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General => Technology & Hardware => Topic started by: Retardobot on March 18, 2015, 08:33:45 pm
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I've just made the first step. This thread will serve as a build log with photos.
Have just ordered one of these - an Ncase M1 V3
(http://i.imgur.com/6pHiL4N.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/tOzS39w.jpg).
Not cheap. $185USD. Started via crowdsourcing on Indigogo and built from 100% aluminium by the hands of Lian Li. $319 to get it to NZ.
Updates to come when case arrives.
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+1 I want it.........
i7k or i5k cpu for this build?
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Gonna be an i5.
I've yet to see a reason for splurging out on an i7.
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Gonna be an i5.
I've yet to see a reason for splurging out on an i7.
Adds an extra 2 Inches to your E-Penis
but in seriousness - all my Gaming rig builds have been I7 based - but thats casue I run Hyper-V (for work testing stuff at home) and also for Audio recording.
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I didn't really feel a big step up from the 5 to the 7 but I think it was worth it.
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Sweet i5k + a H60SE cooler? Thoughts yet on gfx card? 970GTX maybe
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Sweet i5k + a H60SE cooler? Thoughts yet on gfx card? 970GTX maybe
I'm thinking an H100i and at this stage a 970 yeah. Will see what nvidia is offering when I'm ready to grab the GPU.
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amd 390x is out soon RII
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Not really interested in AMD this time round. Card also has to have an exhaust fan.
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Sweet i5k + a H60SE cooler? Thoughts yet on gfx card? 970GTX maybe
I'm thinking an H100i and at this stage a 970 yeah. Will see what nvidia is offering when I'm ready to grab the GPU.
H100i is most likely overkill for an i5, although you will be able to run it super silent with an oc :). Build the system and use onboard gfx until you get a dedicated card might be an option.
-1 to amd they pulled the pin on mantle, run hot or require 5fans & power hungry.
You may need to get CL or PBtech to order external exhausting card for your build? Can't find any currently listed
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Damn, just had a look and you're right, no exhaust based GPUs.
A month or 2 off ordering a GPU (ordering case, PSU and RAM first as the market for these items are pretty stable).
Case should be here next week. Paid $40USD (includes insurance) for air shipping and having it shipped to the Mrs. work (Air Force base) which means it will be prioritised through any custom shenanigans it comes up against.
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I like that case. I looked at buying one. They do not have any without DVD in stock. I did not buy one.
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It's a slot loading DVD that takes up minimal space that sits in the gap up front so minimal difference.
I have a lot of games on physical media (and buy physical media games) so was super keen for one.
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What's the diff about the GPU you are talking about, does the rear type cost more, why not just get a closed loop cooler for ya GPU, would it not open the door for gpu selection to every brand then?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7719/nzxt-kraken-g10-review-liquid-cooling-for-your-gpu (http://www.anandtech.com/show/7719/nzxt-kraken-g10-review-liquid-cooling-for-your-gpu)
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What's the diff about the GPU you are talking about, does the rear type cost more, why not just get a closed loop cooler for ya GPU, would it not open the door for gpu selection to every brand then?
[url]http://www.anandtech.com/show/7719/nzxt-kraken-g10-review-liquid-cooling-for-your-gpu[/url] ([url]http://www.anandtech.com/show/7719/nzxt-kraken-g10-review-liquid-cooling-for-your-gpu[/url])
He would need gpu like this https://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?InventoryItemId=616527 (https://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?InventoryItemId=616527) due to Itx/SFF case size you want to limit the amount of heat dump, using an external exhausting card or reference spits it all out the arse. The AIO cooler you linked would work also but his CPU AIO cooler will be taking that available spot.
For some reason the current fad is to have as many fans possible on a gpu which is fine for large cases, not so much for SFF which is the latest case fad
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If worse comes to worse, I suppose I could by a 3rd market cooler.
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...physical media...
What is?
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If worse comes to worse, I suppose I could by a 3rd market cooler.
is that made in the 3rd world sweat shops?
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That was a bit of a turd.^
Was hoping to receive some sort of a payment confirmation from Ncase by now.
I'm half expecting them to email and say "sorry, due to high demand we will be unable to full fill your order until the year 3030".
Apparently the case was made available for pre-order in December. I couldn't find anywhere on the website that said anything about no stock or limited product run. Just that the case will be sent out as soon as payment is confirmed from PayPal.
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That was a bit of a turd.^
Was hoping to receive some sort of a payment confirmation from Ncase by now.
I'm half expecting them to email and say "sorry, due to high demand we will be unable to full fill your order until the year 3030".
Apparently the case was made available for pre-order in December. I couldn't find anywhere on the website that said anything about no stock or limited product run. Just that the case will be sent out as soon as payment is confirmed from PayPal.
Bugger, hope you dont end up like your latest headphone debacle with mughty ape
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...physical media...
What is?
RII is always about the Physical :P
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isnt this card external venting?
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=24238 (http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=24238)
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It has an external vent, but that doesn't mean it vents externally. The shroud isn't complete, so it will still leak heat into the case.
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That's a premium price for a form factor that I don't really need (can take full sized GPU). I assume that card will run quote hot due to the small heatsink footprint it has.
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YUS!
Case has just been assigned a tracking number and is being shipped!
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YUS!
Case has just been assigned a tracking number and is being shipped!
YAY! Estimated shipping time?
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18 weeks
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YUS!
Case has just been assigned a tracking number and is being shipped!
YAY! Estimated shipping time?
1 week.
Hopefully it will be expedited once it hits NZ due to having it delivered to the Mrs. work (air force base).
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YUS!
Case has just been assigned a tracking number and is being shipped!
YAY! Estimated shipping time?
1 week.
Hopefully it will be expedited once it hits NZ due to having it delivered to the Mrs. work (air force base).
or held up longer and investigated as a Potential terror threat and WMD
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Hah, it has a supplier number attached to it which identifies it as goods ordered from base.
Next purchase will either be a Silverstone SFX PSU or a slot loading DVD drive.
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Hah, it has a supplier number attached to it which identifies it as goods ordered from base.
Next purchase will either be a Silverstone SFX PSU or a slot loading DVD drive.
Go for the SFX PSU next and mount it in case, then you can debate al your cable management terrors :)
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A sound proposal.
Mayhem - after a bit of advice dude.
Because I'm not buying everything in one massive hit, I can afford to splurge on components here and there where I think the money spent will be beneficial. With this in mind, I've taken into account your comment that the H100i would be overkill if I'm not going to be an OC enthusiast.
In theory, would it be a good idea to grab an H50 for the CPU and another closed loop liquid cooler for my GPU? I say in theory because having 2 individual 120mm rads may not fit into the dual 120mm rad area in the Ncase - also having 2 sets of tubing running in the Ncase might be impossible.
I have seen photos of people running a 120mm single fan rad on the outside of the M1 by screwing it on to the exhaust fan slot, but I'd like to keep everything on the inside of possible.
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A sound proposal.
Mayhem - after a bit of advice dude.
Because I'm not buying everything in one massive hit, I can afford to splurge on components here and there where I think the money spent will be beneficial. With this in mind, I've taken into account your comment that the H100i would be overkill if I'm not going to be an OC enthusiast.
In theory, would it be a good idea to grab an H50 for the CPU and another closed loop liquid cooler for my GPU? I say in theory because having 2 individual 120mm rads may not fit into the dual 120mm rad area in the Ncase - also having 2 sets of tubing running in the Ncase might be impossible.
I have seen photos of people running a 120mm single fan rad on the outside of the M1 by screwing it on to the exhaust fan slot, but I'd like to keep everything on the inside of possible.
Hmmmm, Definitely recommend the H60SE over the H50 for your CPU. for that extra $$ you get a better fan, tubing, heatsick/pump (the 50 is old 60).
Now if you wanted to run an additional AIO cooler for the GPU you run into clearance issues with the radiators (see image) as they are slightly longer then a 120mm fan slot to fit pump tubing and this will clash with each other. Been there done that with external mounted fans for radiators, would ruin the looks of such a small case also the V3 has a 92mm exhaust?
In all honesty an AIO GPU cooler set-up is not required now that you will be going with Nvidia, providing you get your hands on an external exhausting card. The 9 series cards run cooler and quieter then AMD counterparts while drawing less watts and if you want to run a less aggressive fan profile you can due to a much higher thermal overhead.
Here I found one for you :) http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=24422 (http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=24422)
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Thanks for the info!
Hmm, that's a good card, well priced. Might get 2.
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why not just make your own w/c loop with a double thick 120mm rad and run it with a higher flow rate and fan.
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why not just make your own w/c loop with a double thick 120mm rad and run it with a higher flow rate and fan.
Because effort/maintenance/weight/casesize/money/bored/notneeded.
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Mayhem is right.
It's an m-ITX (no room for pump/reservoir). I'm going with a closed loop pre-made kit because of cost and ease of installing. Making a custom loop is way too much effort. It's a project in of itself.
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why not just make your own w/c loop with a double thick 120mm rad and run it with a higher flow rate and fan.
Because effort/maintenance/weight/casesize/money/bored/notneeded.
Possibly the best post in GS yet.
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fair call, ive seen all in one res + pumps that would fit your needs, but i do see the point, i'll personally never build a full big watercooled rig again.
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Have been watching the track and trace like a god damn hawk.
Taiwan's Postal Service are probably worried they're getting a DDoS attack with the amount of times I'm refreshing the page.
Once it arrives, I'll begin a build log if anyone is keen. Will mean cleaning out this thread so I don't double up on threads.
Keen to post some videos of stuff going in other stuff (hnnggg).
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You found special flavour mobo to use yet? And would highly recommend going with a m.2 SSD during the build phase be near imposibro to fit one after.
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I've not settled on anything, but I only want a middle of the road mobo. One with wifi at the very least. Not interested in MEGA TURBO FSB, 47 CHANGING LED LIGHTS AND A ROBOTIC ARM TO WIPE YOUR ARSE ONCE YOU SHIT YOURSELF FROM SEEING THE PRICE TAG.
Also, case landed in Auckland this morning. Hopefully it doesn't hang around in customs too long.
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I've not settled on anything, but I only want a middle of the road mobo. One with wifi at the very least. Not interested in MEGA TURBO FSB, 47 CHANGING LED LIGHTS AND A ROBOTIC ARM TO WIPE YOUR ARSE ONCE YOU SHIT YOURSELF FROM SEEING THE PRICE TAG.
Also, case landed in Auckland this morning. Hopefully it doesn't hang around in customs too long.
I had a Gigabyte Z77n-wifi good bang for buck. Nice option http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=21830 (http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=21830)
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I had a Gigabyte Z77n-wifi good bang for buck. Nice option [url]http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=21830[/url] ([url]http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=21830[/url])
For whatever reason none of the Z97 boards have mSATA (on CL). Just something to be aware of.
The B85N version does though.
Only an issue if Rii wants mSATA.
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Mrs. just sent me some sexy nudes.
(http://i.imgur.com/Qi88DQB.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Xdzx2Wj.jpg)
Apparently it showed up this morning via NZPost. Not bad. Was shipped on the 26th, came from Taiwan. However for $40USD on shipping I'm glad I got my money's worth.
Will post more photos of it when I get my hands on her..I mean, It.
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I had a Gigabyte Z77n-wifi good bang for buck. Nice option [url]http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=21830[/url] ([url]http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=21830[/url])
For whatever reason none of the Z97 boards have mSATA (on CL). Just something to be aware of.
The B85N version does though.
Only an issue if Rii wants mSATA.
Ahh good spot, this one has m.2 for speedy ssd (mSATA's replacement) http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=21820 (http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=21820)
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except it looks like msata is on reverse...
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Ahh good spot, this one has m.2 for speedy ssd (mSATA's replacement) [url]http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=21820[/url] ([url]http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=21820[/url])
Wewt nice one. Didn't see that ASUS one.
M.2 ALMOST makes we want to rebuild my pc
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Holy crap this case is so much smaller than I anticipated. Monty Python DVD for scale.
(http://i.imgur.com/fBflkft.jpg)
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Holy crap this case is so much smaller than I anticipated. Monty Python DVD for scale.
No attachment?
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No attachment?
Fixed it.
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Hope to order an SFX PSU today.
Emailing CL see what they offer. Would rather order all my stuff from CL rather than mess around ordering bits and pieces from a million different suppliers. Creates a nightmare for any RMA's.
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As far as SSD's go, what's the best brand/model to grab?
Would like an 2.5" rather than an M.2 card.
Just want one large enough for OS install and a couple of games. The rest will be installed on external HDD's.
EDIT: Also, silent fans?
OCZ Arc100 240GB SSD seems to be the best bang for buck. Truth?
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OCZ Arc100 240GB SSD seems to be the best bang for buck. Truth?
Ehhh, it's cheaper. It's burst performance isn't quite up to the rest of them, but you probably won't notice much difference.
My recommendation goes out to the Crucial M series, or anything Samsung.
Silent fans, Noctua...?
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Silent fans, Noctua...?
I have some 120mm Noctuas in my HTPC, not cheap but very, very quiet
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Just ordered the Silverstone 500W 80Plus Gold SFX PSU and a set of Corsair 120 AF Quiet Edition fans. I couldn't justify the cost of Noctua's even though they may be better.
Will get the SSD and Mobo next pay.
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OCZ Arc100 240GB SSD seems to be the best bang for buck. Truth?
Ehhh, it's cheaper. It's burst performance isn't quite up to the rest of them, but you probably won't notice much difference.
My recommendation goes out to the Crucial M series, or anything Samsung.
Silent fans, Noctua...?
Samsung or Crucial SSD's always been my go to. +1 I have also used the noctuas (pricey) or the newish corsair fans (brand whore). Fractal has some nice fans also with white blades if your fussed about colouring
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Samsung or Crucial SSD's always been my go to. +1 I have also used the noctuas (pricey) or the newish corsair fans (brand whore). Fractal has some nice fans also with white blades if your fussed about colouring
Yeah I'm always hesitant to recommend Nocuta, they tend to polarize the community a bit. They are really great fans, I have a bunch of them in an old mATX build.
In saying that I also picked up the Corsair fans, and have 4 in my system. I wouldn't knock them, their build quality is great.
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It sounds superfluous but as well as the Corsairs being quiet editions, I was really sold on being able to change the coloured rings. $50 for 2 is a lot better on the wallet than roughly that price for one ugly as sin beige coloured Noctua. I've had Noctua's before and I never got used to the horrible colour.
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Hnnnnggg - so glad I handed out the extra cash for the GA-Z97N Gaming 5.
Dat red + black combo to go with my red+ black Corsair K70 keyboard and red + black corsair fans and red + black Mionix Naos mouse.
(http://i.imgur.com/L5kLVwI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ag2de6g.jpg)
Xbox controller for scale.
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You going to get Mushkin redline ram to go with colour theme?
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It's entirely possible. Will be in Auckland next weekend so will see what Playtech has in stock.
Are you able to link me the specific kind you had in mind?
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all 16gb kits 2x 8gb
2400 rated ram
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=24392 (http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=24392)
REALLY PLAYTECH?
if playtech then get these they are awesome
2400 rated
http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=254/ID=20768/SID=644365044/productdetails.html (http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=254/ID=20768/SID=644365044/productdetails.html)
or cheaper same size
1600 rated
http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=254/ID=20767/SID=644365044/productdetails.html (http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=254/ID=20767/SID=644365044/productdetails.html)
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Made an order with CL on the Wednesday (1st April) after emailing them most of the day enquiring about a few products, told them I would be making an order later on in the evening. Make order, wake up to them having an Easter Sale on Thursday. Felt a bit shafted that they didn't let me know they'd be having a sale. Admittedly the PSU I ordered didn't come under the sale due to not being in stock, but at that stage I was going to order an in stock SSD and fans.
Thanks for the links :D.
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Made an order with CL on the Wednesday (1st April) after emailing them most of the day enquiring about a few products, told them I would be making an order later on in the evening. Make order, wake up to them having an Easter Sale on Thursday. Felt a bit shafted that they didn't let me know they'd be having a sale. Admittedly the PSU I ordered didn't come under the sale due to not being in stock, but at that stage I was going to order an in stock SSD and fans.
Thanks for the links :D.
all good understandable but TBH i would take bad CL service over playtech any day of the week, but that's preference
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This thread is full of bad, bad words
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2400Mhz isn't needed, only get it if it makes no difference to the price. Anything over 1600 and you won't notice much (any) difference.
I have an aversion to Mushkin now too, I had 2 Blackline Ridgeback modules die on me.
Got me some Corsair Domainator now, shit is cash as hell.
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This thread is full of bad, bad words
VAGINA!
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This thread is full of bad, bad words
Time for some 4chan style auto word substitution? Everytime someone types "Playtech" it gets converted to "ShitCunt Computers Limited"
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Update:
Picked up an NZXT Kraken X31 AIO. Went for the NZXT over the Corsair as they both have the same CPU block and the NZXt has a slightly thicker rad with some pretty awesome software (variable pump management that can be controlled via a smartphone app).
Also grabbed a Samsung 250GB Evo 850. Next it'll be the RAM + optical drive.
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NICE...
what ram you going for?
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Not sure yet, dude.
Not looking for the fastest, break-neck speed so probably 1600MHz. Happy to pay a premium for quality rather than performance. However in saying that, I've never had RAM fail on me, have had RAM slots die though.
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1600Mhz is perfectly fine.
I had 1866 modules, and back when I gave a shit, and overclocked and benched each part. The ram makes fuck all difference.
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I used to be all "ZOMG LUK AT DEEZ TIMINGZ". I learnt that you're right, RAM speed makes fuck all difference unless you're trying to OC to stupid settings.
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Not sure yet, dude.
Not looking for the fastest, break-neck speed so probably 1600MHz. Happy to pay a premium for quality rather than performance. However in saying that, I've never had RAM fail on me, have had RAM slots die though.
tighter timingings like cas 4 are best.
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tighter timingings like cas 4 are best.
When was the last time you looked at RAM? 6 years ago? CAS4, is well gone.
Anything CL9 is fine, again, it also has very little affect on performance.
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tighter timingings like cas 4 are best.
When was the last time you looked at RAM? 6 years ago? CAS4, is well gone.
Anything CL9 is fine, again, it also has very little affect on performance.
actually 2 years ago had a brain fart was thinking of something else , i meant cl 9 ... 9-9-9-27, i miss the days of CL 7 ram
but again it is still not noticeable just get the best you can afford RII
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16GB of 1600mhz or 1866mhz if you can afford (few extra frames come through with the 1866 but fuck all more with anything higher). Personally I have 1600mhz but should have gone slightly higher.
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but it's all about the gigawatts, 2400 or bust, no homo.
are you going to paint flames on your case!!
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I'm thinking about printing something on the side panels.
Perhaps "JIZZTITS".
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Nahhhh, "Everyday I'm Rustling"
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Nahhhh, "Everyday I'm Rustling"
This is tempting.
"JIMMIES RUSTLER".
And every time I log in, a batch script plays "Hi James, time to rustle some jimmies".
In other news, ordered an i5 4690K Devil's Canyon today. Just need RAM and she'll be alive (and running on onboard GPU until I get my card in a few weeks).
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Nahhhh, "Everyday I'm Rustling"
This is tempting.
"JIMMIES RUSTLER".
And every time I log in, a batch script plays "Hi James, time to rustle some jimmies".
In other news, ordered an i5 4690K Devil's Canyon today. Just need RAM and she'll be alive (and running on onboard GPU until I get my card in a few weeks).
Nice. Was there much of a price difference between I5 & I7 cpu's?
Also what card have you found/going with? Bear in mind that 980ti is rumoured to be making an appearance in the coming months so should drop prices on the existing 970's & 980's.
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Between the devil canyon iterations? Yeah, a reasonable price jump from i5 to i7.
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thread needs more images, just not hosted on Iforce
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What graphics card have you got eyes on RIIIIIIIIIIII?
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This: http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/TURBOGTX970OC4GD5/ (http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/TURBOGTX970OC4GD5/)
But I've no idea when it's going to be available in NZ and I'm not ballsy enough to order via Amazon.
I want a 970, so my options are the lesser clocked ASUS or Gigabyte dwarf models of the 970 that have exhaust based coolers, or end up getting a 970 that just has an open cooler.
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Holy crap this case is so much smaller than I anticipated. Monty Python DVD for scale.
([url]http://i.imgur.com/fBflkft.jpg[/url])
That Monty Python DVD is huge!
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This: [url]http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/TURBOGTX970OC4GD5/[/url] ([url]http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/TURBOGTX970OC4GD5/[/url])
But I've no idea when it's going to be available in NZ and I'm not ballsy enough to order via Amazon.
I want a 970, so my options are the lesser clocked ASUS or Gigabyte dwarf models of the 970 that have exhaust based coolers, or end up getting a 970 that just has an open cooler.
It's available in Aus https://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?InventoryItemId=619456 (https://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?InventoryItemId=619456) surely a local supplier should be able to make a special order for gobbies?
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Hmm, interdasting!
I had emailed both CL and Playtech about availability last week but haven't had any reply yet.
Sent another email off to CL today, hopefully I get a response.
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Wow thats a nice looking card
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Latest photos after CPU + cooler install.
Cooler has fucking long tubes. Not really confident to cut them and re-seal, if that's even possible so I've just had to curl them up.
Shit is going to get messy real fast when cables start going in...
(http://i.imgur.com/fUaDSIU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/AXoKuNS.jpg)
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What config have you gone with fans for exhaust/intake? Personally I would have both corsair reds intake and the cpu AIO exhausting.
Will look good with that Asus 970
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The white fan which is the AIO fan is intake, I'm unable to position it so it's exhaust. Corsair fan next to it is exhaust, and the corsair fan on the bottom is intake again. The bottom fan is intake as I want it to be blowing fresh cool air onto the GPU.
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Kind of want to go the m-ITX route now...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjDJNwAANwA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjDJNwAANwA)
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Tis' bitter sweet.
Tomorrow I order RAM and optical drive (I have a large collection of physical media, and am still a fan of it over digital distribution).
I get to see my machine up and running (minus a GPU, that will come in the next few weeks, O/B GPU FTL) but I also have to spend a few hours on cable management once everything is plugged in - le sigh. Never done cable management in a case this friggin' small.
Haven't decided on RAM yet, will probably be a 5 min decision once I look at Computerlounge.co.nz. $250 budget for 16GB.
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Tis' bitter sweet.
Tomorrow I order RAM and optical drive (I have a large collection of physical media, and am still a fan of it over digital distribution).
I get to see my machine up and running (minus a GPU, that will come in the next few weeks, O/B GPU FTL) but I also have to spend a few hours on cable management once everything is plugged in - le sigh. Never done cable management in a case this friggin' small.
Haven't decided on RAM yet, will probably be a 5 min decision once I look at Computerlounge.co.nz. $250 budget for 16GB.
Decision made = http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=24219 (http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=24219) I have the corsair stuff but brand whore. Same timings & speed $40 price reduction to allow increased grapefruit purchases..... (or increased budget for the right gpu)
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BUUUTTTT CORSAIR!
Totally agree with ML though.
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Thanks Mayhem :D
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BUUUTTTT CORSAIR!
Totally agree with ML though.
Corsair does = +20 wank factor with build log photos...... BUT Riis cable management gone be so bad never see the brands :/
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Dis ^
Everything is going to be hidden :(
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D-DAY!
Just emailing CL before I make the order. Trying to find out if they've had any customers who've ordered one of their stocked slim slot loading drives and put it in an Ncase. A bit worried that whatever one I get wont line up with the eject slot on the chassis itself.
Will be ordering the Mushkin Blackline stuff as well, thanks again ML :)
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Stinkfist.
CL wont be getting the ASUS card due to no interest from the market for blower fans.
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Stinkfist.
CL wont be getting the ASUS card due to no interest from the market for blower fans.
Ahh the peasants of the world with XL/ATX sized cases ruining it for those with M-itx builds. Any others using non blower cards in the n-case?
Also you may still be able to find reference 980's or 970's from MightyApe.... not sure if I would go down that route (some comments on the listed cards having incorrect specs for cards received)
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ass, i got the same response about that card from them,,as i wanted 2 for a small sli build i was doing.
danm you think us wanting 3 between us might have been enough
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Ordered stuff yesterday, order still sitting at pending, emailed CL asking if there was anything wrong. Turns out RAM isn't available and they just forgot to let me know. CL have offered to bump me up to the Kingston HyperX 16gb kit for no extra charge, which is awesome except the Kingston have huge heat spreaders which could cause me grief with the minimum room i have in the Ncase. Have asked if they can swap them for the Corsair Vengeance kit instead, with the low profile heat spreaders.
<3 CL.
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CL have gotten back to me, Corsairs aren't in stock either.
Should I wait for these to come in - http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=21849 (http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=21849)
Or get these now - http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=19196 (http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=19196)
The Kingston's shouldn't be too much of a hindrance with their large heat spreaders, I don't have a giant CPU block sitting next to them.
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get the kingstons
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Grabbed the Kingstons - all they appeared to have available.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO not kingston ;-)
Good shit, so close to having it running
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The beast will live.
CL just shipped my stuff on Saturday delivery.
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Zzzzzzzz
Stuff arrived, but neither Ncase ot LG have provided tiny screws to fasten in the slot loading DVD drive. So I need to source some along with a power converter for the drive.
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Zzzzzzzz
Stuff arrived, but neither Ncase ot LG have provided tiny screws to fasten in the slot loading DVD drive. So I need to source some along with a power converter for the drive.
blacks fastners best bet for tiny screws
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Found some screws. Just need a power connector for the slim DVD drive. Also need fan power converters for the PSU.
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(http://i.imgur.com/UJCQ6xp.jpg)
Cable tying went a lot better than expected. Managed to re-adjust the AIO so the tubing isn't such a massive turd. Everything is whisper quiet, however this is with the pump on default speed along with the fans on normal (700 - 900RPMs). CPU is idling at 25.C @4GHz (default is 3.5GHz, but it looks like by default, the motherboard does a soft clock up to 4GHz, which is cool).
Haven't managed to install an OS yet as I've been having a poke around in the BIOS. BIOS UI's now are so freakin' cool. Mouse accessible and smooth as butter. Ordered a power cable for the slim DVD drive and need to reach into storage to grab my Win 7 install discs. You'll see on the DVD drive that I have a bit of cardboard packing out the space between the bracket and the drive. The screw holes on that side didn't line up with the drive and the bracket, but they did on the opposite side. Cardboard is lined with double sided tape to keep the drive from vibrating too much when its spinning up a disc. DIY FTW.
NO GPU yet. I'm contemplating buying a sleeved set of power cables so I have more plyability over my cables (the clearance between the modular cable connections on the PSU and where the GPU PCB will sit worries me a bit).
It also turns out I didn't need any power converters for the fans, there's a female splitter on the AIO that takes 2 fans while a plug on the AIO water block takes up a fan header.
Very excite.
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Windows is on.
Pretty impressed with the onboard Intel 4600 HD GPU. Am able to run WiDi (wireless display) to my Sony Bravia.
Quick as lightning, 7 second boot from a cold start on the Samsung 850 Evo SSD. CPU idles at 23.C on the silent fan/pump profile.
Looking at grabbing this - http://www.msi.com/product/vga/GTX-970-GAMING-4G.html#hero-overview (http://www.msi.com/product/vga/GTX-970-GAMING-4G.html#hero-overview) as it's the next best thing to not being able to get a blower style card. You're able to control the fan speed of each individual fan which is awesome, considering the card will have a 120MM Corsair blowing on it as well. Hopefully Computer Lounge can get one in.
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Windows is on.
Pretty impressed with the onboard Intel 4600 HD GPU. Am able to run WiDi (wireless display) to my Sony Bravia.
Quick as lightning, 7 second boot from a cold start on the Samsung 850 Evo SSD. CPU idles at 23.C on the silent fan/pump profile.
Looking at grabbing this - [url]http://www.msi.com/product/vga/GTX-970-GAMING-4G.html#hero-overview[/url] ([url]http://www.msi.com/product/vga/GTX-970-GAMING-4G.html#hero-overview[/url]) as it's the next best thing to not being able to get a blower style card. You're able to control the fan speed of each individual fan which is awesome, considering the card will have a 120MM Corsair blowing on it as well. Hopefully Computer Lounge can get one in.
The problem with using a non blower style card in these type of builds (mini-tx) is all the gpu heat dump inside the case. You would want bottom fan intake and the 2 x side panels fans (including cpu cooler) exhausting. Give it a shot the 9 series nvidia cards are super cool regardless so you should be ok.......... My recommendation is still blower style gpu but do some research Other people would be in the same boat as you.
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I have 0 option for a blower style.
No one is stocking any and I'm not going to fall into the trap of ordering from a US/AUS supplier. I've had more GPU's fail on me than any other component, so doing an RMA Amazon would be a nightmare.
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What about
http://dragonpc.co.nz/p.aspx?304584 (http://dragonpc.co.nz/p.aspx?304584)
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I've never heard of Galax and DragonPC had a pretty horrific name for themselves a little while ago.
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Galaxy branded cards have been around forever. It's a sub brand of Palit, which is a huge manufacturer, easily one of if not the biggest GPU manufacturers in existence. Gainward, XpertVision and Galaxy are all sub brands. Pretty much on par with Sapphire, relatively generic OEM/ODM cards for the most part.
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Also, card he linked on Pricespy, if you don't like DragonPC.
http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=2810711 (http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=2810711)
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Galaxy branded cards have been around forever. It's a sub brand of Palit, which is a huge manufacturer, easily one of if not the biggest GPU manufacturers in existence. Gainward, XpertVision and Galaxy are all sub brands. Pretty much on par with Sapphire, relatively generic OEM/ODM cards for the most part.
I know who Galaxy are. You're right, they've been around for ever. Box-art says Galax.
Which after me just Googling for 30 seconds, turns out are Galaxy - http://www.galaxytechus.com/__US__/Home6 (http://www.galaxytechus.com/__US__/Home6)
Weird and fucking confusing. Thanks Lias, will check out the other suppliers.
EDIT: It's base clock is roughly 100 - 200Mhz lower than most other 970's. On the upside, Might Ape stock it and offer price matches, and it's a $100 cheaper than most other 970's.
2nd EDIT: The core clock speed that Mighty Ape lists on the card specs are higher than what the Galaxy website lists. Make things more confusing, Galaxy list 2 identical looking 970's with blower coolers. Sigh....
3rd EDIT: Ugh, Mighty Ape are listing the specs from the Galax 970 EXOC Black Edition, a different, higher specc'd card.
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i had Palit gtx580s and they performed fantastically and they were first on market as 3gb editions... never had an issue with galaxy or palit cards ever.
and 100mhz is not even considered an oc you could use afterburner to bump that small amount and not even notice.
Dragon souce from DOVE.
Dove are the wholesalers , but you need a wholesae accoutn to buy.
I'll check mine nope dealer account expired
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I'd much rather purchase through Mighty Ape and pay for a little more if they don't price match, they're always great to deal with (from what I've found).
However, this Galax model doesn't have a backplate. Might do some research, post on some OC forums to see what people are using. I might have to loosen my stance on ordering from Amazon. Anyone know if Amazon honour warranties when selling outside of the US on PC parts?
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Do you have a length restriction on the card?
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GDDR5-256bit-Graphics-04G-P4-1970-KR/dp/B00NI45AMS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1433809499&sr=8-1&keywords=04G-P4-1970-KR (http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GDDR5-256bit-Graphics-04G-P4-1970-KR/dp/B00NI45AMS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1433809499&sr=8-1&keywords=04G-P4-1970-KR)
If you register the card, you will get a 3 Year Direct to EVGA warranty.
Don't have to deal with Amazon, or the supplier, just EVGA. Yes you will have to send it to the US, but meh.
Can't fault EVGA, I've got 2x570's atm, RMA'd after I blew up the first 2, my PSU had a faulty 12V Rail. Never had a problem in the three years they've been running.
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Length is 11".
I've always liked EVGA.
Thanks for the link, Xeno. Will check out.
I'm also looking at the mini 970 edition, turns out it performs along side the full sized 970's - http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_970_oc_mini_itx_review,29.html (http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_970_oc_mini_itx_review,29.html)
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Length is 11".
I've always liked EVGA.
Thanks for the link, Xeno. Will check out.
I'm also looking at the mini 970 edition, turns out it performs along side the full sized 970's - [url]http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_970_oc_mini_itx_review,29.html[/url] ([url]http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_970_oc_mini_itx_review,29.html[/url])
Follow up with the EVGA 970, The mini 970 may perform alongside full sized cards but how does it perform in an actual mini-itx case? You don't have size restrictions so would gimp yourself by using it
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Yeah, that's my thought. I got the Ncase for a reason, so I wouldn't be gimped. I suppose it's there as a last resort.
Will look into the specs of the EVGA and the detailed specs. Thanks guys :)
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Checked out the Ncase owners thread on [H]ard Forums and they all seem to be running GPU's with the typical open faced heatsinks with no issues.
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The Mini GTX970 are no different.
What they have is a revised PCB, which could involve completely rearranging the layout and/or adding more PCB layers. The net result is the same card, that costs more to manufacture. The performance difference will be negligible, the largest compromise is on heat. Less surface area to dissipate the same TDP.
The EVGA GTX 970SC seems to be a nice card, I wouldn't advise buying any other brand from overseas unless they have a global RTM warranty.
It's a bit shit that no NZ stockist have the blower style GTX 970 SC, they all have the ACX2.0. Will cost ~NZD$600+ to land it from the US.
Checked out the Ncase owners thread on [H]ard Forums and they all seem to be running GPU's with the typical open faced heatsinks with no issues.
EDIT: If that's the case, then BUY ANYTHING YOU WAN'
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Shit, forgot to factor in the GST component when it hits customs. Sad face.
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http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-300-series-pricing-confirmed-aggressive/ (http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-300-series-pricing-confirmed-aggressive/)
pretty damn good pricing, be interesting to see if the 390 (non x) is HBM memory too.
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Shiiiiit. Y U DO DIS AMD.
I was sure I wanted nVidia this time around.
$389USD for the R9 390X comes up to roughly the same pricing as the 970GTX. And like the article says, when you throw in higher performing VRAM, along with double the amount, the price starts to look enticing.
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Shiiiiit. Y U DO DIS AMD.
I was sure I wanted nVidia this time around.
$389USD for the R9 390X comes up to roughly the same pricing as the 970GTX. And like the article says, when you throw in higher performing VRAM, along with double the amount, the price starts to look enticing.
No AMD for you! You not running a house sized case anymore to much heat,that cards a rebrand of the 290X, AMD drivers are shitstain they cancelled mantle because shit.
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=23135 (http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=23135) Problem solved if the other NCase users are not having any heat issues.
p.s if you get AMD will wait the 3months before you throw toys and say "told you so" :) Current friend is selling his 2 x 290x's to get a 980ti. Wasn't happy at all with them
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If you are happy waiting a month or two Nvidia prices should drop due to 980ti release after retailers stop milking the prices
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Haha, thanks Mayhem.
Will be in Auckland this weekend hopefully so may have made a decision berore then meaning I hope to be bringing a GPU home with me.
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... I hope to be bringing a GPU home with me.
New STD?
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How can a 390x be a rebadge, the 290x doesn't have HBM does it.
AMD does their big penis waving in a week, with it that close I would be waiting. All this BS about drivers etc is crap, Ive been running a 280x since they came out, always using the latest beta drivers, NEVER had issues, not once.
At the end of the day nvidia/amd, who gives a fuck, get the one that gives you the best bang for your buck.
*** ok it looks like the 8gb 390x wont be out next week, that's the new one with the HBM and runs much lower temps etc.
***** or maybe the thing on the 16th is the FURY cards with HBM.... who knows!
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Posted a thread over at the Computer Lounge forums asking for ncase owners to hola about what cards they're using. No bites, BUT, Computer Lounge have said they will be getting these afterall - https://www.asus.com/us/Graphics_Cards/TURBOGTX970OC4GD5/ (https://www.asus.com/us/Graphics_Cards/TURBOGTX970OC4GD5/) due to quite a few people asking. No ETA though.
YUS!!!
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YOU WASTE OUR TIME HERE.
F U RII.
:B
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I'm sorry, Xeno :(
Your guidance has been invaluable.
Cocksucker.
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I'm sorry, Xeno :(
Your cocksucking has been invaluable.
Fixed
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http://foaas.com/cool/xeno (http://foaas.com/cool/xeno)
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Could you find a tamer link in the API?
http://foaas.com/bucket/Lias (http://foaas.com/bucket/Lias) :-P
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hehe, I just thought it was quite funny :>
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FOAAS in general is quite funny :-) If your nerdy luck us lol
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Posted a thread over at the Computer Lounge forums asking for ncase owners to hola about what cards they're using. No bites, BUT, Computer Lounge have said they will be getting these afterall - https://www.asus.com/us/Graphics_Cards/TURBOGTX970OC4GD5/ (https://www.asus.com/us/Graphics_Cards/TURBOGTX970OC4GD5/) due to quite a few people asking. No ETA though.
YUS!!!
Since posting this, I haven't received any sort of a follow up from CL when I asked if I was able to put my name down for a "pre-order" despite posting in that same thread and emailing them directly. Sent Playtech an email and they have their supplier listed as having them in stock on the 11th of July. They'll follow up with a Facebook announcement when they're available. No price indication as of yet though.
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Posted a thread over at the Computer Lounge forums asking for ncase owners to hola about what cards they're using. No bites, BUT, Computer Lounge have said they will be getting these afterall - https://www.asus.com/us/Graphics_Cards/TURBOGTX970OC4GD5/ (https://www.asus.com/us/Graphics_Cards/TURBOGTX970OC4GD5/) due to quite a few people asking. No ETA though.
YUS!!!
Since posting this, I haven't received any sort of a follow up from CL when I asked if I was able to put my name down for a "pre-order" despite posting in that same thread and emailing them directly. Sent Playtech an email and they have their supplier listed as having them in stock on the 11th of July. They'll follow up with a Facebook announcement when they're available. No price indication as of yet though.
Thought CL use to be rather spot on with this type of thing? They dropping the ball a bit?
They should just get a heap of the cards in and offer some SFF builds.
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They seem a little more relaxed in their approach to my questioning about this specific ASUS card, not enough for me to question their integrity, but just enough for me to approach other sellers for some answers. My email could have been mistakenly missed along with my web-queries as all other correspondence with them about other hardware purchases have been pretty good.
I just want to be able to make an informed decision based on prices and availability vs performance when the new AMD cards drop. Looks like they're already in the hands of some US retailers due to leaked stock photos (and accidentally selling one).
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my build log will be going up shortly .
same mobo and cpu, except 980TI and corsair case.. :)
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Someone just got a new job and a payrise :-P
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Someone just got a new job and a payrise :-P
shhhhh
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wish we could get these
http://www.overclock.net/t/1515482/legitreviews-deepcool-captain-cpu-liquid-coolers-announced (http://www.overclock.net/t/1515482/legitreviews-deepcool-captain-cpu-liquid-coolers-announced)
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Playtech sell them.
I was looking at them. Compared to the NZXT and the Corsair AIO's, they're average, but look cool.
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We need something that automatically changes the word "Playtech" to "Fuckwits you should never buy from"
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Don't even tempt me >.>
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its ok i pulled trigger on hx100i
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We need something that automatically changes the word "Playtech" to "Fuckwits you should never buy from"
When Playtech are the only ones offering the product and the only ones returning emails, then I'm going to purchase from them.
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Don't even tempt me >.>
Do it do it do it do it.
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We need something that automatically changes the word "Playtech" to "Fuckwits you should never buy from"
When Playtech are the only ones offering the product and the only ones returning emails, then I'm going to purchase from them.
I understand your reasons Rii, I just don't agree with them :-) But we can still be gay boy lover friends k?
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I'm in the same boat. I'll buy from anyone else first. Playtech are a last resort.
Just eager to get my build finished. Sourcing a decent GPU is proving to be a pain in the ass.
Smoochums.
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I'm in the same boat. I'll buy from anyone else first. Playtech are a last resort.
Just eager to get my build finished. Sourcing a decent GPU is proving to be a pain in the ass.
Smoochums.
But sweeety you love pain in the ass. Especially the chilli and iron filings lube I got last year!
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CL's supplier just received stock of the ASUS 970GTX Turbo.
Have been told it will be added to the site shortly.
Mad excite.
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Aaaaaand nope.
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=24841 (http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=24841)
$700.
EDIT: Most decent 980's range around the $900 price, so perhaps $700 isn't so bad. Thoughts? Worth it?
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Its showing as $629 now
$580-$620 is ballpark for a GTX 970, so seems reasonable
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Shit. That's better.
In with a grin.
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Ordered.
Fucken' stoked.
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Sexy times
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zoom zoom
I've been loving my 970, such a solid card
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CAKE, BUE CAKE
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Ordered.
Fucken' stoked.
Fuck' need to get me a job & would pick one of these up + a 500GB SSD
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Fuck' need to get me a job & would pick one of these up + a 500GB SSD
Mate come to ChCh, enough work here to sink a battleship.
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Fuck' need to get me a job & would pick one of these up + a 500GB SSD
Mate come to ChCh, enough work here to sink a battleship.
You don't need any more sinking in CHC
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Fuck' need to get me a job & would pick one of these up + a 500GB SSD
Mate come to ChCh, enough work here to sink a battleship.
You don't need any more sinking in CHC
New Brighton still exists, so I'd say we do...
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Card has had another $30 taken off it. $599. Will have it early next week.
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All snug as a bug in a rug -
(http://i.imgur.com/yLrRTzM.png)
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Nice, but that pic just reinforces how much mini cases do not do it for me :-)
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Theres still room for cable tying to clean it up. I kind of rushed the GPU install as I was in between unpacking stuff in my new place.
Idle temps are - CPU - 22.C, GPU - 25.C. Haven't had time to stress test it yet.
Next purchase will be trying to source replacement braided power cables to allow for more cable flexibility.
Also need to do something about the push/pull set up with the AIO fan and the chassis fan next to it. Might be a rainy day exercise.
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Nice, but that pic just reinforces how much mini cases do not do it for me :-)
M-Itx cases are the best, trying to stuff all the performance you can in a tight box and keep it up longer then 10min :)
(http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af133/mayheml33/IMG_2305_zpsc9eb9ac1.jpg)
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That would have been the case I would have gone for I think, had it not been for the Ncase. I just didn't want a side panel, and the PSU was a bit on the weak side - but I learnt that PSU's have come along away, they're even less about the wattage than they use to be. When I built my last PC about 3 - 4 years ago, it was in the height of 1000 - 1200w PSU's. Now it seems to be more about the quality of power, not the quantity and that 450w PSU the EVGA case has will power a beastie, single GPU system.
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That would have been the case I would have gone for I think, had it not been for the Ncase. I just didn't want a side panel, and the PSU was a bit on the weak side - but I learnt that PSU's have come along away, they're even less about the wattage than they use to be. When I built my last PC about 3 - 4 years ago, it was in the height of 1000 - 1200w PSU's. Now it seems to be more about the quality of power, not the quantity and that 450w PSU the EVGA case has will power a beastie, single GPU system.
It runs a 500W Gold class psu able to run Nvidia titans :) N Case is nice I approve gives a bit more flexibility with water-cooling, but then that's also why they have a Hydro version vs the Air I have used.
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So details on finished build are you getting all the frames and eye candy that you seek?
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Ive only JUST had VDSL turned on at the new place (today), will upgrade to fibre in a few weeks as I have consent from the neighbour who shares our driveway and from the landlord. So I've only just been able to start re-stocking my games library.
Over the weekend I found a Crysis 3 back-up. I was running it on high settings, god damn this is still a gorgeous game. I'm not running any updates on it, and am still using the driver that came with the card, but I was getting anywhere between 60 - 80FPS on 1080p res. Over the next week I'll be testing some new titles on it to see how it goes, but for now, under Crysis 3, it was 65.C on load and making me grin from ear to ear.
One day down the track, when I'm feeling rich and wanting to spend my money on something, I might transplant it into an ATX case and pick up an ATX board so I can SLI the 970.
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New Graphics card for you bot http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=24826 (http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=24826) or me once i do an upgrade.
Hows the rig been tardo?
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That graphics card is almost as expensive as my computer...
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New Graphics card for you bot [url]http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=24826[/url] ([url]http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=24826[/url]) or me once i do an upgrade.
Hows the rig been tardo?
BAJEEZUS.
Rig has been a dream.
There's a thread over at GP where 2 guys have been suffering from horrific noise from their ASUS 970GTX Turbo OC. Mine has been a saint.
However I've been watching a lot of custom-loop water cooling vids lately and it's got me chomping at the bit for a full-sized case so I can have a crack at it.
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Why do you want full size case with WC loop? Sure its fun to build but then its a pain looking after it all and gets boring once built. +going to a monster case from the M1?
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I think it's the romantic notion of buying the tools, materials and building the loop myself.
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It's is incredibly satisfying building something from the ground up and using it every day.
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I think it's the romantic notion of buying the tools, materials and building the loop myself.
Page 173 http://www.overclock.net/t/1465848/official-evga-hadron-air-owners-club/1720 (http://www.overclock.net/t/1465848/official-evga-hadron-air-owners-club/1720) for eye candy
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I think it's the romantic notion of buying the tools, materials and building the loop myself.
Page 173 [url]http://www.overclock.net/t/1465848/official-evga-hadron-air-owners-club/1720[/url] ([url]http://www.overclock.net/t/1465848/official-evga-hadron-air-owners-club/1720[/url]) for eye candy
Mmmm that is one sexy computer. Where those glass tubes for the water cooling?
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Where those glass tubes for the water cooling?
https://www.reddit.com/r/watercooling/wiki/acrylictubingtutorial (https://www.reddit.com/r/watercooling/wiki/acrylictubingtutorial)
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They look awesome. I'm going to go for that look when I build.
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I've been binge watching Linus Tech Tips (don't really like him but he has tons of cash to do some awesome projects with) and Singularity Computers on YouChewbs like mad and I think I might try and fit a custom loop into the Ncase. It's built for WC with pipe holes in the chassis. If I run a water block on my GPU it will free up a lot of space and wont need as many chassis fans.
Watch this space for Diogenes' custom loop.
So far I think I'll go for elbow joins to loop up the acrylic tubing instead of a heat gun and bending with silicon noodles. The chrome bends (or even matt black if I can source them) look sexy as hell. Running the rad externally will be key.
Much excite.
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There's a lot that can be done with the Ncase: http://www.overclock.net/t/1537967/build-log-nctekm1-ncase-m1-dual-radiator-watercooling (http://www.overclock.net/t/1537967/build-log-nctekm1-ncase-m1-dual-radiator-watercooling)
That reservoir is purpose built for the Ncase M1. And the pump this guy is running is a CPU block/pump combo which is powering a dual 240mm rad and a GPU block as well.
So I think I might follow this guy's build but just start off with a CPU loop first to see how I go and then open up the loop later on and add my GPU to it.