I though this thread had died.

I don't belive in God as you can probably tell. But i do like what Bono says in Rattle and Hum

"The God I believe in isn't short of cash MISTER"

One of my biggest gripes with religion is the corruption within it. Catholic priests molesting little boys, Churches like the Jesus Army in Northampton getting members to sell everything they have and give all the money to them, Mormons making you pay a "tithe" - ok so they don't make you, but it's pretty much expected of you.

Anyway, enough from me on this subject, I will finish with this.....believe what you want to, and what you think its right, if that makes your life better and easier then it's all good.

I agree with you there, I'm against the whole concept of orginsed religion, people should not be told what to belive, it should be something people need to work out for themselves.

I could do with a beer right about now.

Gosh its amazing how many breeds of dog there are. where were they 500 years ago?

While laura is going to great pains to show evolution isn't selective breeding or natural selection, also that dating methods are flawed, I contend the bible is wrong because god rested on the seventh day, yet poodles are pretty darn recent.

Evoloution is the devlopment of new speices, all diffrent dog breeds are still the same species, that has nothing to do with evoloution, just cross breading.

and Laura how old do you say the earth is, because in the bible its around 10,000 years is it not?

The bible is not 10,000 years old.

funny we should be seeing light from stars 100's of billion of light years away.

Why is that funny?

if you could prove there was a god thou, like beyond a doubt, you as 1 person had totally 100% conclusive proof that there was a god (whatever religion as i dont give a damn)

The problem is there can be no such thing as 100% conclusive proof, any thing can be fabricated to look real, and the fact that we could be all part of a 'matrix' add an uncertainty to any evidence, which is reason enough to disbelieve it.

Actually it's a lot more than a complex computer, which invalidates your point. Computers are inanimate objects with no thought patterns other than those which we program it to have. All AI is prgrammed so has limits. We  know next to nothing about the workings of the human brain so how can you be sure it can't have an awareness.

IMO it does have an awareness and is more than capable of having one.

Despite what we know about the brain, it is still limited to the physical universe, anything that happens in the brain has to obey the physical laws of nature, having a awareness defies those laws, and thus can not be part of our brain, it has to be something from beyond our universe. Most religions believe this to be the soul, the connection between our physicals bodies and whatever’s beyond.

It comes from within. Our thoughts, our feelings. No-where else. End of story.

No it can't, thats my point, our Brain is incapable of developing an awareness, as it's nothing more then a complex computer.

but a human IS just electrical pulses.......

Our thinking is just electrical pulses, but not our awareness.

But doesn't the bible say that you go to heaven or hell? If so I'll go to hell if not heaven. AFAIK there is no in-between.

Besides, I'll be dead and being eaten by worms so it won't worry me either way. Live life now, as you're a long time dead - that's my philosophy.

I never said anything about the bible, i'm talking more about what someone personally believes in. There is also one clear piece of evidence that proves of life after death, we humans are aware of our existence, but it's impossible for this awareness to come from the physical world, i.e. If someone were to build a computer as intelligent as a human, and would act the same as a human and respond to things in a way humans would, not mater how complex it would be it still would not have an awareness, it will still be just electrical pulses traveling around. But we humans do have an awareness, so if this awareness can not come from our physical world, it must come from something beyond our world, which proves there is something beyond death.

I would argue the other way around, what if we're right - sucks to be you as there will be no heaven.....whereas if I'm wrong ie evolution is wrong,there will be a heaven and I *may* go there, if not I'll be nice and warm down in hell.

That’s quite a flawed statement there, Whether there is a Heaven or not, it's no loss to believe in it. However if someone does not believe in Heaven and there is one, then I doubt they will go to it. How can you go to something you don’t believe exists.

Therefore logically is makes sense to believe in Heaven, you have nothing to lose by doing so.

Insertions and Deletions (Indels)
Extra base pairs may be added (insertions) or removed (deletions) from the DNA of a gene. The number can range from one to thousands. Collectively, these mutations are called indels.

Extra base pairs may be added. I'm pretty sure that’s evidence enough to show that genetic material can be gained. Anyway, evolution doesn't just require the gaining of material, about 97% DNA in our genes is just junk DNA, which is most likely leftovers from the evolution process. So evolution can still occur with losing DNA.

Anyway, I want to explain my view of evolution, I belive that God exists, and I belive the evoultion happen and is still happing. I belive that God used evoultion as a tool to create us. Now with the Old Testament, the stories in there are thousands of years old, and where told my word of mouth for far longer, plus there translation errors that would of happened. The bible was written my Humans, and humans make mistakes, it's that simple. So therefore messages in the Old Testament can not be taken at their face value.
The New Testament will be for more accurate, as it is a lot more recent.

Now with Evolution, one of the main arguments against it is that the chance of a life form is so small, it would be almost impossible. But, if God wanted to create us, then the chance wouldn't mean anything, because God wanted evolution to take place.

No. No no no nooo sorry, but that is not what anyone (scientists, creationists, evolutionists) think.

Mutation means that the genes from the parent are in some way lost, damaged or REARRANGED.

Gaining information means NEW genes that DID NOT occur in the parent now occurs in the child.  

SOrry just had to straighten that one up.

I did biology, I know what mutations are, and I know that one kind of mutation is when an extra base pair is added to the dna chain, therefore material would have been gained.