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General => General Chat => Topic started by: swindle on March 14, 2014, 10:35:56 am
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http://googledrive.blogspot.nl/2014/03/save-more-with-google-drive.html?m=1 (http://googledrive.blogspot.nl/2014/03/save-more-with-google-drive.html?m=1)
Unheard of prices here. How cool is that. 1TB for $10 is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_05qJTeNNI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_05qJTeNNI) fucking good.
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I was excited, until I saw that it's monthly. USD$120 for a year's worth of 1TB. Not bad in the grand scheme of things, but considering it's the price of a 1TB drive, I'll take the local drive, and go from there I think.
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It would be safe to assume you are aware of the benefits of having storage that you can access from anywhere, using any phone or PC on servers that have multiple levels of redundancy?
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It would be safe to assume you are aware of the benefits of having storage that you can access from anywhere, using any phone or PC on servers that have multiple levels of redundancy?
Yeah.
But spennies. :-\
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I was excited, until I saw that it's monthly. USD$120 for a year's worth of 1TB. Not bad in the grand scheme of things, but considering it's the price of a 1TB drive, I'll take the local drive, and go from there I think.
Doesn't taking the local disk kind of defeat the purpose of have the reliability and security of a managed cloud storage that won't fail?
It's not for dumping your 1tb of porn, it's more as a means of cloud backup.
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$120 is not bad.
How well does it integrate with Windows, can I just drag and drop files?
I can!
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I have loads of photos on my harddrives, I really need to back them up.
IN CASE OF FIRE!
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I was excited, until I saw that it's monthly. USD$120 for a year's worth of 1TB. Not bad in the grand scheme of things, but considering it's the price of a 1TB drive, I'll take the local drive, and go from there I think.
Doesn't taking the local disk kind of defeat the purpose of have the reliability and security of a managed cloud storage that won't fail?
It's not for dumping your 1tb of porn, it's more as a means of cloud backup.
I'm more practical - back up fast to local drive, drop it to storage unit, rotate when necessary.
EDIT: Hmmm, now you guys got me thinking - I'm just about to boot my storage unit, so could just roll out with this...
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It would be safe to assume you are aware of the benefits of having storage that you can access from anywhere, using any phone or PC on servers that have multiple levels of redundancy?
I assume you know about the benefits of remote access?
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I have loads of photos on my harddrives, I really need to back them up.
IN CASE OF FIRE!
OR FLOODING!
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It would be safe to assume you are aware of the benefits of having storage that you can access from anywhere, using any phone or PC on servers that have multiple levels of redundancy?
I assume you know about the benefits of remote access?
What are you playing at son?
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What are you playing at son?
I'm just saying you can set up remote access to a physical 1TB drive that you own, which trumps a 1TB drive in the cloud. In my humble opinion.
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I'm just saying you can set up remote access to a physical 1TB drive that you own, which trumps a 1TB drive in the cloud. In my humble opinion.
Disagree, while the storage is easy to setup for access remotely via any non trash router, it doesn't in any way stump the cloud offered solutions in terms of data integrity.
If you're happy to leave stuff on there that isn't too important then sure it's great but it in no means replaces what the main benefits of large cloud based storage are, a very good backup method. Although if you have the ability to use both then I would.
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Disagree, while the storage is easy to setup for access remotely via any non trash router, it doesn't in any way stump the cloud offered solutions in terms of data integrity.
If you're happy to leave stuff on there that isn't too important then sure it's great but it in no means replaces what the main benefits of large cloud based storage are, a very good backup method. Although if you have the ability to use both then I would.
Yes exactly. User can weigh their options, personally I'd take the disk drive and run.
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Disagree, while the storage is easy to setup for access remotely via any non trash router, it doesn't in any way stump the cloud offered solutions in terms of data integrity.
If you're happy to leave stuff on there that isn't too important then sure it's great but it in no means replaces what the main benefits of large cloud based storage are, a very good backup method. Although if you have the ability to use both then I would.
Yes exactly. User can weigh their options, personally I'd take the disk drive and run.
Remote access is just so much... harder. And I know, it's not that hard, but it's not all that secure. Unless you're running some form of redundancy and have an amazing internet connection it's not really even close to what dropbox/drive can offer.
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what's this backup thing you guys are talking about... surely you can just re-get everything.
I have 75TB of porn, and that would only take a few weeks to gather up.
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what's this backup thing you guys are talking about... surely you can just re-get everything.
I have 75TB of porn, and that would only take a few weeks to gather up.
Basically
http://www.wd.com/en/products/network/networkstorage/ (http://www.wd.com/en/products/network/networkstorage/)
Or a NAS, or whatever. Call it whatever.
I call it destroyed in a fire, fucked in water and without RAID (most of the time) covering your ass. She ain't no enterprise drive neither.
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I'm exceedingly pleased by this news. In all honesty, there is little reason not to have the 100gb offering (which is actually 125gb with the bonus datas). Considering the ability to transfer data between disparate pcs and phones, with near-system level integration on Android... DELICIOUS!
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Basically
[url]http://www.wd.com/en/products/network/networkstorage/[/url] ([url]http://www.wd.com/en/products/network/networkstorage/[/url])
Or a NAS, or whatever. Call it whatever.
I call it destroyed in a fire, fucked in water and without RAID (most of the time) covering your ass. She ain't no enterprise drive neither.
I don't consider setting up a secure remote connection to be difficult so I may be in the minority there. For the average user I would consider the effort required to set up and manage a 1TB cloud drive to be about the same as setting up teamviewer. Because there are so many services too it means you have to workaround some apps. You may weigh that against having to carry a pen drive with teamviewer portable on it, but then I carry one anyway. But then teamviewer isn't really integrated. To be honest the whole app integration thing barely works anyway (in my experience)
As for redundancy, I would say your chances of having a catastrophic failure within 1 year are really really low, 10 years fairly high but still not definite. at a rate of $120 a year I think one could reasonably gamble that their drive isn't going to fail in the first year, but then purchase a new disk drive in the second year and run this as redundancy. At this point you might consider carrying on this routine replacing the nth drive with a newer one each year, maybe 2 years? So now you just have to not burn your house down.
With my model though you pay 2*n for data (If I want a file then I must upload it from home, then download it somewhere else for every transfer), with your model it would be n+1 (upload it once then download it n number of times). However if like me you have a stupidly huge data cap and VDSL then it may not concern.
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Basically
[url]http://www.wd.com/en/products/network/networkstorage/[/url] ([url]http://www.wd.com/en/products/network/networkstorage/[/url])
Or a NAS, or whatever. Call it whatever.
I call it destroyed in a fire, fucked in water and without RAID (most of the time) covering your ass. She ain't no enterprise drive neither.
I don't consider setting up a secure remote connection to be difficult so I may be in the minority there. For the average user I would consider the effort required to set up and manage a 1TB cloud drive to be about the same as setting up teamviewer. Because there are so many services too it means you have to workaround some apps. You may weigh that against having to carry a pen drive with teamviewer portable on it, but then I carry one anyway. But then teamviewer isn't really integrated. To be honest the whole app integration thing barely works anyway (in my experience)
As for redundancy, I would say your chances of having a catastrophic failure within 1 year are really really low, 10 years fairly high but still not definite. at a rate of $120 a year I think one could reasonably gamble that their drive isn't going to fail in the first year, but then purchase a new disk drive in the second year and run this as redundancy. At this point you might consider carrying on this routine replacing the nth drive with a newer one each year, maybe 2 years? So now you just have to not burn your house down.
With my model though you pay 2*n for data (If I want a file then I must upload it from home, then download it somewhere else for every transfer), with your model it would be n+1 (upload it once then download it n number of times). However if like me you have a stupidly huge data cap and VDSL then it may not concern.
But having a 2 local drives, does not protect against localized issues. i.e. someone steals your pc, fire steals your pc, power surge steals your pc.
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This is why I've decided I fucking hate the shit out of telephones, and encryption.
Encryption is only as good as someone not having physical access.
Phones are too easy to obtain physical access to while they're in operatonal mode.
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security.png)
So when it comes down to it, encryption is only good as communication protection. Which I can agree with. I ain't putting a password in over non ssl. Unless it's something like getsome; where impact is low, and the password is a burner anyway.
Not that I wouldn't be fucked off if someone hijacked my account, but I'm sure some of you lovely chaps would sort it for me.
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tl:dr, I like the idea of a remote system where I have all the control, but realistically nothing I set up will have the redundancy and availability of something like drive.
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As for redundancy, I would say your chances of having a catastrophic failure within 1 year are really really low, 10 years fairly high but still not definite. at a rate of $120 a year I think one could reasonably gamble that their drive isn't going to fail in the first year, but then purchase a new disk drive in the second year and run this as redundancy. At this point you might consider carrying on this routine replacing the nth drive with a newer one each year, maybe 2 years? So now you just have to not burn your house down.
But having a 2 local drives, does not protect against localized issues. i.e. someone steals your pc, fire steals your pc, power surge steals your pc.
Yes, I know, I touched on this as above.
To address your concerns directly:
I think my a disk drive is more likely to fail than someone stealing my computer (My mac sitting next to it is worth more and easier to steal - or so a dumbass crook might think) my machine must weigh nigh on 12kg by now. A $14 bike lock would ensure that a meteorite colliding with the ISS and sending a piece of cosmonaut in the direction of my PC is a more likely scenario than my computer being stolen.
In my case I think a power surge is fairly unlikely to corrupt data on two disks.
More likely than either of these scenarios is a cloud account being compromised by poor security protocol. This has happened in the past and it will happen again. There are methods to ensure that only you can ever access your information if you're not a plebeian. Being a plebeian is probably the largest cause for poor security protocol, at the end of the day google, apple, amazon, dropbox would lose so much custom if their system was too difficult to recover a forgotten password.
At the end of the day you evaluate your needs, what you're willing to do and you make a decision. Swindle may be willing to pay $120 pa for 1TB of fairly easy access, reasonably secure storage and that's just awesome. I think for $120 and a little bit of effort you could have a more cyber secure, equally as redundant system. I'd probably use a free/cheap service for smaller, less secure stuff and host my own system for larger more sensitive information.
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The only bad part is that it's google. But I can look past that at this price.
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The only bad part is that it's google. But I can look past that at this price.
I hear SkyDrive is a fantastic alternative
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I hear SkyDrive is a fantastic alternative
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It is. I use sky drive all the time. I'm hoping the Skydrive prices will come down to compete with google.
You guys should too.
https://onedrive.live.com?invref=a2e3597faea038ce&invsrc=90 (https://onedrive.live.com?invref=a2e3597faea038ce&invsrc=90)
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I'd rather have herpes than anything from Microsoft.
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I'd rather have herpes than anything from Microsoft.
It would be safe to assume you are aware of the benefits of having storage that you can access from anywhere, using any phone or PC on servers that have multiple levels of redundancy?
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I'd rather have herpes than anything from Microsoft.
It would be safe to assume you are aware of the benefits of having storage that you can access from anywhere, using any phone or PC on servers that have multiple levels of redundancy?
What's a redundancy?
And tbh, I'd rather havea drive at home in my computer. Amiright?
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I hear SkyDrive is a fantastic alternative
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It is. I use sky drive all the time. I'm hoping the Skydrive prices will come down to compete with google.
You guys should too.
This
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It's OneDrive now.
Microsoft likes changing names.
Unless that name is Windows.
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Or office.
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It's OneDrive now.
Microsoft likes changing names.
Unless that name is Windows.
MS didnt want to change the name.. the fact they only did it after a fairly protracted lawsuit that they lost. BSkyB (british parent of SKy TV) sued them for daring to have a product with the word "Sky" in it, and in a sign of how fucked up trademark law is, MS lost.
The whole "Metro" UI thing was similar trademark issue BS.
Scrap copyright/trademarks/patents.. scrap them all.
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Scrap copyright/trademarks/patents.. scrap them all.
That would be a really terrible idea.
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Scrap copyright/trademarks/patents.. scrap them all.
That would be a really terrible idea.
Not when concerning software.
Or pretty much anything relating to the advancement of science/mandkind.
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Scrap copyright/trademarks/patents.. scrap them all.
That would be a really terrible idea.
I struggle to see any good in them.. do enlighten me.
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Scrap copyright/trademarks/patents.. scrap them all.
That would be a really terrible idea.
I struggle to see any good in them.. do enlighten me.
Trademark: If we scrapped this then I could legitimately start a business called microsoft. Same logo, same name, exact same website, same brochure, same product line, except when you pay my me (also under microsoft holdings) I don't give you any product.
Copyright: This one is genuinely pretty fucked, but only because technology has moved faster than the laws governing copyright. The idea being that if you're an artist your only income is your art. If we scrapped this then people could legitimately share music on the internet for free and the artists recording companies wouldn't make any money. Ok we need to scrap this one, recording companies need to realise they no longer have a viable product.
Patents: This is something a lot of people don't fully understand. Lots of shit is patented. Stuff you wouldn't imagine is patented. For example the method of heating water in the espresso machine (that is in parts on my desk) is probably patented. Some company would have spent millions of dollars developing a system that allows you to boil water for the frothing wand, and steep it through the thinger widget. If no patent existed I could buy one of their coffee machines, reverse engineer it and for a few grand have a heating element as good as theirs. So they have a patent. The terms differ on usage, but without patents no body would ever bother developing anything because they know it'll just get stolen and recycled on launch day by their competitors. Also patents expire, so a number of decades down the line the patent expires and anyone can use it for free from then on. So patents give the person who did all the work a period of time to take advantage of their hard work, but then it promotes competition in the market. We're currently seeing this as a bunch of 3d printer (rapid prototyping) patents expire.
There are a number of tactics on whether you patent, what to patent, how to patent etc WD40 isn't patented, because the process to make it is so fucking impossible to replicate that they're confident no body will ever be able to replicate it. So is coca-cola.
Software patents are good in my opinion. Patenting a single function is a terrible idea, that's going to cause some huge fuck ups. But patenting how a software system 'interfaces' with hardware in my opinion is good. Take Motec for example. They make the best data analysis software for race cars, it's called i2. It cost them 8 million dollars to make (chump change) but they want to sell their data acquisition hardware. So they make i2 only compatible with their hardware, and file a patent on this. If someone in the market starts selling a device that allows you to use cheaper different [inferior] hardware with i2, then Motec will be able to stop them thereby securing their rights.
The software patenting law that is going to come into NZ states that you may patent software that isn't for a computer as such which is a fucking lawyer term for a windows, OSX or linux based computer. But they're stupid fucking lawyers who fucked the whole fucking thing up because they don't realise what the difference between a computer and an embedded computer is. If you pointed to an arduino and told a lawyer it was a computer he'd argue with you that it isn't. And this is going to cause some serious problems, because a raspberry pi is a computer. So we have this marvelous grey area as to what a computer is "as such".
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Disagree entirely, excepting the artistry copyright & trademarks bit.
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Disagree entirely, excepting the artistry copyright & trademarks bit.
Haha I thought you might. Why? We're having a rational discussion here.
Too be honest I don't care much for it myself, in a perfect world we wouldn't need any of it, but such systems are so ingrained into industry now you'd have more chance of convincing the pope to renounce his Christianity than scrapping the lot of it.
I steer clear of it where possible so I don't have to deal with it. Though I understand it, and given the opportunity I'll take full advantage of it.
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Yeah, I undestand all that. What you say there is true. It's also sad, and wrong (morally).
But making money has never been about morals.
As much as it pains me (because of who he is and the extremities of his fevour) I turn to R.H.Stallman to give good examples on why I dislike the system.
***shit I had a good vid in history I watched once, but I CBF'd finding it.
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NECROBLASTER
http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you (http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you)
Relevant. Maybe own thread? cCirclejerk in plames, trains & automobiles? K Go!
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Copyright: This one is genuinely pretty fucked, but only because technology has moved faster than the laws governing copyright. The idea being that if you're an artist your only income is your art. If we scrapped this then people could legitimately share music on the internet for free and the artists recording companies wouldn't make any money. Ok we need to scrap this one, recording companies need to realise they no longer have a viable product.
How will artists make money then?
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How will artists make money then?
Music: touring, merchandise.
Everyone else: fucked if I know, I'm not proposing a solution merely pointing out that I think it's broken.
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I'm not proposing a solution merely pointing out that I think it's broken.
You and I are not so different after all.
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Copyright: This one is genuinely pretty fucked, but only because technology has moved faster than the laws governing copyright. The idea being that if you're an artist your only income is your art. If we scrapped this then people could legitimately share music on the internet for free and the artists recording companies wouldn't make any money. Ok we need to scrap this one, recording companies need to realise they no longer have a viable product.
How will artists make money then?
The same way they make money now, but without all the costs of implementing DRM, paying exhorbitant fees to companies to "stop piracy" and suing their own fans.
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Speaking of patents.
Elon Musk, the most awesome rich guy ever, CEO of rocket building company SpaceX and electric car company Tesla motors, also he is secretly Iron Man, and also in the movie Machete Kills!
Tesla has gone and opened up all their patents, encouraging others to use and build upon their technology.
He says, electric vehicles are not his competition, but petrol-based vehicles, and he wants to help other electric car companies to grow the market.
http://inhabitat.com/tesla-just-gave-all-its-patents-away-to-anyone-who-wants-to-use-them/ (http://inhabitat.com/tesla-just-gave-all-its-patents-away-to-anyone-who-wants-to-use-them/)
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And he also owns the submarine car from James Bond, and plans to make it into a real submarine car.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2013/10/17/elon-musk-tesla-james-bond-submarine/3004955/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2013/10/17/elon-musk-tesla-james-bond-submarine/3004955/)
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Speaking of patents.
Elon Musk, the most awesome rich guy ever, CEO of rocket building company SpaceX and electric car company Tesla motors, also he is secretly Iron Man, and also in the movie Machete Kills!
Tesla has gone and opened up all their patents, encouraging others to use and build upon their technology.
He says, electric vehicles are not his competition, but petrol-based vehicles, and he wants to help other electric car companies to grow the market.
[url]http://inhabitat.com/tesla-just-gave-all-its-patents-away-to-anyone-who-wants-to-use-them/[/url] ([url]http://inhabitat.com/tesla-just-gave-all-its-patents-away-to-anyone-who-wants-to-use-them/[/url])
Wait, what? I didn't know that! Oh wait I did! and look I posted about it too, then you went NECRO-OFF TOPIC about bands and copyright....even though none of this has anything to do with google reducing the price of it's cloud services...hahaha
NECROBLASTER
[url]http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you[/url] ([url]http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you[/url])
Relevant. Maybe own thread? cCirclejerk in plames, trains & automobiles? K Go!
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Hahahaha, missed that.
Worth posting twice though.