
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Please link me to the full dark night movie on youtube
Singham!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny5n8MJIA-0
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Please link me to the full dark night movie on youtube
^He's right, there's no content on YouTube which infringes copyright. Zoiks :S
So because there isnt the selection found on filesharing sites that means there is nothing?
Didn't realize only top Hollywood movies counted as piracy. Guess all the TV shows, docos, music etc dont count............
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pretty sure i was being sarcastic o_O
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So because there isnt the selection found on filesharing sites that means there is nothing?
Didn't realize only top Hollywood movies counted as piracy. Guess all the TV shows, docos, music etc dont count............
I guess the difference is there will be multiple links to the dark night on sites like megaupload right now but there are none on youtube even though youtube is like 1000 times more popular.
Why is that i wonder?
Could it be that one company doesn't actually want pirated material on its site and puts systems in-place to identify and stamp it out and the other only pretends it gives a shit because at the end of the day the entire business depends on piracy?
You guys really don't give a shit about the legal wording anyway and your faux concern for youtube doesn't wash.
Aslong as you get to pirate you don't really care, if it was impossible to load pirated material to youtube and other popular sites you would just move on to your next excuse that the price is too high for you.
And then if they dropped the price you would say the DRM is too hard to deal with and its easier to download it pirated anyways.
And then if they removed DRM you would say you didn't know if you would like the movie/show that much so you don't need to pay for it because just by watching it, it increases the chances of you paying for it later.
But then you don't pay for it later instead you share it with your friends.
But that's ok because they don't need your money anyways because TV producers are rich assholes so you feel pretty good about yourself.
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I do think that if it was made easy to access good quality content at reasonable prices there would be less pirates.
Instead of screwing down the hatches to make it harder to pirate they should make it easier to buy. When it's actually much easier to pirate than it is to buy..something is wrong.
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I don't disagree with the first sentence, but the 2 ideas aren't mutually exclusive.
The problem with internet content delivery is due to distribution contracts and rights, Amazon has a great service with its kindle library but it can still be really fucking annoying due to them not having the distribution rights in AUS/NZ for some books.
It will take time to sort out but even then I believe piracy will still be rampant if things on the file-sharing side stay the same.
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Apparently, defend megaupload and you're a pirate 8|
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Apparently, defend megaupload and you're a pirate 8|
You're not?
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Yeah, Kindle is awesome. I use it and love it. Great price. Easy. Shame you can't share your books but price is pretty good so no big deal. Pity buying MP3's or movies isn't like that.
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You're not?
Depends how you define pirate. I don't download pirated material and I've never used megaupload or anything like it. But I have used/listened to/watched/read copyrighted material that I wasn't licensed to. Have you?
Shame you can't share your books but price is pretty good so no big deal.
Son, someday you will inherit this kingdom from me. Look to the horizon, everything the sun touches will become yours. Except my eBooks. You're not licensed to read them.
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Sure have from this thread...
I've pirated afew tv shows when the box set is already out, because it's free and i'm lazy and couldn't be bothered going to the store.
Like %99 of people who pirate, I don't have some 17 point reason as to why my piracy is ok.
Yet that doesn't mean its right or i'm gonna defend it.
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Sure have from this thread...
Yet that doesn't mean its right or i'm gonna defend it.
So we have............exactly the same viewpoint :s
I just think it's bullshit that Kim/MU is being made the scapegoat and that we're sucking the states' cock because of their industry-funded lobbyists.
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I'm happy to see this Kim guy fall.
Purely because he appears to be a giant douchebag.
This tirade that the anons have going on due to his capture however seems to be a bit misguided.
Fucking love the thread title by the way.
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So we have............exactly the same viewpoint :s
I just think it's bullshit that Kim/MU is being made the scapegoat and that we're sucking the states' cock because of their industry-funded lobbyists.
My rant was aimed not just at you but at the large group of users on this site that spout the same arguments about why their piracy is ok.
Most of us do things that go against our principles all the time and we are experts at coming up with justifications for our actions, it's part of the human condition.
MU is in the wrong, it's hard to pin them on the law due to the way the internet works but a blind man can see they are in the business of piracy.
The court case will be interesting, hopefully they can pin him for something and they get afew others.
I'm guessing they actually found something solid on this group, and that's why they have been targeted.
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So we have............exactly the same viewpoint :s
I just think it's bull$#@! that Kim/MU is being made the scapegoat and that we're sucking the states' $#@! because of their industry-funded lobbyists.
His company at most was refusing to remove copyrighted content that they did not own the distribution rights to and at the very least was doing nearly nothing to police the content following requests from copyright holders.
Youtube, on the otherhand, is very active at taking down copyrighted material at the behest of the copyright holder.
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Their decision is fine - they don't want to distribute their creation freely. Thats great, but there is a difference between free distribution and copying on the internet. Not to mention the Irony that the industries that are pushing for these changes got Rich by blatantly and intentionally breaking Copyright/Patent laws. There is also a fair amount of evidence to backup the assertation that a looser approach to copyright enforcement promotes creativity which ultimately benefits the Industry by driving more revenue.
They arent free under the status quo because people will just take what they want regardless of the creator/license holders wishes. They dont get to make that decision. Just because something is good business doesnt mean the consumer gets to force a company to adopt that practice. That is the business' choice and it is very important that they are free to make that choice.
If it turns out that putting out free music is a great way to drive sales elsewhere then it would be great to see more companies doing that. But I completely support the right of the that one company to NOT do that, even if it puts them out of business.
We dont live in a society where we can just take what we want. The right to own and control your property is a very important right in our society. It far outweighs this sense of entitlement to music,TV, movies etc.
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His company refused to remove copyrighted content that they did not own the distribution rights to.
Inaccurate and misleading statement. MU actively complied with DMCA takedown requests, the problem was that they keep some of that content on their backend servers (for lulz??).
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They arent free under the status quo because people will just take what they want regardless of the creator/license holders wishes. They dont get to make that decision. Just because something is good business doesnt mean the consumer gets to force a company to adopt that practice. That is the business' choice and it is very important that they are free to make that choice.
We dont live in a society where we can just take what we want. The right to own and control your property is a very important right in our society. It far outweighs this sense of entitlement to music,TV, movies etc.
Funnily enough, they do make that decision with frequent regularity. such as Apple vs Android, this incident etc.
As for the Consumer forcing a company to adopt practices - there is a phrase for that: Free Market Economy - The customer is always right. In this instance, Consumers can and DO get to force companies to adopt better business practices - just look at the difference in the Internet Market in NZ over the last 10 years when public pressure (and eventually Government intervention) forced companies to do away with Profit maximising business practices in favour of more equitable and Free market practices.
And while it is the business choice to choose practices designed to restrict content in order to maximise profit and screw the consumer, I personally have no sympathy when the consumer bites back at the outdated and draconian business practices in order to de-restrict content which history has shown promotes creativity and the generation of New content.
There is a right to own and control your own property - like I have the right to own a car and drive my car when I like.
but now I sell you my car, hand you over the keys after you pay me a fee for my car.
You now have the right to own that Car and Drive that car when you like.
Except when it comes to entertainment media, this isn't the case. You don't own the car, the company does. Sure you can drive it when you like, but you can't drive it with more than 4 people in, you can't recieve gas money from your friend for giving him a lift, you can't lend your car to your mate. You can only drive on supported roads and if you try and circumvent the measures put in place to stop you from driving on other roads, you are doing something illegal.
I agree with some points that the Copyright laws ARE outdated and a lot does need to be done to protect both the companies and the consumers. The problem is that the companies want to make laws (by Bribing - I mean 'Lobbying' US congress) that tip the scales completely in their favour, to the Detrement of an entire industry that has done far more good in 30 years than a lot of these companies have done in 100 and also to the detrement of the public at large.
Whereas what they should be doing is working on ways to make content more freely/easily availible to the global market. Someone in Uzbekistan wants to watch the lates Game of Thrones online? Sure! no problem, here is a site where he can watch it for a reasonable monthly fee. Someone in Venezuala wants to watch the latest blockbuster a few days after its US release? No worries - the movie is already showing in his local Cinema. but instead of working towards a Solution, they insist that might and greed is right. When you combine this attitude with the obscene profits that they are still making whilst playing the 'O Woe is me' and 'Poor, financially crippled us' cards, it makes it impossible for me to have any sympathy for the large corporations who are responsible for the lobbying - I mean bribing governments into making laws in their favour.
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http://www.3news.co.nz/Kim-Dotcom-is-worlds-best-Call-of-Duty-MW3-player/tabid/418/articleID/240456/Default.aspx
http://kotaku.com/5878337/arrested-megaupload-boss-cheated-his-way-to-video-game-glory-opponents-say
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Bell owns you guys.
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As for the Consumer forcing a company to adopt practices - there is a phrase for that: Free Market Economy - The customer is always right.
Pretty hard to break out the economic theory when the customer is paying nothing for the goods.
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Pretty hard to break out the economic theory when the customer is paying nothing for the goods.
on the contrary - Consumers NOT paying for a commodity is probably one of the biggest forms of Economic protest...
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I hate apples prices so i'm going to steal some iphones?
I think you meant not "BUYING" as in not paying anything or receiving the good because you feel it isn't priced correctly.
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My rant was aimed not just at you but at the large group of users on this site that spout the same arguments about why their piracy is ok.
Most of us do things that go against our principles all the time and we are experts at coming up with justifications for our actions, it's part of the human condition.
MU is in the wrong, it's hard to pin them on the law due to the way the internet works but a blind man can see they are in the business of piracy.
The court case will be interesting, hopefully they can pin him for something and they get afew others.
I'm guessing they actually found something solid on this group, and that's why they have been targeted.
Where have I ever said piracy was ok and defended it. My point was the same idiots that are jumping up and down about MU much like yourself, have no problems with places like Youtube purely because it doesn't have material that you want. To say youtube has its procedures in place and it keeps it 100% clean is trash. There are music clips, tv shows and docos that have been up for years which are in clear breach of the copyrights. Youtube has only more recently been pulling music files from clips after it figured out a way to make money of it.
You can say all you like but its a fact youtube has a shitload of copyrighted material exactly like all the filesharing websites, just because its not in the amount that the filesharing sites have doesn't mean its above the law.
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This is a stupid argument.
Bell - are you suggesting the entertainment industry doesn't need to evolve? We just need more legislation to punish their potential customers? And people should feel more guilty about pirating stuff?
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It's not above the law, but I disagree that youtube is in the business of making money of piracy, yes technically it happens but they actively take steps to stop it.
Music files and recent movies get taken down really quickly with the use of automatic software.
If the executives running youtube are actively seeking to make money from piracy then sure lock them up.
I bet if we could somehow get the numbers of copyrighted material vs legal material on youtube vs MU there would be a vast difference.
You guys aren't stupid, you know that the place to get your favourite TV show isn't youtube its a filelocker.
It's about intent and intent is nine tenths of the law.
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This is a stupid argument.
Bell - are you suggesting the entertainment industry doesn't need to evolve? We just need more legislation to punish their potential customers? And people should feel more guilty about pirating stuff?
No, Yes and Yes
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No, Yes and Yes
Fair enough.
Can I add that content producers still make money out of consumers when they watch a pirated movie or tv show? :)
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I don't see how any of the artists on my playlist right now have made any money from me pirating their stuff.
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I don't see how any of the artists on my playlist right now have made any money from me pirating their stuff.
I specifically didn't mention music ;)
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Alright how did me pirating 4 seasons of 30 rock help make content creators money?
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Alright how did me pirating 4 seasons of 30 rock help make content creators money?
Product Placement.
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So how do the advertising companies know I've watched the show?
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Product Placement.
lol
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So how do the advertising companies know I've watched the show?
They may not know that *you* have watched the show but they know roughly how many hundred thousand pirate scum like you have downloaded it. You think you don't count in the viewership numbers because you didn't pay to watch it?
lol
How does advertising work on your planet then?
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I got uber-ragey when playing Alan Wake.
OH HEY, I'M A FUCKING VERIZON BILLBOARD, LOOK AT ME, I TAKE UP 90% OF YOUR SCREEN. FUCKING LOOK AT ME.
If you're going to do product placement, whore the shit out of it so it looks like belongs.
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I specifically didn't mention music ;)
It appears I spoke too soon on this...
[url]http://www.fastcocreate.com/1679025/bright-spot-for-the-music-industry-product-placement-is-pirate-proof[/url]
Regardless of whether users pay to download videos or songs, whose lyrics can also feature paid shout-outs to brands, they're still getting the marketing message. And that's good news for both brands and the music labels. "Obviously if the song is pirated, the lyrics aren't going to change,"
And here i was thinking the whole world was crazy except me.
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holy fark there's legions of poor misguided fools like me...
http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=piracy+and+product+placement&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a
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They may not know that *you* have watched the show but they know roughly how many hundred thousand pirate scum like you have downloaded it. You think you don't count in the viewership numbers because you didn't pay to watch it?
How does advertising work on your planet then?
If you don't know, go and find out.
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It's not above the law, but I disagree that youtube is in the business of making money of piracy, yes technically it happens but they actively take steps to stop it.
Music files and recent movies get taken down really quickly with the use of automatic software.
If the executives running youtube are actively seeking to make money from piracy then sure lock them up.
Guess all the copyrighted material on youtube doesn't make any money from all the ads huh. More traffic more money, like I said the only reason they started enforcing the take downs with newer music is because they realized they could make money on it.
Rage on about MU, carry on using youtube and say the pirating on it is fine, because its a small amount. One law for some another for others.
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I wonder how long the people who create big-budget movies would carry on if 'hollywood' (the people who distribute the movies and make the money based on the article) was gone, and only ThePirateBay remained.
Forever.
With hollywood gone investors would look to other resources, such as the likes of Vodo.net.
You can already see this model working in the indy games industry. There are a heap of investment funds set up specifically for supporting budding Filmmakers & Gamedev studios.
You just have to know where to look.
I think if things got turned around and the majority became the minority... the major investment folks wouldn't look down the small guys. What is currently fringe would become mainstream. Life would go on.
In other news, saw a picture of this kim.com fellow in the paper today. That is one ugly mother fucker. Not surprised to hear he has the personality of a jackass.
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Guess all the copyrighted material on youtube doesn't make any money from all the ads huh. More traffic more money, like I said the only reason they started enforcing the take downs with newer music is because they realized they could make money on it.
Rage on about MU, carry on using youtube and say the pirating on it is fine, because its a small amount. One law for some another for others.
The funny thing is I intentionally put in "Yes technically it happens" and then argued against the point you just made before you made it.
Yet you went ahead and used that as an argument anyway like you hadn't grasped my post.
You comment about only enforcing take-down because they realised they could make money is pure speculation.
I'll say it again, since you don't get it.
Much of law is dependant on intent, the intent of youtube isn't to host pirated content, I don't think the same can be said about certain filesharing sites.
You can go on about how there are some legitimate files on them but there are vast amounts of pirated materials on there and the majority of the traffic will be piracy related.
To put it another way.
There is a law that states you shouldn't kill someone.
How that law is applied depends on whether you intended to kill someone or if you only meant to hurt them or if you didn't mean to at all.
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The funny thing is I intentionally put in "Yes technically it happens" and then argued against the point you just made before you made it.
Yet you went ahead and used that as an argument anyway like you hadn't grasped my post.
You comment about only enforcing take-down because they realised they could make money is pure speculation.
I didn't bother reading any of your other posts, your argument was based on that youtube doesn't have feature movies on the site so therefore its ok. No Batman, so guess nothing else matters.
Yes its speculation about the music take downs, but seems pretty funny they started enforcing it right around the same time they they started making money off the music.
But im over it, carry on arguing how bad piracy and MU is, then continue to use sites like youtube.
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Didn't they freeze a couple hundred mil? How does he deserve this instead of the content makers?
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The Demon Lord, if the content creator wanted it publically available for 'easy advertising', they would make it so. But they don't.
Much less people I know buy music now than they did 10-15 years ago. That alone is enough for me to know piracy impacts sales.
I have not bought music in a long time. I used to buy a fair bit as a kid. Even though there were still MP3's, and CD burning.
I also have not downloaded or otherwise copied any music in just about as long. My music collection hasn't expanded much in about 10 years.
I also barely listen to the radio. Lack of official consumption isn't necessarially caused by piracy.
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I didn't bother reading any of your other posts, your argument was based on that youtube doesn't have feature movies on the site so therefore its ok. No Batman, so guess nothing else matters.
Yes its speculation about the music take downs, but seems pretty funny they started enforcing it right around the same time they they started making money off the music.
But im over it, carry on arguing how bad piracy and MU is, then continue to use sites like youtube.
So you didn't read any of my other posts, and then completely missed the point of the ones you did read.
And your responses contained 'facts' that were %100 made up by you.
Gotcha.
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holy fark there's legions of poor misguided fools like me...
[url]http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=piracy+and+product+placement&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a[/url]
Do you honestly believe that the money they get from product placement can match that of DVD sales and traditional advertising?
You argument seems to be aslong as they make some revenue regardless of how small it is then it's ok.
I highly doubt a sitcom of such quality as 30 rock could survive alone on product placements.
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Really bell?
Consider an unpopular tv series has 2 million viewers per episode. Charge each viewer 20 cents per episode. That's $400000 per episode, ie, enough to cover the costs of production and provide a little something something on the side. And that doesn't take into account product placement or dvd/merch sales.
If "hollywood" didn't exist, tv shows wouldn't stop being produced. They simply wouldn't have the money to pay their stars hundreds of thousands, or even millions of dollars per episode. There would be more choice and I suspect a much broader range of shows due to the lack of "centralised control" in the form of marketing analysts proscribing what is hot this season.
Ultimately, this is an argument about the inherent value of a work of art. Hollywood and the recording industry have a vested interested in art being viewed as a product (something you buy) or a service (something you rent). For these people art is not valuable as art, it is valuable as a revenue generating machine. It is an investment. It is gambling. And because it is gambling, the producers of television shows try to offer a safe bet, by producing the same stale shit we watch constantly. That's why procedural shows are so popular!
Art being something you pay large amounts for is something that is being threatened constantly nowdays with so much free or nearly free entertainment available 24/7. Television and films have failed to keep up with this trend, and as such are losing market share. Is it any surprise people in this thread don't want to pay $10 an hour to go to the cinema, when the price of one movie ticket will buy a months worth of subscription to an online game? If TV and movies want to catch up, they need to adapt to suit the current market. At the moment, they are failing to do so and paying the price for their hubris.
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Really bell?
Consider an unpopular tv series has 2 million viewers per episode. Charge each viewer 20 cents per episode. That's $400000 per episode, ie, enough to cover the costs of production and provide a little something something on the side. And that doesn't take into account product placement or dvd/merch sales.
If "hollywood" didn't exist, tv shows wouldn't stop being produced. They simply wouldn't have the money to pay their stars hundreds of thousands, or even millions of dollars per episode. There would be more choice and I suspect a much broader range of shows due to the lack of "centralised control" in the form of marketing analysts proscribing what is hot this season.
Ultimately, this is an argument about the inherent value of a work of art. Hollywood and the recording industry have a vested interested in art being viewed as a product (something you buy) or a service (something you rent). For these people art is not valuable as art, it is valuable as a revenue generating machine. It is an investment. It is gambling. And because it is gambling, the producers of television shows try to offer a safe bet, by producing the same stale shit we watch constantly. That's why procedural shows are so popular!
Art being something you pay large amounts for is something that is being threatened constantly nowdays with so much free or nearly free entertainment available 24/7. Television and films have failed to keep up with this trend, and as such are losing market share. Is it any surprise people in this thread don't want to pay $10 an hour to go to the cinema, when the price of one movie ticket will buy a months worth of subscription to an online game? If TV and movies want to catch up, they need to adapt to suit the current market. At the moment, they are failing to do so and paying the price for their hubris.
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That's $400000 per episode, ie, enough to cover the costs of production and provide a little something something on the side. And that doesn't take into account product placement or dvd/merch sales.
That's hilarious.
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You argument seems to be aslong as they make some revenue regardless of how small it is then it's ok.
No, I was just seeing if you'd ever thought about it. I'm not one of the ones trying to justify piracy.
In other news: last year Kim Dotcom announced a new music service to compete with the big labels and involved 90% of profits going to the artist.
http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=megabox&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Shit just got reeeeeeeeeeal interesting...
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That's hilarious.
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Here you go kiddies....
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204616504577171180266957116.html
You might notice the concept of 'intent' is used throughout the document.....
argument won, thanks for playing.
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Here you go kiddies....
[url]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204616504577171180266957116.html[/url]
You might notice the concept of 'intent' is used throughout the document.....
argument won, thanks for playing.
Lol, welcome to page 3 of this thread - The feds need to prove they "wilfully"profited from copyright infringement to have a case.
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Here is one of many choice little tid-bits from that document I've been browsing..
On or about Jan 28 2010, in an e-mail entitled "activating old countries" a user of a Mega Conspiracy site asked BATATO: "Where can we see full movies?"
BATATO replied " You need to go to our referrer sites. Such as http://www.thepiratecity.org or http://www.ovguide.com. There are the movie and series links.
You cannot find them by searching on MV directly. That would cause us a lot of trouble ;-)
They have afew pages of shit like that.
Read some of that document and tell me if you were a judge reading that, that the intent of DotCom and co isn't plainly obvious.
In conclusion the difference between youtube and MU is... INTENT it's all about fucking INTENT yet you guys refuse to argue that extremely important point you just crap on about other things because you know yourself what the intent of MU was.
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Here is one of many choice little tid-bits from that document I've been browsing..
On or about Jan 28 2010, in an e-mail entitled "activating old countries" a user of a Mega Conspiracy site asked BATATO: "Where can we see full movies?"
BATATO replied " You need to go to our referrer sites. Such as http://www.thepiratecity.org or http://www.ovguide.com. There are the movie and series links.
You cannot find them by searching on MV directly. That would cause us a lot of trouble ;-)
They have afew pages of $#@! like that.
Read some of that document and tell me if you were a judge reading that, that the intent of DotCom and co isn't plainly obvious.
In conclusion the difference between youtube and MU is... INTENT it's all about $#@!ing INTENT yet you guys refuse to argue that extremely important point you just crap on about other things because you know yourself what the intent of MU was.
So in conclusion, copyright violation on MU is bad because the owners willfully profited from it, whereas copyright violation on YouTube etc is ok because the owners don't (appear to) willfully profit from it. Gotcha. Two thumbs up _b _b
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Exactly, see that wasn't too hard to grasp.
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Yup advertising on those pirated youtube videos don't bring in any money.
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intent
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intent
does it make any tangible difference to you, as a user?
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intent
I find your defence of existing copyright law to be intents.
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does it make any tangible difference to you, as a user?
While that's not really the point of the court case at all, I will say yes it does have a huge difference and I have touched on this earlier.
Youtube actively takes down pirated material using automated software to detected copywrited music and footage and also quickly takes down material at the request of copywrite holders.
It also doesn't hide search results for copywritted material to make it harder for stakeholders to find and request take-downs.
These actions combined make youtube a much less favourable place to share and view pirated materials so as a general user I am more inclined not to engage in pirate activity on the site.
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While that's not really the point of the court case at all, I will say yes it does have a huge difference and I have touched on this earlier.
Youtube actively takes down pirated material using automated software to detected copywrited music and footage and also quickly takes down material at the request of copywrite holders.
It also doesn't hide search results for copywritted material to make it harder for stakeholders to find and request take-downs.
These actions combined make youtube a much less favourable place to share and view pirated materials so as a general user I am more inclined not to engage in pirate activity on the site.
But now we're back to the point of distinguishing between wholesale pirating (e.g. full-length blockbuster movies) and seemingly innocuous copyright violation (e.g. small tv clips/music videos etc). It's hypocritical to disdain one when you partake of the other, no? It's just a matter of degrees.
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No we aren't.
It's not even about the user its about the sites running this shit.
What the hell does the hypocrisy of the end user have to do with anything?
The users actions don't define the company running the site, the actions of the companies in response to the users does.
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No we aren't.
Yes we are.
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No we aren't.
It's not even about the user its about the sites running this $#@!.
What the hell does the hypocrisy of the end user have to do with anything?
The users actions don't define the company running the site, the actions of the companies in response to the users does.
well not really - Copyright infringement is copyright infringement...
unless of course you want to concede that some copyright infringement for personal/non profit use isn't a bad thing....
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Thread title is still awesome.
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Title is good, but actual content makes my head hurt.
He was in the wrong, bonafied by him having a personality of a fuckwit.
Case closed.
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well not really - Copyright infringement is copyright infringement...
unless of course you want to concede that some copyright infringement for personal/non profit use isn't a bad thing....
Bunch of fucking dribble, learn to read.
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Bunch of $#@!ing dribble, learn to read.
Thats basically what you have said the whole time, its ok to pirate and have copyrighted material as long as profit isnt intended, like you say Youtube is,
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I still goto cinemas to watch movies and buy Kiwi music, I'm not going to purchase for a second time my earlier collection of music which is all on CD or cassette tapes that aren't able to be ripped to 320 MP3. I would however would still rather pay for something like pandora or Netflix if it was unmetered content. It's becoming a pain in the arse having to download something again just to get a HD version or digital audio file which is compatible with my phone or anything else from the last decade. As a student I can't afford every movie, book, game, application or song that is released, I used to borrow physical copies and give them back but I have to resort to unofficial means to rip content off their device. I can borrow a book from the library, why the hell isn't there a similar paid option for digital versions?! Seems the real dinosaurs are in Hollywood
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Thats basically what you have said the whole time, its ok to pirate and have copyrighted material as long as profit isnt intended, like you say Youtube is,
Shut up, you are embarrassing yourself
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Nobody going to mention the youtube viacom thing?
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Sooner than you think. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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lol, Touche!
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OH GOD WORDS
The price of getting data across our border and/or around this tiny country has stopped the likes of Netflix in their tracks. Literally.
Ninja edit: people have shown time and again that they are happy to pay for media provided the delivery method is efficient and convenient.
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The price of getting data across our border and/or around this tiny country has stopped the likes of Netflix in their tracks. Literally.
That and our thickheaded politicians who are pushing anti-file sharing but have no idea what Netflix is.
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Has anyone had an infringement notice yet? Someone who isn't me even went to the point of renting a seedbox and joining private trackers, but this person has used tpb on many a lazy occasion and heard nothing. Calm before the storm? The persecuted companies that don't live week to week like the majority of people can afford to wait until people get lax to maximise the profit of litigation I suppose.
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Was a big thread about it over on geekzone, last I seen no one on their forums had had a notice. But a few people that worked for various ISP's had handed out notices, for a Rhianna song or something.
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Geekzone is a really poor cross section of the general online community though. They're a really straight laced, starchy crew. Guys in the industry, professionals etc etc. A good community, don't get me wrong, but certainly not a crowd that advocate grey-hat practices.
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for a Rhianna song or something.
That's just embarrasing.
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If you are taking basic precautions, i would be surprised if you got caught. Using publics is however a surefire way to atleast put yourself in the radar.
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Just another reach around this government does for the states.
@DDClin: Even if there was servers in ozie it would increase the speed and lower cost
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(http://i.imgur.com/eKIE2.jpg)
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posted in CIO today
MegaUpload users look into suing US over lost files
By Jared Newman | Friday, January 27 2012Claim the sudden closure of the website is unjustified and completely disproportionate.
Share Tweet inShare0When the U.S. Department of Justice shut down MegaUpload and sued its operators for copyright infringement last week, users who were storing files legally on the site became collateral damage. Now, some of them are looking to sue the government over lost data, TorrentFreak reports.
The counterattack is being led by the Pirates of Catalonia in collaboration with Pirate Parties International - overseas political groups who oppose harsh laws against copyright infringement.
"The widespread damage caused by the sudden closure of Megaupload is unjustified and completely disproportionate to the aim intended," a posting on the Pirates of Catalonia Website says. The group has created a form where users can register their complaints, and plans to "facilitate submission of complaints against the US authorities in as many countries as possible, to ensure a positive and just result."
At the moment, however, it's not clear what legal basis users might have for lawsuits. The only specific statutes the Pirates of Catalonia mention are Articles 197 and 198 in the Spanish Penal Code, which govern the misappropriation of personal data. Other than that, the group only says it is investigating "potential breaches of law."
Furthermore, Megaupload's terms of service stated that users who stored data on the site did so at their own risk, so users may have a tough time arguing that the U.S. government is liable for lost data. (Most online file sharing sites cover themselves in this manner, which is why putting all your eggs in one online basket isn't a great idea.) Filing complaints may be comforting for MegaUpload's former users, but doing so isn't likely to help return what was lost.
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translation: pirates pissed off, can't do anything about it.
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I'm sure ToS absolves Megaupload for loss of data. If another party is directly responsible for that loss there should be some recourse.
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I'm sure ToS absolves Megaupload for loss of data. If another party is directly responsible for that loss there should be some recourse.
Indeed, completely different if the files were damaged due to server errors etc, but when an outside source shuts down all use of the site and your access to files which are 100% legit and intact they should be able to get some compensation.
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Only thing cool about this guy is his surname.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/01/mega-man-the-bizarre-rise-and-sudden-downfall-of-kim-dotcom.ars/1
How does zarkov.com sound?
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You must make Zarkov.com, strap your go pro to your collar and do vlogs.
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([url]http://i.imgur.com/eKIE2.jpg[/url])
I'd much rather pay 15$ a month for movies than take 2 days to torrent or warez a movie on NZ's great international traffic speeds and/or pay for a seed box.
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^ Get a clue.
Seed box: downloaded in 10 seconds.
Direct transfer from seedbox through a single connection at 700kb/s.
Parallel connections, 1.6M/s, done in 10 mins.
???
Enjoy.
Seedbox cost? $15 a month.
You must make Zarkov.com, strap your go pro to your collar and do vlogs.
Actually a very good idea.
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I'd much rather pay 15$ a month for movies than take 2 days to torrent or warez a movie on NZ's great international traffic speeds and/or pay for a seed box.
2 days for a ddl movie.........Guess my 15min downloads are breaking the time space continuum.
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The 2 days thing on torrent is right though.
Most ISPs shape torrent traffic even when they say they dont. But that's moot now due to the latest 3 strikes bs and you shouldn't be using public trackers.
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What are you guys talking about. Someone who isn't me, but lives down the road from me and has precisely comparable speeds can D/L a feature in just over a minute.
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The skynet law is mainly a deterrent. It costs $30 (from memory) for a copyright holder or agent to send out a infringement so that's why fk all have been sent out.
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The skynet law is mainly a deterrent. It costs $30 (from memory) for a copyright holder or agent to send out a infringement so that's why fk all have been sent out.
If it ever fully kicks off, will be a nice earner for the ISP. 100 notices a day @ $25 per notice = $2500. Monkey to process them $20 per hour, 8 hours ($160) - $2320 profit ! x 5 days, x 52 weeks = $603K - time to set up an ISP me thinks, ok l33chers join now.
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It'll be an even better earner once the foolish and/or rebellious repeat offenders have been identified. Then they can start garnishing wages and selling assets without any interference from a pesky "judicial" system.
Ninja Edit: To get three strikes against you though, there would either be foul play afoot, teens/kids doing the offending and dad taking the rap, or slight retardation on the case of the perpetrator.
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You would have to be pretty stupid to get to the point where the ISP has to surrender your details.
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Agreed.
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You would have to be pretty stupid to get to the point where the ISP has to surrender your details.
Never trust Yahoo. Never.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWfUOG0EA9w
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translation: pirates pissed off, can't do anything about it.
I dont get why people think megaupload is the only source for pirates. There are so many places to get pirated stuff, its hard to keep count. The only people who were really effected were the people who actually used megaupload to store data.
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I dont get why people think megaupload is the only source for pirates. There are so many places to get pirated stuff, its hard to keep count. The only people who were really effected were the people who actually used megaupload to store data.
And those people were?
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Pirates.
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And those people were?
Yeah, I bet someone here has a list. Don't be an idiot. Pretty sure I read that a group of users filed a class action lawsuit against the US government over this shit already.
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I heard someone talking about this on National radio today.
Opinion was that only total idiots would store legal stuff at Mega.
It's time limited anyway, apparently.
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2 days for a ddl movie.........Guess my 15min downloads are breaking the time space continuum.
It was hyperbole, depending on where you torrent from or which file sharing site you use for warez, it can take hours to download a whole movie. Speeds only become decent when you pay for a premium account or a seed box but even still not all people have access to reasonable speeds. Streaming movies allows you to start watching a movie almost instantly without having to worry that part 15 is corrupt and that you may need to convert the movie to another format to play it on your preferred device (I'm looking at you iPad and .264). There is also allot more chance for unmetered access to services like Netflix instead of rapid share should Netflix come to NZ.
No point paying for a seed box if there is ever a decent service launched.
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It would help, certainly.
But why pay a standing fee of $15 / month, when I could pirate something (perhaps our ideas of decent speed vary, but in the case of new releases - even without a seedbox, and not even on the most discrete scene trackers, I can still reliably download @ around 500-1000 kb/s most of the time) and have the data forever?
My preferred device is my computer - so compatibility/format has never been an issue for me. Also, in having a newer pc in cases where I have reformatted media it's never been a tiresome or daunting task - quite the opposite.
I'm all in favour of services like Netflix - in that aspect I agree with you OLWAG, but your rationale behind it seems flawed at best.
The reason I would pay $15 a month isn't because the service is more convenient, but rather because it's legal.
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It was hyperbole, depending on where you torrent from or which file sharing site you use for warez, it can take hours to download a whole movie. Speeds only become decent when you pay for a premium account or a seed box but even still not all people have access to reasonable speeds.
You're doing it wrong. I don't pay for any premium accounts or use torrents. My above statement stands and is accurate, 15-20mins complete file downloaded.
If you had a premium account with MU, all your files were stored for life afaik. Free accounts as long as they were being downloaded once over a certain period of time, the files were never erased. Ive had files up for months on a free account.
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You're doing it wrong. I don't pay for any premium accounts or use torrents. My above statement stands and is accurate, 15-20mins complete file downloaded.
If you had a premium account with MU, all your files were stored for life afaik. Free accounts as long as they were being downloaded once over a certain period of time, the files were never erased. Ive had files up for months on a free account.
Life wasn't very long at Mega.
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If i need to get a magazine ad, print worthy, to a printer I would upload to a service such as this. Decent ads are 20 -50 megabytes and I always work right up to a deadline. I've even used megaupload in the past. The printer just D/Ls the link. No post or courier times, instant, free, THE INTERNET!
Also, I pay two buck a month to Imgur to never delete my images. It's a concise aggregate and I know my links won't break. I'd be fucked right off if they got shut down because Fox took offense to their logo being posted (and ridiculed).
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If i need to get a magazine ad, print worthy, to a printer I would upload to a service such as this. Decent ads are 20 -50 megabytes and I always work right up to a deadline. I've even used megaupload in the past. The printer just D/Ls the link. No post or courier times, instant, free, THE INTERNET!
DropBox, my brethren. We use it with our printer. However it's only 2GB (free).
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That's why you get PAID to do that sort of stuff. I was hired to file things neatly.
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Wouldn't it be better to host that sort of thing locally, in order to protect the integrity of the file and ensure it's availability? As well as being faster?
I spose regulating integrity and availability are moot points anyhow in the case of advertisements.
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That's why you get PAID to do that sort of stuff. I was hired to file things neatly.
I no comprende.
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The reason I would pay $15 a month isn't because the service is more convenient, but rather because it's legal.
This.
And I don't believe in Paying for Piracy. It's a rather large oxymoron to me. Never quite got why places like megaupload took off.
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If i need to get a magazine ad, print worthy, to a printer I would upload to a service such as this. Decent ads are 20 -50 megabytes and I always work right up to a deadline. I've even used megaupload in the past. The printer just D/Ls the link. No post or courier times, instant, free, THE INTERNET!
Also, I pay two buck a month to Imgur to never delete my images. It's a concise aggregate and I know my links won't break. I'd be fucked right off if they got shut down because Fox took offense to their logo being posted (and ridiculed).
DropBox, my brethren. We use it with our printer. However it's only 2GB (free).
Box.net
Though we use wetransfer.com
All the ability to upload and store stuff 'in the cloud', but without all the stigma of being a big legally grey thinly veiled pirate perpetuation page like rapidshare, etc.
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It would help, certainly.
But why pay a standing fee of $15 / month, when I could pirate something (perhaps our ideas of decent speed vary, but in the case of new releases - even without a seedbox, and not even on the most discrete scene trackers, I can still reliably download @ around 500-1000 kb/s most of the time) and have the data forever?
My preferred device is my computer - so compatibility/format has never been an issue for me. Also, in having a newer pc in cases where I have reformatted media it's never been a tiresome or daunting task - quite the opposite.
I'm all in favour of services like Netflix - in that aspect I agree with you OLWAG, but your rationale behind it seems flawed at best.
The reason I would pay $15 a month isn't because the service is more convenient, but rather because it's legal.
Netflix was an example, I'm sure a movie download service at a few dollars each would work just as great. Pirating will always win the pricing section but at dirt cheap prices the convience is well worth it. Most people have atleast one other device than their PC, gaming console or a smartphone/tablet. Streaming also won't require you to purchase a new HDD every few months unless you delete the files which isn't anywhere close to forever.
I count a decent speed to be around 2Mbps+ anything less is a waste of the speeds I now have that I had to fight Orcon for almost 2 years.
You're doing it wrong. I don't pay for any premium accounts or use torrents. My above statement stands and is accurate, 15-20mins complete file downloaded.
If you had a premium account with MU, all your files were stored for life afaik. Free accounts as long as they were being downloaded once over a certain period of time, the files were never erased. Ive had files up for months on a free account.
Bullshit, 15-20mins for a 1080 movie without using any torrents or paying for a premium account?
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It's only a couple of gigs, stop having a spaz.
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It's only a couple of gigs, stop having a spaz.
Hes clearly talking about the 1080p DTS rips, duh. Wasn't that clear by the use of the phrase, "movie".
Also places like MU took off, because torrenting (through proper sites) is just too complicated for a lot of people. I heard someone talking at work the other day, about how he doesn't use his 40gb bandwidth anymore, after torrenting got banned because of the new laws, and megaupload went down.
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It's only a couple of gigs, stop having a spaz.
Hes clearly talking about the 1080p DTS rips, duh. Wasn't that clear by the use of the phrase, "movie".
You mean a couple of gigs *4.x?
Quote from warez-bb:
" NAME.................: District 9 <2009>
GENRE................: Action | Drama | Sci-Fi | Thriller
RATiNG...............: 8.4/10 86,909 votes
iMDB.................: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1136608/
ENCODE BY............: jaychu128
RELEASE DATE.........: 2009.11.13
RELEASE SiZE........: 8.74 GB
SOURCE...............: 1080p Blu-ray AVC DTS-HD MA 5.1
RUNTiME..............: 1:52:15
ViDEO CODEC..........: x264_L4.1 @ 9450 Kbps
RESOLUTiON...........: 1920 x 1038
FRAMERATE............: 23.976 fps
AUDiO CODEC..........: English DTS 5.1 @ 1.5 Mbps
COMMENTARY CODEC.....: English Dolby Digital 2.0 @ 192 Kbps
SUBTiTLES............: ENG CHS ENG_CMT .srt"
The .rar files add up to even more with 44.5 parts at 209mb each.
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It could be a generational thing, perhaps older folks who remember dial-up are simply willing to be more patient and expect to stack up a few torrents before bed in order to watch them the following day.
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^ yeah, pretty much.
That and some fuckers don't know the glorious wonders of cable. Or how to shop around for an ISP that isn't slingshit.
Hes clearly talking about the 1080p DTS rips, duh. Wasn't that clear by the use of the phrase, "movie".
Also places like MU took off, because torrenting (through proper sites) is just too complicated for a lot of people. I heard someone talking at work the other day, about how he doesn't use his 40gb bandwidth anymore, after torrenting got banned because of the new laws, and megaupload went down.
Oh, you're talking about super crap quality scene rips. Sorry, didn't realise you liked watching shit.
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Bull$#@!, 15-20mins for a 1080 movie without using any torrents or paying for a premium account?
Who said anything about a 1080 movie? Did you just throw that in now because I told you I can get a movie in 15mins and you can't?
1gb movie > 15mins
4gb movie > 1hr
20gb 1080 movie > 5hours
I never get 1080 movies as I have no issues watching "normal" quality, I have no requirements for HD. 43" TV in the lounge and only a 32" in my room 1gb for a movie is perfectly fine, and if I really feel the need for top quality 4gb is more than enough.
So 2 days, yup you are doing it wrong.
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You mean a couple of gigs *4.x?
Quote from warez-bb:
" NAME.................: District 9 <2009>
GENRE................: Action | Drama | Sci-Fi | Thriller
RATiNG...............: 8.4/10 86,909 votes
iMDB.................: [url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1136608/[/url]
ENCODE BY............: jaychu128
RELEASE DATE.........: 2009.11.13
RELEASE SiZE........: 8.74 GB
SOURCE...............: 1080p Blu-ray AVC DTS-HD MA 5.1
RUNTiME..............: 1:52:15
ViDEO CODEC..........: x264_L4.1 @ 9450 Kbps
RESOLUTiON...........: 1920 x 1038
FRAMERATE............: 23.976 fps
AUDiO CODEC..........: English DTS 5.1 @ 1.5 Mbps
COMMENTARY CODEC.....: English Dolby Digital 2.0 @ 192 Kbps
SUBTiTLES............: ENG CHS ENG_CMT .srt"
The .rar files add up to even more with 44.5 parts at 209mb each.
you think 2Mbps is good, all of your arguments are invalid
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It could be a generational thing, perhaps older folks who remember dial-up are simply willing to be more patient and expect to stack up a few torrents before bed in order to watch them the following day.
Had ADSL1 at dial up speeds for about 3+ years, speeds used to constantly vary between 1-500 Kbps but mostly staying in the 1-10 region. Pirating was almost impossible and would take days for a cam version.
^ yeah, pretty much.
That and some fuckers don't know the glorious wonders of cable. Or how to shop around for an ISP that isn't slingshit.
Oh, you're talking about super crap quality scene rips. Sorry, didn't realise you liked watching shit.
Using Orcon ATM, 17 down and 3 up to the cabniet.
Who said anything about a 1080 movie? Did you just throw that in now because I told you I can get a movie in 15mins and you can't?
1gb movie > 15mins
4gb movie > 1hr
20gb 1080 movie > 5hours
I never get 1080 movies as I have no issues watching "normal" quality, I have no requirements for HD. 43" TV in the lounge and only a 32" in my room 1gb for a movie is perfectly fine, and if I really feel the need for top quality 4gb is more than enough.
So 2 days, yup you are doing it wrong.
1Gb is that a telesync? I'm assuming you have a small data cap and the HD isn't worth it to you? I spent moneyz on a new monitor and speakers for gaming and movies. I would also like to see how you manage to download 1gb in 15 minutes, most file sharing sites cap you to 200mb and make you wait 15 mins to download the next file.
you think 2+(you forgot the plus)Mbps is good, all of your arguments are invalid
For international traffic from Dallas? Name anywhere but a place in Austrailia that gets more than 2-5mbps be it seed box, torrent, file sharing site
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SeedST, french servers. /trollface
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(http://iforce.co.nz/i/sjfwfon0.12p.jpg)
Easy, peasy... and yes, that's to NZ.
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Obselete tech.
I'm not going to waste my precious gigabits uploading for other users.
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Obsolete thinking, your precious, shouldn't be precious. Bandwidth is cheap and is getting cheaper, just have to push your ISP to get shit sorted.
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Obsolete thinking, your precious, shouldn't be precious. Bandwidth is cheap and is getting cheaper, just have to push your ISP to get shit sorted.
I still believe torrenting to be obsolete.
Files are only available if they're popular due to seeding numbers.
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So 2 days, yup you are doing it wrong.
Someone who knew what they were talking about would realise that:
a) torrent speeds depend on the seeders to peer ratio, their upstream rates, and the rate you upload at (more so for large files);
b) therefore, not all torrents will max out your downstream;
c) and therefore, you are talking through your arse;
d) mostly.
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1Gb is that a telesync? I'm assuming you have a small data cap and the HD isn't worth it to you? I spent moneyz on a new monitor and speakers for gaming and movies. I would also like to see how you manage to download 1gb in 15 minutes, most file sharing sites cap you to 200mb and make you wait 15 mins to download the next file.
TS......... If you think only shit quality 1gb movies come in TS you have no idea. Nothing wrong with dvd rip mkv files for quality. Especially if you are only watching them on an avg size tv like a 32". Maybe you should hunt around instead of using shit filesharing sites that limit your download cap and the time before you can download another file. I was going to pm you some places but you seem dead set on trying to prove me wrong and calling me a liar, so can't be bothered.
I have an 80gb cap btw.
Someone who knew what they were talking about would realise that:
a) torrent speeds depend on the seeders to peer ratio, their upstream rates, and the rate you upload at (more so for large files);
b) therefore, not all torrents will max out your downstream;
c) and therefore, you are talking through your arse;
d) mostly.
Nice to see you still don't read posts. I even said I don't use torrents. Dumbass.
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Page 10 - /end thread.
All threads should end on page ten, and be followed up with a feature that creates a poll based on the 5 users that posted the most in the thread - users vote to a decide a victor.
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I vote for bell.
Also, what the fuck 20gb 1080p movies!? The fuck are you guys getting your bullshit from?
Most of my 1080p are better quality than scene rips, and average about 2 - 2.5 Gb. BAD LUCK YOU TERRIBLE PIRATES.
And like the other pyro, I don't even care. I'll watch an old school 700Mb avi file happily (provided it was a dvd rip).
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Most of my 1080p are better quality than scene rips, and average about 2 - 2.5 Gb. BAD LUCK YOU TERRIBLE PIRATES.
lolwut.
2GB 1080p is teh bad son.
4.5GB 720P is the sweet spot for me.
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Most of my 1080p are better quality than scene rips, and average about 2 - 2.5 Gb.
dems some good rips man
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lolwut.
2GB 1080p is teh bad son.
4.5GB 720P is the sweet spot for me.
LoL nope, only if you're a retard at encoding.
I'm a retard at encoding, but I don't encode them.
Jonty knows what I'm talk'n 'bout.
Example:
-- Forum seems to be forcing size limit. Right click -> View Image --
6.55Gb 720p of The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus that I got at xLan.
(http://iforce.co.nz/i/5rqvf1ya.lcd.jpg)
1.92Gb 1080p of Gamer, obtained soon after xLan through sneakernet.
(downsized to fit my tiny screen :<)
(http://iforce.co.nz/i/b41nrbn5.2ih.jpg)
I have a better example of Inception, but the img export skews the image, and windows screengrab is too lossy.
Conclusion: most things people think are good, are generally a waste of storage space. The scene used to be a place for quality. Now it's a fucking joke.
Can fit a whole 360 more p's into a file under a third the size.
Can fit BETTER quality into a file a tenth of the size of one with all the p's.
Why not do it?
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LoL nope, only if you're a retard at encoding.
I'm a retard at encoding, but I don't encode them.
Jonty knows what I'm talk'n 'bout.
Can fit a whole 360 more p's into a file under a third the size.
Can fit BETTER quality into a file a tenth of the size of one with all the p's.
Why not do it?
I hear one keyframe per minute is pretty sweet brah.
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To me, that image of Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus looks worlds better. It's clean, crisp and details show up easily, especially in textiles.
That image of Gamer looks fuzzy, colours bleed into each other and the over all colour seems a little washed. Don't forget the audio would've been HEAVILY compressed as well to fit it inside of 2GB.
4.5GB 720P kthanx.
Also, I'm imagining as soon as you hit a black screen, giant pixels start dancing in that Gamer rip you have there.
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Nice to see you still don't read posts. I even said I don't use torrents. Dumbass.
Yet you proclaim that other people are doing it wrong, and now you admit you have no idea what you are talking about. And you call me a dumbass for correcting you. Derp
And then you neg rep me for pointing it out
Good to see you still don't read posts and just reply to people you have something against. Still an idiot. Will be waiting for your awesome neg back.
boo hoo hurt your feelings huh? roffles - try not to be a douch in future then
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To me, that image of Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus looks worlds better. It's clean, crisp and details show up easily, especially in textiles.
That image of Gamer looks fuzzy, colours bleed into each other and the over all colour seems a little washed. Don't forget the audio would've been HEAVILY compressed as well to fit it inside of 2GB.
4.5GB 720P kthanx.
Also, I'm imagining as soon as you hit a black screen, giant pixels start dancing in that Gamer rip you have there.
Yeah, I didn't really choose the best spot for the Gamer rip.
Audio is fine. As movies have become higher quality, the sound remains basically the same. The screen size has become bigger to accomodate the higher resolution, which adds to the file size. But the movie is still only ~2 hours long. Sound is basically the same, and we now have better codecs.
I can't really prove shit with screenshots. I'd have to give you the movie. BUT THAT WOULD BE PIRACY HOHO
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The prophet Hori was right.
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Yups, I've successfully derailed a thread about legalities into encoder settings.
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ACCEPT ME AS YOUR MAORI MESSIAH
We will feast on paraoa and mussels, and gourds of lion brown.
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gourds of lion brown.
Throw the heretic Hori to the lions.
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Yet you proclaim that other people are doing it wrong, and now you admit you have no idea what you are talking about. And you call me a dumbass for correcting you. Derp
And then you neg rep me for pointing it out
boo hoo hurt your feelings huh? roffles - try not to be a douch in future then
LOL you are a dumbass, I never said using torrents was wrong either, I simply said I don't use torrents. I'm quite happy with ddl and getting files in 15-20mins. Saying hes doing it wrong for getting files in 2 days compared to 15mins or even an hour for 4gb files, yea I think im correct.
Since when did giving neg rep mean someones feelings were hurt.......... Dumbass.
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The amount of times you seem to be spewing 'dumbass' is a testament to your hurt feelings.
I'd imagine.
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The amount of times you seem to be spewing 'dumbass' is a testament to your hurt feelings.
I'd imagine.
Using Dumbass twice means im severely torn up inside, so much im crying. Wouldn't be pointing out the fact he actually is right.
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I just thought it was hilarious that one of the dumber forum members was calling the most intelligent member dumbarse.
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I just thought it was hilarious that one of the dumber forum members was calling the most intelligent member dumbarse.
Bitches don't know about the early days.
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Dumbarse Pyro called Ape dumbarse not me dumbarse dumbarse.
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(http://gyazo.com/89c217780649a39a98ed7cd8df7dc8a0.png?1328320058)
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OH GOD THIS THREAD
(http://i.imgur.com/DKhbV.jpg)
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Back towards topic...
I'm going to carry on pirating. So will you, because we're normal people like everyone else who is upset with shit like this happening. If they take down one site I'll use another. Whatever happens we'll all find a way because that's how the world has changed. It's up to the governement and the large corporations to find a way to allow for the worlds current culture of copying and free usage to flourish without forcing us into "illegal" activites, becuse, fuck, original creators still seem to make a shitload even when their content is used without their permission.
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Haha.
The mysteries of commerce.
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LOL you are a dumbass, I never said using torrents was wrong either, I simply said I don't use torrents. I'm quite happy with ddl and getting files in 15-20mins. Saying hes doing it wrong for getting files in 2 days compared to 15mins or even an hour for 4gb files, yea I think im correct.
Since when did giving neg rep mean someones feelings were hurt.......... Dumbass.
Oh dear, comprehension fail? I said "doing it wrong". So far you have demonstrated all the things you accuse me off. I wonder what personality disorder you have...
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The 2 days thing on torrent is right though.
Most ISPs shape torrent traffic even when they say they dont. But that's moot now due to the latest 3 strikes bs and you shouldn't be using public trackers.
Torrent movies @ 2 MB / sec = win - Thanks telecom for mty epic DSl connection.
Then on my gaming connection - 700kbs max rate still is even rather quick, none of this 2 day stuff heh
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([url]http://iforce.co.nz/i/sjfwfon0.12p.jpg[/url])
Easy, peasy... and yes, that's to NZ.
Would like to see screenshots of those peers
Who said anything about a 1080 movie? Did you just throw that in now because I told you I can get a movie in 15mins and you can't?
1gb movie > 15mins
4gb movie > 1hr
20gb 1080 movie > 5hours
I never get 1080 movies as I have no issues watching "normal" quality, I have no requirements for HD. 43" TV in the lounge and only a 32" in my room 1gb for a movie is perfectly fine, and if I really feel the need for top quality 4gb is more than enough.
So 2 days, yup you are doing it wrong.
Still not sure where you got 2 days from
TS......... If you think only shit quality 1gb movies come in TS you have no idea. Nothing wrong with dvd rip mkv files for quality. Especially if you are only watching them on an avg size tv like a 32". Maybe you should hunt around instead of using shit filesharing sites that limit your download cap and the time before you can download another file. I was going to pm you some places but you seem dead set on trying to prove me wrong and calling me a liar, so can't be bothered.
I have an 80gb cap btw.
Nice to see you still don't read posts. I even said I don't use torrents. Dumbass.
TS or barely any better, 4:3 ratio ugh.
I vote for bell.
Also, what the fuck 20gb 1080p movies!? The fuck are you guys getting your bullshit from?
Most of my 1080p are better quality than scene rips, and average about 2 - 2.5 Gb. BAD LUCK YOU TERRIBLE PIRATES.
And like the other pyro, I don't even care. I'll watch an old school 700Mb avi file happily (provided it was a dvd rip).
10gb is much better, can't tell the slight difference (and 20 would use 2/5 of my cap). Take your preference but for reasons previously stated I would rather download 2 good movies and see 1-3 in cinemas than downloading 20 crappies.
Back towards topic...
I'm going to carry on pirating. So will you, because we're normal people like everyone else who is upset with shit like this happening. If they take down one site I'll use another. Whatever happens we'll all find a way because that's how the world has changed. It's up to the governement and the large corporations to find a way to allow for the worlds current culture of copying and free usage to flourish without forcing us into "illegal" activites, becuse, fuck, original creators still seem to make a shitload even when their content is used without their permission.
My point was this would continue until a decent service comes along, yet this thread came to the torrents vs warez.
Torrent movies @ 2 MB / sec = win - Thanks telecom for mty epic DSl connection.
Then on my gaming connection - 700kbs max rate still is even rather quick, none of this 2 day stuff heh
Fibre to the door + New cable to US will be epic sauce.
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he actually is right.
Wasn't so hard, was it?
Bitches don't know about the early days.
Sure don't. Ape seems to get a rough stick of it these days :<
Still not sure where you got 2 days from
err...
I'd much rather pay 15$ a month for movies than take 2 days to torrent or warez a movie on NZ's great international traffic speeds and/or pay for a seed box.
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10gb is much better, can't tell the slight difference (and 20 would use 2/5 of my cap). Take your preference but for reasons previously stated I would rather download 2 good movies and see 1-3 in cinemas than downloading 20 crappies.
Still 7 gigs too big. I can get 3-4 movies in the space it takes you to get 1. But whatever. If you're happy wasting storage and bandwidth (and spending 2 days to do such), who am I to say it's wrong?
My point was this would continue until a decent service comes along, yet this thread came to the torrents vs warez.
No it won't. It'll continue long after a service as such comes along too. But a service such as that would legitimise this method of distribution... we can't have that. All internet distribution is piracy, and needs to be punished.
Also, torrents vs warez?
How young are you? Because that shit doesn't even make sense.
warez is just an old school slang for pirated data. Torrents are just a method of obtaining such data. They are in no way able to 'vs' each other.
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My point was this would continue until a decent service comes along, yet this thread came to the torrents vs warez.
My point is still the same here. I don't care which. I'll take it where I can find it.
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So, I'm a noob, and I'm not ashamed.
If you don't use TPB, what do you use?
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New Zealand Post.
Seriously, better to spend $200 on an external and send it to folks you know for media than try and download via torrents.
IPoNZPOST
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Nek Minnit - NZ Post and Western Digital in court for supplying warez and movies.
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Wasn't so hard, was it?
Sure don't. Ape seems to get a rough stick of it these days :<
err...
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Still 7 gigs too big. I can get 3-4 movies in the space it takes you to get 1. But whatever. If you're happy wasting storage and bandwidth (and spending 2 days to do such), who am I to say it's wrong?
No it won't. It'll continue long after a service as such comes along too. But a service such as that would legitimise this method of distribution... we can't have that. All internet distribution is piracy, and needs to be punished.
Also, torrents vs warez?
How young are you? Because that shit doesn't even make sense.
warez is just an old school slang for pirated data. Torrents are just a method of obtaining such data. They are in no way able to 'vs' each other.
2 Days was an exaggeration, if I'm downloading 10GB at between 2-5Mbps do you really think it will take me 2 days (50mins is about right)? I was exaggerating the fact that if a service such as Netflix did hit our shores it would probbably be based in Australia or here due to the fact that our local speeds are much better than our international and a deal with the ISPs to sweeten things even further would great for all three involved parties.
So, I'm a noob, and I'm not ashamed.
If you don't use TPB, what do you use?
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Wasn't so hard, was it?
Sure don't. Ape seems to get a rough stick of it these days :<
err...
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Still 7 gigs too big. I can get 3-4 movies in the space it takes you to get 1. But whatever. If you're happy wasting storage and bandwidth (and spending 2 days to do such), who am I to say it's wrong?
No it won't. It'll continue long after a service as such comes along too. But a service such as that would legitimise this method of distribution... we can't have that. All internet distribution is piracy, and needs to be punished.
Also, torrents vs warez?
How young are you? Because that shit doesn't even make sense.
warez is just an old school slang for pirated data. Torrents are just a method of obtaining such data. They are in no way able to 'vs' each other.
2 Days was an exaggeration, if I'm downloading 10GB at between 2-5Mbps do you really think it will take me 2 days (50mins is about right)? I was exaggerating the fact that if a service such as Netflix did hit our shores it would probbably be based in Australia or here due to the fact that our local speeds are much better than our international and a deal with the ISPs to sweeten things even further would great for all three involved parties.
I meant File sharing websites vs Torrents, still getting used to the iPad keyboard and sometimes I mistap
Yes it will, at least back to less than a few percent of the population. Will just take a century for the politics to get it right.
So, I'm a noob, and I'm not ashamed.
If you don't use TPB, what do you use?
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if I'm downloading 10GB at between 2-5Mbps do you really think it will take me 2 days?
Don't get angry at me because you decided to exaggerate.
I meant File sharing websites vs Torrents, still getting used to the iPad keyboard and sometimes I mistap
you miss-spelt 'file sharing website' as 'warez' through a typo? o.0
Yes it will, at least back to less than a few percent of the population. Will just take a century for the politics to get it right.
Righto bro, I'll let you get right on that after you've finished with world peace.
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olwag looking to pick up grim's title for consistently producing increasingly nonsensical posts, as he gets proved wrong.
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I just thought it was hilarious that one of the dumber forum members was calling the most intelligent member dumbarse.
Bitches don't know about the early days.
Royals (http://www.politicsforum.org/images/flame_warriors/flame_19.php)
Whether through virtue, contribution, force of personality or sheer longevity certain forum participants will rise to form an aristocracy. While it is generally taboo to openly acknowledge the class distinctions, the hierarchy is well understood by all. While for the most part the Royals rule with magnanimity, they will not tolerate impertinence from the hoi polloi. It is their habit to remain aloof from petty squabbles among their subjects, but when full-scale war breaks out their intervention can be decisive.
(http://www.politicsforum.org/images/flame_warriors/royals.jpg)
I can forsee this thread making a triumphant return once the Kordia cable and Netflix properly gets to New Zealand.
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Don't get angry at me because you decided to exaggerate.
you miss-spelt 'file sharing website' as 'warez' through a typo? o.0
Righto bro, I'll let you get right on that after you've finished with world peace.
The sentence was supposed to be as follows: "....torrents verses filesharing sites to obtain warez." I keep managing to tap to select, then as I continue typing it deletes the text that is selected. Yes I have searched cydia for a tweak and haven't found one yet.
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olwag looking to pick up grim's title for consistently producing increasingly nonsensical posts, as he gets proved wrong.
Grim's senility verus OLWAGs 15 year old brain.
On one hand Grim has flashes of brilliance, followed by bouts of drunken madness. OLWAGs just hormonal.
No swipe @ OLWAG, I think @ 15 everyone on this forum also knew everything about anything.
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LoL nope, only if you're a retard at encoding.
I'm a retard at encoding, but I don't encode them.
Jonty knows what I'm talk'n 'bout.
Conclusion: most things people think are good, are generally a waste of storage space. The scene used to be a place for quality. Now it's a fucking joke.
Can fit a whole 360 more p's into a file under a third the size.
Can fit BETTER quality into a file a tenth of the size of one with all the p's.
Why not do it?
I find your post amusing. The majority of 2 - 2.5Gb 1080p movies I have sampled have been pixelated to the point of being unwatchable in dark scenes. Plus in regards to the sound, yes it's heavily compressed and very noticeable when running through a decent home theater system....
Also, bitching about scene quality and being a joke now is irrelevant as a lot of the smaller 2Gb 1080's you download/ watch are basically re-encodes of already encoded scene movies, just with special filters and over sharpening to make it look semi decent. Try reading an .nfo file for the source. But hey, if your happy watching a turd thats been over polished and think it's better quality than the source, go right ahead. I'll be happy with my 4.5 - 8GB 720p movies knowing they will look and sound a shit load better than your 2Gb movie...
Those comparison screenshots you posted will never prove anything of any substance either unless you post the same scene from the same movie in both pics, but then that won't help your claims either will it...
Next you'll be telling us a 128kb mp3 is better than a 320 or v0 as it's a smaller size, more compressed but that doesn't matter aye?
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I find your post amusing. The majority of 2 - 2.5Gb 1080p movies I have sampled have been pixelated to the point of being unwatchable in dark scenes. Plus in regards to the sound, yes it's heavily compressed and very noticeable when running through a decent home theater system....
Also, bitching about scene quality and being a joke now is irrelevant as a lot of the smaller 2Gb 1080's you download/ watch are basically re-encodes of already encoded scene movies, just with special filters and over sharpening to make it look semi decent. Try reading an .nfo file for the source. But hey, if your happy watching a turd thats been over polished and think it's better quality than the source, go right ahead. I'll be happy with my 4.5 - 8GB 720p movies knowing they will look and sound a shit load better than your 2Gb movie...
Those comparison screenshots you posted will never prove anything of any substance either unless you post the same scene from the same movie in both pics, but then that won't help your claims either will it...
Next you'll be telling us a 128kb mp3 is better than a 320 or v0 as it's a smaller size, more compressed but that doesn't matter aye?
Hey, thanks for assuming everything about nothing!
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I find your choice in cars amusing. You think your new mini is cool, but it's not. It's heavily enlarged to the point where it's only small, and unparkable in tight spots. Plus it sounds like shit. It's basically just a rehash of the old mini, but if you actually bothered to read the .nfo you'd see that it's made by BMW. GOSH. You can be happy driving your modern polished turd all you want, meanwhile I'll be rolling in my stylish classic.
Next you'll be telling me your girls car can beat a motorcycle off the line, even though the bike has about the same power and 1/10th the weight, but that doesn't matter aye?
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I find your choice in cars amusing. You think your new mini is cool, but it's not. It's heavily enlarged to the point where it's only small, and unparkable in tight spots. Plus it sounds like shit. It's basically just a rehash of the old mini, but if you actually bothered to read the .nfo you'd see that it's made by BMW. GOSH. You can be happy driving your modern polished turd all you want, meanwhile I'll be rolling in my stylish classic.
Next you'll be telling me your girls car can beat a motorcycle off the line, even though the bike has about the same power and 1/10th the weight, but that doesn't matter aye?
Wow, you come across as being really butthurt because someone didn't agree with the crap you posted...
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Nope. Just assuming you drive a BMW mini the same way you assume that after telling everyone that I think scene rips are shit that I watch re-encoded scene rips.
You're a fucking herpderp, and anything you say now has already been invalidated by your previous derpery. BL chump. Forever on the back foot.
You don't know shit about what I watch, how I watch it and where I source it from. The same way I have NFI what kind of car you drive.
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Nope. Just assuming you drive a BMW mini the same way you assume that after telling everyone that I think scene rips are shit that I watch re-encoded scene rips.
You're a fucking herpderp, and anything you say now has already been invalidated by your previous derpery. BL chump. Forever on the back foot.
You don't know shit about what I watch, how I watch it and where I source it from. The same way I have NFI what kind of car you drive.
Yep, you are butt hurt. I'd still like to know how a 2Gb 1080p movie can be better quality than a 4-7Gb movie... But seeing as you know everything I'll leave you to this thread and your musings..
Have a trip down memory lane while you're here. Another comprehension fail
http://www.getsome.co.nz/showthread.php?78714-Whinging-Girls-Corner.&p=1458933&viewfull=1#post1458933 (http://)
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wow the drama continues - good reading +1
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Yep, you are butt hurt. I'd still like to know how a 2Gb 1080p movie can be better quality than a 4-7Gb movie...
I would imagine it is actually possible you know. I'm sure you could intentionally munge the encoding of the 4 - 7GB movie to make it look like crap. Size <> quality
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@DTSnz have you guys served any infringement notices yet?
@Arnifix sorry for delay, no we haven't, as we have not been issued with any applicable notices from rights holders
@DTSnz interesting! does that mean you have been issued with inapplicable/invalid notices and not distributed them? If so, bravo!
@Arnifix essentially we have asked international holders to follow the NZ process under the act and had no response, so no action taken
@DTSnz wow! wonder how much buying all those politicians to implement an ineffective law they won't even use cost them. More than piracy? :P
I love my ISP. Tells big content off and doesn't afraid of anything.
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Yep, you are butt hurt. I'd still like to know how a 2Gb 1080p movie can be better quality than a 4-7Gb movie... But seeing as you know everything I'll leave you to this thread and your musings..
Have a trip down memory lane while you're here. Another comprehension fail
[url]http://www.getsome.co.nz/showthread.php?78714-Whinging-Girls-Corner.&p=1458933&viewfull=1#post1458933[/url] (http://)
Encode it yourself and find out.
Now you sound butthurt about being wrong and trying to evade looking like a retard by shifting focus back on me. S'cool though, every thread needs a few retards. Looks like you an pyro make a good tag team.
Ironically today I saw one of your re-encodes you automatically assumed is what I was talking about.
Looked like absolute shit, like a larger version of the old 700Mb xvid rips of days past.
Size <> quality
I figure you're too butthurt moron to figure out that it's a "not equal to" symbol there Randomized, so I just thought I'd spell it out here for you.
@DTSnz have you guys served any infringement notices yet?
@Arnifix sorry for delay, no we haven't, as we have not been issued with any applicable notices from rights holders
@DTSnz interesting! does that mean you have been issued with inapplicable/invalid notices and not distributed them? If so, bravo!
@Arnifix essentially we have asked international holders to follow the NZ process under the act and had no response, so no action taken
@DTSnz wow! wonder how much buying all those politicians to implement an ineffective law they won't even use cost them. More than piracy? :P
I love my ISP. Tells big content off and doesn't afraid of anything.
Love it.
I mean, what did they really expect?
"Shut off this person's internet and destroy your income source becase we've asked you nicely please."
Of course the answers going to be "Fuckoff we're not give up money until we get legal documentation behind it in accordance with proper proceedure".
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Now you sound butthurt about being wrong and trying to evade looking like a retard by shifting focus back on me. S'cool though, every thread needs a few retards. Looks like you an pyro make a good tag team.
I never thought of you as an idiot, but you leave me no choice. Encoding is an art, a n00b can create a 4 - 7gb file which is shit quality. Believe it.
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(http://i.imgur.com/k8bZh.png)
Edit: I didn't even get to say goodbye. Internet, I thought you'd grow to be the singular community conscience you sometimes read about in hippy books.
You were supposed to bring balance to the race, not destroy it!
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You guys are all being eggs by the way. Take it to AfterDawn.
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...but in saying that, it is generally true that a correctly encoded movie which is larger will be of superior quality to a similarly encoded movie which of lower size. But that should really go without saying. Quality is dependant on the encoder. But really you don't notice things until you get to 20+ gb as then you get proper blue ray frame rates. Scene don't do these.
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This all fantastic.
But, he is just being used as a scapegoat. Don't get me wrong, I have no sympathies.
However, its a joke to think that stopping this one guy, this one site, anything will change.
Be warned, the internet is anther beast. It cannot be stopped. Stopping Dotcom does nothing to stop anything they are trying to do.
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I think the industry actually knows this, they'd have to be stupid no to. Which is preplexing. But, at the end of the day dotcom was profiting and that is not the idea. Media needs to be delivered to those that want it, this is the nature of the beast. If the industry was clever they would just modify the bittorrent delivery to include a charge and then issue out movies themselves. But no... to anal. Where's the trust? Speaks volumes about their own ethics really.
:edit: for instance, if you paid a nominal $2 fee for a movie that would be fine, and then you could earn credits by seeding that you could use to buy other movies. This model would result in profit $$$
:edit edit: Digital downloads are better for the planet too. Why is this not in nz? I see a potential for profit $$$$
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Encode it yourself and find out.
Now you sound butthurt about being wrong and trying to evade looking like a retard by shifting focus back on me. S'cool though, every thread needs a few retards. Looks like you an pyro make a good tag team.
Ironically today I saw one of your re-encodes you automatically assumed is what I was talking about.
Looked like absolute shit, like a larger version of the old 700Mb xvid rips of days past.
I'm far from being butthurt, in fact I'm laughing at every post you make.... I don't need to encode anything, I'm happy with the current quality I watch but I asked you why you think a smaller sized movie is always better than a larger size, yet you can't provide an answer without spewing abuse. Not very good form there chap. However if you feel you'd like to answer why they are better quality without throwing a tanty please feel free.
I bet that encode you saw today looked quite similar to the bad looking quality your gamer screenshot looks like though, at least we agree on something, they do look absolutely shit.
I figure you're too butthurt moron to figure out that it's a "not equal to" symbol there Randomized, so I just thought I'd spell it out here for you.
You should really stop and think before you post, otherwise it does make you look stupid. I think you'll find dirtyape posted the <> symbol. Feel free to go back and reread it again, you even quoted him, and while you're there, try quoting the whole post, not just bits... And oddly enough, I know full well what it means.
But seeing you're such an angry little man, I won't post on this thread to you again. Have fun and hope you lighten up one day
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Nothing fires the loins of interwebs debate better than encoding or compression debates.
Best approach, blatantly post something rediculous then watch the nerds attack.
K.
Smaller files can be better quality than bigger files if they are encoded correctly; BUT
A bigger file has the potential to be better quality because the encoder has more room to include said quality.
And
Jpeg is the best compression for this kind of thing.
**One of these statements is a blatant troll
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I always thought WEBP had the best compression. :P
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I didn't even get to say goodbye. Internet, I thought you'd grow to be the singular community conscience you sometimes read about in hippy books.
that's only what dirty hippies thought
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I'm butthurt, I won't post on this thread again.
It's cool bro. Takes a big man to admit it.
Ps, first result: "not equal operator" (http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/iadthelp/v7r0/topic/com.businessobjects.integration.eclipse.designer.doc/designer/Operators16.html)
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Digital downloads are better for the planet too. Why is this not in nz? I see a potential for profit $$$$
It is, at least for movies and music.
Problem is there's no competition, so the prices aren't ideal.
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The states use oil for their electricity so it isn't much better, at least here we have hydro and wind but even then we have the not in my backyard nubs
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The states use oil for their electricity
Care you provide a % statistic with that?
I find this on wiki?
Electricity - production by source:
- petroleum: 1%
- natural gas: 17%
- coal: 51%
- renewable: 9%
- nuclear: 21% (2008) [5] ([url]http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/aer/pecss_diagram.html[/url])
Hmmmmm...
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Coal / Oil it's all gravy
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+1 all of them release some form of pollution
Renewable 9%, this is the problem I'm talking about.
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+1 all of them release some form of pollution
umm no they don't.
This is a bit out of date, but:
(http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/graphics/electricity2006.gif)
"Hydropower does not pollute the water or the air. However, hydropower facilities can have large environmental impacts by changing the environment and affecting land use, homes, and natural habitats in the dam area.
Most hydroelectric power plants have a dam and a reservoir. These structures may obstruct fish migration and affect their populations. Operating a hydroelectric power plant may also change the water temperature and the river's flow. These changes may harm native plants and animals in the river and on land. Reservoirs may cover people's homes, important natural areas, agricultural land, and archeological sites. So building dams can require relocating people. Methane, a strong greenhouse gas, may also form in some reservoirs and be emitted to the atmosphere."
Unfortunately, the USA isn't currently investing in new catchment & storage areas as it also falls in to the NIMBY area.
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I was referring to the natural gas, coal and petroleum which hori said was all the same gravy ( the quote button is dodgy ), I won't start the nuclear debate but it does produce a waste product ( until we figure what to do with it ). We are lucky as Kiwis that we are using renewable energy to such a high percentage compared to other countries, one day we might to 100%.
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I was referring to the natural gas, coal and petroleum which hori said was all the same gravy ( the quote button is dodgy ), I won't start the nuclear debate but it does produce a waste product ( until we figure what to do with it ). We are lucky as Kiwis that we are using renewable energy to such a high percentage compared to other countries, one day we might to 100%.
One day it will be 50% more like it. We have been reducing the % of renewable energy generated in NZ for quite a while. And its not like the current government is going to make it an issue.
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I was always told it was somewhere around 80-90% the schools are a lie.
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I was always told it was somewhere around 80-90% the schools are a lie.
and haven't done their job teaching you to read
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When I get a house, i'm going to put solar panels on the roof.
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Police court order Dotwrong
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10792862
Internet tycoon Kim Dotcom's cash, cars and property were seized using a court order which should never have been granted.
A judgment from Justice Judith Potter on Friday declared the restraining order "null and void" and having "no legal effect".
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Police court order Dotwrong
[url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10792862[/url]
Whats this?
NZ justice system too busy sucking the American Corporate Cock to bother checking that what they are doing is legal in the first place?!?!
My My!
This IS a surprise
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FUCKING LOOOOOLCAKE!
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I thought the whole thing seemed pretty dodgy. Turns out it actually was. Good work NZ.
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Whats this? NZ justice system too busy sucking the American Corporate Cock to bother checking that what they are doing is legal in the first place?!?!
My My! This IS a surprise
Did you actually read the entire article or just the head liner?
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Is it just me or do all these direct download hosts suck balls these days? I cancelled my Fileserve account because every single link which I've found for the past month have been taken down.
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Is it just me or do all these direct download hosts suck balls these days? I cancelled my Fileserve account because every single link which I've found for the past month have been taken down.
I heard a few sites shut down because they didn't want to be the next dotcom <- Not trying to make a joke ofc
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Torrents are peaking yo.
What you want, when you want, as fast as you want.
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Torrents are peaking yo.
What you want, when you want, as fast as you want.
Asking what is going to be an age old question, Anyone got a notice?
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Never.
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lol torrents.
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Asking what is going to be an age old question, Anyone got a notice?
Some guy in Auckland? For some pop songs?
No one here.
Feels like scaremongering.
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Feels like a false sense of security. The big boys play the long game. They make moves their grandsons can capitalise on.
Fuck you squiggly red line, I'll spell capitalise with an s if I want.
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Did torrent ever stop being the best? I mean direct downloads just catered for the lazy, but they never had anything on what torrents offered (namely the being free).
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direct downloads can be free
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Did torrent ever stop being the best? I mean direct downloads just catered for the lazy, but they never had anything on what torrents offered (namely the being free).
Torrents stopped being the best when ISPs shaped torrent traffic then blatantly lied about doing so. Also, fuck sacrificing my cap so others can download it, not in a country where caps still reign supreme.
Usenet for me ever since 5loth showed me the way.
However NZBMatrix seems to be pretty shit these days.
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can always use mirc for downloading pretty much anything takes a bit to setup but easy as after that
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https://www.seed.st/
$2.50 per week on the lowest plan, rapes NZ speeds and no cap. Then you FTP what you need, no U/L. And since it happens offshore you essentially dodge the retarded piracy legislation. 95% of direct downloads make you feel like you're going to catch the computer clap.
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Usenet for me
QFT
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They tried to charge me $15 p/mo. If I'm paying that much I expect to see the porn first. There is no excuse for boring porn.:suspicion:
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Torrents stopped being the best when ISPs shaped torrent traffic then blatantly lied about doing so. Also, fuck sacrificing my cap so others can download it, not in a country where caps still reign supreme.
Usenet for me ever since 5loth showed me the way.
However NZBMatrix seems to be pretty shit these days.
I believe usenet costs money. But its a legitimate choice compared to direct download sites. Also torrent traffic shaping? Never experienced it myself. Maybe its not a TCL thing.
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only shitty isps shape torrent traffic
btw, if you torrent on your home connection, you are a fool. Seed box and private sites ftw
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Torrents are peaking yo.
What you want, when you want, as fast as you want.
Did torrent ever stop being the best? I mean direct downloads just catered for the lazy, but they never had anything on what torrents offered (namely the being free).
Im happy with my free direct downloads, can get what I want, when I want it and maxing out my connection without wasting my cap uploading.
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Im happy with my free direct downloads, can get what I want, when I want it and maxing out my connection without wasting my cap uploading.
Best I get on a direct download is like 300kb? Thats a generous guess, What the hell are you doing to max out your connection o-o
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Just have to find the right file hosts. Jumbofiles, mediafire, bayfiles all get 1mb-1.3mb/s for me. The more well known hosts have pretty much shat on free users, rapidshare restricting downloads to 30Kb/s fileserve isn't as bad but still shit, so most of the major uploaders on the site I get links from have changed hosts.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]7123[/ATTACH]
*edit* Screenshot attached downloading from Jumbo @ 1mb, no wait interval for multiple downloads and no captcha.
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Torrents are peaking yo.
What you want, when you want, as fast as you want.
pr0tip:
The illegal part is the sharing, not so much the getting*.
Which torrents enforce you to do.
*though it could be argued that getting is making a copy (which breaks copyright), really it's the sharing that is the part that 'hurts' the industry.
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Well it's all illegal really but it's the sharing that is considered distribution and that is what will get your details released to the "copyright holder".
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Well it's all illegal really
Yeh, hence note on the bottom :P
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I never read fine print :-P
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Studios lobbying to lower cost of infringement notices.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/6615426/Studios-want-cut-to-three-strikes-law-fees
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Calls for the fees to be lowered or done away with completely? Who then pays the ISP for having to manage the sending out of the infringement notices? No one? Oh, guess they don't get sent out then...
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10800409
The criminal charges against Kim Dotcom in the United States may never get to trial, the judge overseeing the case has told the FBI.
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Makes us just look like the worlds stupidest lapdog.
Go Kim!
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Wow.
That makes our law enforcement look hugely incompetent.
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Wow.
That makes our law enforcement look hugely incompetent.
what do you mean 'look' Incompetent?
The only reason it 'looks' incompetent is because it IS incompetent....
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Because NZ law enforcement isn't always incompetent. I didn't want to say "this shows our police force to BE incompetent". Because on a whole, they're not. I assume this was due to some desk dick who made a bad call, not the enforcement as a collective, which is why this makes them LOOK incompetent.
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It was a joint operation with the fbi wasn't it? Something was bound to get fucked up
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Our government giving reach arounds to the american government, again and it gets us here.
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Extradition treaty and co operation can be very beneficial between countries in some cases but each case must be examined on its merits ,not just a lay down mazier as the authorities seemed to think this one was.
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https://www.seed.st/
$2.50 per week on the lowest plan, rapes NZ speeds and no cap. Then you FTP what you need, no U/L. And since it happens offshore you essentially dodge the retarded piracy legislation. 95% of direct downloads make you feel like you're going to catch the computer clap.
saw this post a couple days ago and decided to have a look
its AWESOME, recommend to everyone !
cheers Clin
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Because NZ law enforcement isn't always incompetent. I didn't want to say "this shows our police force to BE incompetent". Because on a whole, they're not. I assume this was due to some desk dick who made a bad call, not the enforcement as a collective, which is why this makes them LOOK incompetent.
let me Clarify my statement:
It is the Desk Dicks that make the bad calls which make the Law Enforcement incompetent....
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Had a chat with an IT friend on Tuesday night.
He refuses to pay for any downloading service, not because he's some gypsy who wont pay for anything, but because the instant you use your credit card, your name is on their list as a paying customer.
With talks of going after those who used MU's services, it holds some weight.
EDIT: @ TDL. Yeah, you do that - seems to be your MO.
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He refuses to pay for any downloading service, not because he's some gypsy who wont pay for anything, but because the instant you use your credit card, your name is on their list as a paying customer.
yet there are some very easy ways to get around this problem....
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One of which is to use a prezzy card, yeah, I know. It was just an angle I had never taken into account.
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That never occurred to you?
Just like downloading anything from their servers. IP is on access logs. Like it or not. No two ways about it.
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That never occurred to you?
Just like downloading anything from their servers. IP is on access logs. Like it or not. No two ways about it.
No, it didn't ever occur to me.
I guess I had a little bit of faith in my government that they would show some backbone when some offshore power-squad came knocking.
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16642369[/url]
Didn't realize the founder Kim Dotcom, formerly known as Kim Schmitz was actually living here in NZ and was the one who purchased the old Crisco mansion(largest house in nz).
Site was shutdown earlier today and his house was raided by police seizing evidence. Kim Dotcom reportedly made $52million in 2010 from his file sharing sites alone.
Surprised nothing was posted about this already.
*Edit Title was meant to say shutdown, must of been a typo.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6833411/Banks-Dotcom-call-to-Williamson-made-as-a-citizen
John Banks has admitted calling Land Information Minister Maurice Williamson to lobby for internet tycoon Kim Dotcom, but says he didn't do anything wrong.
I am pretty sure that anything John Banks supports is bad.
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Stupidest way ever a politician has side stepped a question
http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Hes-a-married-man---John-Banks/tabid/721/articleID/27687/Default.aspx
Fuck Banks is a cock.How stupid does he think people are?
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Stupidest way ever a politician has side stepped a question
[url]http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Hes-a-married-man---John-Banks/tabid/721/articleID/27687/Default.aspx[/url]
Fuck Banks is a cock.How stupid does he think people are?
He thinks everyone is as stupid as he is.
I wouldn't care if Dotcom is a married man, he's rich.
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I don't care too much about Dotcom but this made me lol, well played sir.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CvRSZxqk_I&feature=player_embedded
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I am surprised at the amount of internets that link to Megaupload.
(http://www.megaupload.com/banner.jpg)
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I am surprised at the amount of internets that link to Megaupload.
([url]http://www.megaupload.com/banner.jpg[/url])
Needs more Eagles IMO
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US District court.
NOT IN A US DISTRICT.
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US District court.
NOT IN A US DISTRICT.
Where is it then?
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OUCH:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7188234/Dotcom-search-warrants-ruled-illegal
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Anyone else starting to think that Kimdotcom is going to end up some sort of modern foke hero sticking it to the big bad USA, personally I hoping the NZ Justice system works in his case and tells the USA/DOJ to go take a flying leap.
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I feel real sorry for him, the more I see of him on the news etc the more I like him.
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It's not a case of right vs wrong, it's a case of money vs money.
Fortunately for citizens everywhere, this time the RIAA has picked off someone with just about as much money as them. BL2UFAGSLOL.
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It's not a case of right vs wrong, it's a case of money vs money.
Yep, pretty much the case here. What he was doing was definitely questionable, but hes got the money to not get pushed around by the heavy handed RIAA tactics.
"LOL YOU PIRATED 5 SONGS, YOU OWE US 200k"
"DONT CARE YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO PAY THAT, SEE YOU IN COURT"
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Yeah, he actually seems like a proper douchebag, but this is just getting worse and worse for the US.
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I will refer to my previous statement (in regards to the illegal warrants):
Lol NZ justice system....
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I feel real sorry for him, the more I see of him on the news etc the more I like him.
I'm sorry that I haven't been to his parties.
I hope he rethinks his musical aspirations.
How did he impregnate his wife, she is the size of his calf .
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How did he impregnate his wife, she is the size of his calf .
Artist have already created an impression on how that would look
(http://www.factzoo.com/sites/all/img/mammals/seals/elephant-seal-pups.jpg)
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It's also what inspired the name for his website
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Demonoid got taken down...
..waaahhhh
and no, i'm not talking just about the ddos attack (Although both were done by Ukraine government)
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Yeah guts, hard to 720p adventure time nowadays
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Demonoid got taken down...
..waaahhhh
and no, i'm not talking just about the ddos attack (Although both were done by Ukraine government)
Huh? Last article I read said it was an attack and itll be back asap, just it a one man show...
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Huh? Last article I read said it was an attack and itll be back asap, just it a one man show...
Originally taken down by DDOS - the owner said he'd get it up in a month after an overhaul of some old hardware.
Looks like the authorities have moved in since then though.
http://www.care2.com/causes/file-sharing-site-demonoid-shut-down-by-ukrainian-officials.html
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Ukranian officals love shutting shit down, like the S.T.A.L.K.E.R dev studio.
So, so, so corrupt.
But they also have the nude version of candid camera, lol.
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http://www.3news.co.nz/Dotcom-signals-sea-cable-venture/tabid/412/articleID/275341/Default.aspx
He's picking up the fibre cable plan that was dropped recently. $400million project.
I heard from my friend tonight (don't expect 100% facts)
He's going to make fibre free for isp's so that it will only cost 1/3rd of what it should be.
And..
He's going to sue USA for improper warrants or w/e, and use the money from that to put the cable in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuHezFweJ40&t=23s
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The guy's off his rocker.
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And that's what makes him awesome.
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You don't expect any of this to happen, do you?
It's awesome to imagine it being put into plan but.... all I see happening is the US getting angrier and forcing NZ to give him up.
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You don't expect any of this to happen, do you?
Shit no, of course not.
But as you say, awesome to imagine.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVdudXoSOqI&feature=fvwp&NR=1
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If that's her breast milk, bitch needs a check-up. Unless she gave birth a week before making that video.
Also, body builders will drink breast milk because of it's super high protein.
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I've heard of body builders drinking their own semen because it has testosterone in it. I'm pretty sure your digestive system processes it as waste so they get no benefit, but it's still funny.
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[video=youtube;fVdudXoSOqI]&feature=fvwp&NR=1
Good god what.
I wouldn´t take you for an idiot if you drink your own breastmilk. I drank my own semen. You only live once, or twice maybe. People are such pussies!
Extra what.
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What are you people still doing here, I won this thread a year ago.
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What are you people still doing here, I won this thread a year ago.
To save me reading it all, what was the conclusion bell?
also, BGE sometime?
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Has anyone used anonfiles.com?
https://anonfiles.com
It has some interesting files on it
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Still losing my shit at the thread title.
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Has anyone used anonfiles.com?
https://anonfiles.com
It has some interesting files on it
I don't understand how you find files.
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Needs more porn.
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I don't understand how you find files.
click "public archive".
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Oh that's a link.
GG derpy User Interface designer, you sly dog you.
"Stuxnet is a Microsoft Windows computer worm disco" - lol.
Archive is like playing file roulette.
Downloaded first result for shits and giggles. Got shemale porn. Don't think I'll play download roulette again :<
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Stupidest way ever a politician has side stepped a question
[url]http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Hes-a-married-man---John-Banks/tabid/721/articleID/27687/Default.aspx[/url] ([url]http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Hes-a-married-man---John-Banks/tabid/721/articleID/27687/Default.aspx[/url])
Fuck Banks is a cock.How stupid does he think people are?
Very stupid
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/kim-dotcom-hits-police-after-john-banks-found-guilty-5992062 (http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/kim-dotcom-hits-police-after-john-banks-found-guilty-5992062)
Kim Dotcom has hit out at police after John Banks was today found guilty of knowingly filing a false electoral return after his failed Auckland mayoral campaign in 2010.
Act MP Banks stood in the dock in the High Court in Auckland today as the guilty verdict was read out.
Banks had been on trial in the High Court in Auckland over two $25,000 cheques from Mr Dotcom and another cheque from SkyCity, which the Crown alleged Banks falsely recorded as anonymous.
Minutes after the verdict was announced, Dotcom, who gave evidence during the trial along with his estranged wife Mona, tweeted "shame" on the police for not charging Banks.
"Shame on the New Zealand Police for not charging John Banks or the GCSB and its spies for their criminal conduct. #JohnBanksGuilty".
Banks went on trial following a private prosecution brought by retired Wellington accountant Graham McCready. Police had previously investigated but decided in 2012 not to prosecute.
Banks faces a jail sentence of up to two years or a $10,000 fine. He will return to court for sentencing on August 1.
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When is the appeal ?
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Lol dot com has no idea about our country and how we work.
Banks on the other hand. Just has no idea.
Ya cant pull the wool and think its ok. Especially if you are working for your country. He will pay the fine and get a slap on the hand. Ans still be allowed in parliament. Bs!!
Back to dot com. He lives in a warpped fantasy land. If people vote for this internetmana.com party. They dont understand what dot com really has planned. We all know he wants to change laws so he can get off his problem in the u.s. it just doesn't work that way. Who cares if hes got money.
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Back to dot com. He lives in a warpped fantasy land. If people vote for this internetmana.com party. They dont understand what dot com really has planned. We all know he wants to change laws so he can get off his problem in the u.s. it just doesn't work that way. Who cares if hes got money.
I agree. John Key only has a measly $50 million dollars and he has managed to change a whole slew of laws. Who does this Dot Com guy think he is with all his millions?
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A rich so called (xbox) gamer, that loves attention.
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A rich so called (xbox) gamer, that loves attention.
Versus The Smiling Assassin (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10668580)
That would make a good video game
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You know that would make a great episode of the online gamer. Lol
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A rich so called (xbox) peasant, that loves attention.
FTFY
PC MASTER RACE
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Hahaha peasant
Did you guys know he calls himself a kiwi?
How does that work...
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Dotcom is a much better liar then Banks.
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Banks believes in creationism.. That reason alone should be proof he's a deluded madman.
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Dotcom is a much better liar then Banks.
But Banks is so very honest!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11269026 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11269026)
Amid calls for John Banks to resign from Parliament after being found guilty of electoral fraud, Prime Minister John Key says the Act MP who he continues to back as "an honest man" still has "options".
Despite being found guilty of knowingly filing a false campaign finance return during his 2010 Auckland mayoralty campaign, Mr Banks has the option of remaining an MP at least until August 1 when the High Court will deal with the issue of a conviction which would see him ejected from Parliament automatically.
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Haha Sony you lying sack of shit
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20141224/06321429517/sony-hack-reveals-that-mpaas-big-80-million-settlement-with-hotfile-was-lie.shtml (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20141224/06321429517/sony-hack-reveals-that-mpaas-big-80-million-settlement-with-hotfile-was-lie.shtml)
Sony Hack Reveals That MPAA's Big '$80 Million' Settlement With Hotfile Was A Lie
from the of-course-it-was dept
For years, we've pointed out that the giant "settlements" that the MPAA likes to announce with companies it declares illegal are little more than Hollywood-style fabrications. Cases are closed with big press releases throwing around huge settlement numbers, knowing full well that the sites in question don't have anywhere near that kind of money available. At the end of 2013, it got two of these, with IsoHunt agreeing to 'pay' $110 million and Hotfile agreeing to 'pay' $80 million. In both cases, we noted that there was no chance that those sums would ever get paid. And now, thanks to the Sony hack, we at least know the details of the Hotfile settlement. TorrentFreak has been combing through the emails and found that the Hotfile settlement was really just for $4 million, and the $80 million was just a bogus number agreed to for the sake of a press release that the MPAA could use to intimidate others.
“The studios and Hotfile have reached agreement on settlement, a week before trial was to start. Hotfile has agreed to pay us $4 million, and has entered into a stipulation to have an $80 million judgment entered and the website shut down,” the email from Sony’s SVP Legal reads.
Considering the time and effort that went into the case, it would be no surprise if the movie studios actually lost money on the lawsuit.
The good news for the MPAA is that the money was paid in full. There were some doubts if Hotfile would indeed pay up, but during the first weeks of December last year the $4 million was sent in three separate payments.
Of course, all of this is just for show. You can safely assume that none of the much lower $4 million went back to any content creators. Instead, it's likely it got plowed back into the MPAA's vast "anti-piracy" machine, allowing it to be used for other lawsuits and funding investigations by state Attorneys General.
Still, is it any surprise that the industry famous both for its fictional "Hollywood Endings" and "Hollywood Accounting" where a hit movie like one of the Harry Potter films can bring in nearly a billion dollars, but still have a "loss" for accounting purposes, would create a made-up scenario in which everyone pretends many tens of millions of dollars are paid due to "infringement"?
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Relevant to the thread title
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11379545 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11379545)
Reading the bit on hacker speak made me file my front two teeth off.
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Relevant to the thread title
[url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11379545[/url] ([url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11379545[/url])
Reading the bit on hacker speak made me file my front two teeth off.
Trying to read mainstream media for relevant information is like trying to save the environment by only eating out of the trash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeganism#Relationship_to_environmentalism)
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Is this really New Zealand still? Handing over passwords?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11388728 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11388728)
Third degree for guests of Dotcom trying to enter New Zealand
"Whenever I have visitors who are truthful about where they are staying, it is always the same. They are harassing these people. It shines a really bad light on New Zealand."
Ms Torrent said she told border officials she was planning on staying at Dotcom's and was instantly led away to be questioned.
She said questions included the nature of her relationship with Dotcom, whether she knew why he was not perceived in a positive light and what the pair had talked about.
She was also told to surrender passwords to her laptop and phone for curious border agents.
Ms Torrent claimed she was warned that refusal to hand over the passwords voluntarily meant she would lose her equipment and it would be breached anyway.
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Lol torrent and dot com.
Sounds very phishy
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Fair enough.
He's pretty dodgy. Makes sense they would want to question why people are visiting him.
And her last name is Torrent.
It's almost as silly as calling yourself Dotcom.
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Nah that's crap as. And probably a breach of privacy act or something, surely.
There's no criminal investigation that I know of, so there can't be any justification for that kinda carry on, surely.
Bullshit.
surely.
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/66829568/paypal-stops-processing-payments-to-kim-dotcoms-mega (http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/66829568/paypal-stops-processing-payments-to-kim-dotcoms-mega)
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[url]http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/66829568/paypal-stops-processing-payments-to-kim-dotcoms-mega[/url] ([url]http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/66829568/paypal-stops-processing-payments-to-kim-dotcoms-mega[/url])
Haha, better sell those share.
Nah that's crap as. And probably a breach of privacy act or something, surely.
There's no criminal investigation that I know of, so there can't be any justification for that kinda carry on, surely.
Bullshit.
surely.
I am bullshit, and don't call me Shirley.
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Just my bi-monthly post proclaiming that Megaupload shitdown is still GetSome's best ever thread title.
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I lol every time.
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It sounds Like a sitcom
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Dotcom is a much better liar then Banks.
But Banks is so very honest!
[url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11269026[/url] ([url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11269026[/url])
Amid calls for John Banks to resign from Parliament after being found guilty of electoral fraud, Prime Minister John Key says the Act MP who he continues to back as "an honest man" still has "options".
Despite being found guilty of knowingly filing a false campaign finance return during his 2010 Auckland mayoralty campaign, Mr Banks has the option of remaining an MP at least until August 1 when the High Court will deal with the issue of a conviction which would see him ejected from Parliament automatically.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11451091 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11451091)
The case against John Banks has been thrown out and he will not face a second trial for allegedly filing a false electoral return.
The Court of Appeal has sensationally reversed its previous decision to order a retrial following the late disclosure of a document, which Mr Banks' lawyer David Jones QC said "contradicts all evidence given at trial" by the Dotcom witnesses and made the prosecution "untenable"
So John Banks was honest all along and Dotcom turned out to be the big liar.
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Just my bi-monthly post proclaiming that Megaupload shitdown is still GetSome's best ever thread title.
Should somebody check on RI? He hasn't updated this thread for months, he might be dead.
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(http://iforce.co.nz/i/gycblsai.efj.jpg)
Everybody look to their left.
(http://iforce.co.nz/i/as0qwyym.qa3.jpg)
Everybody look to their right.
(http://iforce.co.nz/i/4yw0nw0t.vsa.jpg)
It's all about the money, money, money
He needs your money, money, money
He just wanna make the world dance
He forgot about the price tag
All about the cha-ching, cha-ching
All about the b-bling, b-bling
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Kim Dotcom has a new 21 year old girl friend.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11583435 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11583435)
Dotcom described his new flame as intelligent.
"She is much smarter than me and I love that about her," he said.
Yes, she is smart all right.
She must be in it for his good looks and physique.
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Hahaha - fuck this thread title man.
It's still got it.
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Don't be fucking silly, shes just a social climbing rootbag... refer - https://www.facebook.com/elizabethdonnellyx (https://www.facebook.com/elizabethdonnellyx)
(http://iforce.co.nz/i/dspbujhx.w23.jpg)
(http://iforce.co.nz/i/sdljdyaq.0ou.jpg)
(http://iforce.co.nz/i/qhxgzul2.tyl.jpg)
Nice tits tho.
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Those are some great tits.
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On a scale of one to Lias, they are most definitely Lias.
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Those _are_ some nice tits.
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You just know she's going to be fucking around on him.
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Maybe she really likes matured big german wurst?
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You just know she's going to be fucking around on him.
Maybe he is into that....
And yes +1 Tits.
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Tits or GTFO..... oh wait.....
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And just like the Aussie cricketers, she's out....
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Dotcom can drag out a court case for years on end.
But when it comes to relationships, he gets in and out of there pretty fast.
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BADUM, PSH!
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Dotcom can drag out a court case for years on end.
Imperial scum.
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Relephant:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVodxAdQCUQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVodxAdQCUQ)[/youtube]