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Title: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on September 01, 2014, 07:38:14 am
Because there isn't one yet.
Title: ALCP
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 01, 2014, 07:42:40 am
I find it odd that the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party are standing in this election. Internet Mana have already stated that drug reform was one of their policies. ALCP are looking a bit dated and backwards by comparison

http://www.alcp.org.nz/ (http://www.alcp.org.nz/)
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ALCP Policy

MOTTO:

Truth, Freedom, Justice.

MISSION STATEMENT:

The Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party exists to legalise cannabis for recreational, spiritual, medicinal and industrial purposes; to empower people to work together for peace and true justice; and to institute a proper and just balance between the power of the state and the rights and dignity of the individual. We believe adults have the right to freedom of choice unless that choice harms other people or the planet.

edit: I wonder if this image link will work
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Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on September 01, 2014, 09:27:10 am
I accidently the wrong forum.

Can someone move this from Archives to the proper place. Many Thanks.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: toofast on September 01, 2014, 11:13:38 am
I am still unsure who to vote for. Internet-mana seem the obvious vote because of how unappealing the other parties are. Yet it seems safer to put my vote into the labour-green corner, to stop national.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on September 01, 2014, 11:58:52 am
I am still unsure who to vote for. Internet-mana seem the obvious vote because of how unappealing the other parties are. Yet it seems safer to put my vote into the labour-green corner, to stop national.

The clear answer is the Conservative Party


They stand for something...

Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Speakman on September 01, 2014, 04:15:55 pm
I'm 50/50 at the moment as to whether I take it serious or not.

If enough of us vote Conservative and get them in, I'm sure it will provide us enough entertainment over 3 years to be worth it
Title: Judith Collins wont resign
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 11, 2014, 08:21:24 am
http://tvnz.co.nz/vote-2014-news/shouting-match-erupts-judith-collins-makes-election-pitch-6077722 (http://tvnz.co.nz/vote-2014-news/shouting-match-erupts-judith-collins-makes-election-pitch-6077722)
Considering Judith Collins won the electorate by 9,890 last election, I doubt if she will fail to win this election too.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Arseynimz on September 11, 2014, 11:33:30 am
Moved.

I'm completely undecided and unexcited by the result of this election. I feel that National will get in anyway, so then I question where I should put my vote given I don't wholly agree with how they're running the country, but do I agree with the way others might run it in lieu of them doing it...
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on September 11, 2014, 11:47:12 am
The Civilian Party
http://thecivilianparty.org.nz/ (http://thecivilianparty.org.nz/)

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The Civilian Party is a party for most New Zealanders.

We believe in ordinary, hard-working kiwis. We also believe in people, but not extraordinary people. Extraordinary people make us feel anxious and bad about ourselves.

We believe that New Zealand is the greatest country in Australasia, with the possible exception of Australia.

New Zealand is a place where dreams come true, particularly if those dreams are about drinking heavily.

New Zealand has a long record of great accomplishments. We’ve done so many things we can be proud of. We climbed a big mountain. We said no to new forms of energy because we were scared. We got bombed by France. We had a nationwide argument about whether to actively oppose segregation or watch a game of rugby. We gave women the vote. We went to war and lost a significant portion of our population. We crashed a plane in Antarctica. We had a Prime Minister who called an election while drunk.


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A Civilian Government will:

Declare New Zealand’s independence from Hamilton.

Establish a space program, and become the first nation in Australasia to send a man to the moon; not to explore it, just someone we don’t like.

Reform the tax system so that it rewards success and punishes failure. Ensure that the bulk of taxes are aimed at the greatest source of poverty in New Zealand: the poor.

Close the pay gap between men and women by working to reduce men’s wages.

Alleviate poverty amongst children by giving every poverty-stricken child a llama as a means to a basic income.

End discrimination against social majorities. No more special services just for Maori; no more car parks just for disabled people; no more hip operations just for people who need hip operations.

Make Wellington airport safer by moving it to Christchurch.

Reform the Justice system so that every citizen is required to prove why they shouldn’t be in prison.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: The Demon Lord on September 11, 2014, 12:16:00 pm
I shall form my own party:

The politicians Party - We will be honest about when we are lieing to you
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Bounty Hunter on September 11, 2014, 02:53:39 pm
Where is greens first home buyers/housing policy? Not renters, not solar panels on the roof.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: The Demon Lord on September 11, 2014, 04:07:04 pm
Where is greens first home buyers/housing policy? Not renters, not solar panels on the roof.

housing isn't eco friendly....
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on September 11, 2014, 05:46:40 pm
Where is greens first home buyers/housing policy? Not renters, not solar panels on the roof.

housing isn't eco friendly....

Everyone will live in tents.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Bounty Hunter on September 11, 2014, 06:31:48 pm
Labours policy on housing is shit.
Title: Bloody Internet-Mana
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on September 12, 2014, 12:10:33 pm
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Internet-Mana has outlined its policy to provide free university education for all students and help those struggling with student debt.


http://tvnz.co.nz/vote-2014-news/free-university-places-more-important-than-tax-cuts-internet-mana-6078848 (http://tvnz.co.nz/vote-2014-news/free-university-places-more-important-than-tax-cuts-internet-mana-6078848)

Not one student is struggling with student debt, how can someone struggle with a loan which is interest free? It's ridiculous.

I've got quite a big student loan and it has had zero financial impact on me. In fact I've just bought a house.


Interest free student loans makes New Zealand a great place to study, and removes the financial barrier.


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The party says the current amount of student debt is $14.232 billion, and 15% of students are living in "absolute financial distress".


Total bullshit.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on September 12, 2014, 12:57:20 pm
Student loans shouldn't even be a thing.

Education at all levels should be either free or heavily subsidised. Education should not be a profitable market.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Craigor on September 12, 2014, 01:01:09 pm
Humans are great at raping their future for the now.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on September 12, 2014, 01:01:31 pm
Student loans shouldn't even be a thing.

Education at all levels should be either free or heavily subsidised. Education should not be a profitable market.

No, I disagree with you.

Student loans are fine the way they are. It's user pays system. You get given the money while studying, then pay it back afterwards while you are working. And due to the fact you are earning more as a result of your education, you can easily afford to.

You get more money as the result of your education, the economy benefits from your work, the government gets more in taxes plus gets the loan repaid. Everybody wins.

University education is already heavily subsidised.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: The Demon Lord on September 12, 2014, 02:45:36 pm
I personally see both sides - IMHO tertiary education should be free so long as the person who takes it gets a job in the field for which they studied - if not, then they have to pay it back
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Lias on September 12, 2014, 03:01:28 pm
I'm down for free tertiary for citizens if they agree to be bonded to NZ for a suitable time period.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on September 12, 2014, 03:06:35 pm
Student loans shouldn't even be a thing.

Education at all levels should be either free or heavily subsidised. Education should not be a profitable market.

No, I disagree with you.

Student loans are fine the way they are.

The loan system is fine, yes. But the price of education is a rort. I'll say it again, education should not be a profitable market.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: 420fairy on September 12, 2014, 04:12:55 pm
I personally see both sides - IMHO tertiary education should be free so long as the person who takes it gets a job in the field for which they studied - if not, then they have to pay it back

Can be difficult dude - i know of a guy who spent a lot on his loan to get his teaching degree. No shit over 150 applications. He has been working at The Warehouse since he graduated. It doesnt always pan out that way.

I used to want to be a lawyer until I worked as a legal secretary and was told of how many people are out there with law degrees unable to get positions at established firms/or dont have enough to start their own practice
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: 420fairy on September 12, 2014, 04:16:00 pm
Student loans shouldn't even be a thing.

Education at all levels should be either free or heavily subsidised. Education should not be a profitable market.

No, I disagree with you.

Student loans are fine the way they are. It's user pays system. You get given the money while studying, then pay it back afterwards while you are working. And due to the fact you are earning more as a result of your education, you can easily afford to.

You get more money as the result of your education, the economy benefits from your work, the government gets more in taxes plus gets the loan repaid. Everybody wins.

University education is already heavily subsidised.

I agree with the monkey.  I think primary to college education should be free but tertiary shouldn't be free.  I think they do need to revise their allowance policy. All you have to do is go to Albany see how many uni kids are living in their cars/ public gardens.  Future doctors, teachers etc shouldnt have to live like that while they get qualifications that may save our lives one day :)   I also feel the loan policy should be revised.

If you are legally recognized as an adult at 18 in NZ why should your parents income have any impact when applying for loan/allowance? This is the part I dont agree with
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on September 12, 2014, 08:07:17 pm
The loan system is fine, yes. But the price of education is a rort. I'll say it again, education should not be a profitable market.

I agree with your there, education providers make far too much money for what they provide.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: The Demon Lord on September 12, 2014, 09:19:00 pm
I personally see both sides - IMHO tertiary education should be free so long as the person who takes it gets a job in the field for which they studied - if not, then they have to pay it back

Can be difficult dude - i know of a guy who spent a lot on his loan to get his teaching degree. No shit over 150 applications. He has been working at The Warehouse since he graduated. It doesnt always pan out that way.

I used to want to be a lawyer until I worked as a legal secretary and was told of how many people are out there with law degrees unable to get positions at established firms/or dont have enough to start their own practice

And this is IMHO one of the core components of the problem - in a field where there might be 1-2 job slots available a year - there are courses with 30 spaces available. Now I am all for competition (in fact several of my friends who went to Uni finished their courses in the top end of their course and so had the pick of the limited slots) as I believe competition in education results in a higher caliber of applicant which increases the calibre of skilled members of the workforce.

Not to belittle your friend (as I do not know them) - but if he spent a lot of money on the degree - it should stand to reason that if he was going to invest a significant amount of money, surely the same level of investment should be spent to insure that they are at the top percentile of the 150 applicants.

It seems to me (someone who nearly went to Uni and didn't - and I dare say, haven't done too bad for myself) that a too many people go to University because they think that is what they should do, when all they are in fact doing is propping up the university coffers and getting themselves into debt. I don't mind paying for someone to go to Uni (for free) getting a degree, then working in whatever field they studied - ultimately contributing to society both in terms of an educated work force but also in terms of taxes. I do however have a problem with someone going to uni cause - yah know like, all my friends are going to uni and like um I really like art so I think um an art degree would totally be cool right?
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Pyromanik on September 13, 2014, 08:28:28 am
too many people go to University because they think that is what they should do, when all they are in fact doing is propping up the university coffers and getting themselves into debt.

Nah, because modern say shitcunt piss poor managers, especially the invention of 'middle management' who are frequently clueless micromanagers more than anything else, and generally just capitalism.

Like how in your shithouse beuraucratic bullshit for the sake of it home country, where you need a fucking good pass mark in a degree to get an 'apprenticeship' position in a fucking CALL CENTRE!
At 16k a year.

People thinking shit is a good idea and it actually being a good idea extends far beyond the 18yo school leaver.
Up to the point where pretty much the entirety of modern society does shit simply because "that's what you do."

If the system is shit, you change the fucking system. You don't make exception logic around it, or you end up with a huge muckle mess. KINDA LIKE MODERN POLITICS. Which the premise of this statement forms the entire point of elections.

There, RANT IS THREAD RELEVANT.
Title: New Zealand Parties 2014
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 13, 2014, 08:58:52 am
Why are there so many parties this year?
http://www.elections.org.nz/parties-candidates/registered-political-parties/register-political-parties (http://www.elections.org.nz/parties-candidates/registered-political-parties/register-political-parties)
Old Parties
The New Zealand National Party
New Zealand First Party
ACT New Zealand
New Zealand Labour Party
Māori Party
The Alliance
The Greens, The Green Party of Aotearoa/New Zealand
The New Zealand Democratic Party for Social Credit
Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party
Ban1080
Conservative Party of New Zealand
United Future New Zealand
New Parties
Internet Party and MANA Movement <- MANA Movement + Internet Party
The Civilian Party <- Joke Party
Focus New Zealand <- Who are these guys?!
NZ Independent Coalition
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Pyromanik on September 14, 2014, 12:34:17 am
What the hell is Ban1080?

Does someone really not like the old N64 game 1080 snowboarding?

blah blah blah

One could also argue oversupply.
I could also counter with outdated methods and means, etc. for a modern forwards movement. Applies to all areas, not just govt (such as research, etc).
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: benlav on September 14, 2014, 01:45:26 pm
they need a market pricing system for courses. if you want to study some out there, useless medieval language degree, then you get less funding to go towards it. if we are in dire shortage of teachers, or engineers etc, then they are heavily subsidised and you're financially better off. i know they do that now with resources for capacity, but im more looking at the user pays system. like fairy said, the fact that her friend was studying with little hope, or extremely high competition, had he known better he might have chosen a different field.

the other thing is what they do in Aussie for medical immigrants (doctors etc). They have to go spend a few years in rural places before they are allowed to work in the larger cities. so if for example, teachers wanted to have a cheaper, or free education, then those that opt for that system need to go to the highest demand areas to start their careers, for say 5 years before they can work n the cities.

right now, it seems just too easy to waste thousands of dollars and years of study, doing completely worthless degrees, or having a decent degree but refusing to move out to the whop whops.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Arnifix on September 14, 2014, 06:06:02 pm
they need a market pricing system for courses. if you want to study some out there, useless medieval language degree, then you get less funding to go towards it. if we are in dire shortage of teachers, or engineers etc, then they are heavily subsidised and you're financially better off. i know they do that now with resources for capacity, but im more looking at the user pays system. like fairy said, the fact that her friend was studying with little hope, or extremely high competition, had he known better he might have chosen a different field.

the other thing is what they do in Aussie for medical immigrants (doctors etc). They have to go spend a few years in rural places before they are allowed to work in the larger cities. so if for example, teachers wanted to have a cheaper, or free education, then those that opt for that system need to go to the highest demand areas to start their careers, for say 5 years before they can work n the cities.

right now, it seems just too easy to waste thousands of dollars and years of study, doing completely worthless degrees, or having a decent degree but refusing to move out to the whop whops.
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Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on September 15, 2014, 10:21:09 am
Can be difficult dude - i know of a guy who spent a lot on his loan to get his teaching degree. No shit over 150 applications. He has been working at The Warehouse since he graduated. It doesnt always pan out that way.

That doesn't seem right.

I used to work in IT at Massey's Institution of Education where I was in close contact with the programme coordinators for teachers college. You'd always be guaranteed a job as you went through placement in your final year.

Is your friend a convicted kiddy diddler?
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on September 15, 2014, 10:28:28 am
I am pro institution. I believe higher learning needs to happen in a regulated environment to ensure those learning it are ensuring they are learning what is needed to progress whatever industry they choose to go into.

However I am very against the current system and the cost to do so.

Latest ep of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver was pretty awesome on his 'for profit' tertiary institutions.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Pyromanik on September 15, 2014, 10:28:52 am
Lots of places help with new teacher education, but don't actually hire after the placement year.
Title: Re: Bloody Internet-Mana
Post by: Black Heart on September 15, 2014, 02:01:42 pm
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Internet-Mana has outlined its policy to provide free university education for all students and help those struggling with student debt.


[url]http://tvnz.co.nz/vote-2014-news/free-university-places-more-important-than-tax-cuts-internet-mana-6078848[/url] ([url]http://tvnz.co.nz/vote-2014-news/free-university-places-more-important-than-tax-cuts-internet-mana-6078848[/url])

Not one student is struggling with student debt, how can someone struggle with a loan which is interest free? It's ridiculous.

I've got quite a big student loan and it has had zero financial impact on me. In fact I've just bought a house.


Interest free student loans makes New Zealand a great place to study, and removes the financial barrier.


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The party says the current amount of student debt is $14.232 billion, and 15% of students are living in "absolute financial distress".


Total bullshit.
Caught up in your own situation much?

I know someone who got a commerce degree, got no job afterwards related to the degree, and had a family. Then the relationship ended and he had a big student loan and child support to pay, at his service station job where he worked about 60 hours a week.

His life sucked.
Title: Re: Bloody Internet-Mana
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on September 15, 2014, 02:15:13 pm
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Internet-Mana has outlined its policy to provide free university education for all students and help those struggling with student debt.


[url]http://tvnz.co.nz/vote-2014-news/free-university-places-more-important-than-tax-cuts-internet-mana-6078848[/url] ([url]http://tvnz.co.nz/vote-2014-news/free-university-places-more-important-than-tax-cuts-internet-mana-6078848[/url])

Not one student is struggling with student debt, how can someone struggle with a loan which is interest free? It's ridiculous.

I've got quite a big student loan and it has had zero financial impact on me. In fact I've just bought a house.


Interest free student loans makes New Zealand a great place to study, and removes the financial barrier.


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The party says the current amount of student debt is $14.232 billion, and 15% of students are living in "absolute financial distress".


Total bullshit.
Caught up in your own situation much?

I know someone who got a commerce degree, got no job afterwards related to the degree, and had a family. Then the relationship ended and he had a big student loan and child support to pay, at his service station job where he worked about 60 hours a week.

His life sucked.


I'm sure his life did suck. Because his relationship ended, not because of his big student loan.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Black Heart on September 15, 2014, 03:19:50 pm
Your certainty will be a big relief to him. It's not like financial pressures played any part in the relationship ending.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Arnifix on September 15, 2014, 06:51:14 pm
I can't imagine trying to repay a student loan on service station money -.- And yeah, teachers don't just get jobs
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Pyromanik on September 16, 2014, 07:33:26 am
Finding placement in anywhere remotely near where you live/study is also a big almost never.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: 420fairy on September 16, 2014, 11:51:58 am
Can be difficult dude - i know of a guy who spent a lot on his loan to get his teaching degree. No shit over 150 applications. He has been working at The Warehouse since he graduated. It doesnt always pan out that way.

That doesn't seem right.

I used to work in IT at Massey's Institution of Education where I was in close contact with the programme coordinators for teachers college. You'd always be guaranteed a job as you went through placement in your final year.

Is your friend a convicted kiddy diddler?
hahahah no he isnt he actually looks just like Moby, and he is a super nice guy. felt so fucking sorry for him
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Kayne on September 16, 2014, 11:46:41 pm
I have a question for all you old people.

I've never much cared for politics, and this upcoming election will be the first one where I will be eligible to vote. A scary thought, isn't it. Probably because my lack of caring, or "ignorance", I've never taken much interest in what those around me said on the topic, but now that it is something I feel forced to take part in, I've noticed a lot of hate, anger, and malcontent people. Local election advertisement boards have been tagged with terms like "Wanker", "Liar" and "Fuck face".

So again, old people, I have a question.

Has there always been this much malicious hatred around election time? Such active, enthusiastic ferocity? Why is it I feel people are worried the world is going to end suddenly? When I was younger I never understood why people sometimes shied away when you asked "Who are you going to vote for?", but now it's easy to see, because people will turn on you just because you have a different opinion.

You bitches are whack yo. I really don't understand politics and I think I'm quite glad I don't.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on September 17, 2014, 12:14:17 am
This election is special.

There has never been a PM where he/she has straight faced lied to the people, shown to be lying via irrefutable proof and continued to lie. The PM has fucked up so royally that it has physically angered the public.

Also, Colin Craig is a creep.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Lias on September 17, 2014, 07:29:43 am
Pretty much we've just discovered that John Key is in fact George Bush in sheeps clothing, and we're not too thrilled about it.
Title: Are people really that dumb?
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 17, 2014, 07:56:50 am
So again, old people, I have a question.

Has there always been this much malicious hatred around election time?
No. But the more you throw faeces at the monkeys, the more the monkeys will throw faeces at you
Quote from: TofuEater;787009
Certainly not judging by Helenardo's petuous little outburst.

Typical Helen, to avoid answering questions on what she knew lets throw some shit around and hope it sticks. Does she really think that people are that dumb?
Considering the likelihood of National winning again: Yes. People really are that dumb


And if Epsom vote ACT again, they should have their ability to vote taken away
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: The Demon Lord on September 17, 2014, 08:27:40 am
This election is special.

There has never been a PM where he/she has straight faced lied to the people, shown to be lying via irrefutable proof and continued to lie. The PM has fucked up so royally that it has physically angered the public.

Also, Colin Craig is a creep.

Lol - Politicians Lie.

Its what they do.

They lie to stay in a job - because its their job.

John Key lies no more OR no less than any other politician.

As for this election - alot of people don't want John Key in, but there is no other option for an opposition leader - which makes people frustrated.

Me personally - I would love to vote for someone, however I have come to realise my standards for politicians are unrealistically high (I want them to be fair and balanced, not implement knee jerk policy, do what they say they are going to do, and generally make NZ a better place)
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: 420fairy on September 17, 2014, 09:51:16 am
i didnt watch it all because i had already voted, already knew we were being watched that didnt require a genius to work it out but i didnt realise the scale of the watching. i feel sorry for the poor fucks whos job it is to go through pxt messages can you just imagine some of the rank shit?
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on September 17, 2014, 10:56:27 am
This election is special.

There has never been a PM where he/she has straight faced lied to the people, shown to be lying via irrefutable proof and continued to lie. The PM has fucked up so royally that it has physically angered the public.

Also, Colin Craig is a creep.

Lol - Politicians Lie.

Its what they do.

They lie to stay in a job - because its their job.

John Key lies no more OR no less than any other politician.

LEL. Your subdued reaction to the current unfathomable mess that the present ruling government have found themselves in is weaksauce. They lie because of your very reaction to it, they're usually not held accountable to it.

Yes, politicians are constantly telling porkies but not on the grand scale we are seeing this time, especially coming months after an international verdict that saw NZ government as the least corrupt government in the planet.

John Key should be in the new Die Hard movie - Lie Hard; Lie Another Day.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: 420fairy on September 17, 2014, 12:14:56 pm
Is anyone suspicious of the fact early voting without approval was opened up this year - do you think JK knew that there was something coming out that could sway most nzers?
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Craigor on September 17, 2014, 12:17:27 pm
you could ask him why early voting was opened up this year, but he has probably "forgotten"
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: The Demon Lord on September 17, 2014, 12:26:31 pm
This election is special.

There has never been a PM where he/she has straight faced lied to the people, shown to be lying via irrefutable proof and continued to lie. The PM has fucked up so royally that it has physically angered the public.

Also, Colin Craig is a creep.

Lol - Politicians Lie.

Its what they do.

They lie to stay in a job - because its their job.

John Key lies no more OR no less than any other politician.

LEL. Your subdued reaction to the current unfathomable mess that the present ruling government have found themselves in is weaksauce. They lie because of your very reaction to it, they're usually not held accountable to it.

Yes, politicians are constantly telling porkies but not on the grand scale we are seeing this time, especially coming months after an international verdict that saw NZ government as the least corrupt government in the planet.

John Key should be in the new Die Hard movie - Lie Hard; Lie Another Day.

Show me a Politician who wouldn't do the same....
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on September 17, 2014, 01:13:15 pm
That's not the point. Making allowances purely because they all do it is what is the issue here.

Rarely is there an opportunity to shit on a PM by voting him out of his position when we find out how badly they've lied.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on September 17, 2014, 02:10:29 pm
Is anyone suspicious of the fact early voting without approval was opened up this year - do you think JK knew that there was something coming out that could sway most nzers?

They did it because last election had the lowest voting turnout ever.

The more they can get people to vote, the better.


Dotcom voted early and encouraged people to do so as well - do you think he knew that email he had was a fake, so was getting people to vote early before anyone realised he actually had no evidence to back up his story that JK knew about him.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on September 17, 2014, 02:11:54 pm
This election is special.

There has never been a PM where he/she has straight faced lied to the people, shown to be lying via irrefutable proof and continued to lie. The PM has fucked up so royally that it has physically angered the public.

Also, Colin Craig is a creep.


There have been lots of allegations that he has lied, but actually little evidence to back that up.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on September 17, 2014, 03:04:58 pm
This election is special.

There has never been a PM where he/she has straight faced lied to the people, shown to be lying via irrefutable proof and continued to lie. The PM has fucked up so royally that it has physically angered the public.

Also, Colin Craig is a creep.



There have been lots of allegations that he has lied, but actually little evidence to back that up.


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11326387 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11326387)
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: 420fairy on September 17, 2014, 03:12:39 pm
Is anyone suspicious of the fact early voting without approval was opened up this year - do you think JK knew that there was something coming out that could sway most nzers?

They did it because last year had the lowest voting turnout ever.

The more they can get people to vote, the better.


Dotcom voted early and encouraged people to do so as well - do you think he knew that email he had was a fake, so was getting people to vote early before anyone realised he actually had no evidence to back up his story that JK knew about him.

I did think about that - i had wondered why take such a big risk i would love to know how many have already voted prior to the reveal etc and who is currently in the lead
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on September 17, 2014, 03:16:42 pm

There have been lots of allegations that he has lied, but actually little evidence to back that up.


[url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11326387[/url] ([url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11326387[/url])


Yes, I read that. What is your point?

John Key has claimed that there is no mass surveillance. He have never made any claims that there is no information about New Zealanders in intelligence databases.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on September 17, 2014, 03:18:47 pm
My point is John Key is buckling after vehemently denying content filtering.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: 420fairy on September 17, 2014, 03:36:32 pm
My point is John Key is buckling after vehemently denying content filtering.

But this is usually when he shines - he gets into a pinch and boom out comes the fix it apron. Ill admit hes damn good when hes in a tight situation
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Tandoori on September 17, 2014, 03:52:44 pm
Is anyone suspicious of the fact early voting without approval was opened up this year - do you think JK knew that there was something coming out that could sway most nzers?


The administrative side of the elections is handled by the Electoral Commission. I e-mailed them to ask about changes to advance voting and they said these changes date back to decisions made in 2010.

My point is John Key is buckling after vehemently denying content filtering.


But this is usually when he shines - he gets into a pinch and boom out comes the fix it apron. Ill admit hes damn good when hes in a tight situation


Damn! We're in a tight spot! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dg6DpEAscU#ws)
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: 420fairy on September 17, 2014, 03:59:00 pm
hahaha thank you tandoori and  O Brother Where Art Thou is one of my faves!!!
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on September 17, 2014, 04:07:35 pm
Great movie, but any movie with Gorgeous Clooney is great. His manly handsomeness just leaks off the screen.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: 420fairy on September 17, 2014, 04:10:58 pm
Great movie, but any movie with Gorgeous Clooney is great. His manly handsomeness just leaks off the screen.
nah bro hell no fuck no
John Turturro is the man
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Kayne on September 17, 2014, 07:14:03 pm
Just saw 5 minutes of John Key vs Some Squinty eyed fred flintstone, Guessing Labour?, on on3 news

I'm almost on the side of John Key with just how they were talking to him. He said general statements that provided the infomation they needed for their answers and they're getting angry because he doesn't sound like he's saying everything. On top of that they said at the start "we don't have as much time as normal so we must be quick".

I can understand why he wouldn't want to just say anything that came to mind as everything he says will probably be used against him later on, regardless of his intent on the words. On top of that, Are we not supposed to expect some secrets with the government? Am I stupid for being fine with that?

The guy said that John Key IS spying on NZ because "what if the american government intruded on the google mail servers and looked at your gmail account, This guy (flicking a thumb at John Key) could be checking your emails!"

Jesus christ I don't fucking understand politics.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: AvatarFACE on September 17, 2014, 07:31:15 pm
It seems like at the moment the media coverage is less about politics and mostly about everyone calling each other names. I'd much rather hear about policies and economic plans. Can't stand to watch election coverage at the moment.
Title: Interesting Election 2014
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 17, 2014, 09:44:27 pm
This election is special.
Well colour me embarrassed
Am waiting for yet another uninteresting election. There probably wont be an interesting election until 2017.
Who would have thought a fat German, an American Traitor, and Hone Harawira would change the way politics would be promoted forever in New Zealand
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Pyromanik on September 18, 2014, 06:29:23 am
Wait, what has Hone been up to? Haven't heard much outrageous stuff this electorial campaign time... mostly been lies and slander between grown up high schoolers.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on September 18, 2014, 07:50:58 am
Wait, what has Hone been up to? Haven't heard much outrageous stuff this electorial campaign time... mostly been lies and slander between grown up high schoolers.

He must of realised he's not actually in control of his party anymore.

I hope he got a nice cheque from dotcom to make it worth it.

Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: The Demon Lord on September 18, 2014, 09:04:25 am
It seems like at the moment the media coverage is less about politics and mostly about everyone calling each other names. I'd much rather hear about policies and economic plans. Can't stand to watch election coverage at the moment.

But that is what NZ politics has devolved to....
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Pyromanik on September 18, 2014, 09:10:26 am
*western* politics.
Shit is rife everywhere there's a country filled with honkies.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: 420fairy on September 18, 2014, 12:46:53 pm
local voting place across the street is pumping today, seems everyone is rushing to vote.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Pyromanik on September 19, 2014, 10:43:37 am
So vote online they said. Just vote then scan it and upload it they said.
WHERE THE FUCK DO I GO ON THE NZERNETS TO FIND THIS SHIT!?

Uh oh. Fuckers better not stiff me out of voting.


***
Fuck'n knew I'd seen it before.

Search using elections.org.nz - get a million pages telling you all the ins and outs of walking to voting booths in your electorate, and other inane shit, NO ACTUAL ACTION BUTTONS.

Search using google: Instant "Click here to vote now in 2014 General Election."

Motherfuckers.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on September 19, 2014, 11:01:56 am
I had a bitch fit the other week.

The elections website is a fucking cluster-fuck of uselessness.
Title: Not an armchair ride to prosperity
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 19, 2014, 06:56:52 pm
We all need to vote NZ First.
Can you imagine Winston as our Prime minster

What do you have against John Key?
Key discusses welfare reforms (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCSPfimGnO0#ws)
Only a Communist would not love this guy
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Pyromanik on September 20, 2014, 07:36:53 am
I did dun vote.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Bounty Hunter on September 20, 2014, 01:42:04 pm
Voted.

Kind of ashamed at my money grabbing vote, so I gave greens my MMP to make my soul feel a bit better.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Kayne on September 20, 2014, 06:08:47 pm
I voted for the legalise weed party as they seem to be the only party that is honest about what they're going to do.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on September 20, 2014, 06:27:34 pm
Party vote went to Greens in the end.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Bounty Hunter on September 20, 2014, 07:18:08 pm
LET THE GAMES, BEGIN!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/election-results-2014 (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/election-results-2014)
Title: I hate the A.C.T Party
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 20, 2014, 07:37:49 pm
LET THE GAMES, BEGIN!

[url]http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/election-results-2014[/url] ([url]http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/election-results-2014[/url])
Why wont you just DIE A.C.T party?

Why wont you just die?!
Title: Re: I hate the A.C.T Party
Post by: Arnifix on September 20, 2014, 07:40:52 pm
LET THE GAMES, BEGIN!

[url]http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/election-results-2014[/url] ([url]http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/election-results-2014[/url])
Why wont you just DIE A.C.T party?

Why wont you just die?!
Because Ayn Rand libertarian idiots.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Pyromanik on September 20, 2014, 09:43:21 pm
And so then nothing changed.
Title: National win Clutha - Southland
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 20, 2014, 09:44:58 pm
National trumped everyone in the South. Probably because they withdrew that Bill English scumbag (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10588307)
Majority:   13,583
http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electorate-6.html (http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electorate-6.html)
ASHTON, Lachie   CNSP   1,316
BARCLAY, Todd   NAT   19,686
BARKLEY, Karl   NZIC   159
CRAIG, Liz   LAB   6,103
GOLDSMITH, Rachael   GP   1,935
JOBSIS, Jason   NZDSC   77
NICOLSON, Don   ACT   431
VEINT, James   BAN   817
And so then nothing changed.

Of course not. I was expecting a National government again

I just want A.C.T leave for good. I also want Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party to leave for good too
Title: Re: National win Clutha - Southland
Post by: Pyromanik on September 20, 2014, 09:47:37 pm
And so then nothing changed.
Of course not. I was expecting a National government again

As was I, I gues.

I think it'd be really great if they weren't, but realistically it is what I expect.

Not that it makes all that much difference. Despite all the shit slinging they do actually get some shit done, they're just fucking TERRIBLE communicators. And none of the other options are really any much better.
Title: Re: National win Clutha - Southland
Post by: Retardobot on September 20, 2014, 09:52:40 pm
And none of the other options are really any much better.

How to succinctly describe politics.
Title: Ohairu - Belmont will be close
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 20, 2014, 09:58:55 pm
And none of the other options are really any much better.


How to succinctly describe politics.

Well well. Not exactly. Check out Ohairu - Belmont, home of the United Future Party
http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electorate-36.html (http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electorate-36.html)
Results Counted:   51 of 60 (85.0%)
Majority:   786
ANDERSEN, Virginia   LAB   9,574
DUNNE, Peter   UFNZ   10,360

That is getting close enough for a recount

edit: Bah. Looks like Peter Dunne is going back to Parliament again
Title: North Shore = National
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 20, 2014, 10:02:16 pm
National's Maggie Barry just took out Aucklands North Shore by 14,631 votes
National are kicking arse everywhere
edit: Wait, what is going on here? By the looks of the electoral results the Maori Party are heading straight to the Dole Queue
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Bounty Hunter on September 20, 2014, 10:03:57 pm
I want to read KDC's acceptance speech.
Title: Tauranga = National
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 20, 2014, 10:18:05 pm
National just won Tauranga, but I dont get it:
Quote
BRIDGES, Simon (NAT)  18,967 Majority: 13,526
MITCHELL, Clayton NZF 5,441
Why didnt Winston Peters stand in his own electorate?

Also: The only Maori Party member looks to be for Waiariki
Results Counted:   207 of 216 (95.8%)
FLAVELL, Te Ururoa James (MAOR) Majority:   2,922
Title: Dammit Epsom!!
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 20, 2014, 10:23:10 pm
And so then nothing changed.
NOT AGAIN
Quote
Results Counted:   46 of 53 (86.8%)
Leading Candidate:   SEYMOUR, David (ACT)       Majority:   4,158
Dammit Epsom! If you like A.C.T so much, why dont you just marry it
Title: Internet-Mana are finished
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 20, 2014, 10:29:53 pm
Wait, what has Hone been up to?
Apparently he will be off to the unemployment booth too!
Quote
Election Results -- Te Tai Tokerau
Results Counted:   347 of 368 (94.3%)
Leading Candidate:   DAVIS, Kelvin (LAB)       Majority:   1,091
DAVIS, Kelvin   LAB   7,863
HARAWIRA, Hone   MANA   6,772
Who would have known New Zealanders happily tolerate lying politicians
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Pyromanik on September 20, 2014, 10:38:35 pm
You know they're lying when their lips move.
World wide phenomenan.
Title: ELECTION 2014 Ends
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 21, 2014, 08:50:20 am
So the results are:

Less people voted this year
National win again and gained two seats = 61
Labour lost two seats = 32
Green  lost one seat = 11 13
Winston First gained three seats = 11
Maori Party got massacred and have only two seats = 2

Very surprising to see the Maori electorates go back to Labour. I mean, all of their best MP's have retired but still, you would think that someone competent would remain in their party
edit: Whoops. Greens lost one seat to have a total of 13
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014 Ends
Post by: Bounty Hunter on September 21, 2014, 11:22:14 am
Less people voted this year

This is interesting, and disappointing.

The usual story is that the left wont vote for a crap left, or the right, so they don't vote at all right?

I also thought the greens would have been stronger.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: toofast on September 21, 2014, 11:30:52 am
National really cleaned up in the party votes across the electorates. Looks like they won pretty much everything except south auckland (no surprises), and Dunedin (and that was a 28 vote win).  I kinda knew national would win again, but I am surprised that they won so comfortably. Also no fucking clue why epsom keeps voting ACT.

I voted for the legalise weed party as they seem to be the only party that is honest about what they're going to do.
Wasted vote really.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Kayne on September 21, 2014, 12:17:30 pm
I voted for the legalise weed party as they seem to be the only party that is honest about what they're going to do.
Wasted vote really.

Is joke.

I told my parents that I voted for national but I actually did NZ first.

Still no shits given for politics so I'm not fussed. I actually did "eenie - meenie - miny - mo" for my vote.
Title: Hating on A.C.T
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 21, 2014, 02:08:42 pm
Also no fucking clue why epsom keeps voting ACT.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11328860 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11328860)
Quote
"I think that if I had been the leader and the Epsom candidate we would have basically been saying that Act has no more ambition than to win Epsom - and that isn't true - we want to be a major force in New Zealand politics.

Yes and if wishes were ponies then New Zealand would be more stable
I told my parents that I voted for national but I actually did NZ first.
Funny story time
One of the foreign students asked me what topics were considered rude to ask people in New Zealand. The consensus is: Age, Weight, Salary, and Politics.

Why Politics?

One lady said she was voting Winston First. The immediate response is:
"IS SHE OLD?!?!"

Turns out she was
Title: Lessons learned from this Election
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 21, 2014, 10:59:56 pm
Less people voted this year
This is interesting, and disappointing.

The usual story is that the left wont vote for a crap left, or the right, so they don't vote at all right?

I also thought the greens would have been stronger.
Lessons learned from this Election:

Dont rely on young people - They're too lazy and stupid to bother voting
Dont rely on old people - at least not as long as Winston Peters is still around
Dont rely on Maori people - they couldnt go back to Labour fast enough
Dont rely on Policies - no one bothers reading them
Dont attack politicians during Elections - it is a waste of time. People are too lazy/stupid to change their minds
Always rely on crazy white people - Nothing will get you into parliament faster than being Conservative
Always pirate your campaign music - Bonus points if you steal from litigious American Rappers

Thusly, if you want to start a Political Party in New Zealand:
Be Conservative
Continuously Attack politicians up to four months before elections
Steal campaign music from Kanye West
Get Germans to hate you
Promise nothing
Spread fear and/or hate
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Gutty on September 21, 2014, 11:20:00 pm
you forgot to add eminem to the campaign music bit lol
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014 Ends
Post by: Pyromanik on September 21, 2014, 11:55:11 pm
I also thought the greens would have been stronger.

As did I.

I think they still have a lot of stigmatism around them though thier kinda less than political origins.
And by that I mean all the older folk still think they're shit because they were a bunch of smelly hippies trying to legalise pot rather than run a country.
They've grown up, but I too am a bit surprised that that is not relected better in the votes.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014 Ends
Post by: Lias on September 22, 2014, 07:26:48 am
I think they still have a lot of stigmatism around them though thier kinda less than political origins.
And by that I mean all the older folk still think they're shit because they were a bunch of smelly hippies trying to legalise pot rather than run a country.
They've grown up, but I too am a bit surprised that that is not relected better in the votes.

I don't think it's the pot, as much as it's the completely living in fairytale world lalaland. It's a party dominated by ultra left zealots, with a world view on things that quite frankly scares the crap out of middle class New Zealand nearly as much as Mana.

Quite apart from all the political correctness and social justice garbage, they have absolutely no fucking idea how to keep the country economically stable. It's going to take them a decade or two to live down Russell Norman's "let's print money" quantitative easing  fiasco.

Title: A bunch of smelly hippies trying to legalise pot
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 22, 2014, 08:39:11 am
I also thought the greens would have been stronger.


As did I.

I think they still have a lot of stigmatism around them though thier kinda less than political origins.
And by that I mean all the older folk still think they're shit because they were a bunch of smelly hippies trying to legalise pot rather than run a country.

Bwahahahaha!
Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party   8,539    0.41%
United Future         4,533    0.22%
Ban1080         4,368    0.21%
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10526936/United-Future-party-vote-smoked (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10526936/United-Future-party-vote-smoked)
Quote
United Future party vote smoked

In this election United Future won just 0.22 per cent of the overall party vote (4533 party votes) while the ALCP polled 0.41 per cent (8539) of the overall party vote.

Asked whether United Future needed a shot in the arm after being outpolled by the aspiring dope smokers Dunne, 60, said the ALCP's party vote success could have been a reaction to the Government's decision to remove synthetic drugs from public sale earlier this year.

edit: The comment section of that article is hilarious
Quote
smith512711 hours ago
United no future

Toon Army13 hours ago
The worst thing is that Dunne will most likely end up as a Cabinet Minister. A Cabinet Minister whose party is rejected by more than 99% of the electorate

Tomo13 hours ago
It's interesting that PD personally got nearly 3 times as many votes as his party. Of the people in the constituency who did vote for him, at least 60% didn't vote United Future.
I have no idea what that says about the people who voted for him.

tbaytaniwha15 hours ago
What a pathetic excuse from Dunne, re the legalise cannabis party out polling him. It took an endorsement from the priminister for him to scrape past a no name rival who doesn't even live in the electorate.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: The Demon Lord on September 22, 2014, 08:46:30 am
I think I can safely say:

Lol NZ Politics
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Craigor on September 22, 2014, 10:36:00 am
I think the most disappointing part about this election is how close Colin Craig got to actually getting a seat

THAT many people voted for.. THAT..
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: benlav on September 22, 2014, 01:05:57 pm
Have the greens won an electorate seat yet? I find it a little odd a party which I guess you can say is big, doesn't strictly speaking have a standing MP based on a head to head victory.

In saying that, I guess they want to be focusing on national issues as opposed to local issues. So not a bad strategy.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Lias on September 22, 2014, 08:33:21 pm
Have the greens won an electorate seat yet? I find it a little odd a party which I guess you can say is big, doesn't strictly speaking have a standing MP based on a head to head victory.

In saying that, I guess they want to be focusing on national issues as opposed to local issues. So not a bad strategy.

Yeah they have previously, Jeanette Fitzsimons won Coromandel a few years ago.

Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Lias on September 22, 2014, 08:33:45 pm
I think the most disappointing part about this election is how close Colin Craig got to actually getting a seat

THAT many people voted for.. THAT..

Yes.. foaming foaming nutjobs.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on September 22, 2014, 09:50:16 pm
I think the most disappointing part about this election is how close Colin Craig got to actually getting a seat

THAT many people voted for.. THAT..

He's such a positive guy though, even when he lost he had a big smile on his face.

Much happy.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on September 22, 2014, 10:45:00 pm

In all honesty, Colin Craig had more gumption and passion than any of the other minor party leaders.

If we're talking party leaders who didn't know what they were doing, I'm going to nominate Laila Harre for that moniker. Everything said sounded like it came from a 101 class on 'how to be a run of the mill politician".

She also looks like an old squirrel.

I'd still totally do her.

EDIT: The internet is being so god damn fucky. Posting this reply ended up becoming a new topic. WTF.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: benlav on September 23, 2014, 01:36:15 am
Have the greens won an electorate seat yet? I find it a little odd a party which I guess you can say is big, doesn't strictly speaking have a standing MP based on a head to head victory.

In saying that, I guess they want to be focusing on national issues as opposed to local issues. So not a bad strategy.

Yeah they have previously, Jeanette Fitzsimons won Coromandel a few years ago.

ah true, forgot about her. I didn't mind her. In fact I don't really mind the top ones, I can't stand Gareth Hughes though, he really rubs me the wrong way.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Lias on September 23, 2014, 07:40:50 am
ah true, forgot about her. I didn't mind her. In fact I don't really mind the top ones, I can't stand Gareth Hughes though, he really rubs me the wrong way.

I thought it was Darren Hughes that rubbed young men the wrong way lololololol
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Pyromanik on September 23, 2014, 08:01:52 am
I think I can safely say:

Lol NZ Politics

Pretty sure we... well... I at least said that 4 elections ago.

I think the last (semi)decent election was the year I turned vote-eligible. And back then I was probably just (more than) likely too fucking stupid un-clued up to know otherwise.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014 Ends
Post by: Pyromanik on September 23, 2014, 08:07:12 am
I think they still have a lot of stigmatism around them though thier kinda less than political origins.
And by that I mean all the older folk still think they're shit because they were a bunch of smelly hippies trying to legalise pot rather than run a country.
They've grown up, but I too am a bit surprised that that is not relected better in the votes.

I don't think it's the pot, as much as it's the completely living in fairytale world lalaland.

Same thing.

I believe they've grown enough to be capable with a majority coalition*. I don't expect that from them, but (on the times where the folks you described in the rest of your post aren't in vocal focus) it's nice to have them in parliament, at least to keep a <mostly> objective view on some of the hyped up shit the other two major parties come up with.

Plus they are in effect partly right. We are the 'green' country (colour/env. not politics). And things like mining national parks... LOLWUT. I like them for that much at least. And I must say... traditionally I'm a central right voter (it's most unfortunate as of late that there's been no such fucking thing).



*but it is the crazy voices that makes me dubious of letting them have sole control. Because, fuck them. In their entirety.

eg. I can't believe that bradford (yeah that's right, no capitalisation on that name) thing hasn't tried to criminalise breathing yet because it steals valuable oxygen needed for the rest of the ecosystem or something.

ps. I know she's not Greens any more, but it still GREATLY saddens me that it's still (even semi-)active in politics.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on October 02, 2014, 10:40:07 pm
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/568393/20141002/100-tuition-free-why-germany-envy-university.htm#.VC0cs_mSxcg (http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/568393/20141002/100-tuition-free-why-germany-envy-university.htm#.VC0cs_mSxcg)

I'm not sure where I was ranting about the cost of education in tertiary schools so I'll put this here.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Lias on October 03, 2014, 11:49:29 am
[url]http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/568393/20141002/100-tuition-free-why-germany-envy-university.htm#.VC0cs_mSxcg[/url] ([url]http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/568393/20141002/100-tuition-free-why-germany-envy-university.htm#.VC0cs_mSxcg[/url])

I'm not sure where I was ranting about the cost of education in tertiary schools so I'll put this here.


I'm all down for free tertiary, but only for students with high grades.

Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Xenolightning on October 03, 2014, 11:54:18 am
[url]http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/568393/20141002/100-tuition-free-why-germany-envy-university.htm#.VC0cs_mSxcg[/url] ([url]http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/568393/20141002/100-tuition-free-why-germany-envy-university.htm#.VC0cs_mSxcg[/url])

I'm not sure where I was ranting about the cost of education in tertiary schools so I'll put this here.


I'm all down for free tertiary, but only for students with high grades.

Think that's called a scholarship?
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on October 03, 2014, 12:03:45 pm
It's should be user pays. I don't want to pay more taxes just so some student can get pissed all the time.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on October 03, 2014, 12:57:31 pm
It's should be user pays. I don't want to pay more taxes just so some student can get pissed all the time.

But you're fine paying taxes for welfare, where they all get pissed all the time. You're fine paying taxes that end up paying for contractors who build and repair roads, because that's also another demographic that gets pissed all the time.

Because, you know, every student gets pissed all the time.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: The Demon Lord on October 03, 2014, 12:58:18 pm
It's should be user pays. I don't want to pay more taxes just so some student can get pissed all the time.

This is the thing - I don't mind students getting free education - they just have to use the degree they have studied for
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Xenolightning on October 03, 2014, 01:21:32 pm

This is the thing - I don't mind students getting free education - they just have to use the degree they have studied for
Just remove everything related to Bachelor of Arts :-P
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on October 03, 2014, 02:14:18 pm
It's should be user pays. I don't want to pay more taxes just so some student can get pissed all the time.

But you're fine paying taxes for welfare, where they all get pissed all the time. You're fine paying taxes that end up paying for contractors who build and repair roads, because that's also another demographic that gets pissed all the time.

Because, you know, every student gets pissed all the time.

They're bad examples.

Someone on welfare can't pay for their own welfare, that is why they are on welfare in the first place. A student can pay for their own education.

I use roads a lot, so I'm happy to pay taxes for them.



 
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on October 03, 2014, 03:00:46 pm
It's should be user pays. I don't want to pay more taxes just so some student can get pissed all the time.

But you're fine paying taxes for welfare, where they all get pissed all the time. You're fine paying taxes that end up paying for contractors who build and repair roads, because that's also another demographic that gets pissed all the time.

Because, you know, every student gets pissed all the time.

They're bad examples.

Someone on welfare can't pay for their own welfare, that is why they are on welfare in the first place. A student can pay for their own education.

I use roads a lot, so I'm happy to pay taxes for them.

You use students a lot.

And sorry Monkey, but..."a student can pay for their own education".

No, no they can't.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on October 03, 2014, 03:41:04 pm
Yes they can.

Anyone can get an interest free student loan to pay for their education.
Title: Hone's Dodgy Staff
Post by: Tiwaking! on October 27, 2014, 10:29:51 pm
Wait, what has Hone been up to? Haven't heard much outrageous stuff this electorial campaign time... mostly been lies and slander between grown up high schoolers.

http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/harawira-hired-sex-offenders-with-taxpayer-money-2014102318 (http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/harawira-hired-sex-offenders-with-taxpayer-money-2014102318)
Quote
Sex offenders worked for Harawira with taxpayer money
By Tova O'Brien
Thursday 23 Oct 2014 6:28 p.m
As Northland faces its latest high-profile sex case, 3 News can reveal the alleged offender had been working for Hone Harawira and paid by the taxpayer.
Leaked Parliamentary documents show he's one of three men hired by Mr Harawira who have either been convicted of, or ended up accused of sexual offence charges.

Mr Harawira employed his brother Arthur through Parliamentary Services – again with public funds. He's spent time in jail for violent offences, including a sexual attack charge laid in 2008.
"To go and hire people regardless of whether they're family or not who have got a history of sexual or domestic violence is just unacceptable – it's unforgivable," says Mr Davis.
Parliamentary Services and the Speaker are responsible for staff, but they refused to comment.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on October 28, 2014, 02:56:59 pm
Why is it unacceptable to hire someone with a criminal record?

Are they not entitled to earn a wage because they spent time in prison?
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on October 28, 2014, 03:44:28 pm
Why is it unacceptable to hire someone with a criminal record?

Are they not entitled to earn a wage because they spent time in prison?

I agree.

It would be different if they were hired as a school teacher or something.

But I don't see an issue with ex-prisoner working on a campaign (although it probably wouldn't help the party image)

Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Lias on October 28, 2014, 06:39:57 pm
As someone who has a couple of minor, never been to jail convictions, most companies won't hire you, even if you've never been to jail.

It's quite shit.


Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on October 28, 2014, 08:27:33 pm
I understand there's always been a stigma about it but for an official to be so blatant about it being 'unacceptable' seems ill advised.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: swindle on November 03, 2014, 06:40:14 pm
I didn't vote.

I didn't vote because I don't want this current political farce we call "democracy" ruling us.

First person to say "If you didn't vote, you don't get a say" gets a big'ol right hook to the gob.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Pitchey on November 03, 2014, 11:37:27 pm
"If you didn't vote, you don't get a say"
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on November 04, 2014, 05:19:06 am
If you don't vote, I'm not going to care when you complain.
Title: My back is spineless. My belly is yellow, I am the American No-Voter
Post by: Tiwaking! on November 04, 2014, 08:39:37 am
I didn't vote.

I didn't vote because I don't want this current political farce we call "democracy" ruling us.

First person to say "If you didn't vote, you don't get a say" gets a big'ol right hook to the gob.
If you dont vote then you deserve to get exactly what you didnt stand against
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Bounty Hunter on November 04, 2014, 11:01:45 am
Not voting is not the same as no confidence (in the system or otherwise)
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Xsannz on November 04, 2014, 11:03:19 am
Not voting is not the same as no confidence (in the system or otherwise)

This.. i had no confidence in any candidates.  in fact i haven't ever since i became a citizen and was eligible 10 years ago.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Bounty Hunter on November 04, 2014, 11:07:44 am
Not voting is not the same as no confidence (in the system or otherwise)

This.. i had no confidence in any candidates.  in fact i haven't ever since i became a citizen and was eligible 10 years ago,

So for 10 years you and up to 999,999 kiwi's haven't agreed with the system or the spread political parties.

What have you done about it?

"Not vote"

So to try and achieve something you have intentionally done nothing?
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Xsannz on November 04, 2014, 11:12:18 am
Not voting is not the same as no confidence (in the system or otherwise)

This.. i had no confidence in any candidates.  in fact i haven't ever since i became a citizen and was eligible 10 years ago,

So for 10 years you and up to 999,999 kiwi's haven't agreed with the system or the spread political parties.

What have you done about it?

"Not vote"

So to try and achieve something you have intentionally done nothing?

YEP, the first few times i didn't really have an interest in politics and was MEH.

but the last 2 elections i have read all the policies and debated at length who to vote for but the simple fact is it was always either national or labour and labour did themselves no favours so national was a sure win, at the end of the day

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

and this holds true, the politicians are never held accountable for their actions or inactions, simply put this time i chose to fence sit and watch the world burn as it seemed like a choice of Napalm on one side or flamethrowers on the other.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on November 04, 2014, 11:23:40 am
You should have voted for Colin Crag.

Colin Crag was so close to getting in. But Xsannz did not vote for Colin Crag.

Now Colin Crag is sad, and stays up at night wondering why Xsannz didn't vote for him. What could Colin Crag have done differently to win Xsannz over?

Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Xsannz on November 04, 2014, 11:31:19 am
You should have voted for Colin Crag.

Colin Crag was so close to getting in. But Xsannz did not vote for Colin Crag.

Now Colin Crag is sad, and stays up at night wondering why Xsannz didn't vote for him. What could Colin Crag have done differently to win Xsannz over?

he didn't provide requested resources for reach arounds or other acrobatic night activities
Title: Re: My back is spineless. My belly is yellow, I am the American No-Voter
Post by: The Demon Lord on November 04, 2014, 11:54:49 am
I didn't vote.

I didn't vote because I don't want this current political farce we call "democracy" ruling us.

First person to say "If you didn't vote, you don't get a say" gets a big'ol right hook to the gob.
If you dont vote then you deserve to get exactly what you didnt stand against

Exactly - I didn't vote to get Shafted by the twelve inch Black rubber cock and I didn't vote to get shafted by the Twelve inch purple rubber cock either.

TBH - I would say my non-vote this year was quite successful, given all the media coverage about the abysmally low voter turn out - and all the people scratching their heads about why people like me don't vote.

I have my reasons and I don't buy the argument that not voting is equal to not having a say. I say all of our politicians are self-serving cretins who are unworthy of my vote.
Title: Re: My back is spineless. My belly is yellow, I am the American No-Voter
Post by: Xsannz on November 04, 2014, 12:09:45 pm
I didn't vote.

I didn't vote because I don't want this current political farce we call "democracy" ruling us.

First person to say "If you didn't vote, you don't get a say" gets a big'ol right hook to the gob.
If you dont vote then you deserve to get exactly what you didnt stand against

Exactly - I didn't vote to get Shafted by the twelve inch Black rubber cock and I didn't vote to get shafted by the Twelve inch purple rubber cock either.

TBH - I would say my non-vote this year was quite successful, given all the media coverage about the abysmally low voter turn out - and all the people scratching their heads about why people like me don't vote.

I have my reasons and I don't buy the argument that not voting is equal to not having a say. I say all of our politicians are self-serving cretins who are unworthy of my vote.

same view.. not worth voting thus i didn't, at least in the media have acknowledged there is an issue about why so many like us didn't vote.
Title: Re: My back is spineless. My belly is yellow, I am the American No-Voter
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on November 04, 2014, 12:15:52 pm
I have my reasons and I don't buy the argument that not voting is equal to not having a say. I say all of our politicians are self-serving cretins who are unworthy of my vote.

Then you should form a party, and vote for yourself.

Surely you must be worthy of your own vote.

same view.. not worth voting thus i didn't, at least in the media have acknowledged there is an issue about why so many like us didn't vote.

Na, you guys are just lazy.

If there is so many of you that didn't want to vote, then form a party for all those people who didn't want to vote.

Then you can vote for that party.


But you won't, cause you're all too lazy.

Title: Re: My back is spineless. My belly is yellow, I am the American No-Voter
Post by: Xsannz on November 04, 2014, 12:20:32 pm
I have my reasons and I don't buy the argument that not voting is equal to not having a say. I say all of our politicians are self-serving cretins who are unworthy of my vote.

Surely you must be worthy of your own vote.

nah i'd be prone to do a MUGABE and rule this place like a tyrant and have gold leaf toilet paper.
Title: Re: My back is spineless. My belly is yellow, I am the American No-Voter
Post by: Bounty Hunter on November 04, 2014, 01:34:39 pm
I have my reasons and I don't buy the argument that not voting is equal to not having a say. I say all of our politicians are self-serving cretins who are unworthy of my vote.

So what have you done about it?
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Xsannz on November 04, 2014, 01:41:31 pm
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRHbIKvtad51x9zU3xwUqcwllWZG2qykFyt-rGmCKcov2io0Mxceg)

although there are more images showing inaction is bad, however i don't see it as inaction, the action was to not vote and thus cause a reaction from the media, which in turn would spur change.

so rather than call it an inaction i would call it a passive action to get a greater response and re-action.

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSjan410ZELTzCwz1i3txwHg7S4HtqQRXfxuLecsaw_w4jkSZJb)

(http://meetville.com/images/quotes/Quotation-Bob-Woodward-best-Meetville-Quotes-82248.jpg)
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on November 04, 2014, 02:02:55 pm
Voter turnout was higher this time then last election.

So I don't know what 'media reaction' your talking about.

Not voting is not going to change anything. And I have no idea what 'greater response' you are expecting not voting.

Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Craigor on November 04, 2014, 02:18:38 pm
I didn't not abstain from not voting
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Bounty Hunter on November 04, 2014, 02:21:49 pm

although there are more images showing inaction is bad, however i don't see it as inaction, the action was to not vote and thus cause a reaction from the media, which in turn would spur change.

so rather than call it an inaction i would call it a passive action to get a greater response and re-action.


Wat?

The media have dedicated more resources towards Millie Holmes than voter turn out.

How does the media reporting on voter turn out spur change towards a new system anyway?
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on November 04, 2014, 07:09:17 pm
Not voting is like praying.


No matter how hard you try, nothing will change.
Title: Re: My back is spineless. My belly is yellow, I am the American No-Voter
Post by: The Demon Lord on November 05, 2014, 10:08:02 am
I have my reasons and I don't buy the argument that not voting is equal to not having a say. I say all of our politicians are self-serving cretins who are unworthy of my vote.

Then you should form a party, and vote for yourself.

Surely you must be worthy of your own vote.

The thought has crossed my mind, but I neither have the Charisma nor (more importantly) the financial backing required for such a Venture....

Plus I think the average NZer is a Xenophobic, back water cretin with no scope of the world outside the door step and no appreciation for the consequences of their actions - and that tends to rub people the wrong way....
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: swindle on November 14, 2014, 06:54:13 pm
Not voting is like praying.


No matter how hard you try, nothing will change.

How is voting any different?

Those people who get paid to much to sit around and talk shit are just going to do what they want anyways.

Think voting is better action then not voting?

The ruse was successful.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Pyromanik on November 15, 2014, 08:58:24 am
If it does nothing, what the fuck is the harm in trying, just in case it does work?
Hurr durr.
Change has to come from within.


Or something.
Title: Voting and Not Voting
Post by: Tiwaking! on December 01, 2014, 03:23:03 pm
Not voting is not the same as no confidence (in the system or otherwise)
Quote
This is the same way some have argued elections are broken: you don't end up with the best people, you end up with the least-bad people. Since people aren't one-dimensional, those are very different concepts. Least-bad involves very little risk; you eliminate everyone who displays any risk factors at all.
Noink
Title: Re: Voting and Not Voting
Post by: Bounty Hunter on December 01, 2014, 03:34:00 pm
Not voting is not the same as no confidence (in the system or otherwise)
Quote
This is the same way some have argued elections are broken: you don't end up with the best people, you end up with the least-bad people. Since people aren't one-dimensional, those are very different concepts. Least-bad involves very little risk; you eliminate everyone who displays any risk factors at all.
Noink

Little bit more context buddy?

Where'd your quote come from? I can't tell if it's reinforcing my statement or challenging it...heh
Title: Re: Voting and Not Voting
Post by: The Demon Lord on December 01, 2014, 04:44:28 pm
Not voting is not the same as no confidence (in the system or otherwise)
Quote
This is the same way some have argued elections are broken: you don't end up with the best people, you end up with the least-bad people. Since people aren't one-dimensional, those are very different concepts. Least-bad involves very little risk; you eliminate everyone who displays any risk factors at all.
Noink

Little bit more context buddy?

Where'd your quote come from? I can't tell if it's reinforcing my statement or challenging it...heh

And that is the Crux of the issue - moving forward involves Risk, Elections reward those who take little to no risk, thus we get rewarded with the current crop of limp wristed self serving cretins (aka Politicians) whose sole objective is to do the bare minimum to stay on the Gravy Train
Title: Re: Voting and Not Voting
Post by: Bounty Hunter on December 01, 2014, 05:38:49 pm
And that is the Crux of the issue - moving forward involves Risk, Elections reward those who take little to no risk, thus we get rewarded with the current crop of limp wristed self serving cretins (aka Politicians) whose sole objective is to do the bare minimum to stay on the Gravy Train

What?

The crux of the issue is that Tiwa provided a quote without providing a context or source?

I guess some risk is involved....but aside from an analogy I don't see how this has anything to do with elections....
Title: Why Google's hiring process is broken
Post by: Tiwaking! on December 01, 2014, 06:57:55 pm
The crux of the issue is that Tiwa provided a quote without providing a context or source?
The source from the quote is from a Hacker News thread called "Why Google's hiring process is broken"
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2557672
The quote is a response to the outline of the process of Google's hiring process (which I have spoilered)
Lets say there is a person X, who gets hired, from company Y, and person X really didn't fit in at Y and felt really abused by the company. Now new candidates from Y generate an email to X with the standard "You worked at Y when candidate Z did etc etc." Now person X is still pissed off about how Y treated them and so they respond to all of those emails with "Yeah, candidate Z was a crappy engineer, everyone had to carry for them they never did anything useful." Maybe someone else from Y says "candidate Z was great, everyone turned to them for advice." The process of separating the interviewers from the decisions means that this feedback bubbles up all equally weighted. Hard to know that employee X has said the same thing about every candidate that has come from Y, and if the committee sees two comments one positive and one negative and there isn't anyone on the committee who knows any different then how do you evaluate?

The simplest solution if either has an equal probability of being the 'correct' assesment is that you pass on them because you can't know if you have bad data. And that was a part of the process that was fundamentally broken.
Basically the only way to know if someone is good or not is to assume the worse.
And that is the Crux of the issue - moving forward involves Risk, Elections reward those who take little to no risk, thus we get rewarded with the current crop of limp wristed self serving cretins (aka Politicians) whose sole objective is to do the bare minimum to stay on the Gravy Train
I guess some risk is involved....but aside from an analogy I don't see how this has anything to do with elections....
Elections are not about voting for the 'best' candidate. It has never been about voting for the 'best' candidate.

Elections are about voting for the candidate who best appeals to YOU. This is bias.

In a hiring system without bias, you must utilize the process of least-worst candiate. In Googles hiring system, and all hiring systems, however, they can opt-out and not hire anyone.

In an election you have a choice:

a) vote for the candidate you like
b) vote for the least-bad candidate (this includes voting for someone because you like their party)
c) not vote

Unlike a hiring system, however, someone has to get the job.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on December 01, 2014, 08:01:01 pm
Someone had to get the job at google as well.

Otherwise they'd have no employees.

Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Kayne on December 01, 2014, 09:07:06 pm
Could someone do me a favour and explain what is bad about John Key?

I'm not repping the guy. It just seems every time I see "Fuck John Key" on face book, or hear it in real life, it's from someone who can't actually speak english, and usually has the most stupid and hypocritical opinion possible.

Without any sort of ...bias? stigma?... would someone be able to actually list points that make him such a "c*** dat deservs 2 gt fukin lintchd!"
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on December 01, 2014, 09:30:42 pm
jon key iz wers then hitler
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Lias on December 01, 2014, 09:53:42 pm
Could someone do me a favour and explain what is bad about John Key?

I'm not repping the guy. It just seems every time I see "Fuck John Key" on face book, or hear it in real life, it's from someone who can't actually speak english, and usually has the most stupid and hypocritical opinion possible.

Without any sort of ...bias? stigma?... would someone be able to actually list points that make him such a "c*** dat deservs 2 gt fukin lintchd!"

People hate him for various things, some of which others love him for.

Labels I personally think apply to him would be rich, white, arrogant, friendly, centrist, hypocritical, dishonest, forgetful, capitalistic, pro business, pro USA, pro copyright, pro IP, anti privacy, pro spying, pro asset sales, republican.

He's very popular with many people because he is friendly, and is seen as being "safe hands" to run the country economically. I voted him him in the 2008 and 2011 elections for that reason, even though I've never particularly liked him. I didn't vote for him this term, because my disquiet as some of his other policies and views has become strong enough that even though I still think he is the best for NZ economically, I couldn't stomach voting for him again.

The main things I personally dislike about him are his support for copyright/intellectual property law combined with his blind support for the US government (which is owned lock stock and barrel by US corporate interests), in particular his ongoing support of the NSA/5Eyes, and the TPPA. Also his arrogance and hypocrisy, the way he blatantly lies to the public and only admits it when he is caught out (albeit pretty much every politician is like that). That and his association with Cameron Slater, who is quite possibly the most vile human being (other than pedophiles) currently residing in New Zealand.

Have a read of his Wikipedia Entry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Key) for some background, and this NZ Herald article (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11367008) for some more recent stuff.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Kayne on December 01, 2014, 10:08:16 pm
I should buy you a box or something for writing that out Lias.

I'll have to give you the money because I look 12 years old.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Lias on December 01, 2014, 10:45:45 pm
I should buy you a box or something for writing that out Lias.

I'll have to give you the money because I look 12 years old.

HAANZ 18+ card
NZ drivers license
Passport

Only legal forms of ID around here matey.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Kayne on December 01, 2014, 10:53:02 pm
Everyone tries to scratch at mine, Then they try do the math (2014 - 1994, he's gotta be closer to 10 than 20), then they scratch at the card, they ask if I have a older brother... and then they ask if they're the first one to ask.

"Don't worry! It's a compliment!"

It's not :<
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Lias on December 01, 2014, 10:57:09 pm
Everyone tries to scratch at mine, Then they try do the math (2014 - 1994, he's gotta be closer to 10 than 20), then they scratch at the card, they ask if I have a older brother... and then they ask if they're the first one to ask.

"Don't worry! It's a compliment!"

It's not :<

NahI only tell the girls its a compliment.. guys I tell they are baby faced motherfuckers who gonna get ID'd at 40.

When XSANNZ and I lived together (and he's in his 30's) every time we went and got flat groceries and got beer he'd get ID'd.. Baby faced motherfucker lol.



Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Pitchey on December 01, 2014, 11:58:39 pm
Only because your face has all the style and panache of a baboons arse Lias!  :P
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on December 02, 2014, 09:05:24 am
I had a beard all this month, didn't get asked for ID once.

Shave it off, get asked for ID next day. I'm 30 in a week. I'm already telling kids to get off my lawn.


Kayne, grow a beard.

Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on December 02, 2014, 09:45:18 am
Lias did a good job at illustrating my contempt for John Key.

The guy is a rat faced goon who seems to have trademarked the response to ANY pressing matter - "at the end of the day, I can't comment when I don't have all the facts". You do have all the facts, and if you don't, then it's your job to have them you arrogant cunt.

I have friends who support him and National purely because "I don't like lazy dole bludgers", typical misinformed voters who go to the polls to vote for friends.

His constant campaigning for tighter security due to the rising terrorist threat is a paradox brought on by his constant campaigning for tighter security laws.

The majority of voters are idiots and I truly believe they've voted in Bush for a second term.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Pyromanik on December 02, 2014, 09:56:45 am
Third.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: The Demon Lord on December 02, 2014, 12:49:11 pm
Lias did a good job at illustrating my contempt for John Key.

The guy is a rat faced goon who seems to have trademarked the response to ANY pressing matter - "at the end of the day, I can't comment when I don't have all the facts". You do have all the facts, and if you don't, then it's your job to have them you arrogant cunt.

I have friends who support him and National purely because "I don't like lazy dole bludgers", typical misinformed voters who go to the polls to vote for friends.

His constant campaigning for tighter security due to the rising terrorist threat is a paradox brought on by his constant campaigning for tighter security laws.

The majority of voters are idiots and I truly believe they've voted in Bush for a second term.


(http://www.whatstax.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/govt-spending-09-10-large.jpg)

http://www.treasury.govt.nz/government/expenditure (http://www.treasury.govt.nz/government/expenditure)

From the Governments own websites - somewhere between 30-45% of Tax is spent on Social security and Welfare which is curiously about the same percentage that the Govt collects from Income tax:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/New_Zealand_Revenue_2005-06.png)

so yes, I don't like lazy dole blodgers because all of the money which I pay in Tax from my hard work pretty much goes straight to people who aren't working.

Teflon John maybe a smug git to whom nothing that should stick does, but please don't deride people who are upset about the amount the NZ Govt spends on Social Security and Welfare (and fleeces those that work in the form of Tax) as 'typical misinformed voters'
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on December 02, 2014, 01:13:07 pm
I voted for John Key, because Dotcom doesn't like him, and I don't like Dotcom.

But I don't understand why Key associates with Slater. Salter looks like a blob of snot dressed up in clothes.


At the end of the day (he), while other parties had some good policies (aka Labour, Green) they always shot themselves in the foot with one big stupid policy which just turned me right off. That left National as the least bad option for me, which I'm happy with.


But I'm not liking this warrantless surveillance stuff...

Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Retardobot on December 02, 2014, 02:53:37 pm
Teflon John maybe a smug git to whom nothing that should stick does, but please don't deride people who are upset about the amount the NZ Govt spends on Social Security and Welfare (and fleeces those that work in the form of Tax) as 'typical misinformed voters'

My point was to not attack those who believe strongly about welfare spending. However using it as a reason to vote for National was and is a cop-out purely because you're unable to come to a reasonable conclusion on who you want to vote for. It's a polarising topic at every election and no parties that get in seem to really make any outward attempt at making a difference to whether you're for it or against it.

It's the shopping voucher of voting.

"I have no idea what to get Shitty McDiddler, so I'll just buy him a voucher so it looks like I care".

Going to the polls because you don't like dole bludgers is weak.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: The Demon Lord on December 02, 2014, 03:11:20 pm
Going to the polls because you don't like dole bludgers is weak.

Its no weaker or stronger than any other reason to go to the Polls - In fact given the info above, I'd actually say its a pretty strong reason to go to the polls.

The real question should be however - Has National done or is doing anything to objectively reduce the Welfare spend?

Historically Labour has overspent on Welfare (IMO) and National tends to underspend - so after a decade of Labour spending my hard earned tax so that others can sit on their arse, I too would be inclined to vote national (except there are other National policies that I strongly disagree with)
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Tandoori on December 02, 2014, 04:26:44 pm
I might yet come back to pick apart some comments about both politics and political systems generally. That tl;dr of those comments probably amounts to: don't focus on the PM - there's a whole caucus behind him that shapes policy and; for God's sake, vote - you're a fucking idiot if you don't.

In the mean time however, I would just like to point out that 'dole bludgers' are typically conceived as being those on unemployment benefits (and sometimes the DPB).

In reality, the overwhelming majority of spending on social welfare goes to Superannuatants. Without picking through the Crown Accounts, I recall that Superannuation expenditure was approximately fourteen times that expended on the Unemployment benefit (although its probably worth noting that Accomodation Supplements may also be received by those on the unemployment benefit - and that expenditure is about 13% of that of Superannuation).

There's also about 640,000 people receiving Super versus 295,000 receiving some form of Unemployment or job-seeker benefit.

What's pertinent here is that we know the Government has repeatedly made comments that it was not willing, in spite of overwhelming evidence about the increasing strain on the Crown's finances, change Super eligibility. Currently, it's not means-tested and the age of eligibility is, arguably, becoming further and further out of touch with the new reality of working lives which can go far beyond 65 (with the assistance of better medical care). That policy position has rested on the tenuous argument that the Prime Minister made an electoral commitment to not raise the age of eligibility. Given that this same Prime Minister has proven himself willing to break similar promises in the name of fiscal responsibility (remember the promise of no increase to GST?), it seems a matter of politics alone that prevents us reducing the pressures of Super on the Crown Accounts (and by logic, our tax system).

Remember this is all occurring in the context of a seven-fold increase in public debt under this Government. Of course, that's not a comprehensive indicator of the quality of fiscal policy, but it's also something that we should bear in mind when we start crediting this government with being sound managers of the economy.

Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Bounty Hunter on December 02, 2014, 05:46:17 pm
It annoys the shit out of me when people are like "ALL DEBT IS DEFINITELY VERY BAD"
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Kayne on December 02, 2014, 10:22:40 pm
Another question - Do any of you political peoples watch parliament TV?

Does it answer any questions or is it just a big room filled with big children trying to see who can say the best come back?
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Tandoori on December 03, 2014, 07:13:00 am
Another question - Do any of you political peoples watch parliament TV?

Does it answer any questions or is it just a big room filled with big children trying to see who can say the best come back?
It's good for a giggle, and it can be quite enlightening insofar as you can see the faces MPs (under pressure or on attack). But it's really just the rubber-stamp to make law. Therefore, it's only really interesting when it manages to hold up laws that the Government wants to pass or when parliament passes laws that weren't on the Government's agenda.

You should familiarise yourself with our constitutional arrangements if you want to understand what's really going on. Scan over the Cabinet Manual and learn about the process of government. Process and timing determine the political agenda.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Xsannz on December 03, 2014, 09:45:15 am
Everyone tries to scratch at mine, Then they try do the math (2014 - 1994, he's gotta be closer to 10 than 20), then they scratch at the card, they ask if I have a older brother... and then they ask if they're the first one to ask.

"Don't worry! It's a compliment!"

It's not :<

NahI only tell the girls its a compliment.. guys I tell they are baby faced motherfuckers who gonna get ID'd at 40.

When XSANNZ and I lived together (and he's in his 30's) every time we went and got flat groceries and got beer he'd get ID'd.. Baby faced motherfucker lol.

did movember stopped getting id's, shaved because my 7 year old didn't like my beard and mo,

6 month old cried and wouldn't let me hold her for a few hours till she cottoned on it was me and the 7 year old and wife was happy, but now back to being id'd for buying toilet roll and bear again.  FML
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: The Demon Lord on December 03, 2014, 12:19:57 pm
for God's sake, vote - you're a fucking idiot if you don't.


If I look passed the Ad Hominem - what have you got to back up the same tired Rhetorhic about Voting?

Convince me that active voter participation increases a countries prosperity or adds other benefits.

(http://public.tableausoftware.com/static/images/OE/OECDcitizenshipstats/Voterturnout/1_rss.png)

Sure, there are some countries (like Australia) that are ahead of us, but are we more developed than say Switzerland or Norway?

but there are also countries like Turkey and Chile who vote more than us, but I would say lag behind NZ in terms of development.

I would put forward that national psyche and allocation of natural resources has far more to do with the prosperity of a country than voter turn out.


In the mean time however, I would just like to point out that 'dole bludgers' are typically conceived as being those on unemployment benefits (and sometimes the DPB).

In reality, the overwhelming majority of spending on social welfare goes to Superannuatants. Without picking through the Crown Accounts, I recall that Superannuation expenditure was approximately fourteen times that expended on the Unemployment benefit (although its probably worth noting that Accomodation Supplements may also be received by those on the unemployment benefit - and that expenditure is about 13% of that of Superannuation).

There's also about 640,000 people receiving Super versus 295,000 receiving some form of Unemployment or job-seeker benefit.

What's pertinent here is that we know the Government has repeatedly made comments that it was not willing, in spite of overwhelming evidence about the increasing strain on the Crown's finances, change Super eligibility. Currently, it's not means-tested and the age of eligibility is, arguably, becoming further and further out of touch with the new reality of working lives which can go far beyond 65 (with the assistance of better medical care). That policy position has rested on the tenuous argument that the Prime Minister made an electoral commitment to not raise the age of eligibility. Given that this same Prime Minister has proven himself willing to break similar promises in the name of fiscal responsibility (remember the promise of no increase to GST?), it seems a matter of politics alone that prevents us reducing the pressures of Super on the Crown Accounts (and by logic, our tax system).

Remember this is all occurring in the context of a seven-fold increase in public debt under this Government. Of course, that's not a comprehensive indicator of the quality of fiscal policy, but it's also something that we should bear in mind when we start crediting this government with being sound managers of the economy.


if 1/14th (as you claim) is being spent on those unemployed - then that is still about the same as what we spend on our Armed Forces (for example) - imagine if that was put into say upgrading NZs 3rd world infrastructure.

Although further reading indicates that Superannuation is responsible for just half of the Social Security and Welfare spending, with unemployment and domestic purposes making up 16% each.

http://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-nz/00PLSocRP00141/977146ac6bc6d8ebcbcc264628090ec9c2f73fe6 (http://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-nz/00PLSocRP00141/977146ac6bc6d8ebcbcc264628090ec9c2f73fe6)

Both Categories contain a significant proportion of people who could be considered dole bludging - and considering that makes up nearly a 3rd of the spend (which equates to $7 Bn or so) then I think my stance is more than justified
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Tandoori on December 03, 2014, 01:16:48 pm
Well I certainly wouldn't advocate doubling the Defence Force budget at the expense of Unemployment support - given that the Defence Force seemingly is just a very expensive form of Unemployment relief!

Also you need to do your further reading bearing in mind that it's now 2014 - that document you linked is outdated. We've had significant welfare reform and population changes since then.


 This (http://www.treasury.govt.nz/government/financialstatements/yearend/jun14snapshot/fsgnz-snap-jun14.pdf) provides some infographics without breaking down sections into too much detail. They key point i would make here is that the 4.5bn figure on p.5 is made up about 5 benefits - and the Unemployment benefit is the smallest of those.

http://www.treasury.govt.nz/government/financialstatements/yearend/jun14 (http://www.treasury.govt.nz/government/financialstatements/yearend/jun14)


'idiot' in the truest sense of the word - An Athenian too ignorant to contribute to or participate in public affairs (the opposite of the ideal Aristotelian citizen).

There's also the correlation between intelligence and voting, but let's park that can of worms.

I'm advocate voting because it's the simplest means of exercising political agency (and the impact is marginally greater when turnout is low - your lack of voting makes my vote stronger). Also Democracy goddamnit! Democracy and Capitalism. These two things are super important for prosperity. And the thing about capitalism is that needs good governance, sound enforcement of property rights and competition. Democracy is a great foil for market failure.

Systems are only as good as their inputs. Democracy needs public participation (voting and more). There is no viable alternative to democracy that I can see would provide the same level of prosperity in the long term.

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I would put forward that national psyche and allocation of natural resources has far more to do with the prosperity of a country than voter turn out.


These things are determined to some extent by voters.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: The Demon Lord on December 03, 2014, 01:53:34 pm
There is no viable alternative to democracy that I can see would provide the same level of prosperity in the long term.

Benevolent Demon-tatorship
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on December 03, 2014, 02:41:59 pm
I do like Winston, he does seam to be more honest then other politicians.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11368253 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11368253)
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on December 03, 2014, 09:09:35 pm
Denmark gone dun pushed us off as least corrupt country.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/63799601/NZ-no-longer-least-corrupt (http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/63799601/NZ-no-longer-least-corrupt)

Title: Financial Information Request!
Post by: Tiwaking! on December 03, 2014, 10:59:01 pm
Can someone please confirm for me if the unemployment rate has increased in New Zealand?

Also, has the deficit increased or decreased? I know that we are definitely not getting a surplus next year, but finding information about Nationals economic progression seems to be a battle of bias.
edit:
Denmark gone dun pushed us off as least corrupt country.

I wonder if I can bet money somewhere that we will never be number 1 again?
Also: Source:
http://www.transparency.org/cpi2014/results (http://www.transparency.org/cpi2014/results)
Title: Re: Financial Information Request!
Post by: Tandoori on December 04, 2014, 07:37:07 am
Over what period, tiwa?

http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/income-and-work/employment_and_unemployment/HouseholdLabourForceSurvey_HOTPSep14qtr.aspx (http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/income-and-work/employment_and_unemployment/HouseholdLabourForceSurvey_HOTPSep14qtr.aspx)

Deficit has decreased for last three years, but not in surplus yet.

http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/forecasts/prefu2014/016.htm (http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/forecasts/prefu2014/016.htm)

The next forecast will be the Half Year Economic and Fiscal Update (HYEFU) 2014 which will be published on Tuesday 16 December 2014, at 1pm.
Title: Economy in Peril
Post by: Tiwaking! on December 15, 2014, 09:01:08 pm
Over what period, tiwa?

[url]http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/income-and-work/employment_and_unemployment/HouseholdLabourForceSurvey_HOTPSep14qtr.aspx[/url] ([url]http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/income-and-work/employment_and_unemployment/HouseholdLabourForceSurvey_HOTPSep14qtr.aspx[/url])

Deficit has decreased for last three years, but not in surplus yet.

[url]http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/forecasts/prefu2014/016.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/forecasts/prefu2014/016.htm[/url])

The next forecast will be the Half Year Economic and Fiscal Update (HYEFU) 2014 which will be published on Tuesday 16 December 2014, at 1pm.
Thanks Tandoori! Those were the charts I was looking for. There were lots of articles with similar combined charts, but none of them quoted their source.
News just in: New Zealand Economy is bad

Why? Inequality
http://www.oecd.org/newsroom/inequality-hurts-economic-growth.htm (http://www.oecd.org/newsroom/inequality-hurts-economic-growth.htm)
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Rising inequality is estimated to have knocked more than 10 percentage points off growth in Mexico and New Zealand over the past two decades up to the Great Recession. In Italy, the United Kingdom and the United States, the cumulative growth rate would have been six to nine percentage points higher had income disparities not widened, but also in Sweden, Finland and Norway, although from low levels. On the other hand, greater equality helped increase GDP per capita in Spain, France and Ireland prior to the crisis.
 
The paper finds new evidence that the main mechanism through which inequality affects growth is by undermining education opportunities for children from poor socio-economic backgrounds, lowering social mobility and hampering skills development.
 
People whose parents have low levels of education see their educational outcomes deteriorate as income inequality rises. By contrast, there is little or no effect on people with middle or high levels of parental educational background.
 
The impact of inequality on growth stems from the gap between the bottom 40 percent with the rest of society, not just the poorest 10 percent. Anti-poverty programmes will not be enough, says the OECD. Cash transfers and increasing access to public services, such as high-quality education, training and healthcare, are an essential social investment to create greater equality of opportunities in the long run.
National will do nothing to solve inequality

GG guys. Next election I am voting for China
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Tandoori on December 15, 2014, 10:43:00 pm
I wouldn't be so quick to throw hyperboles around.

Eric Crampton (of the New Zealand Initiative - formerly the Business Roundtable) comes to the defence of the economic consensus:

http://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.co.nz/2014/12/oecd-on-inequality.html (http://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.co.nz/2014/12/oecd-on-inequality.html)

And some twitter talk:
https://twitter.com/bernardchickey/status/542206588182745088 (https://twitter.com/bernardchickey/status/542206588182745088)
Title: OECD report and inequality
Post by: Tiwaking! on December 15, 2014, 11:43:31 pm
I wouldn't be so quick to throw hyperboles around.

Eric Crampton (of the New Zealand Initiative - formerly the Business Roundtable) comes to the defence of the economic consensus:

[url]http://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.co.nz/2014/12/oecd-on-inequality.html[/url] ([url]http://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.co.nz/2014/12/oecd-on-inequality.html[/url])

And some twitter talk:
[url]https://twitter.com/bernardchickey/status/542206588182745088[/url] ([url]https://twitter.com/bernardchickey/status/542206588182745088[/url])
Yeah, I had a look at the statistics page on New Zealand inequality and it seems that it is not as bad as the oecd is saying either.
http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/snapshots-of-nz/nz-social-indicators/Home/Standard%20of%20living/income-inequality.aspx (http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/snapshots-of-nz/nz-social-indicators/Home/Standard%20of%20living/income-inequality.aspx)
(http://www.stats.govt.nz/~/media/Statistics/Sub-sites/Social/content/DynamicGraphs/Standard%20of%20Living/income-inequality.png)
Not sure if the oecd guys are seeing something different, but I'd bet money on their prediction rather than our one. Predictions might be have been different if we still had a competent Business Roundtable
edit: Still voting for China though. Chinese language is a requirement for the CraFarms down south. Filipino is acceptable too
Title: Re: OECD report and inequality
Post by: Tandoori on December 16, 2014, 10:33:02 am
Chinese language is a requirement for the CraFarms down south. Filipino is acceptable too

Source?
Title: CraFarms Mandarin
Post by: Tiwaking! on December 16, 2014, 01:08:36 pm
Chinese language is a requirement for the CraFarms down south. Filipino is acceptable too

Source?
I'll take a picture of the adverts at the Southern Institute of Technology, but they are entirely in Mandarin.

They're up everywhere because they are recruiting the International Students who cant go home for the holidays
Title: Schools Out For Summer!
Post by: Tiwaking! on December 17, 2014, 02:02:14 pm
Chinese language is a requirement for the CraFarms down south. Filipino is acceptable too

Source?
The Southern Institute of Technology is currently closed. I forgot it was school holidays already.

If the posters are still up next year then I'll get a picture of them. I am curious to know if they were employment requests for workers or if they were management level
Title: Worst Government Ever
Post by: Tiwaking! on March 06, 2015, 07:12:48 pm
So.

Now we have a government that doesn't fulfill any of its promises, doesn't appear to be able to ever fulfill any of its promises, and to top it all of has ruined New Zealands international reputation for all time. (http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/snowden-docs-show-extent-nz-spying-south-pacific-nations-ns-169591)

Thanks for playing "Everyones A Loser" guys
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on March 06, 2015, 09:01:55 pm
Yeah, na.

Our reputation is hardly ruined.

Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Craigor on March 07, 2015, 12:27:15 pm
Reputation?

What is New Zealand again? is that a Suburb in a city in Australia?
Title: New Zealand Bollywood
Post by: Tiwaking! on March 07, 2015, 12:50:51 pm
Reputation?

What is New Zealand again? is that a Suburb in a city in Australia?
New Zealand!!

Its full of sheep, hobbits, Bollywood stars, and people willing to spy on small south pacific sovereignties and give that information to western imperialistic powers.
Title: Government Surplus 2015
Post by: Tiwaking! on October 14, 2015, 01:58:09 pm
I see the National Government have finally announced their first ever surplus
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/73009393/nz-government-records-414-million-surplus (http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/73009393/nz-government-records-414-million-surplus)
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A higher than expected tax take has boosted the Government's books on the way to a $414 million surplus - the first since it came to power in 2008 and a significant political victory for Finance Minister Bill English.

However, English has refused to commit the Government to achieving surpluses in the coming years, while he also said there would be a high hurdle in place for bringing forward planned tax cuts.

News of the surplus is no surprise, with the Labour Party conceding it was coming in a press release on Tuesday.

Of course you're going to get a higher than expected tax take you complete bastards. In 2010 National increased GST from 12.5% to 15% so you would expect to get more tax after squeezing everything dry you skiving mingebag.
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But the official confirmation comes months after English had played down the Government's goal that it would come into surplus by 2014/15, instead predicting a small deficit.

Instead, it has recorded a $414m surplus for the last financial year, 0.2 per cent of GDP, and an operating balance surplus of $5.8 billion.

The Treasury's financial statements said the Government's books had been boosted by a $5.1b increase in core Crown tax revenue, higher than an expected and an $8.2 per cent increase compared to the previous year.

"Robust growth" in the construction, household consumption and tourism sectors had largely underpinned the increase in tax revenue, while core Crown expenses had remained relatively flat, increasing only $1.2b.

Core Crown debt had increased by $700m, but fallen as an overall percentage of GDP.

The core Crown revenue for 2014/15 was $72.2b, with core expenses of $72.4b.
I would expect this to be the last ever surplus due to Chinese investors abandoning the overpriced and now heavily regulated real estate market in Auckland.
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on October 14, 2015, 02:17:30 pm
There's no winning with some people I guess.

They announce a deficit, they get criticised.
They announce a surplus, they get criticised.
They raise benefits, they get criticised.


Title: Goverments = Institutionalized Gangsters
Post by: Tiwaking! on October 14, 2015, 02:24:49 pm
There's no winning with some people I guess.

They announce a deficit, they get criticised.
CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING!
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They announce a surplus, they get criticised.
DECREASE TAXES
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They raise benefits, they get criticised.
FUCK THE POOR! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBuC_0-d-9Y)
Title: Re: ELECTION 2014
Post by: Clin on October 14, 2015, 02:35:18 pm
lol and holy shit that's an amazing concept