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Games => Console => Topic started by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on April 25, 2013, 11:45:56 am
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The announcement will be on the 22nd May.
Was a bit disappointed with the PS4, so hopefully the nextbox will be better.
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I just hope they reject any claims of always on DRM.
What a dick move if they plan on not allowing people to on-sell games.
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Meh console.
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Meh console.
This.
Hopefully both new consoles are a total flop, and consoles die horribly and we return to ze days of ze glorious pc master race.
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Should we round the console gamers up and take them to chambers of some kind Lias?
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Maybe if Star chambers.. not Marilyn Chambers..
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/508/641/049.png) (http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/508641-the-glorious-pc-gaming-master-race)
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I'm still laughing at that guy from EB games NZ who was saying how sony and/or microsoft would never kill the 2nd hand game market
how the fuck did that twit get to upper management? he's probably the guy who decides when EB games is having a sale.
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I'm excited.
I play mostly PC, but prefer driving games on console. And the Kinect is pretty fun.
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I'm still laughing at that guy from EB games NZ who was saying how sony and/or microsoft would never kill the 2nd hand game market
how the fuck did that twit get to upper management? he's probably the guy who decides when EB games is having a sale.
haven't seen this comment, and surprised if one of our guys has been quoted somewhere but...
considering gamestop & specialist stores that rely on the preowned market sell something like 80% of all consoles sold....it's a valid comment.
new hardware drives customers to specialist stores like no ones business, today has been a great example of that, I had groups of people discussing the pro's & cons of both consoles with me all through today.
and because of that, both manufacturers WILL be coming up with a better solution for preowned rather than just locking it all down...which at the end of the day is pretty consumer hostile anyway.
back to the topic at hand, nothing here has lured me away from playstation for my console, and many of my customers....even the previous xbox fan boys, seem pretty disappointed to...but the proof will be at E3
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haven't seen this comment, and surprised if one of our guys has been quoted somewhere but...
considering gamestop & specialist stores that rely on the preowned market sell something like 80% of all consoles sold....it's a valid comment.
new hardware drives customers to specialist stores like no ones business, today has been a great example of that, I had groups of people discussing the pro's & cons of both consoles with me all through today.
and because of that, both manufacturers WILL be coming up with a better solution for preowned rather than just locking it all down...which at the end of the day is pretty consumer hostile anyway.
back to the topic at hand, nothing here has lured me away from playstation for my console, and many of my customers....even the previous xbox fan boys, seem pretty disappointed to...but the proof will be at E3
We learned all about perpetuity and annuity the other day in engineering management and economics.
Basically it's the monetary value today of regularly being paid a sum of money regularly forever (annuity is for a fixed period of time so technically more applicable to this situation) lets say you're right and your company sells 80% of the consoles, what microsoft and sony will have done is compare that number to the amount they believe they will make by killing the pre-owned market (people forced to buy new - sure sales wont be 1:1) they'll have a bunch of scenarios and statistics and surveys and income profiles for various demographics of gamer customers.
If the annuity of killing pre-owned games is greater than the annuity of that 80% (which will just be dispersed amongst other retailers - so wont really be a loss) then I'd start talking about all ways on, games tied to account, steam style kill the pre-owned games market, and further I'd be looking for a new job. You should go to university! they teach you all sorts of neat things there like this.
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that was patronising, good job
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BH likes to spew on about what he learnt at uni by superfluously applying it to posts in a way that that only he could really be pleased with what he posted.
Usually to do with math bullshit.
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that was patronising, good job
awwe I'm sorry, I meant to be informative, not condescending.
crap now I'm sounding even more condescending....but seriously that's what they would have done, I think the pre owned market is about to take a hit, I reckon sony might hang back and see how the public takes this from microsoft (not well) before it solidifies on anything, it might even wait until microsoft has gone too far then introduce a swapping system.
And why wouldn't they? The game development industry is hardly known for it's good intentions and consideration for ethics in the pursuit of mega cash, it would kill off piracy too.
Here's what your boss said: http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/games/8322649/Sneak-peek-at-next-gen-Xbox-PlayStation
Marketing director of EB Games, Shane Stockwell, is not so sold on the rumours surrounding a second-hand lockout.
"If I was concerned by everything I read on the internet, I'd probably have lost my hair a long time ago," he told Fairfax Media.
"I've learnt to take it with a grain of salt. That's all rumour; there's nothing to say otherwise; I think it would be a strange move from two major corporations to cut off a business avenue in pre-owned games."
I guess EB could always move into retro-gaming.
BH likes to spew on about what he learnt at uni by superfluously applying it to posts in a way that that only he could really be pleased with what he posted.
Usually to do with math bullshit.
Yeah I have a test for this shit on Tuesday, believe it or not but it's at the forefront of my mind at the moment.
So are ray tracers, PID controllers and embedded systems, I can tell you more than you want to read about PID controllers.
Anyway I've done my 15 hours today, time to go home and sleep till 7 then get up and do it all again tomorrow! later today!
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ah yes, shane stockwell, he's from our Australian head office and is a very clued up guy, in charge of marketing for the entire Australasian region, which is run pretty independently of gamestop.
it mirrors what many are thinking, and reflects how much PO trades fund new game purchases, gamestop had a report out late last year that showed something in the region of 78% trade in's go toward new release, full price game purchases
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ah yes, shane stockwell, he's from our Australian head office and is a very clued up guy, in charge of marketing for the entire Australasian region, which is run pretty independently of gamestop.
it mirrors what many are thinking, and reflects how much PO trades fund new game purchases, gamestop had a report out late last year that showed something in the region of 78% trade in's go toward new release, full price game purchases
Now that is an interesting stat, so they'd be effectively reducing sales by nearly 80% any ideas as to what demographic of gamer that is? even in your own experience?
Guys here at uni yesterday evening were saying they don't trade in cause it's not worth it, one guy got offered like $4 for a game you guys were selling for $35 (so he claimed)
I wonder how that 80% would compare to the increase in sales as a result of killing piracy.
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core trading demographic is is 18 to 25 year old males for the most part....although that is growing older.
the example you quote there is pretty simple, but probably true, be interested to know the title, but probably something quite old, and something we have a lot of copies of, effectivly trade prices being set by what we WILL be selling it at in the future....not what we ARE selling it for at moment of trade.
the whole trade process I find pretty fascinating because it's pretty much fortune telling haha
best rule of thumb, first month of launch, trade it back and you'll get around half your money back...any longer than that and game quality, popularity and how many copies we hold becomes more of a factor. sports games dont hold their value, COD does
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Now that is an interesting stat, so they'd be effectively reducing sales by nearly 80% any ideas as to what demographic of gamer that is? \
C'mon engineer, take another look at those figures. 80% of sales don't come from PO, 80% of what people get given for PO games gets re-spent on new titles. Ghost didnt mention the proportion of the total new game sales that come from PO trades just the proportion of trade in being respent in store.
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C'mon engineer, take another look at those figures. 80% of sales don't come from PO, 80% of what people get given for PO games gets re-spent on new titles. Ghost didnt mention the proportion of the total new game sales that come from PO trades just the proportion of trade in being respent in store.
I know I made some pretty massive assumptions, but I'm trying to be friendly not an asshole....
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getting pretty sick of answering question "do you know how much it is" two days after announcement
exciting to have a new console but holy repetitive conversations batman
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getting pretty sick of answering question "do you know how much it is" two days after announcement
exciting to have a new console but holy repetitive conversations batman
what's the hype been like ps4 vs XBO?
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getting pretty sick of answering question "do you know how much it is" two days after announcement
exciting to have a new console but holy repetitive conversations batman
So how much will it be?
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http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/publishers-to-receive-cut-of-xbox-one-pre-owned-sales-at-retail/0116137
Interesting.
Also this popped up on reddit too
http://imgur.com/5WXh32l
WHAT THE FUCK?!?! a print out of a photo of you, and a half meter of nichrome wire attached to a watch battery would be enough to fool this machine, as for the claims that it would cross reference your social media, don't give it your facebook details! FUCK! The even more obvious solution is to just buy a PS4.....or a PC....
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This whole pre-owned game scenario is fucking me off.
The software/game industry is the only industry I can think of, that after you pay full price for the product, the creators still have the audacity to tell you, you don't own it and want in on more profit when the game is sold on.
That enrages me.
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You don't own the software you own the licence to run the software, if you actually owned it they would be giving you the source code.
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getting pretty sick of answering question "do you know how much it is" two days after announcement
This is the EB website right now:
(http://iforce.co.nz/i/3xi5tpi4.lqt.jpg)
I'd want to know the price of it as well before pre-ordering.
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This whole pre-owned game scenario is fucking me off.
The software/game industry is the only industry I can think of, that after you pay full price for the product, the creators still have the audacity to tell you, you don't own it and want in on more profit when the game is sold on.
That enrages me.
A game is a digital product, there can really be no such thing as a "pre-owned" game. Technically there is no difference between a 'new' copy and one that has been on-sold.
In the past, game were mainly distributed only on CD and other physical formats, and also came with printed instructions manuals. Second-hand games made sense them because the physical media could degrade and therefore the game has less of a perceived value.
However nowadays with digital distribution, that is no longer the case. It doesn't really make sense anymore that a person should be able to buy a 'pre-owned' game for less then a new copy, still get the same gameplay quality as a new copy, and have none of that money even go to the developers.
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what's the hype been like ps4 vs XBO?
In my shop it's been pretty pro ps4, with a few of the xbox fanboys looking to jump ship....but i think the vast majority are waiting on e3
18 ps4 pre orders Vs 1 for xbox one
This is the EB website right now:
([url]http://iforce.co.nz/i/3xi5tpi4.lqt.jpg[/url])
I'd want to know the price of it as well before pre-ordering.
because pre orders are refundable/transferable, there's no need to hold off....we'll see xbox (and hopefully ps4) pre xmas so any extra time to spread out the cost is a bonus
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Have they released a photo of the ps4 yet?
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Have they released a photo of the ps4 yet?
They did, but the camera they used was out of focus (or it still had vaseline on it from an earlier porn shoot) so the shot was all blury and you couldn't see much of anything.
edit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjXU1anoC5Y
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Have they released a photo of the ps4 yet?
e3
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I'd be much more keen on the Xbox, at least I know what it looks like.
However, as awesome as it would be to walk into my living room and say "xbox on", and have the xbox and tv turn on, in my experience current voice recognition technologies have been crap. Most of the time my 360 has not been able to understand me, either it can't handle the NZ accent, or I can't pronounce my words correctly.
I was impressed by Kinect, so I'm looking forward to see what this new Kinect can do.
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However, as awesome as it would be to walk into my living room and say "xbox on", and have the xbox and tv turn on, in my experience current voice recognition technologies have been crap. Most of the time my 360 has not been able to understand me, either it can't handle the NZ accent, or I can't pronounce my words correctly.
This can be easily fixed.
Stop drinking. It not only hurts you but the people around you.
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I have been sober for 14
months hours. A new personal record.
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To be honest, all the latest reports of Kinect always being on, rumours of it 'listening' together with its 'check how many people are in the room before allowing content to be streamed' is scaring the piss out of me.
1984.
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To be honest, all the latest reports of Kinect always being on, rumours of it 'listening' together with its 'check how many people are in the room before allowing content to be streamed' is scaring the piss out of me.
1984.
Well, it always has to be on and 'listening', how else would it become active when you say "xbox on"?
It doesn't scare me at all, I find that awesome, it's like Star Trek.
That 'check how many people are in the room' thing just sounds like a silly rumour, I haven't seen anything to back that up.
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Having something like that always on, and with the potential to always be listening isn't worth the small novelty of turning the console on with a voice command as opposed to pressing a button.
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Having something like that always on, and with the potential to always be listening isn't worth the small novelty of turning the console on with a voice command as opposed to pressing a button.
Why?
Do you think the CIA is using it to listen to you?
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Why wouldnt they? Im sure Key and the GCSB could make full use of this technology.
While they may not have any reason to listen to anything I do, the fact that they CAN is a little unsettling TBH.
Is this level of tech really necessary for a games console? After all, its only for playing games!
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Why?
Do you think the CIA is using it to listen to you?
Highly unlikely. But giving MS a direct line to my living room is something that I'd like to avoid.
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Just tape a picture of tubgirl to the lens when you dont want it seeing what you're up to?
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I wonder if it will record conversations after certain key words are used... probably not considering said keywords are prevalent in lots of the video games we play nowadays. (I mean this is possible right? Don't they have a system in place in the states where if you say certain keywords over the phone your conversation gets saved to a database?)
Seems like Xbox One isn't at war with the PS4 but really it's a push from Microsoft to beat Apple to the living room. It's a shame that the key selling points are really specific to North America where things like Netflix are actually available but I do like where they're going with it.
Personally I'm waiting for E3 but as it stands I'm leaning toward the PS4.... it's all going to depend on whether the always-online rumors surrounding the Xbox One are true and what the selection of exclusive titles for either console looks like.
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I wonder if it will record conversations after certain key words are used... probably not considering said keywords are prevalent in lots of the video games we play nowadays. (I mean this is possible right? Don't they have a system in place in the states where if you say certain keywords over the phone your conversation gets saved to a database?)
I'm not sure listening in on people playing Xbox games is going to be particularly fruitful to law enforcement the words raging 15 year olds are going to say while playing CoD might trigger millions of false positives.
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Consoles - Meh, and if I did "own" a xbox with kinect and the big brother all seeing eye it would be rad ! I would feel like I was on the trueman show ! Except all it would show was me sitting here in my boxers with chips all over my fat belly typing this message to you guys.
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Consoles - Meh, and if I did "own" a xbox with kinect and the big brother all seeing eye it would be rad ! I would feel like I was on the trueman show ! Except all it would show was me sitting here in my boxers with chips all over my fat belly typing this message to you guys.
Why did you put "own" in quotation marks?
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Why did you put "own" in quotation marks?
Because I am not smarter than a monkey !
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Because I am not smarter than a monkey !
what about a spacemonkey? they're pretty fuckin' wily?
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Take all my money!!!
Shitbox One!
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No need to be scared of Xboxes big brother capabilities they already have all your shit.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/07/prism-tech-giants-shock-nsa-data-mining
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Nice way to lose this generations console war before release, unless Sony announces some cluster fuck next.
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I mean this is possible right? Don't they have a system in place in the states where if you say certain keywords over the phone your conversation gets saved to a database?
The answer to that now is yes that is very likely.
I've completely changed my mind on this issue I thought it was sorta funny people were worried about the kinect being on all the time but now I see this isn't tinfoil hat shit.
Microsoft has just been revealed as being in the pocket of the NSA so it seems actually very likely the NSA will be monitoring people via the XboxOne.
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No need to be scared of Xboxes big brother capabilities they already have all your shit.
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/07/prism-tech-giants-shock-nsa-data-mining[/url]
so how come they weren't able to stop the boston bombers?
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so how come they weren't able to stop the boston bombers?
Because it's no out yet! GOSH!!!
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so how come they weren't able to stop the boston bombers?
Too busy looking at sexting pics and reading celebrities emails.
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Wow, microsoft getting slammed today
Claims that microsoft is paying PR firms to upvote positive xbox comments on reddit, downvote negative ones.
http://au.businessinsider.com/microsoft-positive-reddit-comments-2013-6
Claims that they're paying devs to only show the xbox version of their wares at E3
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Paying-Third-Party-Publishers-to-Not-Show-PS4-Games-at-E3-2013-Report-359264.shtml
Mostly speculation, but man reddit is frothing at the mouth over the xbox, microsoft and that prism thing
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How come Microsoft hasn't been paying me for all my positive Xbox comments? I feel cheated.
Looking forward to what they show at E3.
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I have heard an unconfirmed rumour that the PS 4 has built in legs, and will sneak around at night and steal your jewellery.
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MS.
y u do dis?
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MS.
y u do dis?
Do what? Base news articles on what some user posted as an unconfirmed rumour in an internet forum?
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haven't had a console since i sold the n64 and a fragged to death 007:Golden Eye.
new GPU vs. some next gen spy/ad/malware...not even a question really is it ?
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http://www.mightyape.co.nz/product/Xbox-One/Xbox-One-Day-One-Edition/21416364/
$ (http://www.mightyape.co.nz/product/Xbox-One/Xbox-One-Day-One-Edition/21416364/)750? No thanks.
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I doubt the PS4 will be any cheaper.
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Does anyone know if the Xbox one will be backward compatible with existing 360 controllers?
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You wont be able to use XBox360 controllers on the XBox One.
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Wow, microsoft getting slammed today
Claims that microsoft is paying PR firms to upvote positive xbox comments on reddit, downvote negative ones.
[url]http://au.businessinsider.com/microsoft-positive-reddit-comments-2013-6[/url]
Reddit has made a response
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1fyjgr/regarding_xbox_one_and_allegations_of_voterigging/
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haven't seen this comment, and surprised if one of our guys has been quoted somewhere but...
considering gamestop & specialist stores that rely on the preowned market sell something like 80% of all consoles sold....it's a valid comment.
new hardware drives customers to specialist stores like no ones business, today has been a great example of that, I had groups of people discussing the pro's & cons of both consoles with me all through today.
and because of that, both manufacturers WILL be coming up with a better solution for preowned rather than just locking it all down...which at the end of the day is pretty consumer hostile anyway.
back to the topic at hand, nothing here has lured me away from playstation for my console, and many of my customers....even the previous xbox fan boys, seem pretty disappointed to...but the proof will be at E3
Sony just saved your ass too Ghost.
(http://i.imgur.com/ymUneDP.jpg)
But then they did this:
(http://i.imgur.com/OFsEg4c.png)
which makes buying from here easy
http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-4-Launch-Edition/dp/B00BGA9WK2/ref=sr_tr_sr_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370992206&sr=8-1&keywords=playstation+4
USD$399 = NZD$506
https://ebgames.co.nz/featured/e3-2013?utm_source=ebgames&utm_campaign=site-skin&utm_medium=banner&utm_content=550+-+E3+-+Home
And you're charging how much?!?
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Yep, pick me up an PS4 while I'm overseas. Win.
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I think in some ways the Xbox one is a bit ahead of it's time.
In 5 years from now, turning stuff on via voice command will be common place, all games will be purchased digitally (no more discs, and therefore no more used game industry). Internet streaming TV will be the norm.
However Microsoft is trying to force these things onto people now, and they aren't ready for it.
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Use your android phone for the above?
In any case, you cannot use the console without the sensor? Lock down games? OTT price?
XBone will fail. You should see the uproar on reddit. Its even all over Sony's stock, links to how the XBone was killed by sony at E3.
(http://i.imgur.com/fvDyZnb.png)
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Holy shit $500!!!
I'm so in.
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^^ 10000 posts
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Xbox drops restrictions on used games.
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update
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Xbox One relauched as Xbox One Eighty
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Xbox drops restrictions on used games.
[url]http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update[/url]
It must be costing microsoft a fortun. As you'll no doubt know, even in software major changes to the design near the end of a project cost a lot.
I find the "feedback" bit hard to swallow, like microsoft have sown their seed, shown their colours.....the trust isn't there....
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I trust them. Unlike most people, I actually understood why they were doing what they were doing.