Are you suggesting that the President of Iran is deranged?Yes, but that doesn't mean he is not AWESOME
If you think 9/11 was an act orchestrated by the U.S. Government, you are deranged and not to be taken seriously.
If you think 9/11 was an act orchestrated by the U.S. Government, you are deranged and not to be taken seriously.
I often wonder what the moon is made of, if not cheese.
Dirt made of oxygen? Now that's a conspiracy!
The plane hit towards the top yet the building fell like a planned demolition.
Spose that what happens when your cousins tried everything but heroin and cocaine
he's wrong.
the building collapse makes sense easily. if you doubt just build 100 story building and fly a plane into it. you'll see
I disagree, especially since the building was designed to withstand impact from airplanes, and other, correlatory evidence, but that's the nature of these things...some people buy the official story and others are more suspect.
Quote from: Dr_Woohoo;1264728he's wrong.
the building collapse makes sense easily. if you doubt just build 100 story building and fly a plane into it. you'll see
I disagree, especially since the building was designed to withstand impact from airplanes, and other, correlatory evidence, but that's the nature of these things...some people buy the official story and others are more suspect.
I will go with the Engineers for 911.
It was all too convenient, and don't get me started on the Pentagon, the passenger lists, the passport that survived the incineration, the squibs, the dancing Israeli 'Arts Students', Larry Silverstein saying "we pulled it" (regarding building 7), the firemen hearing explosions, the 'maintenance' undertaken on the WTC buildings in the weeks prior and cetera
the building was designed to withstand impact from airplanes
The plane hit towards the top yet the building fell like a planned demolition.
Quote from: Ultrarandom;1264724The plane hit towards the top yet the building fell like a planned demolition.
Not to mention, just because something is designed one way, doesn't mean it gets built that way. A lot of stuff will get changed on the floor, usually when its well out of the engineers hands.
Just like things that are called "bullet proof'" and "fire proof", they aren't actually immune to bullets or fire.
Quote from: Bell;1264789Just like things that are called "bullet proof'" and "fire proof", they aren't actually immune to bullets or fire.
what? yes they are, arn't they?
A bullet proof vest will stop a bullet ( well obviously not larger rounds) from penetrating you, and I thought fireproof meant it wouldn't ignite, Just get really hot and get scorched D:
Quote from: toofast;1264783Quote from: Ultrarandom;1264724The plane hit towards the top yet the building fell like a planned demolition.
Not to mention, just because something is designed one way, doesn't mean it gets built that way. A lot of stuff will get changed on the floor, usually when its well out of the engineers hands.
Of course it is built the way it is designed. You are talking about the tallest building in the world ( at the time of build) do you think they just changed the structure as it was going up? LOL
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1264758I will go with the Engineers for 911.
It was all too convenient, and don't get me started on the Pentagon, the passenger lists, the passport that survived the incineration, the squibs, the dancing Israeli 'Arts Students', Larry Silverstein saying "we pulled it" (regarding building 7), the firemen hearing explosions, the 'maintenance' undertaken on the WTC buildings in the weeks prior and cetera
Buildings of that size are probably under constant maintenance.
And I doubt any amount of money would be enough to keep quiet hundreds of Americans who were supposedly in on this conspiracy to kill thousands of Americans.
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1264755the building was designed to withstand impact from airplanes
wtf? People expect to be hit by airplanes these days?
what? yes they are, arn't they?
A bullet proof vest will stop a bullet ( well obviously not larger rounds) from penetrating you, and I thought fireproof meant it wouldn't ignite, Just get really hot and get scorched D:
Theories.So's gravity, evolution and relativity. You saying there's no truth in these either?
wtf? People expect to be hit by airplanes these days?Of course. Since 1945 when a plane accidentally hit the Empire State Building (which didn't fall down, despite being built with 50 year old technology compared to WTC) because of poor weather, all buildings over 54 stories in the USA are designed to withstand earthquakes, high winds, and planes. Most in the rest of the world probably are too.
Of course. Since 1945 when a plane accidentally hit the Empire State Building (which didn't fall down, despite being built with 50 year old technology compared to WTC) because of poor weather, all buildings over 54 stories in the USA are designed to withstand earthquakes, high winds, and planes. Most in the rest of the world probably are too.
9/11 is one of the conspiracy theories that has legs,Like Heather Mills. But seriously, produce ONE person (out of the cast of thousands) who was involved. Surely there is SOMEONE out there who has a conscience and want's to get it off their chest?
consider the impact of 2 boeing 747's hurtling into 2 seperate buildings
be enough to bring me down
I like the fact that i have worked in construction of major industrial/commercial buildings for the past 6 years
You learn a lot
Like, 100 story buildings are built better then many people give them credit for. The towers were steal, the strongest construction material on the planet. A single plane brings it down?
Sif
If you outright believe whats told to you on that incident (regarding offical reports, etc) you've got about as many watts as a broken light bulb, Zarkov.
I like the fact that i have worked in construction of major industrial/commercial buildings for the past 6 years
Quote from: swindle;1265235I like the fact that i have worked in construction of major industrial/commercial buildings for the past 6 years
You learn a lot
Like, 100 story buildings are built better then many people give them credit for. The towers were steal, the strongest construction material on the planet. A single plane brings it down?
Sif
If you outright believe whats told to you on that incident (regarding offical reports, etc) you've got about as many watts as a broken light bulb, Zarkov.
Badly spelled hogwash.
Quote from: swindle;1265235I like the fact that i have worked in construction of major industrial/commercial buildings for the past 6 years
Which bit of information did you learn in the last 6 years that about fast moving large aircraft VS tall buildings that makes this thing impossible?
Like, 100 story buildings are built better then many people give them credit for.
Quote from: swindle;1265235Like, 100 story buildings are built better then many people give them credit for.
Who isn't giving them credit? i think people realise 100 story buildings are well built, else they would fall down all the time.
Also on how it fell down. Its not like a 1500000 tonne block of steel just sitting there. Its a tall tower. Even at the most basic physics level, of torques, and reaction forces, you should realise its not as simple as comparing the numbers. When you take into account complex loading, stress, crack propagation, and the many many different thing that happen when you get a complex structure, its really not that simple. Especially when you also add the steel changing forms at the high temperatures, as someone mentions before.
68 tons worth of energy could dissipate into 1.5 million fairly easy,
...
Btw, i always found this a bit of a sticking point...
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Thermate ftw
I'm no engineering expert, but i did watch a program on the History channel yesterday about a suspension bridge over the Ohio River ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Bridge_(bridge))[/url] that collapsed completely because of some rust in ONE support beam. This occured randomly after the bridge had been up for forty years - and i'm sure the engineers at the time would have said that was "impossible".
But you learn that something made of steel and concrete weighing in at 1,500,000 tons can't even be touched by something weighing in at 68 tons (and thats MTOW weight)
Kindly explain how some of the strongest steel structures on the planet (that where designed to take a aircraft impact) where brought down something 1/22000 of its own weight?
You're into physics, yes? Thought you would have been interested in questioning it all, instead of throwing on a wool coat and munching away at the grass...
Maybe you should learn something about physics too, like momentum.
Maybe you should learn something about aeroplanes - they were 757's that flew into the Towers, not 737's. Oh, and it seems like there's a typo in your listing - the 737-100 doesn't have a MAUW of 500t - that's more than a jumbo.
Maybe you should fucking learn something about steel construction too, like Shear weight.
Wow the 737-100 sure has a high max takeoff weight.
Do not trust chart.
Quote from: Spacemonkey;1265322Maybe you should learn something about physics too, like momentum.
Did i not mention something about not belittling people, dick.
Maybe you should fucking learn something about steel construction too, like Shear weight.
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Fuck you guys are pricks
Pretty pathetic, considering you're supposed to be forum models, not forum cuntbags.
Don't be asking for help in the Hardware section, your thread may become accidentally deleted.
Fuck you guys are pricks
You know that?
So someone thinks that the whole truth aint there, and any little dig you'll take it?
Pretty pathetic, considering you're supposed to be forum models, not forum cuntbags.
Don't be asking for help in the Hardware section, your thread may become accidentally deleted.
Please rearrange your toys as indicated below.
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All i'm saying is,
I don't believe the whole truth is out there
I don't feel i should be ridiculed for such things, i mean hell, if you're going to ridicule me for what i believe regarding 911, i pity any religious folk on here...
But whatever, lets have a laugh
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The spacecraft late last month began sending science data 8.6 billion miles to Earth in a changed format that mission managers could not decode.Quote
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/have-aliens-hijacked-voyager-2-spacecraft/story-e6frev20-1225865566982 (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/have-aliens-hijacked-voyager-2-spacecraft/story-e6frev20-1225865566982)
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Yes, Zarkov is right, they were 767's, not 737's.
I am on a slow connection so only watched a small part of that video.
What exactly is it trying to say?
Is it saying that CNN bought footage off some amatuer (sic) who had edited in planes?
It cant be saying that. That is far too absurd, even for you people.
rofl, you guys still going on about 'planes'?
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Imagine, just imagine if 911 was the biggest tv scandal in human history, and it was all bullshit...
Imagine
Quote from: BerG;1265425I am on a slow connection so only watched a small part of that video.
What exactly is it trying to say?
Is it saying that CNN bought footage off some amatuer (sic) who had edited in planes?
It cant be saying that. That is far too absurd, even for you people.
Well, because you only watched a part of it...
Why is it to absurd?
Quote from: Spacemonkey;1265355Yes, Zarkov is right, they were 767's, not 737's.Zarkov's wrong - they were 757's.Actually, we're both right - the four aircraft were two 767's and two 757's.
5000 dead people is a small price to pay for 3.125 trillion dollars in oil
5000 dead people is a small price to pay for 3.125 trillion dollars in oil
Because I was watching it live when it happened?
Like the old school way
We want it so were taking it, though shit
Quote from: BerG;1265443
Because I was watching it live when it happened?
So that'd make you and George W. the only people who saw it 'live'.
It's nice you trust the media so much.
Imagine Imagine
Imagine
If the government did this, they would not be stupid enough to hatch such a complicated plan.
My job is done, then :P
Remember the 'neighbour's dog' thread?Quote from: BerG;1265476This is my last post.
I don't believe you.
Oh, in this thread you mean?
That's a shame. I haven't even started on the 7/7 bombings in London.
Reverie?
At the end of the day you get your info from a selected media source as well determined on the premise America is always upto no good/evil, seriously your media no fucken better.
So how DID they do it then?
So that'd make you and George W. the only people who saw it 'live'.
It's nice you trust the media so much.
Quote from: BerG;1265443
Because I was watching it live when it happened?
So that'd make you and George W. the only people who saw it 'live'.
It's nice you trust the media so much.
I know someone who was talking to someone on the phone who was in New York while it was happening.
Events seemed to coincide.
But I guess they were in on it too.
So how DID they do it then?
Are you just trying to wind me up?
I know someone who was talking to someone on the phone who was in New York while it was happening.
Events seemed to coincide.
Lol.
There was no planes. I mean seriously that is so very ridiculous.
Seems to me Grim took way way too much acid in the 70s.
Seems to me Grim took way way too much acid in the 70s.
Wait so what you are telling me, is you believe that the twin towers were blown up with explosives, but rather than blame it on a terrorist bombing, they put planes into all the amateur footage of the towers going down. And then bribed all the eye witnesses (i would assume it would be done before hand, since if a plane hits the twin towers, first thing most people would do, is call someone. But i suppose if we are believe all the above, wouldn't be too hard to believe the goverment hacked everyones phones using a visual basic gui, and stopped them calling anyone [or even faked the whole convo].), while stop any non bribed person out of the area. While also making sure nobody could see the towers from even the furthest outstretches of the city ( i suppose bribe the whole city). Then somehow bribed all the people in the tower (probably done after, since who would go into the tower knowing they would die[unless all the bodies and peoples deaths was faked]) to tell everyone they saw a plane hit the towers.Quote from: toofast;1265573Lol.
There was no planes. I mean seriously that is so very ridiculous.
Yes, it's preposterous, which is what they WANT you to think ;)
Wait so what you are telling me, is you believe that the twin towers were blown up with explosives, but rather than blame it on a terrorist bombing, they put planes into all the amateur footage of the towers going down. And then bribed all the eye witnesses (i would assume it would be done before hand, since if a plane hits the twin towers, first thing most people would do, is call someone. But i suppose if we are believe all the above, wouldn't be too hard to believe the goverment hacked everyones phones using a visual basic gui, and stopped them calling anyone [or even faked the whole convo].), while stop any non bribed person out of the area. While also making sure nobody could see the towers from even the furthest outstretches of the city ( i suppose bribe the whole city). Then somehow bribed all the people in the tower (probably done after, since who would go into the tower knowing they would die[unless all the bodies and peoples deaths was faked]) to tell everyone they saw a plane hit the towers.
Wait so what you are telling me, is you believe
I'm not taking sides here, but what you have said is a little interesting.I meant in regards to the many videos posted on the other page with planes in it (which someone said had planes added to them). But i do get what you are getting at.
What makes you think that the only way that they could of falsified the footage was to take already captured footage from the public and added planes? That'd be a pretty silly and arse about face way to do it.
Lets say your back is turned, you have your car parked on a street and some guy drives into it, totals it and manages to drive away without you really seeing what happens. All it takes for you to understand what had happened is for someone to come up and say "I saw what happened, a another car crashed into yours". The situation calls for it to be true, it was plausible and driving statistics and crashes already suggest that something like this is very likley to happen.
You're being told something has happened, circumstantial evidence and someones 'word' tells you it's true, so you have no reason to doubt it so your brain takes it as the gospel.
Wait so the point of this thread is to float very unlikely scenarios by, saying they can't be ruled out, because the very very small chance it could be true.Quote from: toofast;1265718
Wait so what you are telling me, is you believe
Don't get ahead of yourself there. I haven't said I believe. I HAVE said that I think it is important to look into alternative possibilities.
In another post I said I think that 911 "has legs" as a conspiracy and re-reiterate that it merits further investigation.
There's still plenty more to post, including some information about the possibility of planes...including remote-controlled planes, NORAD, the Pentagon strengthening, and cetera.
Could I remind you of the title of this thread and my comments in the first post? ;)
Quote from: toofast;1265718
Wait so what you are telling me, is you believe
Don't get ahead of yourself there. I haven't said I believe. I HAVE said that I think it is important to look into alternative possibilities.
In another post I said I think that 911 "has legs" as a conspiracy and re-reiterate that it merits further investigation.
There's still plenty more to post, including some information about the possibility of planes...including remote-controlled planes, NORAD, the Pentagon strengthening, and cetera.
Could I remind you of the title of this thread and my comments in the first post? ;)
Wait so the point of this thread is to float very unlikely scenarios by, saying they can't be ruled out, because the very very small chance it could be true.
Yes, there are lots on there that would fit that bill, but there are also others who debate them well and provide really good links.
Most people who are conspiracy theory 'field experts" are fucking nuts... grim gave me a website a while back... http://www.abovetopsecret.com that site is full of fucking idiots who feed of each others stupidities.
C'mon Grim, get off the fence.
On the one hand you like to be regarded as a man of science (sic) and an authority on some things.
On the other, you keep postulating that there might be some truth in this lunatic stuff.
Grim, please read this:
[url]http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html[/url]
Tbh, there far more credible evidence on how the Nuremberg Trials were a total mock trial and questions over the number dead from the Holocaust. But oops, taboo subject and any questioning over the official story and figures = 'Holocaust denier'.
Really, You know where I get my news from?
Care to give me sources?
Did I say that America was evil?
Did I mention where I get my news from?
Did I say I relied on one source?
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1265496Really, You know where I get my news from?
I think you filter what you look at in teh very same way that a religious person does, the fact you feel the need to go far out of the way to disbelieve 911 points to that tendency/need.QuoteCare to give me sources?
http://www.iliketojackofftoconspiracytheorys.com, http://www.imarebelbutidontrealiseimatrendfollwingconformistmyself.com etc.QuoteDid I say that America was evil?
I said websites/etc, besides Ive seen your previous posts(for longer than this account has existed), i already have a idea what type of personality/chips on your shoulder you have, you'd sooner visit a "America is always upto no good/evil" filtered web site cos you think thats where the lol@truth lies.QuoteDid I mention where I get my news from?
Why bother its obvious what you subscribe to.QuoteDid I say I relied on one source?
When i say source i mean filtered sources, no trendy conspiracy fan boy can limit themselves to one filtered source obviously.
...know someone who was talking to someone....that old chestnut!
As if this plot wasn't sufficiently challenging, there were Truth activists who became persuaded of even more technologically complex possibilities. On the fifth anniversary of the attacks, the New Statesman carried an interview with David Shayler and his partner Annie Machon, the former employees of MI5. The interviewer describes Machon as looking uncomfortable when Shayler decides to reveal his true opinion. “‘Oh f*** it, I'm just going to say this', (Shayler) tells her. ‘Yes, I believe no planes were involved in 9/ll.' But we all saw with our own eyes the two planes crash into the WTC. ‘The only explanation is that they were missiles surrounded by holograms made to look like planes,' he says. ‘Watch footage frame by frame and you will see a cigar-shaped missile hitting the World Trade Center.' He must notice that my jaw has dropped. ‘I know it sounds weird, but this is what I believe.'”
There are serious doubts. That's why there are movements such as 'Architects for 911 Truth' etc...I don't think you're gullible, I just think that , like many, you haven't felt a need to question it because the official explanation worked for you, and as I've repeatedly said, it doesn't work for me. Maybe I come from a less-trusting of authority paradigm? I don't know. All I'm trying to say, (and all I've ever said) is it doesn't seem right to me. You might think it's not rational and you're entitled to your (somewhat misguided?) opinion. I think it is rational to question, especially since the story came out so quickly and certain parts have already been shown to be less than truthful (i.e.the involvement of Osama Bin Laden).
So how DID they do it then?
Quote from: TofuEater;1265560So how DID they do it then?
MAYBE
when FBI agent Ken Williams filed his report that Muslims were having flight training [url]http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0412042phoenix1.html,[/url] it didn't get ignored as claimed by the FBI, it was actually followed up. 2 flight schools go on record to say that indeed the FBI had been asking questions about some of the hijackers. [url]http://www.prisonplanet.com/fbi_knew_terrorists_using_flight_schools.html.[/url]
So for the sake of my argument lets say that happened. The FBI look into it and that there might be a plot to use aircraft's as a missile. They go to the CIA, as it involves foreign nationals and they do their thing and uncover the plot.
Now the CIA would report to Cheney and he thinks, cool, this is the Pearl Harbour that we have been looking for. We can secure oil, use up a big stockpile of our weapons, making him even richer and get the numbskull George W re elected. I'm sure even the Americans would have got suspicious rigging 2 elections in a row.
So they just keep tabs on the terrorists, but soon realize that their plan will not work as the World Trade centre is designed to withstand planes flying into them. They dispatch a squad of well trained black ops dudes to ensure the towers come down and possibly even help them via remote control to hit the buildings. Lots of pilots have stated it is extremely difficult to aim a plane at a building travelling at 800km/hr.
The black op team sets up quarters in building 7, and carries out it's mission. They then detonate building 7 to cover up their tracks.
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So you don't need a cast of thousands to carry this out. A few in government, a few top ranking CIA and FBI officials and the black op team. None of these would ever spill the story as they would be done for treason.
Disclaimer.. I am not saying it did go down like this, just pointing out that you do not need thousands or even hundreds in on this for it to work. I do not believe that aliens have control of our government or our minds. I am not a conspiracy theorist( whatever that means).
I like Grim just think the official story does not stack up( geddit) and have looked into it a little
How difficult would it have been for them to do what they did?
Not very difficult at all. As long as you can fly straight and level and you know how the controls operate the aircraft and have some idea how the aircraft is going to respond, flying straight into a building is not difficult.
Those aircraft were probably flying on autopilot and had the Flight Management Computer programmed. Knowing how to disengage that and reprogramme it to get from where they were to where they wanted to go would have been the most difficult thing.
Or maybe aliens do control our government.
What hit the two buildings were alien missiles which had some kind of adaptive camouflage to make them look like planes.
It's preposterous I know, but that's what they want you to think.
From your link
How much training do you think these hijackers had?
I would say the guy in the second 767 which hit the World Trade Centre was pretty experienced - unless it was luck. He didn't just fly at the building, he manoeuvred it to cause maximum damage.
He put the aircraft into a 'slip', which is when you roll the aircraft wings but keep the nose aligned with the building and that requires you to roll the aircraft using one set of controls but keep the nose pointed in the same direction using the rudders. That's not something you can pick up from manuals.
That's not something you can pick up from manuals.
From your link
How much training do you think these hijackers had?
I would say the guy in the second 767 which hit the World Trade Centre was pretty experienced - unless it was luck. He didn't just fly at the building, he manoeuvred it to cause maximum damage.
He put the aircraft into a 'slip', which is when you roll the aircraft wings but keep the nose aligned with the building and that requires you to roll the aircraft using one set of controls but keep the nose pointed in the same direction using the rudders. That's not something you can pick up from manuals.
God just read the thing
[url]http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html[/url]
9:59. New York City, New York. The South Tower of the World Trade Center collapses to the ground in approximately 10 seconds.
How approximate is that measurement?
29 minutes later the North Tower follows suit, collapsing in approximately 10 seconds.
How approximate is that measurement?
To put that quote in context, it had been asked earlier in the interview if you could learn to fly a plane solely from reading the manual.
I think you missed my point entirely, as I can't seem to decipher your reply. The interviewee is saying he was experienced compared to someone who had only read the aircraft manual.
To put that quote in context, it had been asked earlier in the interview if you could learn to fly a plane solely from reading the manual.
Quote from: mattnz;1266052I think you missed my point entirely, as I can't seem to decipher your reply. The interviewee is saying he was experienced compared to someone who had only read the aircraft manual.
I don't think you understood my explanation at all.
What I was saying is that slipping an aircraft in that situation was probably inadvertent, regardless of the experience of the pilot.
They didn't have to takeoff either :>Quote from: Zarkov;1266066Quote from: mattnz;1266052I think you missed my point entirely, as I can't seem to decipher your reply. The interviewee is saying he was experienced compared to someone who had only read the aircraft manual.
I don't think you understood my explanation at all.
What I was saying is that slipping an aircraft in that situation was probably inadvertent, regardless of the experience of the pilot.
So it was chance? Like it says in the original passage that you quoted. Probably why I missed your point.
Of course you do. There's no way you could truck a few tonnes of explosives into a building without anyone knowing about it. That's where the conspiracy falls down very quickly - there would be someone, somewhere who knows about it, if it occurred. And at some point, one (and it only takes ONE) person to have a crisis of conscience and decide to spill the beans.
So you don't need a cast of thousands to carry this out.
Those aircraft were probably flying on autopilot and had the Flight Management Computer programmed. Knowing how to disengage that and reprogramme it to get from where they were to where they wanted to go would have been the most difficult thing.
Quote from: SteddieEddie;1265976
So you don't need a cast of thousands to carry this out.
Of course you do. There's no way you could truck a few tonnes of explosives into a building without anyone knowing about it. That's where the conspiracy falls down very quickly - there would be someone, somewhere who knows about it, if it occurred. And at some point, one (and it only takes ONE) person to have a crisis of conscience and decide to spill the beans.
And don't give me the bollocks about them being popped off if they tried to tell the world, because the moment that happened the rest of them would spill the beans because they would know that's the only way they would ensure they stayed alive.
Want further proof? Read up on some game theory sometime to figure out the scenario. The consipiracy theory doesn't fit any game theory, so therefore it cannot exist. :P
[url]http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm[/url]
What, pray tell, is the supposed motivation behind not just telling everyone that Paul is dead, and replacing him?
Seismologists are puzzled in their analysis of signals recorded at this time, as the contradictions are significant. They are particularly intrigued by the presence of seismic "peaks" before the collapses (see figure 4). This text focuses on the study of seismic signals and aims to demonstrate that consistency only appears once we leave the official version of events. It gives rise to a new interpretation that renders the assertions of the "official version" null and void.
(*) André Rousseau, Docteur d'État, is a retired researcher at CNRS where he studied the relations between the characteristics of progressive mechanical waves and geology. He published numerous peer-reviewed articles on geophysics and participated in numerous conferences, including selection committees. In this article he puts forward evidence that the seismic waves recorded on September 11, 2001 in New York are the result of subterranean and subaerial explosions that were part of the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers and WTC7.
Let it suffice to say that it is physically impossible to fly a 200,000-lb airliner 20 feet above the ground at 400 MPH.
The author, a pilot and aeronautical engineer, challenges any pilot in the world to do so in any large high-speed aircraft that has a relatively low wing-loading (such as a commercial jet). I.e., to fly the craft at 400 MPH, 20 feet above ground in a flat trajectory over a distance of one mile.
Why the stipulation of 20 feet and a mile? There were several street light poles located up to a mile away from the Pentagon that were snapped-off by the incoming aircraft; this suggests a low, flat trajectory during the final pre-impact approach phase. Further, it is known that the craft impacted the Pentagon’s ground floor. For purposes of reference: If a 757 were placed on the ground on its engine nacelles (I.e., gear retracted as in flight profile), its nose would be about fifteen feet above the ground. Ergo, for the aircraft to impact the ground floor of the Pentagon, Hanjour would have needed to have flown in with the engines buried in the Pentagon lawn. Some pilot...........The author recently received a letter from a senior 757 captain currently flying with one of the airlines involved in 9/11. It contains the following statement:
“Regarding your comments on flight simulators, several of my colleagues and I have tried to simulate the ‘hijacker’s’ final approach maneuvers into the towers on our company 767 simulator. We tried repeated tight, steeply banked 180 turns at 500 mph followed by a fast rollout and lineup with a tall building. More than two-thirds of those who attempted the maneuver failed to make a ‘hit’. How these rookies who couldn’t fly a trainer pulled this off is beyond comprehension.”
So your cruise missile snapped all those light poles did it?
In fact, here’s what their flight instructors had to say about the aptitude of these budding aviators:
Mohammed Atta: “His attention span was zero.”
[url]http://www.willthomas.net/911/911_Commission_Hearing.htm[/url]
Khalid Al-Mihdhar: “We didn’t kick him out, but he didn’t live up to our standards.”
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Marwan Al-Shehhi: “He was dropped because of his limited English and incompetence at the controls.”
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Salem Al-Hazmi: “We advised him to quit after two lessons.”
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Hani Hanjour: “His English was horrible, and his mechanical skills were even worse. It was like he had hardly even ever driven a car. I’m still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon. He could not fly at all.”
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QuoteIn fact, here’s what their flight instructors had to say about the aptitude of these budding aviators:
Mohammed Atta: “His attention span was zero.”
[url]http://www.willthomas.net/911/911_Commission_Hearing.htm[/url]
Khalid Al-Mihdhar: “We didn’t kick him out, but he didn’t live up to our standards.”
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Marwan Al-Shehhi: “He was dropped because of his limited English and incompetence at the controls.”
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Salem Al-Hazmi: “We advised him to quit after two lessons.”
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Hani Hanjour: “His English was horrible, and his mechanical skills were even worse. It was like he had hardly even ever driven a car. I’m still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon. He could not fly at all.”
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My Indian students used to be great at flying into buildings (or at least they would have, had I not taken over).
It was the straight & level they struggled with.
Thanks for reading the article Matt.
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1301508Thanks for reading the article Matt.
Sorry, gets hard to keep up with what you believe sometimes.
So the authorities snapping the light poles in advance is what definitely happened?
It's irrational to think that 'Arab' terrorists did it, when one investigates the events.
Because that's involving a more people in top secret treason, when it is unlikely that afterwards people would have asked, "Hey, why aren't there any snapped lightposts?", or something?
It's irrational to think that 'Arab' terrorists did it, when one investigates the events.
I can quite happily accept MOSSAD involvement however.....an upscale version of the USS Liberty.
;)
It's a thirty year conspiracy...Senator Bob Kerrey.
But then, it must be 'nice' living in a conspiracy-free world, huh?
Bush received a memo saying that the terrorists were looking for targets to attack in New York and he did nothing.
The collapse of the building, forget what its called
This CIA "Red Cell" report from February 2, 2010, looks at what will happen if it is internationally understood that the United States is an exporter of terrorism; 'Contrary to common belief, the American export of terrorism or terrorists is not a recent phenomenon, nor has it been associated only with Islamic radicals or people of Middle Eastern, African or South Asian ethnic origin. This dynamic belies the American belief that our free, open and integrated multicultural society lessens the allure of radicalism and terrorism for US citizens.' The report looks at a number cases of US exported terrorism, including attacks by US based or financed Jewish, Muslim and Irish-nationalism terrorists. It concludes that foreign perceptions of the US as an "Exporter of Terrorism" together with US double standards in international law, may lead to noncooperation in renditions (including the arrest of CIA officers) and the decision to not share terrorism related intelligence with the United States.
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Hmmm, things are getting interesting:
[url]http://wikileaks.org/wiki/CIA_Red_Cell_Memorandum_on_United_States_%22exporting_terrorism%22,_2_Feb_2010[/url] ([url]http://wikileaks.org/wiki/CIA_Red_Cell_Memorandum_on_United_States_%22exporting_terrorism%22,_2_Feb_2010[/url])QuoteThis CIA "Red Cell" report from February 2, 2010, looks at what will happen if it is internationally understood that the United States is an exporter of terrorism; 'Contrary to common belief, the American export of terrorism or terrorists is not a recent phenomenon, nor has it been associated only with Islamic radicals or people of Middle Eastern, African or South Asian ethnic origin. This dynamic belies the American belief that our free, open and integrated multicultural society lessens the allure of radicalism and terrorism for US citizens.' The report looks at a number cases of US exported terrorism, including attacks by US based or financed Jewish, Muslim and Irish-nationalism terrorists. It concludes that foreign perceptions of the US as an "Exporter of Terrorism" together with US double standards in international law, may lead to noncooperation in renditions (including the arrest of CIA officers) and the decision to not share terrorism related intelligence with the United States.
by motivating antigovernment forces to
cease lethal and nonlethal operations, by creating and providing jobs along with other
forms of financial assistance to the indigenous population,
I don't see that as being a conspiracy
Conspiracy theory is a term that originally was a neutral descriptor for any claim of civil, criminal, or political conspiracy. However, it has become largely pejorative and used almost exclusively to refer to any fringe theory which explains an historical or current event as the result of a secret plot by conspirators of almost superhuman power and cunning
If we are talking about the word conspiracy in the traditional sense then yes I guess CIA involvement
in trying to overthrow governments the US doesn't like are sizable conspiracies.
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According to article published in May 2010 issue of the Mufon UFO Journal - Ben Rich, the “Father of the Stealth Fighter-Bomber” and former head of Lockheed Skunk Works,had once let out information about Extraterrestrial UFO Visitors Are Real And U.S. Military Travel To Stars..........What he said might be new to many people today, but he revealed the information before his death in January 1995. His statements helped to give credence to reports that the U.S. military has been flying vehicles that mimic alien craft.
The article was written by Tom Keller, an aerospace engineer who has worked as a computer systems analyst for NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
NUGGET ONE: “Inside the Skunk Works (Lockheed’s secret research and development entity), we were a small, intensely cohesive group consisting of about fifty veteran engineers and designers and a hundred or so expert machinists and shop workers. Our forte was building technologically advanced airplanes of small number and of high class for highly secret missions.”
NUGGET TWO: “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.”
[url]http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2010/08/ufo-are-real-ben-rich-lockheed-skunk.html[/url] ([url]http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2010/08/ufo-are-real-ben-rich-lockheed-skunk.html[/url]):blink: :lol: not bad Grim not badQuoteAccording to article published in May 2010 issue of the Mufon UFO Journal - Ben Rich, the “Father of the Stealth Fighter-Bomber” and former head of Lockheed Skunk Works,had once let out information about Extraterrestrial UFO Visitors Are Real And U.S. Military Travel To Stars..........What he said might be new to many people today, but he revealed the information before his death in January 1995. His statements helped to give credence to reports that the U.S. military has been flying vehicles that mimic alien craft.
The article was written by Tom Keller, an aerospace engineer who has worked as a computer systems analyst for NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
NUGGET ONE: “Inside the Skunk Works (Lockheed’s secret research and development entity), we were a small, intensely cohesive group consisting of about fifty veteran engineers and designers and a hundred or so expert machinists and shop workers. Our forte was building technologically advanced airplanes of small number and of high class for highly secret missions.”
NUGGET TWO: “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.”
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Oh fuck YES!
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There just isn't (sic) enough facepalm.gifs in all the world...
So there are several ideas of how the moon came into existence; mine is that it a large space ship, towed from solar system to solar system with its prime mission to help jump start lesser advanced civilizations, spending many thousands and thousands of years in secret manipulations and stimulations, until that lesser civilization can continue on their own, then moving to another solar system.
Oh crikey is right.
There is a civilization of human beings who live on the Moon. This is the biggest and best kept secret on earth.
The nearside of the Moon, which is the side that faces earth, appears to be a desolate and unoccupied.
The farside of the moon, which also has a breathable atmosphere also has lakes, rivers, forests, snow-capped mountains and life as we know it here on earth.
Most of mankinds misconceptions about the moon have been carefully and systematically fed to us over thousands of years.
My point isn't that these things are in current application, but the ease of implementation.
And there are innumerable facepalms my friend.
Along with Will Smith, who also suspects something is wrong with the robots. He also suspects there is a large secret organisation covering up the existence of aliens.
I heard this conspiracy where there are these alien robots living amount us and disguise themselves as vehicles. The whole thing is covered up by the government.
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Nazi UFOs.
0.o
Our sun may have a companion that disturbs comets from the edge of the solar system — a giant planet with up to four times the mass of Jupiter, researchers suggest.
A NASA space telescope launched last year may soon detect such a stealth companion to our sun, if it actually exists, in the distant icy realm of the comet-birthing Oort cloud, which surrounds our solar system with billions of icy objects.
The potential jumbo Jupiter would likely be a world so frigid it is difficult to spot, researchers said. It could be found up to 30,000 astronomical units from the sun. One AU is the distance between the Earth and the sun, about 93 million miles (150 million km).
This web page will show how, and where NASA faked the lunar approach, lunar orbit, lunar landing, and lunar take off, for all the Apollo Moon landing video's. Contrary to what many believe, the sequences were not shot in a desert, Hollywood studio, or Area 51. There may have been the odd picture taken at Area 51, and a few Apollo pictures that were taken in some remote desert, but the majority of stills and video were performed at Langley Research Center, Hampton, Virginia. Scientist's at NASA knew in the early 60's that a manned mission to the Moon was impossible within 8 years, and a plan to fake the Moon landings was put into operation.
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Oh hell yes!
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Still, it doesn't really delve into the Secret Space Programme, NOT run by NASA.
Ah, here's a little: [url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/astrospies/[/url] ([url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/astrospies/[/url])
0.o
Woomera is an infamous and isolated Outback community established in 1947 for British rocket testing including nuclear tests. The town, located 485 km north of Adelaide, was a restricted area until 1982. The Woomera Protected Area still remains today and is one of the world’s largest land-based rocket ranges. There is also a sizeable population at nearby Nurrungar made up of US military personnel as part of the joint US-Aus Ground Station. The controversial refugee detention centre was relocated in 2003.
Woomera is an infamous and isolated Outback community established in 1947 for British rocket testing including nuclear tests.
My dad used to be the Woomera bank manager before I was born.
The plot thickens.
It makes sense to prohibit and area which gets rockets fired around it. That's not something you would want accidentally drive intro.
The plot thickens.
I would be more worried about how the retarded sperm has effected you
I would be more worried about how the retarded sperm has effected you
Coming from a guy with the number 47 in it, of course you are trying to detract from the main theory here.
A small California biotech company, Epicyte, in 2001 announced the development of genetically engineered corn which contained a spermicide which made the semen of men who ate it sterile.
The international intelligence agencies have many Papal-loyal knights within them & many Jesuit-trained high-level operatives. William Donovan of the OSS, nicknamed the “Father of the CIA” was a Papal Knight of St Sylvester, William Casey was trained at Jesuit Fordham & George Tenet (9/11-era CIA Director) at Jesuit Georgetown, where he has since lectured. William Colby was renknowned as a hardline Roman Catholic & the FBI Director during 9/11 was the Roman Catholic Thomas J. Pickard. The masters that these men served are the Popes & the Jesuit Superior-Generals in Rome.
capabilities of nsa operatives using rnm
There has been a Signals Intelligence network in the U.S. since the 1940′s. The NSA, Ft. Meade has in place a vast two-way wireless RNM system which is used to track subjects and non-invasively monitor audio-visual information in their brain. This is all done with no physical contact with the subject. RNM is the ultimate method of surveillance and domestic intelligence. Speech and 3D sound, and subliminal audio can be sent to the auditory cortex of the subject’s brain (bypassing the ears) and images can be sent into the visual cortex. RNM can alter a subject’s perceptions, moods, and motor control. Speech cortex/auditory cortex link has become the ultimate communications system for the intelligence community. RNM allows for a complete audio-visual brain-to-brain link or brain-to-computer link.
Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. 0.o
Now, that's what I'm talking about. Good find!
Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. 0.o
There are also similar facitlities to H.A.A.R.P. in Australia
Exactly, sounds awesome. I've been waiting for brain to brain communcation for a long time.
It'll never work.
You people are analogue and I'm digital.
Probably all the preservatives.
Probably all the preservatives.
;)
On Monday the South Australia Parliament House in Adelaide was visited by Dr. Paul Connett, Professor of Chemistry and long time "fluoride" fighter and Dr. Andrew Harms former President of the Australian Dental Association, who presented the facts about the flawed "science" of forced water "fluoridation" and many of the harms being caused by this unethical, criminal activity which masquerades as "health" policy.......The public will be shocked to realize that what they have been told about fluoride in the water is far from the truth, and that the "fluoride", unlike that found in high grade toothpastes, is not pharmaceutical in nature but actually industrial chemical and toxic waste product, much of it from China. It is being dispersed into the water supply, where freedom of information requests obtained by Bressington show the high levels of toxicity and the presence of many poisons and even uranium, in Adelaide's water supply....South Australia's people will no doubt conclude upon seeing the evidence, that the governments, officials, departments and media that they have trusted for so long, have not only sold them short, but have been actively promoting sickness and toxicity which benefits only the medical profession, big industry, the pharmaceutical industry and the media and politicians who receive perks and kick-backs from those industries.....
This does not surprise me one bit, Adelaide tap water tastes like arse. This is why I only drink filtered water or rain water.
If comic books have taught us anything (which they have). It's that drinking toxic waste will make you a super hero.
Or a horrible deformed super villain.
In April 1991 he announced on the BBC's Terry Wogan show that he was the son of God, and predicted that the world would soon be devastated by tidal waves and earthquakes.
At the heart of his theories lies the idea that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.Not Kris Kristofferson too?! Those reptilian bastards took Kris!
What followed became what Icke calls his "turquoise period." He began to wear only turquoise because, he explained, it is a conduit of positive energy.I think he is on to something here. I have never been attacked by lizards while wearing turquoise.
The various claims[1][2][4][6] that these objects are either "perfectly round" or perfect spheres is now known to be incorrect as directly observed by Heinrich[8][9][10]. These specimens vary widely in shape, from noticeably flattened spheres to distinct disks. As illustrated by Heinrich[9][10], some of the Klerksdorp spheres are intergrown with each other, like a mass of soap bubbles. The observations and figure refute claims that these objects are either always spherical or isolated in their occurrence. As noted by Heinrich[9][10], even grooved spheres are not perfect spheres and some consist of intergrown spheres.
Similarly, the claims that these objects consist of metal, i.e. "...a nickel-steel alloy which does not occur naturally..." according to Jochmans[4] are definitely false as discovered by Cairncross[7] and Heinrich[9][10]. The fact that many of the web pages that make this claim also incorrectly identify the pyrophyllite quarries, from which these objects came, as the "Wonderstone Silver Mine" is evidence that these authors have not bothered to verify the validity of, in this case, misinformation taken from other sources since these quarries are neither known as silver mines nor has silver ever been mined in them in the decades in which they have been in operation[11][13].
Heinrich[14] notes that one of Michael Cremo's sources regarding the allegedly anomalous spheres was the Weekly World News which he described as "...a [sic] unreliable source of data for discussing the origins of the South African spheres described as used by Forbidden Archeology". As noted by Cairncross[7], it appears that the source of the Weekly World News article is an earlier article by Barritt[3]. This article[3] appeared in a 1982 issue of Scope magazine about these objects. Scope was a South African tabloid-style magazine that, like the Weekly World News, cannot be regarded in any way as being a credible source.
Additionally, Roelf Marx, as quoted in Cairncross[7] and Pope and Cairncross[15], former curator of the Klerksdorp Museum, reports that he was misquoted in regards to these objects. Marx was quoted in popular articles as saying that the objects rotated by themselves in vibration-free display cases in the Klerksdorp Museum. Instead, Roelf Marx stated that they rotated because of the numerous earth tremors generated by underground blasting in local gold mining. Similarly, inquiries of scientists, who studied these objects, have found that the claims that NASA found these objects to be either perfectly balanced, unnatural, or puzzling are completely unsubstantiated[10].
Finally, published descriptions[2][5][6] of these spheres being harder than steel are meaningless in terms of Mohs scale of mineral hardness. Such descriptions are meaningless because depending on either the type of heat treatment, the type of steel alloy, and whether it is case-hardened or not, the hardness of steel can vary quite dramatically. Given that the type of steel is unspecified in these accounts, it is impossible to assign a specific hardness in terms of Mohs scale of mineral hardness from such an observation and determine whether it indicates them to be abnormally hard. There is a complete lack of any data published in any formal scientific paper, which substantiates that any of these spheres are abnormally hard as implied by such purely anecdotal accounts by non-geologists of these objects being harder than steel[10].
Geologists[7][8][9][10] agree that the Klerksdorp spheres originated as concretions, which formed in volcanic sediments, ash, or both, after they accumulated 3.0 billion years ago
Who here is aware of Kleksdorp spheres? Manufactured by intelligent hands, these things have been carbon dated at 3.8 Billion years old. 3.8 billion years ago, the earth wasn't even a solid mass.
However, there is a complete lack of any evidence that either the nodules/spheres are artificial or that the grooves were cut prior to burial. As far as can be determined at this time, the spheres consist of pyrite nodules of metamorphic origin and goethite nodules formed by the weathering of the pyrite. Since the nodules are metamorphic in origin and, thus, formed by metamorphism while the enclosing strata were buried under kilometers of rock, the grooves, if artificial, had to have been cut after they had collected from the pyrophyllite during quarrying operations. As a result, the grooves are far less than 2.8 billions old. The nodules are clearly of natural origin and less than 2.8 billion years old.
The shell is made from metal not naturally occurring on earth, but can be produced by metallurgy. These puppies not only predate human metallurgy, they also predate complex life on earth.
I see you've both spotted my deliberate mistake. Gold Star for both of you.
I believe I've uncovered the greatest conspiracy of all....
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mine was the animal one
olol, biggest newfag ever you are atm.
The idea that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the 9/11 attacks has been an article of faith for public officials and the mainstream media. Calling it an “article of faith” points to two features of this idea. On the one hand, no one in these circles publicly challenges this idea.
On the other hand, no good evidence has ever been publicly presented to support it.
Colin Powell’s Withdrawn Promise
Two weeks after 9/11, Secretary of State Colin Powell, speaking to Tim Russert on Meet the Press, said that he expected “in the near future . . . to put out . . . a document that will describe quite clearly the evidence that we have linking [bin Laden] to this attack.”3
Powell reversed himself, however, at a press conference with President Bush in the White House Rose Garden the next morning, saying that, although the government had information that left no question of bin Laden’s responsibility, “most of it is classified.”4 According to Seymour Hersh, citing officials from both the CIA and the Department of Justice, the real reason for the reversal was a “lack of solid information.”5
This was the week that Bush, after demanding that the Taliban turn over bin Laden, refused their request for evidence that bin Laden had been behind the attacks.6 A senior Taliban official, after the US attack on Afghanistan had begun, said: “We have asked for proof of Osama’s involvement, but they have refused. Why?”7 Hersh’s answer was that they had no proof.
Tony Blair’s Weak Document
The task of providing such proof was taken up by Bush’s chief ally in the “war on terror,” British Prime Minister Tony Blair. On October 4, 2001, Blair made public a document entitled: “Responsibility for the Terrorist Atrocities in the United States.” Listing “clear conclusions reached by the government,” it stated: “Osama Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, the terrorist network which he heads, planned and carried out the atrocities on 11 September 2001.” Blair’s report, however, began by saying: “This document does not purport to provide a prosecutable case against Osama Bin Laden in a court of law.”8 Although the case was not good enough to go to court, Blair seemed to be saying, it was good enough to go to war.
The weakness in Blair’s report, in any event, was noted the next day by the BBC, which said: “There is no direct evidence in the public domain linking Osama Bin Laden to the 11 September attacks. At best the evidence is circumstantial.”9
The FBI’s Surprising Statement
What does our own FBI say? Here is a surprising but little-known fact, because it has scarcely been reported in the mainstream media: The FBI’s “Most Wanted Terrorist” webpage on “Usama bin Laden” does not list the 9/11 attacks as one of the crimes for which he is wanted. It does list bombings in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi as terrorist acts for which he is wanted. But it makes no mention of 9/11.10 In 2006, Rex Tomb, then the FBI’s chief of investigative publicity, was asked why not. He replied: “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”11
After this story started flying around the Internet and was even covered by a TV station in Louisiana,12 Dan Eggen tried to downplay its significance in an August 2006 Washington Post article entitled “Bin Laden, Most Wanted For Embassy Bombings?”13 Complaining about “conspiracy theorists” who claimed that “the lack of a Sept. 11 reference [on the FBI's "Most Wanted" webpage for bin Laden] suggests that the connection to al-Qaeda is uncertain,” Eggen quoted the explanation offered by a former US attorney, who said that the FBI could not appropriately “put up a wanted picture where no formal charges had been filed.”
But that explanation, while true, simply pushes the issue back a step to this question: Why have such charges not been filed? Rex Tomb’s fuller statement, which Eggen failed to mention, had answered this question the previous June, saying:
The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice then decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.14
Did Osama bin Laden mastermind the 9/11 terrorist attacks? Why is there no evidence? Why did Osama repeatedly deny any involvement? The only 'confession video' released by the US Government is clearly fake.
I believe its about the only plausible conspiracy theory.
The lack of evidence is astounding.
But he later claimed to be responsible for the planning of it.
I heard Osama was actually a guy living in Australia working for a major gaming company, posting on a forum trying to fool people into thinking Osama is the result of a genetic experiment on monkeys gone terribly wrong.
Hitler has a deformed left ear that had been surgically altered, as well as two round crater indentationsabove one another on his left cheek, as seen in the 1997 photograph. The seated man’s very narrowshoulders and short neck also support Skorzeny’s statements. Having been a personal bodyguard andHitler’s elite special agent who safeguarded the flight of both Mussolini and Hitler from their countrieson separate occasions in the aftermath of World War II, Skorzeny’s personal testimony andphotographic evidence must be brought to bear.
Otto Skorzeny named Bethesda, Maryland as thelocation of Adolf Hitler’s residence in the US, in addition to living in secure US military bases andunderground Nazi CIA facilities.
This thread is a conspiracy, i have uncovered evidenc....................................Declassified US Spy Satellites Reveal Rare Look at Secret Cold War Space Program (http://www.space.com/12996-secret-spy-satellites-declassified-nro.html)
Conspiracy theorists and religious nuts sound the same because they are.
They are the intellectual equivilents of low watt bulbs.
Logical explanations scare them because in answering one question, logic poses other more frightening riddles.
Like Heather Mills. But seriously, produce ONE person (out of the cast of thousands) who was involved. Surely there is SOMEONE out there who has a conscience and want's to get it off their chest?
Cost benefit analysis says no.Your logic and tomfoolerys does not belong here!
Cost benefit analysis says no.
Conspiracy theorists and religious nuts sound the same because they are.That's what they want you to think. Label someone a conspiracy theorist and instantly they are judged and ignored. Convenient.
They are the intellectual equivilents of low watt bulbs.
Logical explanations scare them because in answering one question, logic poses other more frightening riddles.
That's what they want you to think. Label someone a conspiracy theorist and instantly they are judged and ignored. Convenient.What is worse is that no matter how many people claim the same thing, they get grouped as 'conspiracy theorists' and ignored.
Perhaps someone planted that idea in society by making false flag conspiracy theorist claims in order sway public opinion towards the negative... a conspiracy theory about public perception of conspiracy theories... it's... beautiful...
What are chemtrails?
water vapor formed by the vortical flow of air off the wings of aeroplanes.
I believe those are contrails. Chemtrails are the supposed chemicals which are dropped from the plane to look like contrails.
No that's what crazy people think they are, what they really are is water vapor.
Chemtrails are contrails.
Also, see my sig for tinfoil hat goodness.
The funniest thing about this particular topic is this: You're and evil military or corporate power with seemingly unlimited funds and the best minds at your disposal. You want to poison the people/change the weather/influence the outcome of idol. You load up your giant fucking jet and proceed to spray during daylight in unlimited visibility in full view of looneys with cam-corders. Brilliant.
Mums comment that they were working for the fbi was a stroke of genius, will keep the conspiratorial aspect of the whole saga alive and well
This is a documentary TV program after 15 years of the accident JAL 123. Please watch this video on YOUTUBE ([url]http://youtu.be/7poQ8oyuBQM[/url]) from about 40:20. This part is in English from the president of Celeris Aerospace Canada Inc., Mr. Stephen Hall who analysed the Flight Recorder of JAL 123 has a different view about its accident now.
The late Mr. Kunio SASOU’s last lecture on 7 August 2009 (it was about the truth of JAL 123) can be watched on YOUTUBE. Next day, he was poisoned. He says in the lecture ‘US threatened by weapon in the matter of PLAZA ACCORD, it was Neutron bomb (missile) which shot the JAL123.’ Actually many people saw a mushroom cloud in the sky at the time.
Since you are here – it means that you too also question the ‘death’ of Michael Jackson. The truth is that it was indeed staged, and Michael is STILL ALIVE
look at the picture below. It was taken in early 2009. Look at the neck – there is hardly any flesh or fat on it. But look at the pictures from the rehearsals above. The neck appears to be completely different.
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Michael Jackson probably had several doubles. Which one or who died recently remains to be determined, but from my previous post, I highly doubt that it was the REAL Michael Jackson that died.
Alexandria Genesis (Purple eye disease)?
I have heard of this disease called the purple eye disease (Alexandria Genesis). There has been debates about whether it's real or not. It's called Alexandria Genesis because there was supposedly a woman in 1329 London that had the disease and it was named after her. Characteristics of the disease are as follows:
-Blue or gray eyes that deepen in color and turn purple during puberty
-No facial or body hair other than the hair you're born with (eyebrows, eyelashes, hair on head, nostrils)
-Dark brown or black hair
-Fair skin that doesn't burn or tan
-Lack of menstruation cycle (in women)
-Little or no bowel movement<br />-Very strong immune system (able to resist every disease known to man)
-Long life span
-Perfect 20/20 vision
-Never overweight (metabolism prevents gaining too much fat)
-Well developed and proportioned body
You may also think that if someone has this disease that they would want to show themselves to the world to prove the public wrong, so why wouldn't they? Considering how scientist do not know much about this disease and how ruthless our world is today, I believe people with the purple eye disease wouldn't want to put themselves in the public eye to be judged and to keep themselves safe; in fear that they will have research done on them against their will simply because an individual possesses something so rare. You may think that this is not true or that this theory that I have concluded is insane. It's not
The government controls certain things and they have the ability to make it possible to wipe someone's identity off the face of the earth. Just like a person who practices telekinesis and excels extremely well in the skill of moving objects with their mind. They hide this skill from the public because if news of this extraordinary talent were to reach the government, they would be taken in for testing. This is why many people do not believe in telekinesis; because once the public knows, the public talks, and the government wants to keep society as normal as possible. "abnormal" people keep their unusual abilities and traits hidden from the public, and those that do step into the light are very careful in what they show and inform the public of
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here is another Theory
[url]http://worldtruth.tv/mh-17-was-in-fact-the-lost-flight-mh-370/[/url] ([url]http://worldtruth.tv/mh-17-was-in-fact-the-lost-flight-mh-370/[/url])
Horus wasn't the sun-god. He was THE sky. His right eye was said to be the sun while his left was the moon.
Ra was seen as being 'a' sun deity, however this depends on who he was fused with at the time.
You'll call out others when wrong but will shirt responsibilty when you're called out. No wonder no one wants to hire you.
Where are you getting the impression that no one wants to hire me
Where are you getting the impression that no one wants to hire me
I refuse to go back and quote all 1480 of your posts.
Oddball is now on holiday...
Oddball is now on holiday...
He could still make an alt account?
And try other using someone elses computer?
You say it like it wouldn't be completely obvious
Sigh...
Did you actually ban him? Banning is not fun. Watching them make idiots of themselves is fun. And watching them post when they don't realise their posts just come out as lumpy turds is fun.
Science: Redheads Are Now An Endangered Species, Extinct By 2060
(TopNews) – According to scientists at the National Geographic, redheads are a dying breed. Soon, the world will be free of ‘gingers’. If predictions of the world’s top scientists prove correct, this mass extinction will take place within the next 100 years.
National Geographic reports that only two percent of the world’s population has natural red hair, coincidentally the same percentage of people on Earth who ascribe to atheism.
The future does not bode well for these deviants to normal human coding, their beliefs and genetic bauplan the product of mutations that took place in Europe thousands of years ago.
At one point in time, genotypes coding for red hair and pale skin were advantageous for human survival. The scant sunlight in specific European regions meant that having a photosensitive body that readily absorbed sunlight, and thus produced higher levels of Vitamin D, were great for survival.
But as global warming takes place and more ultraviolet radiation comes to Earth, redheads are now in a hostile environment. Their pale skin is more prone to cancer and their chances for survival dwindle, to the point that some scientists predict there will be no redheads on Earth by the year 2060.
Author: Haywood Bynum III
Leading the charge of faith at Bible Fellowship Church.
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All Ebola outbreaks are staged EVENTS!
Exposing the Ebola Hoax!!
The Dangers Of Dating A Communist Yellow
Foreign invaders are trying to penetrate our beautiful God given land by way of promises of a submissive and obedient house wife. You see, modern American women have been brainwashed into thinking they are equals to males and they think they can leave the house and pursue careers. While doing this they leave the American household empty and cold. No dishes are done, dinner is made in a microwave, children grow up without mother figures and the common wife is now known to be 87% more likely to have cheating affairs.
The communist Chinese have caught onto this disruption of the American home and are now showboating their unwanted female population at American men. They promise if they pay for their green card they in return will be perfect house wifes. They promise they will fulfill any needs the man wants and will keep their mouths shut and kitchens clean.
Here is the danger my friends. Commies and especially their female breed are vile creators. They all plot the destruction of American from within. As Abe Lincoln said, America can only be destroyed from within and the Chinese know this, as they failed to take over America in the 1940’s, when they attacked Pearl Harbor. So instead of sending death gliders over, they want to send death concubines to take over the role of the American housewife. They want them to raise your children learning their high pitched ugly language and teach them to hate anything Red, White and Blue.
So before you are sucked into sites that promise “American love for 5 dorrah”, remember, you could be importing a possible terrorist and by doing so, you yourself are a part of the downfall of America.
Don’t be tempted by blogs or dating sites that show off plump breasted, model typed oriental females, Yes, their skin is smooth and their almond eyes are quite alluring. But, the knife they want to wield into the back of America is not worth it and your soul will burn in hell for all of eternity if you fiddle around with these yellow, American hating prostitutes.
Tyson Bowers III
Youth Pastor
Christwire.org
Straight Talk on Dungeons and Dragons
By William Schnoebelen
Should a Christian play D&D? Schnoebelen's first 'Straight Talk' on D&D (at left) raised lots of questions. Here are his well-researched answers on this controversy.
Dungeons and Dragons is a tragic and tangled subject. It is essentially a feeding program for occultism and witchcraft. For Christians, the first scriptural problem is the fact that Dungeons and Dragons violates the commandment of I Ths. 5:22 "Abstain from all appearance of evil." Much of the trappings, art, figurines, and writing within D&D certainly appears evil-to say the least of it.
BOMBSHELL: China and America already at war: Tianjin explosion carried out by Pentagon space weapon in retaliation for Yuan currency devaluation... Military helicopters now patrolling Beijing
The Tianjin explosion was waged as an act of "kinetic retaliation" by the Pentagon in response to China's currency war Yuan devaluation, according to dissident sources from mainland China. The Chinese government has put in place unprecedented secrecy surrounding the mysterious explosion, and aggressive police state tactics are now being invoked to control the flow of information surrounding this event.
Global Galactic League Of Nations Group.