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Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 13, 2010, 01:29:59 pm
Since the last conspiracy thread was lost in the merge, I thought it was time to start another.

I find most Conspiracy theories a great source of entertainment.


Let's start with this one:


Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators.

Apparently MJ is impersonating a burns victim known as 'Dave Dave'.

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php)

(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll47/Ngati_Grim/FOTODAVEDAVELKL4.jpg)

You decide
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bell on May 13, 2010, 01:38:15 pm
The thing that cracks me up the most about most conspiracy theories is how people find small gaps in a public story decide because we don't know everything there must be something else at play and proceed to create their own outlandish theory which contains many more gaps which are of a greater scale than of those in the original story.

The followers of these secondary explanations sometimes then tell those who don't believe that they are blind followers of the media etc, when infact they are blindly following some random guy on the internet who has no credibility or liability if proven to be making things up.

Disclaimer: The above is a generalisation and does not cover all cases
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Tandoori on May 13, 2010, 01:49:13 pm
If you think 9/11 was an act orchestrated by the U.S. Government, you are deranged and not to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bell on May 13, 2010, 01:51:27 pm
Are you suggesting that the President of Iran is deranged?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Tandoori on May 13, 2010, 01:54:04 pm
Quote from: Bell;1264564
Are you suggesting that the President of Iran is deranged?
Yes, but that doesn't mean he is not AWESOME
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: SteddieEddie on May 13, 2010, 02:04:17 pm
Quote from: Hori;1264562
If you think 9/11 was an act orchestrated by the U.S. Government, you are deranged and not to be taken seriously.

If you think building 7 fell down because of debris from the twin towers you are deranged and not to be taken seriously
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 13, 2010, 02:17:28 pm
Quote from: Hori;1264562
If you think 9/11 was an act orchestrated by the U.S. Government, you are deranged and not to be taken seriously.

If you don't have an understanding of the Project for the New American Century, Operation Northwoods, Larry Silverstein, the physics of controlled demolitions, The NIST Report and the Engineers who spoke out against it, Building 7 (Thanks Eddie), the melting point , and many other anomalies surrounding the events of 9/11 then of course you will say something like that. It doesn't mean you are correct though, and more likely a troll than anything else.

9/11 is one of the conspiracy theories that has legs, in my opinion; unlike the 'faked' moon landings or Nazi flying saucers.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pyromanik on May 13, 2010, 03:48:48 pm
I often wonder what the moon is made of, if not cheese.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 13, 2010, 03:52:39 pm
Quote from: Pyromanik;1264640
I often wonder what the moon is made of, if not cheese.



http://www.neiu.edu/~jmhemzac/mooncomp.htm (http://www.neiu.edu/~jmhemzac/mooncomp.htm)

;)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pyromanik on May 13, 2010, 03:53:50 pm
Dirt made of oxygen? Now that's a conspiracy!
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bell on May 13, 2010, 04:06:00 pm
http://www.permanent.com/l-apollo.htm

Man check out how much Chromium the moon has compared to earth.
We need to mine it ASAP and chrome EVERYTHING
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: DeeUnit on May 13, 2010, 04:27:49 pm
Theories.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Kayne on May 13, 2010, 05:13:58 pm
Quote from: Pyromanik;1264650
Dirt made of oxygen? Now that's a conspiracy!

Because its got magnesium in it, does that mean if we set it on fire it would be brighter than the sun?

*srs face*
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Dr Woomanchu on May 13, 2010, 05:20:20 pm
Conspiracy theories almost always fail Occams razor.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 13, 2010, 05:48:06 pm
Occams razor fails Occams razor.

The solution is usually a more complicated one then the simplest solution.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Dr Woomanchu on May 13, 2010, 05:53:14 pm
such as?

personally I never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ultrarandom on May 13, 2010, 05:53:44 pm
My cousin raised a good point about the whole 9/11 thing (this is him not me and he is drug f**ked)
The plane hit towards the top yet the building fell like a planned demolition. If it hit the top the building would not have crumbled in the way it did.

his words xD
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Dr Woomanchu on May 13, 2010, 05:54:48 pm
he's wrong.

the building collapse makes sense easily. if you doubt just build 100 story building and fly a plane into it. you'll see
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ultrarandom on May 13, 2010, 05:58:44 pm
Spose that what happens when your cousins tried everything but heroin and cocaine
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bell on May 13, 2010, 06:00:39 pm
Quote from: Ultrarandom;1264724
The plane hit towards the top yet the building fell like a planned demolition.

How many talls buildings has your cousin seen fall down that haven't been planned demolitions?
I'm guessing 2, the twin towers.

I would rephrase your cousins statement to 'The plane hit towards the top yet the building fell like most tall buildings do when they are structurally compromised!'
Doesn't sound so sinister now does it.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Crazy_Whitey on May 13, 2010, 06:01:04 pm
Quote from: Ultrarandom;1264731
Spose that what happens when your cousins tried everything but heroin and cocaine

Tried is pretty different to abusing, but you probably wouldn't know that.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bell on May 13, 2010, 06:02:17 pm
Sure I do alot of P but I don't abuse it
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: swindle on May 13, 2010, 06:08:50 pm
9/11 is pretty suspect

I'm sitting on the fence, but something is amiss with that whole thing
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 13, 2010, 06:29:31 pm
Quote from: Dr_Woohoo;1264728
he's wrong.

the building collapse makes sense easily. if you doubt just build 100 story building and fly a plane into it. you'll see

I disagree, especially since the building was designed to withstand impact from airplanes, and other, correlatory evidence, but that's the nature of these things...some people buy the official story and others are more suspect.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 13, 2010, 06:33:02 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1264755

I disagree, especially since the building was designed to withstand impact from airplanes, and other, correlatory evidence, but that's the nature of these things...some people buy the official story and others are more suspect.

It may have been designed to withstand impact from airplanes, but not on that magnitude.

It's not like you can test these things either.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 13, 2010, 06:36:38 pm
I will go with the Engineers for 911.

It was all too convenient, and don't get me started on the Pentagon, the passenger lists, the passport that survived the incineration, the squibs, the dancing Israeli 'Arts Students', Larry Silverstein saying "we pulled it" (regarding building 7), the firemen hearing explosions, the 'maintenance' undertaken on the WTC buildings in the weeks prior and cetera
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Crazy_Whitey on May 13, 2010, 06:39:34 pm
More important things to worry about than what might have happened almost 10 years ago. Have fun wasting your life conspiring.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Dr Woomanchu on May 13, 2010, 06:54:42 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1264755
Quote from: Dr_Woohoo;1264728
he's wrong.

the building collapse makes sense easily. if you doubt just build 100 story building and fly a plane into it. you'll see

I disagree, especially since the building was designed to withstand impact from airplanes, and other, correlatory evidence, but that's the nature of these things...some people buy the official story and others are more suspect.

Put it this way, if the conspiracy theories I have seen were what was officially claimed to have actually happened, all the conspiracy theorists would be having a field day with the stories and claiming that the official line was unbelievable.

It's the same as religious people. They all keen to debunk one claim, but never seem to have a problem with what they're proposing as an alternative being ridiculous. The ability of humans to firmly believe the patently absurd is something I never get used to.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on May 13, 2010, 06:55:08 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1264758
I will go with the Engineers for 911.

It was all too convenient, and don't get me started on the Pentagon, the passenger lists, the passport that survived the incineration, the squibs, the dancing Israeli 'Arts Students', Larry Silverstein saying "we pulled it" (regarding building 7), the firemen hearing explosions, the 'maintenance' undertaken on the WTC buildings in the weeks prior and cetera

Buildings of that size are probably under constant maintenance.

And I doubt any amount of money would be enough to keep quiet hundreds of Americans who were supposedly in on this conspiracy to kill thousands of Americans.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: pop on May 13, 2010, 06:58:52 pm
most of the people in on it were probably on the plane
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Kayne on May 13, 2010, 06:59:39 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1264755
the building was designed to withstand impact from airplanes

wtf? People expect to be hit by airplanes these days?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: toofast on May 13, 2010, 07:10:58 pm
Quote from: Ultrarandom;1264724
The plane hit towards the top yet the building fell like a planned demolition.


It might be because civil engineers thought about worse case scenarios when building it. So rather than have it fall in some uncontrolled way, killing everyone around the building (while thoroughly convincing them that a plane did hit it), they made it fall in a controlled manner.

Also designed to be hit by airplanes, doesn't mean it will work. When you make things that big, your models always go a bit out of whack. There are pretty cool videos on youtube about them making the new airbus (massive new airplane), and you see how when they are working with such massive structures, nothing goes to plan.

Not to mention, just because something is designed one way, doesn't mean it gets built that way. A lot of stuff will get changed on the floor, usually when its well out of the engineers hands.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bell on May 13, 2010, 07:17:31 pm
Just like things that are called "bullet proof'" and "fire proof", they aren't actually immune to bullets or fire.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: SteddieEddie on May 13, 2010, 07:21:45 pm
Quote from: toofast;1264783
Quote from: Ultrarandom;1264724
The plane hit towards the top yet the building fell like a planned demolition.



Not to mention, just because something is designed one way, doesn't mean it gets built that way. A lot of stuff will get changed on the floor, usually when its well out of the engineers hands.

Of course it is built the way it is designed. You are talking about the tallest building in the world ( at the time of build) do you think they just changed the structure as it was going up? LOL
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Kayne on May 13, 2010, 07:22:58 pm
Quote from: Bell;1264789
Just like things that are called "bullet proof'" and "fire proof", they aren't actually immune to bullets or fire.

what? yes they are, arn't they?

A bullet proof vest will stop a bullet ( well obviously not larger rounds) from penetrating you, and I thought fireproof meant it wouldn't ignite, Just get really hot and get scorched D:
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Retardobot on May 13, 2010, 07:28:51 pm
Quote from: `Kayne;1264794
Quote from: Bell;1264789
Just like things that are called "bullet proof'" and "fire proof", they aren't actually immune to bullets or fire.

what? yes they are, arn't they?

A bullet proof vest will stop a bullet ( well obviously not larger rounds) from penetrating you, and I thought fireproof meant it wouldn't ignite, Just get really hot and get scorched D:

Very rarely will the word 'fireproof' actually get used.

You will see 'fire retardant' used in almost every description. Even 'bulletproof' vests aren't called bulletproof. They come with disclaimers stating "This garment was not designed to prevent gunfire, sharp objects or explosions".

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Virus. on May 13, 2010, 07:36:21 pm
This will have to be my all time favourite conspiracy:

The beatles never broke up (http://www.thebeatlesneverbrokeup.com/)

The story made up after what was clearly someones fantasy/dream is pure awesome.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: toofast on May 13, 2010, 07:44:00 pm
Quote from: SteddieEddie;1264793
Quote from: toofast;1264783
Quote from: Ultrarandom;1264724
The plane hit towards the top yet the building fell like a planned demolition.



Not to mention, just because something is designed one way, doesn't mean it gets built that way. A lot of stuff will get changed on the floor, usually when its well out of the engineers hands.

Of course it is built the way it is designed. You are talking about the tallest building in the world ( at the time of build) do you think they just changed the structure as it was going up? LOL

I am not talking about massive overhauls to the structure, more the way joints or parts may be specified. I am not saying it definitely happened, but it easily can. I have seen it happen before, where the contractors will see a easier way of doing something, and decide to do it that way, because they didn't fully understand how the part was used.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pe_Pa_Possum on May 13, 2010, 07:59:28 pm
from http://architecture.about.com/od/disastersandcollapses/a/twintowerfall.htm

"Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F. This is not hot enough to melt structural steel. However, engineers say that for the World Trade Center towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength. Steel will lose about half its strength at 1,200 degrees F. The steel will also become distorted when heat is not a uniform temperature. "

I suppose the architects / engineers designed for the plane hitting the building, but maybe not the fuel burning?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 13, 2010, 08:00:37 pm
Quote from: BerG;1264770
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1264758
I will go with the Engineers for 911.

It was all too convenient, and don't get me started on the Pentagon, the passenger lists, the passport that survived the incineration, the squibs, the dancing Israeli 'Arts Students', Larry Silverstein saying "we pulled it" (regarding building 7), the firemen hearing explosions, the 'maintenance' undertaken on the WTC buildings in the weeks prior and cetera

Buildings of that size are probably under constant maintenance.

And I doubt any amount of money would be enough to keep quiet hundreds of Americans who were supposedly in on this conspiracy to kill thousands of Americans.

This is bang on.

If there was people in on it and paid to shut up, there would people willing to pay more to tell the truth. Someone would confess, real evidence as opposed to dancing students and a passport which didn't get burned.

Quote from: `Kayne;1264776
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1264755
the building was designed to withstand impact from airplanes

wtf? People expect to be hit by airplanes these days?

Only if you are jogging on the beach listening to your iPod.

Quote from: `Kayne;1264794

what? yes they are, arn't they?

A bullet proof vest will stop a bullet ( well obviously not larger rounds) from penetrating you, and I thought fireproof meant it wouldn't ignite, Just get really hot and get scorched D:

A plane proof building will stop a plane (well obviously not larger jumbo jets) from penetrating you.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on May 13, 2010, 08:31:50 pm
Conspiracy theorists and religious nuts sound the same because they are.

They are the intellectual equivilents of low watt bulbs.

Logical explanations scare them because in answering one question, logic poses other more frightening riddles.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: tre on May 13, 2010, 08:41:21 pm
Quote from: DeeUnit;1264671
Theories.
So's gravity, evolution and relativity. You saying there's no truth in these either?


Quote from: `Kayne;1264776
wtf? People expect to be hit by airplanes these days?
Of course. Since 1945 when a plane accidentally hit the Empire State Building (which didn't fall down, despite being built with 50 year old technology compared to WTC) because of poor weather, all buildings over 54 stories in the USA are designed to withstand earthquakes, high winds, and planes. Most in the rest of the world probably are too.

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 13, 2010, 09:00:32 pm
Quote from: tre;1264848
Of course. Since 1945 when a plane accidentally hit the Empire State Building (which didn't fall down, despite being built with 50 year old technology compared to WTC) because of poor weather, all buildings over 54 stories in the USA are designed to withstand earthquakes, high winds, and planes. Most in the rest of the world probably are too.

It was also a much smaller plane.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on May 13, 2010, 09:07:22 pm
This thread is about conspiracy theories in general, not 9/11.

For discussion on 9/11 go here:

http://forums.getsome.co.nz/index.php/topic,52492.0.html

or here:

http://forums.getsome.co.nz/index.php/topic,15112.0.html
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 13, 2010, 09:11:59 pm
Or continue discussing it here, in this thread, which I started, is current and deals with Conspiracy Theories, including 911.


Here's an interesting link, which is worth looking at if you're at all interested in informed opinions rather than those of a rag-tag of gamers:

http://cms.ae911truth.org/ (http://cms.ae911truth.org/)

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Crazy_Whitey on May 13, 2010, 09:48:38 pm
I'd much rather listen to "rag-tag" gamers than some nutjob.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: SteddieEddie on May 13, 2010, 10:39:46 pm
How about Paul's ears
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Stephens on May 13, 2010, 11:46:56 pm
consider the impact of 2 boeing 747's hurtling into 2 seperate buildings

be enough to bring me down
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: TofuEater on May 14, 2010, 06:46:01 am
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1264580
9/11 is one of the conspiracy theories that has legs,
Like Heather Mills. But seriously, produce ONE person (out of the cast of thousands) who was involved. Surely there is SOMEONE out there who has a conscience and want's to get it off their chest?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pyromanik on May 14, 2010, 11:02:01 am
Don't be silly. Everyone knows the government will just shoot them before they can talk.
And when they do so anonymously, they just attribute it to crazy conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on May 14, 2010, 03:45:50 pm
Quote from: Stephens;1264944
consider the impact of 2 boeing 747's hurtling into 2 seperate buildings

be enough to bring me down

Except they were not 747's.

But we get your point.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: swindle on May 14, 2010, 04:08:45 pm
I like the fact that i have worked in construction of major industrial/commercial buildings for the past 6 years

You learn a lot

Like, 100 story buildings are built better then many people give them credit for. The towers were steal, the strongest construction material on the planet. A single plane brings it down?

Sif

If you outright believe whats told to you on that incident (regarding offical reports, etc) you've got about as many watts as a broken light bulb, Zarkov.

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on May 14, 2010, 04:23:39 pm
Quote from: swindle;1265235
I like the fact that i have worked in construction of major industrial/commercial buildings for the past 6 years

You learn a lot

Like, 100 story buildings are built better then many people give them credit for. The towers were steal, the strongest construction material on the planet. A single plane brings it down?

Sif

If you outright believe whats told to you on that incident (regarding offical reports, etc) you've got about as many watts as a broken light bulb, Zarkov.

Badly spelled hogwash.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bell on May 14, 2010, 04:52:13 pm
Quote from: swindle;1265235
I like the fact that i have worked in construction of major industrial/commercial buildings for the past 6 years

Which bit of information did you learn in the last 6 years about fast moving large aircraft VS tall buildings that makes this thing impossible?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: swindle on May 14, 2010, 05:07:59 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;1265243
Quote from: swindle;1265235
I like the fact that i have worked in construction of major industrial/commercial buildings for the past 6 years

You learn a lot

Like, 100 story buildings are built better then many people give them credit for. The towers were steal, the strongest construction material on the planet. A single plane brings it down?

Sif

If you outright believe whats told to you on that incident (regarding offical reports, etc) you've got about as many watts as a broken light bulb, Zarkov.

Badly spelled hogwash.

Come on, you can do better then the "i don't have anything to say so ill pick on his english skillz" bullshit

Quote from: Bell;1265256
Quote from: swindle;1265235
I like the fact that i have worked in construction of major industrial/commercial buildings for the past 6 years

Which bit of information did you learn in the last 6 years that about fast moving large aircraft VS tall buildings that makes this thing impossible?

I never said impossible

But you learn that something made of steel and concrete weighing in at 1,500,000 tons can't even be touched by something weighing in at 68 tons (and thats MTOW weight)

Kindly explain how some of the strongest steel structures on the planet (that where designed to take a aircraft impact) where brought down something 1/22000 of its own weight?

You're into physics, yes? Thought you would have been interested in questioning it all, instead of throwing on a wool coat and munching away at the grass...

I'm not saying "its was da government omfg cover up!", im just saying something ain't right, something is amiss...
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: toofast on May 14, 2010, 05:14:39 pm
Quote from: swindle;1265235
Like, 100 story buildings are built better then many people give them credit for.

Who isn't giving them credit? i think people realise 100 story buildings are well built, else they would fall down all the time.

Also on how it fell down. Its not like a 1500000 tonne block of steel just sitting there. Its a tall tower. Even at the most basic physics level, of torques, and reaction forces, you should realise its not as simple as comparing the numbers. When you take into account complex loading, stress, crack propagation, and the many many different thing that happen when you get a complex structure, its really not that simple. Especially when you also add the steel changing forms at the high temperatures, as someone mentions before.
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Post by: mattnz on May 14, 2010, 05:15:12 pm
Well it clearly didn't collapse from the momentum of the plane, it collapsed some time later. I would imagine it was the fire weakening the structure so that the top of the building collapsed onto the bottom of the building and caused a bit of a chain reaction.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: sponge on May 14, 2010, 05:18:09 pm
I sure hope people didn't expect a massive building like that just to topple over...
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Post by: TofuEater on May 14, 2010, 05:21:38 pm
I'm no engineering expert, but i did watch a program on the History channel yesterday about a suspension bridge over the Ohio River  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Bridge_(bridge)) that collapsed completely because of some rust in ONE support beam. This occured randomly after the bridge had been up for forty years - and i'm sure the engineers at the time would have said that was "impossible".
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: swindle on May 14, 2010, 05:24:12 pm
Quote from: toofast;1265270
Quote from: swindle;1265235
Like, 100 story buildings are built better then many people give them credit for.


Who isn't giving them credit? i think people realise 100 story buildings are well built, else they would fall down all the time.

Also on how it fell down. Its not like a 1500000 tonne block of steel just sitting there. Its a tall tower. Even at the most basic physics level, of torques, and reaction forces, you should realise its not as simple as comparing the numbers. When you take into account complex loading, stress, crack propagation, and the many many different thing that happen when you get a complex structure, its really not that simple. Especially when you also add the steel changing forms at the high temperatures, as someone mentions before.


I know its not a 1.5 million ton block of steel, but its still a 1.5 million ton structure...

68 tons worth of energy could dissipate into 1.5 million fairly easy, and steel is one hell of a good conductor of heat, which would also dissipate though out the building, meaning although it got hot, much of the heat wouldn't warrant melting point.

I bet my life, that if you flew an even bigger plane, fully fueled, 747 lets say, into the Chrysler Building, it wouldn't fall over.

I'd place anything on that bet.

Btw, i always found this a bit of a sticking point...

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Vao03gp7oC0/Rqx9V79RXdI/AAAAAAAAAAs/lhTO9MimMiE/s400/WTCcolumnCut.jpg)

Thermate ftw

Tofu - Bridges and buildings ~ apples and oranges?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: TofuEater on May 14, 2010, 05:29:51 pm
Quote from: swindle;1265279

68 tons worth of energy could dissipate into 1.5 million fairly easy,
...
Btw, i always found this a bit of a sticking point...

([url]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Vao03gp7oC0/Rqx9V79RXdI/AAAAAAAAAAs/lhTO9MimMiE/s400/WTCcolumnCut.jpg[/url])

Thermate ftw


But it wasn't 68t. F = m * a. We've already done this maths on the old forum and the numbers work out quite easily. What you have to remember too is the official report said that the lift well structures became unstable due to excessive heating which cause the steel to warp and be unable to hold the inner core, which is why the building came down after an hour or so - the core was so weakened that it couldn't be held up by the exterior supporting structure. It scares me that you might have some involvement in building construction.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: swindle on May 14, 2010, 05:35:36 pm
I understand the concept, no need to belittle someone.

You know, IF and i say IF the plane had impacted into say... the bottom 10 floors, then i would be soooo much more inclined to believe it was brought down that way.

But there was what, 50, 60 story's of totally untouched, unheated steel structure.

Never mind the fact that, there was 6 story's of steel inside the ground, plus even deeper steel columns, yet they both end up in neat piles on the ground?  
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bell on May 14, 2010, 05:46:26 pm
I always liked this one.

(http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/conspiracy_tot1.gif)

(http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/conspiracy_tot2.gif)

(http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/conspiracy_tot3.gif)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: swindle on May 14, 2010, 05:48:05 pm
I'm not saying "its was da government omfg cover up!" ~ I said that in a previous post, or that comic is not so much directed at me, but the thread?

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bell on May 14, 2010, 05:49:55 pm
Wasn't so much directed at you, I just came across it when I was looking something else up.

Personally I don't see the point in learning all about the physics/numbers etc involved, unit I hear a viable alternative theory to what happened.
Ramming 3 planes into 3 buildings and then one plane into a field and creating the evidence trail to back it up only to secretly use explosives at the base of the towers makes absolutely no sense.
And don't get me started on the missile pentagon thing (Oh lets just make 100 people disappear and fire a missile instead of a plane at the pentagon just to mix it up abit!)

Why make it so hard on yourself, it's the worst plan in history.
Even simple plans go wrong having a uber complex one is stupid.

If your plan was to scare the American public into war the buildings falling down part wasn't needed.
You just killed like 400 people by smashing 2 civil aircraft into 2 giant fucking towers in down town New York, you have achieved enough the public is going to be pissed off and scared to fly anyways.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: mattnz on May 14, 2010, 06:03:01 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;1265278
I'm no engineering expert, but i did watch a program on the History channel yesterday about a suspension bridge over the Ohio River  ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Bridge_(bridge))[/url] that collapsed completely because of some rust in ONE support beam. This occured randomly after the bridge had been up for forty years - and i'm sure the engineers at the time would have said that was "impossible".


Deja vu, I was just reading about that 10 minutes ago after going from a completely unrelated article. I must be glitching.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 14, 2010, 06:08:18 pm
Quote from: swindle;1265265

But you learn that something made of steel and concrete weighing in at 1,500,000 tons can't even be touched by something weighing in at 68 tons (and thats MTOW weight)

Kindly explain how some of the strongest steel structures on the planet (that where designed to take a aircraft impact) where brought down something 1/22000 of its own weight?

You're into physics, yes? Thought you would have been interested in questioning it all, instead of throwing on a wool coat and munching away at the grass...


Maybe you should learn something about physics too, like momentum.

And where does this 68 tons come from? The planes weighed a lot more then that.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: swindle on May 14, 2010, 06:36:06 pm
Quote from: Spacemonkey;1265322
Maybe you should learn something about physics too, like momentum.


Did i not mention something about not belittling people, dick.

Maybe you should fucking learn something about steel construction too, like Shear weight.

?

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t12/swind1e/weight.png)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on May 14, 2010, 06:44:14 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_767#Design

Try this aircraft type.

This is the one you're talking about isn't it?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: TofuEater on May 14, 2010, 06:51:02 pm
Quote from: swindle;1265329

Maybe you should fucking learn something about steel construction too, like Shear weight.
Maybe you should learn something about aeroplanes - they were 757's that flew into the Towers, not 737's. Oh, and it seems like there's a typo in your listing - the 737-100 doesn't have a MAUW of 500t - that's more than a jumbo.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 14, 2010, 06:52:49 pm
Yes, Zarkov is right, they were 767's, not 737's.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: sponge on May 14, 2010, 06:55:02 pm
Wow the 737-100 sure has a high max takeoff weight.

Do not trust chart.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 14, 2010, 07:11:47 pm
Quote from: sponge;1265359
Wow the 737-100 sure has a high max takeoff weight.

Do not trust chart.

Indeed, a plane that big could knock any building down.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on May 14, 2010, 07:21:24 pm
Quote from: swindle;1265329
Quote from: Spacemonkey;1265322
Maybe you should learn something about physics too, like momentum.


Did i not mention something about not belittling people, dick.

Maybe you should fucking learn something about steel construction too, like Shear weight.

?

([url]http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t12/swind1e/weight.png[/url])


Hahaha. 737.

Sorry.




But at least you have figured out how to spell steel now.

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: swindle on May 14, 2010, 07:40:51 pm
Fuck you guys are pricks

You know that?

So someone thinks that the whole truth aint there, and any little dig you'll take it?

Pretty pathetic, considering you're supposed to be forum models, not forum cuntbags.

Don't be asking for help in the Hardware section, your thread may become accidentally deleted.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on May 14, 2010, 07:44:06 pm
Quote from: swindle;1265385
Fuck you guys are pricks

Pretty pathetic, considering you're supposed to be forum models, not forum cuntbags.

Don't be asking for help in the Hardware section, your thread may become accidentally deleted.

Wow what a great moderator.

And us old forumer's are just sick of this pathetic debate. It's been covered too many times.

So we have fun picking on believers.

You, in particular, took the bait well :D
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: mattnz on May 14, 2010, 07:45:12 pm
Please rearrange your toys as indicated below.

(http://www.babygadget.net/sandbox.jpg)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 14, 2010, 07:51:29 pm
Quote from: swindle;1265385
Fuck you guys are pricks

You know that?

So someone thinks that the whole truth aint there, and any little dig you'll take it?

Pretty pathetic, considering you're supposed to be forum models, not forum cuntbags.

Don't be asking for help in the Hardware section, your thread may become accidentally deleted.

dude, you were the one coming up with the calculations, yet your numbers were totally wrong. You should check your facts before trying to prove something.

And your language is a bit unnecessary.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 14, 2010, 07:53:17 pm
Quote from: mattnz;1265389
Please rearrange your toys as indicated below.

([url]http://www.babygadget.net/sandbox.jpg[/url])


What's this?

Those yellow guys should be green army dudes, and there should be tanks instead of diggers.

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: swindle on May 14, 2010, 07:56:39 pm
All i'm saying is,

I don't believe the whole truth is out there

I don't feel i should be ridiculed for such things, i mean hell, if you're going to ridicule me for what i believe regarding 911, i pity any religious folk on here...

But whatever, lets have a laugh

[video]BxFzk1b1R28&feature=related[/video]
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on May 14, 2010, 08:10:12 pm
Quote from: swindle;1265399
All i'm saying is,

I don't believe the whole truth is out there

I don't feel i should be ridiculed for such things, i mean hell, if you're going to ridicule me for what i believe regarding 911, i pity any religious folk on here...

But whatever, lets have a laugh

[video]BxFzk1b1R28&feature=related[/video]

You've never considered the possiblity that you're just plain wrong?

I mean, there's always a chance of that.

Maybe you drew some weird conclusions from incorrect data that you didn't understand?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: swindle on May 14, 2010, 08:12:42 pm
Maybe

Wouldn't be the first time
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on May 14, 2010, 08:15:35 pm
Fair enough.

Now, where's the dimwit that started this thread?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 14, 2010, 08:17:28 pm
rofl, you guys still going on about 'planes'?

[video]81LGZlJvR-g[/video]

[video]2Nok_8nUKxc[/video]

[video]kE6YACvByGU[/video]


You've never considered the possibility that YOU'RE wrong, Zarkov, or is the Military-Industrial Complex rubbing off on you?

I'm less of a dimwit than you, if that's the way you want to roll...just because the majority believe doesn't make it so...but you know that anyway, from your comments on religion.

We could play the man, or play the ball?

...anyway, we;'ll never see eye-to-eye regarding this, the rabbithole is too deep for most people,and too disturbing
 ( :P ), so another Conspiracy:


Have aliens hijacked Voyager 2 spacecraft


Quote
The spacecraft late last month began sending science data 8.6 billion miles to Earth in a changed format that mission managers could not decode.
Quote

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/have-aliens-hijacked-voyager-2-spacecraft/story-e6frev20-1225865566982 (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/have-aliens-hijacked-voyager-2-spacecraft/story-e6frev20-1225865566982)


(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll47/Ngati_Grim/804177-voyager.jpg)




Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on May 14, 2010, 08:21:23 pm
I'll see your conspiracy theory and raise you.



Conspiracy theories
Core topics    

Conspiracy (civil) · Conspiracy (crime) · Conspiracy (political) · Cabal · List of conspiracy theories · Conspiracy fiction · Conspiracy thriller
Psychology of conspiracism    

Attitude polarization · Cognitive dissonance · Communal reinforcement · Confirmation bias · Locus of control · Paranoia · Psychological projection
New World Order    

Bilderberg Group · Council on Foreign Relations · Bohemian Grove · Skull and Bones · Trilateral Commission · Freemasons · Club of Rome · Illuminati · Black helicopters · ODESSA · The Protocols of the Elders of Zion · Judaeo-Masonic-Marxist plot · North American Union · The Fellowship
False flag theories    

Sinking of the RMS Lusitania (1915) · Reichstag fire (1933) · Operation Gladio · USS Liberty incident (1967) · Pan Am Flight 103 (1988) · Russian apartment bombings · Oklahoma City bombing (1995) · Port Arthur massacre (1996) · TWA Flight 800 (1996) · 9/11 conspiracy theories (2001) · Madrid train bombing (2004) · London bombings (2005)
Assassination theories    

Eric V of Denmark (1286) · Abraham Lincoln (1865) · Franz Ferdinand (1914) · Phar Lap (1932) · Dag Hammarskjöld (1961) · Marilyn Monroe (1962) · John F. Kennedy (1963) · Malcolm X (1965) · Robert F. Kennedy (1968) · Martin Luther King Jr. (1968) · Juscelino Kubitschek (1976) · Pope John Paul I (1978) · Olof Palme (1986) · Zia-ul-Haq (1988) · Kurt Cobain (1994) · Yitzhak Rabin (1995) · Diana, Princess of Wales (1997) · David Kelly (2003) · Alexander Litvinenko (2006) · Benazir Bhutto (2007)
UFO theory    
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Other theories    

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Verified conspiracies    

Dreyfus affair (1894) · Affaire Des Fiches (1904–1905) · Gleiwitz incident (1939) · Lavon Affair (1954) · Watergate (1972) · Niger uranium forgeries (2001) · Project MKULTRA (1975) · COINTELPRO · Operation Mockingbird · Operation Northwoods · Iran–Contra affair · Secret files scandal
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 14, 2010, 08:25:05 pm
What's your point?
Which ones do you agree with?
Which one's don't you?

Why?
Why not?

Have you actually looked into any of them, i.e Bilderbergers, Bohemian Grove, Club of Rome, MK Ultra, Project Monarch etc?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: TofuEater on May 14, 2010, 08:27:27 pm
Quote from: Spacemonkey;1265355
Yes, Zarkov is right, they were 767's, not 737's.
Zarkov's wrong - they were 757's. Actually, we're both right - the four aircraft were two 767's and two 757's.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: swindle on May 14, 2010, 08:28:21 pm
I always thought 737

Not sure why now
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: TofuEater on May 14, 2010, 08:33:32 pm
Probably because of the twin engines. It's an easy enough mistake to make if you don't look closely. The most obvious difference is that they were turbo-fan enginned, whereas the 737's are mostly turbo-jet.

But even that doesn't hold for the later model 737's which switched to turbo-fans when airports began to implement stricter noise abatement requirements.

Also, the difference between the 757 and 767 in appearance is that the fuselage on the 767 is stubbier and shorter, whereas the 757 is longer and narrower. This is reflected inside, where the 757 has a single aisle and the 767 has two.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 14, 2010, 08:35:07 pm
What happened to John Lennon's nose?


(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll47/Ngati_Grim/sofa1.jpg)
Aquiline


(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll47/Ngati_Grim/outtake.jpg)
Beaky


...and yeah, Eddie, What about Paul's ears, aye!
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: swindle on May 14, 2010, 08:36:02 pm
Its rather astounding how loud they are

I remember doing work at the airport out on the tarmac, couldn't have been more then 50 meters away from the engines as they where powering up. You can feel the energy, the raw power, literally radiating from them
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on May 14, 2010, 08:39:26 pm
I am on a slow connection so only watched a small part of that video.

What exactly is it trying to say?

Is it saying that CNN bought footage off some amatuer who had edited in planes?

It cant be saying that. That is far too absurd, even for you people.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: swindle on May 14, 2010, 08:40:42 pm
I'll agree with that, for sure
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 14, 2010, 08:45:17 pm
Quote from: BerG;1265425
I am on a slow connection so only watched a small part of that video.

What exactly is it trying to say?

Is it saying that CNN bought footage off some amatuer (sic) who had edited in planes?

It cant be saying that. That is far too absurd, even for you people.


Well, because you only watched a part of it...


Why is it to absurd?
Did you catch what his job was?
Does it ruffle your 'world view'?
Is it not possible?
Are you scared of admitting possibilities that seem extreme? (This is what they 'bank' on...the 'sheeple (haha) buying the lie because the alternative is too much to handle).

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a0598saudibribe&scale=5#a0598saudibribe (http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a0598saudibribe&scale=5#a0598saudibribe)



Slow connection is a cop out..let it load while you do something else...or do you not really care and only wish to contemplate one side because you see the other side as preposterous?

Yes, it IS preposterous.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: mattnz on May 14, 2010, 08:54:05 pm
Err, so they also convinced all the people who saw the plane hit the building that it was a plane? I'm all for questioning and shit, but denying there was a plane is getting a bit out there.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 14, 2010, 09:01:34 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1265409
rofl, you guys still going on about 'planes'?

[video]2Nok_8nUKxc[/video]


Freaken ridiculous video.

oh look, blurry shapes on an amateur video, it's 100% proof of a massive conspiracy!!!!

Talk about jumping to conclusions.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 14, 2010, 09:13:36 pm
Yep, talking about jumping to conclusions...

People are easily convinced, it's the power of suggestion and was reinforced throughout the day.

You just have to reinforce the message, Mr Pavlov. ;)

Show me the professional videos of the event and you'll have your conspiracy well and truly :P.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: swindle on May 14, 2010, 09:27:24 pm
Imagine, just imagine if 911 was the biggest tv scandal in human history, and it was all bullshit...

Imagine
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: mattnz on May 14, 2010, 09:39:31 pm
Quote from: swindle;1265437
Imagine, just imagine if 911 was the biggest tv scandal in human history, and it was all bullshit...

Imagine

Well that's enough evidence to get Grim on board.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on May 14, 2010, 09:41:28 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1265427
Quote from: BerG;1265425
I am on a slow connection so only watched a small part of that video.

What exactly is it trying to say?

Is it saying that CNN bought footage off some amatuer (sic) who had edited in planes?

It cant be saying that. That is far too absurd, even for you people.

Well, because you only watched a part of it...


Why is it to absurd?

Because I was watching it live when it happened?

Or was this guy animating 'on the fly' and instantaneously broadcasting to CNN?



Was this video also animated?

[video]XELamUnF0EU[/video]

And this?

[video]TJOwttgBpzE&[/video]

This?

[video]3uldHldT6Cg&feature=related[/video]

I wonder what all those thousands of witnesses would say about this?

[video]J3iKLz4oatY&feature=related[/video]

[video]mbCENOWUQMo&feature=channel[/video]
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: mattnz on May 14, 2010, 09:43:51 pm
^Yep, they cover that one in the last part.

Pretty much all the flaws they point out are due to compression.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: sponge on May 14, 2010, 09:47:13 pm
This thread is a conspiracy, No one has proof it's even here.

I have several video's of this thread that were obviously faked.

It was all set up by the government.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on May 14, 2010, 09:47:53 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;1265416
Quote from: Spacemonkey;1265355
Yes, Zarkov is right, they were 767's, not 737's.
Zarkov's wrong - they were 757's. Actually, we're both right - the four aircraft were two 767's and two 757's.

No, we weren't both right.

You were wrong and I was right.

The planes that crashed into the WTC were 767s.



Don't try and hitch your wrongness to my rightness.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: swindle on May 14, 2010, 09:48:12 pm
Those videos are covered in the vids grim posted, berG :p
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on May 14, 2010, 09:52:03 pm
Ok.

Well the videos grim posted are clearly rediculous then.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: TofuEater on May 14, 2010, 09:52:29 pm
Or imagine if the conspiracy theorists have hoodwinked you by splicing in edits of TV footage that are asynchronous to make it look as if a plane didn't hit the tower when in fact it did.

The secondary, tertiary and quaternary "explosions" are quite consistent with a mass continuing through the bulding and causing chaos and mayhem. I would say the "explosions" are:

North Side: fuselage
West Side: right engine
South Side: cockpit exiting building
East Side: left engine

Frankly, i find it rather ghoulish and despicable that conspiracy theorists are prepared to spout their crap when so many people died as a result of these actions. There is no doubt that people fell out of the buildings to their deaths and that i would love to see some of you wankers actually say it to the face of someone who lost a loved one - i suspect you'd get a similar reaction to the fruitcake who told Buzz Aldrin that he didn't step on the moon.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: swindle on May 14, 2010, 09:53:22 pm
Like Matt said, compression issues

I know 2/5th of nothing when it comes to video, and all the bit rates and compression types, but it would make sense

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: chavez-oi on May 14, 2010, 10:03:09 pm
5000 dead people is a small price to pay for 3.125 trillion dollars in oil
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Menial on May 14, 2010, 10:11:32 pm
3.125 trillion dollars in bacon.



Mmmmmm.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Meoith on May 14, 2010, 10:18:44 pm
Quote from: chavez-oi;1265462
5000 dead people is a small price to pay for 3.125 trillion dollars in oil

Regardless, if they wanted a good reason to goto war, they still could have done it all in a much more simpler way.

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: swindle on May 14, 2010, 10:27:03 pm
Like the old school way

We want it so were taking it, though shit
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on May 14, 2010, 10:29:39 pm
Quote from: chavez-oi;1265462
5000 dead people is a small price to pay for 3.125 trillion dollars in oil

You mean 3000 people.

And as others have stated, aircraft flying into buildings would have been enough reason to go to war. The government didn't need to intentionally demolish the buildings as some would have you believe.

Imagine the amount of people/engineers involved in blowing up the buildings? Imagine how many people to keep quiet? Imagine how many things had to come together PERFECTLY for it to be pulled off?

Imagine how much simpler it would be to just hire some arabs to hijack planes and crash them into the buildings?

You still get the symbolic footage of some of Americas most important buildings on fire, you still get the CNN banner saying 'AMERICA UNDER ATTACK', and you still get angry Americans wanting to go to war. Best of all, it is FAR less complicated.

If the government did this, they would not be stupid enough to hatch such a complicated plan. This simple fact overrides any of your bullshit conspiracy theories.

You are making me angry.

This is my last post.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 14, 2010, 11:00:47 pm
Quote from: BerG;1265443


Because I was watching it live when it happened?


So that'd make you and George W. the only people who saw it 'live'.

It's nice you trust the media so much.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Meoith on May 14, 2010, 11:02:17 pm
Quote from: swindle;1265475
Like the old school way

We want it so were taking it, though shit


The old way is if your going to stage something you dont make it complicated also you make it obvious who did it(anti americans had a field day with 911), also most of all you limit the damage, ie kill a shit load of unimportant people/whatever it takes but dont damage your country important infrastructure/economy, the damage that was caused by 911 was hardly beneficial on that front.

I just think you guys are so twisted you can not bare to accept it being anything else but a setup.


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: swindle on May 14, 2010, 11:03:29 pm
The only media i get, is what i come across or find on the net

I don't watch tv (per-say, big bang theory ftw)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Meoith on May 14, 2010, 11:05:25 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1265488
Quote from: BerG;1265443


Because I was watching it live when it happened?


So that'd make you and George W. the only people who saw it 'live'.

It's nice you trust the media so much.

At the end of the day you get your info from a selected media source as well determined on the premise America is always upto no good/evil, seriously your media no fucken better.

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 14, 2010, 11:15:20 pm
Quote from: BerG;1265476



Imagine Imagine
Imagine

That's all I'm doing.

Did I say I believed it outright? No. I said I think it has legs, meaning it is worthy of further investigation than just accepting the official story...for all we know it could have been a joint affair between Mossad and whatever U.S. outfit (PNAC?), or it might have been as the official story goes, but as this is a 'conspiracy thread, one must entertain the conspiracy, especially as it is so bold!


Quote from: BerG;1265476
If the government did this, they would not be stupid enough to hatch such a complicated plan.

You mean like the reasons they went to war in Afghanistan/Iraq?

Quote from: BerG;1265476

My job is done, then :P

Remember the 'neighbour's dog' thread?

Quote from: BerG;1265476
This is my last post.

I don't believe you.
Oh, in this thread you mean?

That's a shame. I haven't even started on the 7/7 bombings in London.

Reverie?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 14, 2010, 11:18:58 pm
Quote from: Meoith;1265492


At the end of the day you get your info from a selected media source as well determined on the premise America is always upto no good/evil, seriously your media no fucken better.

Really, You know where I get my news from?
Care to give me sources?
Did I say that America was evil?
Did I mention where I get my news from?
Did I say I relied on one source?

:/

So, what about John Lennon's nose?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: mattnz on May 15, 2010, 12:12:13 am
Got broken?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: SteddieEddie on May 15, 2010, 01:34:45 am
Paul's height is a mystery too
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: TofuEater on May 15, 2010, 05:16:47 am
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1265488

So that'd make you and George W. the only people who saw it 'live'.

It's nice you trust the media so much.
So how DID they do it then?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on May 15, 2010, 09:13:37 am
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1265488
Quote from: BerG;1265443


Because I was watching it live when it happened?


So that'd make you and George W. the only people who saw it 'live'.

It's nice you trust the media so much.

Are you just trying to wind me up?

I know someone who was talking to someone on the phone who was in New York while it was happening.

Events seemed to coincide.

But I guess they were in on it too.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: toofast on May 15, 2010, 09:29:30 am
Lol.
There was no planes. I mean seriously that is so very ridiculous.

Like someone said previously, 911 conspiracies, like most, fail on occam's razor. I mean really why would someone not only fake planes hitting the buildings, but also bring them down, while also crashing a plane into a field (probably the thing which makes the least sense?), bride hundreds of peoples, bride eye witnesses. It all very over the top. I think it was best summed up on south park (like most things), where the episode ended up with bush behind all the 911 conspiracy theories, because he felt its better to make it seem like the governments in full control, rather than no control at all.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 15, 2010, 09:31:48 am
Quote from: BerG;1265571

I know someone who was talking to someone on the phone who was in New York while it was happening.

Events seemed to coincide.

But I guess they were in on it too.

Of course they were in on it, so was the person you know, even you were in on it Berg, remember that Cheque you got in the mail to keep quite?

I bought a new graphics card with my Cheque.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Crazy_Whitey on May 15, 2010, 11:31:50 am
Seems to me Grim took way way too much acid in the 70s.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 15, 2010, 02:57:47 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;1265560

So how DID they do it then?


I have no idea, honestly, but I think that the Official Story stinks and deserves further investigation.
It's all a little too convenient, particularly when you investigate the back story and the other events of the day.

Quote from: BerG;1265571


Are you just trying to wind me up?

I know someone who was talking to someone on the phone who was in New York while it was happening.

Events seemed to coincide.



Actually, surprisingly, no I'm not trying to wind you up.
...know someone who was talking to someone....that old chestnut! My brother knows someone who knows someone who was talking to Obama....

Quote from: toofast;1265573
Lol.
There was no planes. I mean seriously that is so very ridiculous.



Yes, it's preposterous, which is what they WANT you to think ;)

Quote from: Crazy_Whitey;1265601
Seems to me Grim took way way too much acid in the 70s.


I took none in the '70s, or the '80s.
How much is too much?
Have you even looked at the videos, or bothered looking into this beyond what you see here and in the mainstream media?


Anyway, I've got bigger fish to fry.
Here's more John Lennon:

(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll47/Ngati_Grim/lovelyshirt2.jpg)

(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll47/Ngati_Grim/johnandyoko54.jpg)

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 15, 2010, 03:38:42 pm
I'm sure he was rich enough to afford a nose job.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: swindle on May 15, 2010, 03:50:23 pm
Quote from: Crazy_Whitey;1265601
Seems to me Grim took way way too much acid in the 70s.

I nominate you for being the best contributer to the forum in 2010
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: toofast on May 15, 2010, 04:49:59 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1265671
Quote from: toofast;1265573
Lol.
There was no planes. I mean seriously that is so very ridiculous.


Yes, it's preposterous, which is what they WANT you to think ;)
Wait so what you are telling me, is you believe that the twin towers were blown up with explosives, but rather than blame it on a terrorist bombing, they put planes into all the amateur footage of the towers going down. And then bribed all the eye witnesses (i would assume it would be done before hand, since if a plane hits the twin towers, first thing most people would do, is call someone. But i suppose if we are believe all the above, wouldn't be too hard to believe the goverment hacked everyones phones using a visual basic gui, and stopped them calling anyone [or even faked the whole convo].), while stop any non bribed person out of the area. While also making sure nobody could see the towers from even the furthest outstretches of the city ( i suppose bribe the whole city). Then somehow bribed all the people in the tower (probably done after, since who would go into the tower knowing they would die[unless all the bodies and peoples deaths was faked]) to tell everyone they saw a plane hit the towers.

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Retardobot on May 15, 2010, 05:01:45 pm
Quote from: toofast;1265718
Wait so what you are telling me, is you believe that the twin towers were blown up with explosives, but rather than blame it on a terrorist bombing, they put planes into all the amateur footage of the towers going down. And then bribed all the eye witnesses (i would assume it would be done before hand, since if a plane hits the twin towers, first thing most people would do, is call someone. But i suppose if we are believe all the above, wouldn't be too hard to believe the goverment hacked everyones phones using a visual basic gui, and stopped them calling anyone [or even faked the whole convo].), while stop any non bribed person out of the area. While also making sure nobody could see the towers from even the furthest outstretches of the city ( i suppose bribe the whole city). Then somehow bribed all the people in the tower (probably done after, since who would go into the tower knowing they would die[unless all the bodies and peoples deaths was faked]) to tell everyone they saw a plane hit the towers.

I'm not taking sides here, but what you have said is a little interesting.

What makes you think that the only way that they could of falsified the footage was to take already captured footage from the public and added planes? That'd be a pretty silly and arse about face way to do it.

Lets say your back is turned, you have your car parked on a street and some guy drives into it, totals it and manages to drive away without you really seeing what happens. All it takes for you to understand what had happened is for someone to come up and say "I saw what happened, a another car crashed into yours". The situation calls for it to be true, it was plausible and driving statistics and crashes already suggest that something like this is very likley to happen.

You're being told something has happened, circumstantial evidence and someones 'word' tells you it's true, so you have no reason to doubt it so your brain takes it as the gospel.  
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 15, 2010, 05:02:37 pm
Quote from: toofast;1265718

Wait so what you are telling me, is you believe

Don't get ahead of yourself there. I haven't said I believe. I HAVE said that I think it is important to look into alternative possibilities.

In another post I said I think that 911 "has legs" as a conspiracy and re-reiterate that it merits further investigation.

There's still plenty more to post, including some information about the possibility of planes...including remote-controlled planes, NORAD, the Pentagon strengthening, and cetera.

Could I remind you of the title of this thread and my comments in the first post? ;)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: toofast on May 15, 2010, 05:19:37 pm
Quote from: RetardoBot;1265723
I'm not taking sides here, but what you have said is a little interesting.

What makes you think that the only way that they could of falsified the footage was to take already captured footage from the public and added planes? That'd be a pretty silly and arse about face way to do it.

Lets say your back is turned, you have your car parked on a street and some guy drives into it, totals it and manages to drive away without you really seeing what happens. All it takes for you to understand what had happened is for someone to come up and say "I saw what happened, a another car crashed into yours". The situation calls for it to be true, it was plausible and driving statistics and crashes already suggest that something like this is very likley to happen.

You're being told something has happened, circumstantial evidence and someones 'word' tells you it's true, so you have no reason to doubt it so your brain takes it as the gospel.
I meant in regards to the many videos posted on the other page with planes in it (which someone said had planes added to them). But i do get what you are getting at.

Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1265724
Quote from: toofast;1265718

Wait so what you are telling me, is you believe

Don't get ahead of yourself there. I haven't said I believe. I HAVE said that I think it is important to look into alternative possibilities.

In another post I said I think that 911 "has legs" as a conspiracy and re-reiterate that it merits further investigation.

There's still plenty more to post, including some information about the possibility of planes...including remote-controlled planes, NORAD, the Pentagon strengthening, and cetera.

Could I remind you of the title of this thread and my comments in the first post? ;)
Wait so the point of this thread is to float very unlikely scenarios by, saying they can't be ruled out, because the very very small chance it could be true.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on May 15, 2010, 05:23:03 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1265724
Quote from: toofast;1265718

Wait so what you are telling me, is you believe

Don't get ahead of yourself there. I haven't said I believe. I HAVE said that I think it is important to look into alternative possibilities.

In another post I said I think that 911 "has legs" as a conspiracy and re-reiterate that it merits further investigation.

There's still plenty more to post, including some information about the possibility of planes...including remote-controlled planes, NORAD, the Pentagon strengthening, and cetera.

Could I remind you of the title of this thread and my comments in the first post? ;)

C'mon Grim, get off the fence.

On the one hand you like to be regarded as a man of science and an authority on some things.

On the other, you keep postulating that there might be some truth in this lunatic stuff.



It's kind of like saying that the Book of Morman is a provoking read, but I don't wear long pajamas to bed.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: liquidpain on May 15, 2010, 05:34:12 pm
I highly doubt the government or a secret organisation could pull a stunt like 911 but you shouldn't believe everything they say either. They, the government,tell lies, just like everybody else to cover their asses.

Most people who are conspiracy theory 'field experts" are fucking nuts... grim gave me a website a while back... http://www.abovetopsecret.com that site is full of fucking idiots who feed of each others stupidities.

The US government took full advantage of the situation and invaded Iraq. Most of it was aided by the US media bandwagon.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 15, 2010, 08:21:58 pm
Quote from: toofast;1265735

Wait so the point of this thread is to float very unlikely scenarios by, saying they can't be ruled out, because the very very small chance it could be true.

Nope, the point of this thread was to post some Conspiracy Theories. I didn't even bring up 911, but since someone else did I thought it would be interesting to look at other sides than just the Official, seeing as this is a conspiracy thread.

Quote from: liquidpain;1265746

Most people who are conspiracy theory 'field experts" are fucking nuts... grim gave me a website a while back... http://www.abovetopsecret.com that site is full of fucking idiots who feed of each others stupidities.
Yes, there are lots on there that would fit that bill, but there are also others who debate them well and provide really good links.
You just have to choose which threads to follow.

Quote from: Zarkov;1265737


C'mon Grim, get off the fence.

On the one hand you like to be regarded as a man of science (sic) and an authority on some things.

Really? An authority? Those are your words, not mine. I just have a loud voice.
Yes, I'm interested in Science and work in a field that is Scientific.


Quote from: Zarkov;1265737
On the other, you keep postulating that there might be some truth in this lunatic stuff.

I re-re-reiterate that I don't think the Official Story is as truthful as people like to think it is. There are men and women of Science who think that it should be investigated more deeply. The problem is obfuscation, depth of the history behind it, following the paper trail, understanding the background events etc, along with the constant abuse, ridicule, personal attacks and life-threats that people who dig a little are subject to.

Have a look at 'Operation Northwoods', MK-Ultra, the Project for the New American Century etc.

My opinion? I don't know, but I lean away from the official story.

Do I think there were no planes? Personally, no. I just posted some videos from those who do.
Do I think that there was some high-level U.S. involvement? Yes, I think it is a possibility.
I'm not just some flakey, fly-by-nighter. I have looked into this for many years, on and off, both (many) sides of the story and haven't been convinced either way. If that makes me a fence-sitter, so be it.

If you want to couch insults directed towards me under the guise of 'flattery' (man of science) and plain ad hominim (lunatic) then that is your prerogative. I'm trying to take on board what you have mentioned about my drinking habits and poor posts in the past and retain my composure and you will note that I have hardly resorted to getting personal in this thread. I'm trying to approach from a level-headed position and explore possibilities, no matter how unreasonable they may sound to people because, and I'll reiterate, this is a conspiracy thread.

A few times I have posted other potential conspiracies of a more light-hearted nature (i.e. the OP and John Lennon) but people want to keep coming back to 911 and keep it serious. I'm fine with that, but realise that I have been trying to find out information about the events surrounding 911 for years and that my mind isn't made up. It's a complex subject. You can choose to contribute, or you can choose to ridicule.

Personally, I choose to contribute.


So, what about Paul McCartney's ears, eh?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on May 15, 2010, 10:04:06 pm
Don't be so thin skinned.

I'm not trying to insult you, I just think you're being disingenuous.

You talk about "trying to find out about events surrounding 911" as if there's some serious doubts about what happened, or that something's being hidden from you for some reason.

The corollary of that suggestion is that I'm gullible because I accept the evidence of my senses and intellect.

Perhaps you think the lunar landings were maybe some sort of conjuring trick.

I think that's just not rational.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 15, 2010, 10:20:02 pm
I didn't think I was being thin-skinned (another veiled insult?). I thought it was a well-written reply with some salient points as I see them.

There are serious doubts. That's why there are movements such as 'Architects for 911 Truth' etc...I don't think you're gullible, I just think that , like many, you haven't felt a need to question it because the official explanation worked for you, and as I've repeatedly said, it doesn't work for me. Maybe I come from a less-trusting of authority paradigm? I don't know. All I'm trying to say, (and all I've ever said) is it doesn't seem right to me. You might think it's not rational and you're entitled to your (somewhat misguided?) opinion. I think it is rational to question, especially since the story came out so quickly and certain parts have already been shown to be less than truthful (i.e.the involvement of Osama Bin Laden).

Which brings me to the potential of faked videos of OBL. But I'll leave them for another day.

Of course the Lunar landings occurred...the lunar module can be seen in various mission images (Kayuga/Clementine etc) that have gone there, as well as the mirrors. Though I can post about this as another conspiracy if you would like?

You can try to paint me as a fruitcake and put words in my mouth and that's fine.
I already know that I see things differently than you.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: ChineseKiwi on May 15, 2010, 10:33:44 pm
Grim, please read this:

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

Tbh, there far more credible evidence on how the Nuremberg Trials were a total mock trial and questions over the number dead from the Holocaust. But oops, taboo subject and any questioning over the official story and figures = 'Holocaust denier'.

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on May 15, 2010, 10:33:54 pm
You can't be disingenuous and a fruit cake at the same time.

That's the thing about fruit cakes.

They're straight up.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 15, 2010, 10:42:54 pm
Quote from: ChineseKiwi;1265862
Grim, please read this:

[url]http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html[/url]




It will take me more than a day so I won't get back about this particular link until I have read it....at least I try to get balanced (both sides) information if I have questions.

Quote from: ChineseKiwi;1265862
Tbh, there far more credible evidence on how the Nuremberg Trials were a total mock trial and questions over the number dead from the Holocaust. But oops, taboo subject and any questioning over the official story and figures = 'Holocaust denier'.



Yes, there are certainly questions regarding Nuremburg. One just has to look at the U.S. welcoming of Nazis into their fold via Operation Paperclip to realise this.

Zarkov, what do you want me to say?
I've said I think planes were involved and I've said I don't think the Official Story stacks up, for me.

You play a good game of man not ball.
Enough to drive a man to drink.

Anyway,time for bed, Alfie is back from the vet and Nurse is home too.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: ChineseKiwi on May 15, 2010, 10:54:11 pm
Oh yeah this too:

[video]T69TOuqaqXI[/video]
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Meoith on May 15, 2010, 10:56:36 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1265496
Really, You know where I get my news from?

I think you filter what you look at in teh very same way that a religious person does, the fact you feel the need to go far out of the way to disbelieve 911 points to that tendency/need.


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Care to give me sources?

http://www.iliketojackofftoconspiracytheorys.com, http://www.imarebelbutidontrealiseimatrendfollwingconformistmyself.com etc.

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Did I say that America was evil?

I said websites/etc, besides Ive seen your previous posts(for longer than this account has existed), i already have a idea what type of personality/chips on your shoulder you have, you'd sooner visit a "America is always upto no good/evil" filtered web site cos you think thats where the lol@truth lies.

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Did I mention where I get my news from?

Why bother its obvious what you subscribe to.

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Did I say I relied on one source?

When i say source i mean filtered sources, no trendy conspiracy fan boy can limit themselves to one filtered source obviously.

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on May 15, 2010, 11:10:08 pm
Quote from: Meoith;1265869
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1265496
Really, You know where I get my news from?

I think you filter what you look at in teh very same way that a religious person does, the fact you feel the need to go far out of the way to disbelieve 911 points to that tendency/need.


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Care to give me sources?

http://www.iliketojackofftoconspiracytheorys.com, http://www.imarebelbutidontrealiseimatrendfollwingconformistmyself.com etc.

Quote
Did I say that America was evil?

I said websites/etc, besides Ive seen your previous posts(for longer than this account has existed), i already have a idea what type of personality/chips on your shoulder you have, you'd sooner visit a "America is always upto no good/evil" filtered web site cos you think thats where the lol@truth lies.

Quote
Did I mention where I get my news from?

Why bother its obvious what you subscribe to.

Quote
Did I say I relied on one source?

When i say source i mean filtered sources, no trendy conspiracy fan boy can limit themselves to one filtered source obviously.

Quit disrespecting Grim.

I personally believe that we're disposed to credulity by our upbringing.

Nurture versus nature if you wish.

Tell us Grim, are you by way of being a Mennonite?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on May 16, 2010, 12:09:45 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1265671



...know someone who was talking to someone....that old chestnut!

What, did you want me to post their names and contact details?

Said person also saw planes.

Oh that's right, they were in on it. Silly me!
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: mattnz on May 16, 2010, 12:16:08 pm
C'mon look at the evidence

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As if this plot wasn't sufficiently challenging, there were Truth activists who became persuaded of even more technologically complex possibilities. On the fifth anniversary of the attacks, the New Statesman carried an interview with David Shayler and his partner Annie Machon, the former employees of MI5. The interviewer describes Machon as looking uncomfortable when Shayler decides to reveal his true opinion. “‘Oh f*** it, I'm just going to say this', (Shayler) tells her. ‘Yes, I believe no planes were involved in 9/ll.' But we all saw with our own eyes the two planes crash into the WTC. ‘The only explanation is that they were missiles surrounded by holograms made to look like planes,' he says. ‘Watch footage frame by frame and you will see a cigar-shaped missile hitting the World Trade Center.' He must notice that my jaw has dropped. ‘I know it sounds weird, but this is what I believe.'”


http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article6187493.ece
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: ninjaweedman on May 16, 2010, 12:18:00 pm
we are all doomed from the get go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: ChineseKiwi on May 16, 2010, 12:28:48 pm
^

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html#Collapses

(http://www.loosechangeguide.com/images/image025.jpg)

nice ninja edit.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 16, 2010, 12:34:16 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1265855

There are serious doubts. That's why there are movements such as 'Architects for 911 Truth' etc...I don't think you're gullible, I just think that , like many, you haven't felt a need to question it because the official explanation worked for you, and as I've repeatedly said, it doesn't work for me. Maybe I come from a less-trusting of authority paradigm? I don't know. All I'm trying to say, (and all I've ever said) is it doesn't seem right to me. You might think it's not rational and you're entitled to your (somewhat misguided?) opinion. I think it is rational to question, especially since the story came out so quickly and certain parts have already been shown to be less than truthful (i.e.the involvement of Osama Bin Laden).

Look, it's fair enough that you think it warrants further investigation, I don't think any one would argue against that.

But the way you come across, by calling people 'misguided' and that they 'happily accept' the official explanation, it puts people on the defensive. You forcing people to take sides, then call them misguided for doing so.

I didn't accept the 'official explanation', I just had the evidence I saw, which was only what I saw in videos of the towers and video's of interviews of people explaining what they saw.

But what I have never seen is any evidence otherwise, nothing at all, to suggest any conspiracy.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: SteddieEddie on May 16, 2010, 12:43:54 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;1265560
So how DID they do it then?


MAYBE

when FBI agent Ken Williams filed his report that Muslims were having flight training http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0412042phoenix1.html, it didn't get ignored as claimed by the FBI, it was actually followed up. 2 flight schools go on record to say that indeed the FBI had been asking questions about some of the hijackers. http://www.prisonplanet.com/fbi_knew_terrorists_using_flight_schools.html.

So for the sake of my argument lets say that happened. The FBI look into it and that there might be a plot to use aircraft's as a missile. They go to the CIA, as it involves foreign nationals and they do their thing and uncover the plot.

Now the CIA would report to Cheney and he thinks, cool, this is the Pearl Harbour that we have been looking for. We can secure oil, use up a big stockpile of our weapons, making him even richer and get the numbskull George W re elected. I'm sure even the Americans would have got suspicious rigging 2 elections in a row.

So they just keep tabs on the terrorists, but soon realize that their plan will not work as the World Trade centre is designed to withstand planes flying into them. They dispatch a squad of well trained black ops dudes to ensure the towers come down and possibly even help them via remote control to hit the buildings. Lots of pilots have stated it is extremely difficult to aim a plane at a building travelling at 800km/hr.

The black op team sets up quarters in building 7, and carries out it's mission. They then detonate building 7 to cover up their tracks.

[video]LD06SAf0p9A[/video]

So you don't need a cast of thousands to carry this out. A few in government, a few top ranking CIA and FBI officials and the black op team. None of these would ever spill the story as they would be done for treason.

Disclaimer.. I am not saying it did go down like this, just pointing out that you do not need thousands or even hundreds in on this for it to work. I do not believe that aliens have control of our government or our minds. I am not a conspiracy theorist( whatever that means).

I like Grim just think the official story does not stack up( geddit) and have looked into it a little
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: ninjaweedman on May 16, 2010, 12:44:47 pm
heres the official story, entirely possible, I just cannot see how they fell so quickly


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMZ-nkYr46w
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 16, 2010, 12:54:33 pm
Or maybe aliens do control our government.

What hit the two buildings were alien missiles which had some kind of adaptive camouflage to make them look like planes.

It's preposterous I know, but that's what they want you to think.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: mattnz on May 16, 2010, 01:00:46 pm
Quote from: SteddieEddie;1265976
Quote from: TofuEater;1265560
So how DID they do it then?


MAYBE

when FBI agent Ken Williams filed his report that Muslims were having flight training [url]http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0412042phoenix1.html,[/url] it didn't get ignored as claimed by the FBI, it was actually followed up. 2 flight schools go on record to say that indeed the FBI had been asking questions about some of the hijackers. [url]http://www.prisonplanet.com/fbi_knew_terrorists_using_flight_schools.html.[/url]

So for the sake of my argument lets say that happened. The FBI look into it and that there might be a plot to use aircraft's as a missile. They go to the CIA, as it involves foreign nationals and they do their thing and uncover the plot.

Now the CIA would report to Cheney and he thinks, cool, this is the Pearl Harbour that we have been looking for. We can secure oil, use up a big stockpile of our weapons, making him even richer and get the numbskull George W re elected. I'm sure even the Americans would have got suspicious rigging 2 elections in a row.

So they just keep tabs on the terrorists, but soon realize that their plan will not work as the World Trade centre is designed to withstand planes flying into them. They dispatch a squad of well trained black ops dudes to ensure the towers come down and possibly even help them via remote control to hit the buildings. Lots of pilots have stated it is extremely difficult to aim a plane at a building travelling at 800km/hr.

The black op team sets up quarters in building 7, and carries out it's mission. They then detonate building 7 to cover up their tracks.

[video]LD06SAf0p9A[/video]

So you don't need a cast of thousands to carry this out. A few in government, a few top ranking CIA and FBI officials and the black op team. None of these would ever spill the story as they would be done for treason.

Disclaimer.. I am not saying it did go down like this, just pointing out that you do not need thousands or even hundreds in on this for it to work. I do not believe that aliens have control of our government or our minds. I am not a conspiracy theorist( whatever that means).

I like Grim just think the official story does not stack up( geddit) and have looked into it a little


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How difficult would it have been for them to do what they did?

Not very difficult at all. As long as you can fly straight and level and you know how the controls operate the aircraft and have some idea how the aircraft is going to respond, flying straight into a building is not difficult.

Those aircraft were probably flying on autopilot and had the Flight Management Computer programmed. Knowing how to disengage that and reprogramme it to get from where they were to where they wanted to go would have been the most difficult thing.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1544113.stm

And I doubt they were going at cruise speed when trying to hit the buildings

Quote from: Spacemonkey;1265978
Or maybe aliens do control our government.

What hit the two buildings were alien missiles which had some kind of adaptive camouflage to make them look like planes.

It's preposterous I know, but that's what they want you to think.


Adaptive camouflage? Like what the crazy in my last post believes?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: SteddieEddie on May 16, 2010, 01:08:25 pm
From your link

How much training do you think these hijackers had?

I would say the guy in the second 767 which hit the World Trade Centre was pretty experienced - unless it was luck. He didn't just fly at the building, he manoeuvred it to cause maximum damage.

He put the aircraft into a 'slip', which is when you roll the aircraft wings but keep the nose aligned with the building and that requires you to roll the aircraft using one set of controls but keep the nose pointed in the same direction using the rudders. That's not something you can pick up from manuals.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: ChineseKiwi on May 16, 2010, 01:08:38 pm
God just read the thing

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: ninjaweedman on May 16, 2010, 01:12:03 pm
http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

nice site this, thanks ck.
There are too many holes in each story, the thing i know, is that buildings of that size wouldn't fall at freefall speed, yet the top damaged section
almost behaved as the official story explains
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: mattnz on May 16, 2010, 01:19:09 pm
Quote from: SteddieEddie;1265986
From your link

How much training do you think these hijackers had?

I would say the guy in the second 767 which hit the World Trade Centre was pretty experienced - unless it was luck. He didn't just fly at the building, he manoeuvred it to cause maximum damage.

He put the aircraft into a 'slip', which is when you roll the aircraft wings but keep the nose aligned with the building and that requires you to roll the aircraft using one set of controls but keep the nose pointed in the same direction using the rudders. That's not something you can pick up from manuals.

Your point was that it is difficult to fly planes into buildings.
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Post by: Bell on May 16, 2010, 01:24:19 pm
Quote from: SteddieEddie;1265986
That's not something you can pick up from manuals.

Shit I learnt about that from a flight sim game manual, so why the fuck wouldnt that be in real flight manuals?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on May 16, 2010, 02:47:49 pm
Quote from: SteddieEddie;1265986
From your link

How much training do you think these hijackers had?

I would say the guy in the second 767 which hit the World Trade Centre was pretty experienced - unless it was luck. He didn't just fly at the building, he manoeuvred it to cause maximum damage.

He put the aircraft into a 'slip', which is when you roll the aircraft wings but keep the nose aligned with the building and that requires you to roll the aircraft using one set of controls but keep the nose pointed in the same direction using the rudders. That's not something you can pick up from manuals.

Haha.

It's a basic flight manuver.

No wonder these conspiracy theories got legs.

They should be called ignorance theories.

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: mattnz on May 16, 2010, 03:20:16 pm
To put that quote in context, it had been asked earlier in the interview if you could learn to fly a plane solely from reading the manual.
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Post by: Virus. on May 16, 2010, 03:52:31 pm
Quote from: ChineseKiwi;1265987
God just read the thing

[url]http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html[/url]


I can't find the exact wording but a statement in that website questioned why buildings would be made fireproof if the structures were already mean't to be fireproof.

Arguments like that are plain stupid. Of course you would try to fireproof a building no matter how much heat the supports could stand. The idea isn't to save the structure, it's to save the people inside it.

Another statement was questioning approximations of around 10 seconds.

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9:59. New York City, New York. The South Tower of the World Trade Center collapses to the ground in approximately 10 seconds.
How approximate is that measurement?

29 minutes later the North Tower follows suit, collapsing in approximately 10 seconds.
How approximate is that measurement?


Everyone knows that approximations are never exact, but questioning without reason or explanation is silly.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on May 16, 2010, 04:15:52 pm
Quote from: mattnz;1266035
To put that quote in context, it had been asked earlier in the interview if you could learn to fly a plane solely from reading the manual.

I'll explain.

Turning any aircraft is a balancing act between bank and slip.

Too much rudder and you skid out of the turn.

Not enough and you skid earthwards.


This isn't readily apparent to the pilot since there are no lateral G forces.

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: mattnz on May 16, 2010, 04:20:04 pm
I think you missed my point entirely, as I can't seem to decipher your reply. The interviewee is saying he was experienced compared to someone who had only read the aircraft manual.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: liquidpain on May 16, 2010, 04:49:46 pm
flying a plane is piss easy. anyone with 30hours of flight experience in a small cessna can fly a 737 or a 747 or a 767.

you can pay $100 for half hour in a 737 simulator.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on May 16, 2010, 04:57:55 pm
Quote from: mattnz;1266052
I think you missed my point entirely, as I can't seem to decipher your reply. The interviewee is saying he was experienced compared to someone who had only read the aircraft manual.

I don't think you understood my explanation at all.

What I was saying is that slipping an aircraft in that situation was probably inadvertent, regardless of the experience of the pilot.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on May 16, 2010, 05:19:34 pm
Just listen to Zarkov.

Trust us, he didn't miss your point.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 16, 2010, 05:43:07 pm
Quote from: mattnz;1266035
To put that quote in context, it had been asked earlier in the interview if you could learn to fly a plane solely from reading the manual.

The hardest part of flying is the landing.


That wasn't a requirement for the terrorists.
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Post by: mattnz on May 16, 2010, 05:55:00 pm
They didn't have to takeoff either :>

Quote from: Zarkov;1266066
Quote from: mattnz;1266052
I think you missed my point entirely, as I can't seem to decipher your reply. The interviewee is saying he was experienced compared to someone who had only read the aircraft manual.

I don't think you understood my explanation at all.

What I was saying is that slipping an aircraft in that situation was probably inadvertent, regardless of the experience of the pilot.

So it was chance? Like it says in the original passage that you quoted. Probably why I missed your point, I assumed you were alluding to a scenario not covered in the passage.
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Post by: Zarkov on May 16, 2010, 05:57:43 pm
Quote from: mattnz;1266090
They didn't have to takeoff either :>

Quote from: Zarkov;1266066
Quote from: mattnz;1266052
I think you missed my point entirely, as I can't seem to decipher your reply. The interviewee is saying he was experienced compared to someone who had only read the aircraft manual.

I don't think you understood my explanation at all.

What I was saying is that slipping an aircraft in that situation was probably inadvertent, regardless of the experience of the pilot.

So it was chance? Like it says in the original passage that you quoted. Probably why I missed your point.

Yes.

Most of the whole 911 thing was chance.

Bin Laden was more surprised than I was when the buildings fell down.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: TofuEater on May 16, 2010, 09:56:41 pm
Quote from: SteddieEddie;1265976

So you don't need a cast of thousands to carry this out.
Of course you do. There's no way you could truck a few tonnes of explosives into a building without anyone knowing about it. That's where the conspiracy falls down very quickly - there would be someone, somewhere who knows about it, if it occurred. And at some point, one (and it only takes ONE) person to have a crisis of conscience and decide to spill the beans.

And don't give me the bollocks about them being popped off if they tried to tell the world, because the moment that happened the rest of them would spill the beans because they would know that's the only way they would ensure they stayed alive.

Want further proof? Read up on some game theory sometime to figure out the scenario. The consipiracy theory doesn't fit any game theory, so therefore it cannot exist. :P
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Post by: TofuEater on May 16, 2010, 10:05:19 pm
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Those aircraft were probably flying on autopilot and had the Flight Management Computer programmed. Knowing how to disengage that and reprogramme it to get from where they were to where they wanted to go would have been the most difficult thing.

Um, this is wrong. Disconnecting an autopilot and FMC on a Boeing aircraft is piss easy - there is a kill switch on the control yolk. Push that and you instantly have total control. It would be the first thing taught to any anyone who is being trained on type.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: mattnz on May 16, 2010, 11:02:59 pm
He's probably talking more about the reprogramming it part.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: TofuEater on May 16, 2010, 11:35:01 pm
You don't have to "reprogram" it. The FMC has a number of components - all of which are designed to ease the workload of the pilot. For instance, you can engage auto-throttles, which will ensure that your speed is maintained correctly. From there, you can use a vector heading on the "bug" to ensure that you fly in a straight line. You can also set an altitude hold to ensure that you stay at a pre-determined height.

I would doubt very much that the hijackers "programmed" the FMC at all. There wouldn't have been much point. They probably got the real pilots to fly them over/near NYC and then took over to complete the last manoeuvre into the Twin Towers. All of which blows another component of the conspiracy theory out of the water.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pyromanik on May 16, 2010, 11:43:58 pm
They didn't actually hit the twin towers. They flew into a vortex forced open by a US government super secret agency that gathers alien technology and tests it for human use. The plane was a perfect test, giving them the excuse to let off the bombs.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: SteddieEddie on May 17, 2010, 08:05:59 am
Quote from: TofuEater;1266164
Quote from: SteddieEddie;1265976

So you don't need a cast of thousands to carry this out.

Of course you do. There's no way you could truck a few tonnes of explosives into a building without anyone knowing about it. That's where the conspiracy falls down very quickly - there would be someone, somewhere who knows about it, if it occurred. And at some point, one (and it only takes ONE) person to have a crisis of conscience and decide to spill the beans.

And don't give me the bollocks about them being popped off if they tried to tell the world, because the moment that happened the rest of them would spill the beans because they would know that's the only way they would ensure they stayed alive.

Want further proof? Read up on some game theory sometime to figure out the scenario. The consipiracy theory doesn't fit any game theory, so therefore it cannot exist. :P


No you dont', they found traces of nanothermite at ground zero, this was before they quickly shipped all the remaining steel to India before it could be analysed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano-thermite

Then you would just have to pose as a maintenance crew and set it during the wee hours

As for the planes, I must of remembered wrongly the difficulty of flying them into the buildings, forgive me it has been quite a few years since I read up on this stuff. Maybe what I remembered was they, the pilots, were surprised how well they struck the buildings. Anyway that is a small matter, we all saw them hit them.

I am only posting because lots of people here seem to think it is a huge conspiracy involving thousands.

I don't believe that  
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on May 17, 2010, 08:36:44 am
But still.

If the CIA figured out some arabs were going to crash planes into the world trade centre, why would they go to the trouble of planting explosives?

Arabs crashing planes into WTC is enough reason to go to war.

Doesn't matter if they fall down or not.

Therefore that theory clearly fails.



The only somewhat plausible theory would be that some bigwigs new about the plot but decided to do nothing about it.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: SteddieEddie on May 17, 2010, 09:11:46 am
Possibly you're right.

It does seem odd, but maybe they thought it needed to be more spectacular and a few more deaths to get the public to go along with invading Iraq. Afghanistan no worries.

There is also the homeland security bill, the public needed to be very scared to go along with that
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Post by: mattnz on May 17, 2010, 09:17:42 am
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
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Post by: swindle on May 17, 2010, 10:47:04 am
lol

I feel dumb. I use a gas axe all the time, makes steel look just like that...
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Post by: SteddieEddie on May 17, 2010, 02:02:49 pm
Quote from: mattnz;1266308
[url]http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm[/url]


OK so your link is about debunking some photo's that some people think shows thermite was the cause.

What about all the scientific evidence that showed traces of thermite in the soil, debris etc

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosives_evidence_timeline.html

We could go back and forth linking sites which prove the point we are trying to show all day.

Matt aren't you a civil engineer? If so could you explain to me why building 7 went into free fall from apparently the rubble of the twin towers hitting it, when the other buildings around it stayed up. To me, when I saw that footage I started to think, hang on I'm no engineer but that doesn't make sense. Then naturally I began to wonder about the rest of it.  
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: mattnz on May 17, 2010, 02:27:40 pm
We could indeed http://www.911myths.com/html/traces_of_thermate_at_the_wtc.html

I am a software engineer, so not really :-P, but from Wiki the collapse looks to be consistent with the damage the building received, which was mainly to the lower middle face.

Also that video of the collapse doesn't show the massive fire that was going on on the other side of the building.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: mattnz on May 17, 2010, 02:50:07 pm
This is probably more convincing to most people:

[video]yiRIdlb88tg[/video]
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: liquidpain on May 21, 2010, 06:33:38 pm
The truth is out there...
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_43KLeLCgREE/Re07DtOBlKI/AAAAAAAAADY/Wpj2IGmjAyQ/s400/aliens.jpg)

When will we make contact?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 23, 2010, 08:24:43 am
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll47/Ngati_Grim/431-33-bbw-big.jpg)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 23, 2010, 01:13:50 pm
Well of course alien lizards run the planet.

I've known that for years.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on June 08, 2010, 05:23:51 pm
http://www.paulreallyisdead.com/aboutthefilm.html (http://www.paulreallyisdead.com/aboutthefilm.html)

(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll47/Ngati_Grim/boxrenders.jpg)

Hmmm, should be interesting ;)
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Post by: Bell on June 08, 2010, 06:04:40 pm
haha oh god.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Dr Woomanchu on June 08, 2010, 06:29:59 pm
to prevent the mass suicide of fans.......

O

M

F

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Post by: Ngati_Grim on June 08, 2010, 07:14:04 pm
On the surface it may seem bizarre and outlandish, but when you actually look into it it still appears bizarre and outlandish...but there are notable physical differences... ;)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: doberman-08 on June 08, 2010, 07:17:19 pm
Bahahahahahaha good one Grim :lol: thats classic
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: mattnz on June 08, 2010, 08:06:44 pm
What, pray tell, is the supposed motivation behind not just telling everyone that Paul is dead, and replacing him?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Retardobot on June 08, 2010, 08:29:35 pm
Quote from: mattnz;1275645
What, pray tell, is the supposed motivation behind not just telling everyone that Paul is dead, and replacing him?

According to the people in charge, it would of caused mass suicides amongst fans.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on June 08, 2010, 09:02:53 pm
This site appears to be more for your kind ;)

http://www.america.gov/conspiracy_theories.html (http://www.america.gov/conspiracy_theories.html)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: liquidpain on June 09, 2010, 01:00:55 pm
so they replaced him with a double to prevent a few thousands, if that, fans from committing mass suicide? I don't know enough of the beetles to make any comments.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: liquidpain on June 09, 2010, 07:04:06 pm


(http://911truthaustralia.com/images/illuminati%20cards.jpg)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on June 11, 2010, 01:24:14 pm
A New Study of the Seismic Signals on September 11, 2001 in New York

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/209899-A-New-Study-of-the-Seismic-Signals-on-September-11-2001-in-New-York (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/209899-A-New-Study-of-the-Seismic-Signals-on-September-11-2001-in-New-York)

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Seismologists are puzzled in their analysis of signals recorded at this time, as the contradictions are significant. They are particularly intrigued by the presence of seismic "peaks" before the collapses (see figure 4). This text focuses on the study of seismic signals and aims to demonstrate that consistency only appears once we leave the official version of events. It gives rise to a new interpretation that renders the assertions of the "official version" null and void.


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(*) André Rousseau, Docteur d'État, is a retired researcher at CNRS where he studied the relations between the characteristics of progressive mechanical waves and geology. He published numerous peer-reviewed articles on geophysics and participated in numerous conferences, including selection committees. In this article he puts forward evidence that the seismic waves recorded on September 11, 2001 in New York are the result of subterranean and subaerial explosions that were part of the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers and WTC7.


Will be great to see the qualified seismologists/geophysicists here refute these findings :P

[video]SS077O8MA6g[/video]
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Scunner on June 11, 2010, 04:39:04 pm
How many other qualified seismologists/geophysicists have come to the same conclusions as he has using the same evidence? And how many have different conclusions?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Dr Woomanchu on June 11, 2010, 05:54:56 pm
the raw data must be generally available. Seismographs are everywhere. Should be a matter of simplicity to publish a very clear cut document showing seismic activity from controlled demolitions of skyscrapers, which happen regularly, and comparing it to data from the day in question

Controlled demolitions use a precise sequence of detonations. You could probably even get a company who does them to provide the pattern they would use for buildings like the twin towers and see the match.

This is actually a very good point raised and should remove any need for a conspiracy theory as these tests would easily provide pretty clear proof the buildings were felled by controlled demolitions
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on June 15, 2010, 09:11:43 am
Where can I download that brain song.

It has hypnotized me with its awesomeness.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on August 23, 2010, 12:26:16 pm
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/08/13/nila-sagadevan-911-the-impossibility-of-flying-heavy-aircraft-without-training/ (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/08/13/nila-sagadevan-911-the-impossibility-of-flying-heavy-aircraft-without-training/)

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Let it suffice to say that it is physically impossible to fly a 200,000-lb airliner 20 feet above the ground at 400 MPH.

The author, a pilot and aeronautical engineer, challenges any pilot in the world to do so in any large high-speed aircraft that has a relatively low wing-loading (such as a commercial jet). I.e., to fly the craft at 400 MPH, 20 feet above ground in a flat trajectory over a distance of one mile.

Why the stipulation of 20 feet and a mile? There were several street light poles located up to a mile away from the Pentagon that were snapped-off by the incoming aircraft; this suggests a low, flat trajectory during the final pre-impact approach phase. Further, it is known that the craft impacted the Pentagon’s ground floor. For purposes of reference: If a 757 were placed on the ground on its engine nacelles (I.e., gear retracted as in flight profile), its nose would be about fifteen feet above the ground. Ergo, for the aircraft to impact the ground floor of the Pentagon, Hanjour would have needed to have flown in with the engines buried in the Pentagon lawn. Some pilot...........The author recently received a letter from a senior 757 captain currently flying with one of the airlines involved in 9/11. It contains the following statement:

“Regarding your comments on flight simulators, several of my colleagues and I have tried to simulate the ‘hijacker’s’ final approach maneuvers into the towers on our company 767 simulator. We tried repeated tight, steeply banked 180 turns at 500 mph followed by a fast rollout and lineup with a tall building. More than two-thirds of those who attempted the maneuver failed to make a ‘hit’. How these rookies who couldn’t fly a trainer pulled this off is beyond comprehension.”
 


No, this topic won't die. More and more there are people appearing saying things such as "Bush allowed it to happen"....not just any people, but congressmen and senators as well as pilots, engineers and architects.

Why does this matter?
If you have to ask, then you won't get it.

Pox Americana.

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: mattnz on August 23, 2010, 12:34:19 pm
So your cruise missile snapped all those light poles did it?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on August 23, 2010, 12:36:55 pm
Thanks for reading the article Matt.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on August 23, 2010, 12:40:08 pm
Quote from: mattnz;1301506
So your cruise missile snapped all those light poles did it?

no, no, no.

Those light poles had explosives strapped to them of course. All timed to go off in sequence.


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Post by: BerG on August 23, 2010, 12:46:23 pm
Quote
In fact, here’s what their flight instructors had to say about the aptitude of these budding aviators:
Mohammed Atta: “His attention span was zero.”
[url]http://www.willthomas.net/911/911_Commission_Hearing.htm[/url]
Khalid Al-Mihdhar: “We didn’t kick him out, but he didn’t live up to our standards.”
[url]http://100777.com/node/237[/url]
Marwan Al-Shehhi: “He was dropped because of his limited English and incompetence at the controls.”
[url]http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/9-11/9-11_hijackers_still_alive.htm[/url]
Salem Al-Hazmi: “We advised him to quit after two lessons.”
[url]http://www.willthomas.net/Books_Videos/911_Investigations_Stand_Down.htm[/url]
Hani Hanjour: “His English was horrible, and his mechanical skills were even worse. It was like he had hardly even ever driven a car. I’m still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon. He could not fly at all.”
[url]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hanjour.html[/url]


My Indian students used to be great at flying into buildings (or at least they would have, had I not taken over).

It was the straight & level they struggled with.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on August 23, 2010, 12:48:51 pm
Quote from: BerG;1301516
Quote
In fact, here’s what their flight instructors had to say about the aptitude of these budding aviators:
Mohammed Atta: “His attention span was zero.”
[url]http://www.willthomas.net/911/911_Commission_Hearing.htm[/url]
Khalid Al-Mihdhar: “We didn’t kick him out, but he didn’t live up to our standards.”
[url]http://100777.com/node/237[/url]
Marwan Al-Shehhi: “He was dropped because of his limited English and incompetence at the controls.”
[url]http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/9-11/9-11_hijackers_still_alive.htm[/url]
Salem Al-Hazmi: “We advised him to quit after two lessons.”
[url]http://www.willthomas.net/Books_Videos/911_Investigations_Stand_Down.htm[/url]
Hani Hanjour: “His English was horrible, and his mechanical skills were even worse. It was like he had hardly even ever driven a car. I’m still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon. He could not fly at all.”
[url]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hanjour.html[/url]


My Indian students used to be great at flying into buildings (or at least they would have, had I not taken over).

It was the straight & level they struggled with.


Indeed.

It's quite an amusing argument.
"These terrorists are useless at flying, there's no way they could crash a plane"
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: mattnz on August 23, 2010, 12:52:42 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1301508
Thanks for reading the article Matt.

Sorry, gets hard to keep up with what you believe sometimes.

So the authorities snapping the light poles in advance is what definitely happened?
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Post by: Dr Woomanchu on August 23, 2010, 01:09:10 pm
No, I think Spacemonkey had it, with the explosives strapped to each pole to go off in sequence
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on August 23, 2010, 01:10:12 pm
Quote from: mattnz;1301519
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1301508
Thanks for reading the article Matt.

Sorry, gets hard to keep up with what you believe sometimes.




You're telling me!

Quote from: mattnz;1301519
So the authorities snapping the light poles in advance is what definitely happened?

I honestly don't know, but since this thread is about conspiracies, sure, why not?

;)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: mattnz on August 23, 2010, 01:12:36 pm
Because that's involving a more people in top secret treason, when it is unlikely that afterwards people would have asked, "Hey, why aren't there any snapped lightposts?", or something?
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Post by: Dr Woomanchu on August 23, 2010, 01:15:12 pm
Don;t go introducing rationality to conspiracy theories...nub
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on August 23, 2010, 01:25:13 pm
It's irrational to think that 'Arab' terrorists did it, when one investigates the events.
I can quite happily accept MOSSAD involvement however.....an upscale version of the USS Liberty.
;)

It's a thirty year conspiracy...Senator Bob Kerrey.

But then, it must be 'nice' living in a conspiracy-free world, huh?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on August 23, 2010, 01:31:21 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1301547
It's irrational to think that 'Arab' terrorists did it, when one investigates the events.

Why is it irrational?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bell on August 23, 2010, 01:38:58 pm
Because it's irrational to believe conclusions based on inquires launched by democratic governments.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on August 23, 2010, 01:53:27 pm
Especially when they're not Democratic but rather economic oligarchies ;)


Alright then, what about the JFK assassination....conspiracy?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pyromanik on August 23, 2010, 02:03:55 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Spoonguard on August 23, 2010, 06:09:58 pm
I think you truthers are missing the point. The conspiracy part of 911 is not the part that made it happen, but what happened afterward. Most of the hijackers where Saudis, yet nothing was done about the theocratic dystopia which raises these young men, oviously a US ally only for business concerns. Instead we get a Iraq war twelve years too late for any justifable reason or hope of a positive outcome. Also the enduring conpiracy that it could not have been foreseen - it was and was lost in the incompetent miasma that is the US intelligance services.
The Bush administration didn't have to plan, cause or even not prevent 911 to exploit it as cynicly as they did. Truthers put too much stock in the Malice of that government and not enough in it's stupidity.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: -CowwieStyle- on August 23, 2010, 07:15:09 pm
Quote from: mattnz;1301540
Because that's involving a more people in top secret treason, when it is unlikely that afterwards people would have asked, "Hey, why aren't there any snapped lightposts?", or something?

Hell noam chomsky of all people doesn't even believe in it.

[video]LoDqDvbgeXM[/video]
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: liquidpain on August 23, 2010, 10:01:58 pm
They knew about it and let it happen. It all worked to their advantage. Bush received a memo saying that the terrorists were looking for targets to attack in New York and he did nothing. They probably wanted them to attack.

The collapse of the building, forget what its called, near ground zero actually covered up a lot of corporate corruption on a wide scale and delayed the crash till 2008.

Many companies also profited greatly from the disaster. In the heat of the news a lot of deals were signed and flew under the radar of the public. Things like health care contracts and security contracts.

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on August 23, 2010, 10:06:34 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1301547
It's irrational to think that 'Arab' terrorists did it, when one investigates the events.
I can quite happily accept MOSSAD involvement however.....an upscale version of the USS Liberty.
;)

It's a thirty year conspiracy...Senator Bob Kerrey.

But then, it must be 'nice' living in a conspiracy-free world, huh?

I do live in a conspiracy-free world.

It's your world that's irrational.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Spoonguard on August 24, 2010, 03:54:24 am
There are very real conspiracys, but they are also very boring and mundane compared to the imagined ones. For instance, compare the Gulf of Tonkin incident to ZOG planning WWII.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on August 24, 2010, 04:51:16 am
Quote from: liquidpain;1301717
Bush received a memo saying that the terrorists were looking for targets to attack in New York and he did nothing.

He recieved a memo?

So no phone call, no urgent meeting with key intelligence officials, just a memo? Perhaps it fell off his desk and he didn't see it?

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The collapse of the building, forget what its called

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Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on August 24, 2010, 07:41:28 am
Quote from: Zarkov;1301720



I do live in a conspiracy-free world.

It's your world that's irrational.
[/quote]

We can agree to disagree on this.

So you think that all the rhetoric from Israel and the United States regarding the Iranian pursuit of nuclear weapons is bang on even though Russia and more importantly the IAEA disagree with them?
You don't harbour the possibility that it might be to do with Iran switching from the Greenback to the Euro for the Iranian Oil Bourse?
Oh well.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on August 26, 2010, 07:41:05 am
Hmmm, things are getting interesting:

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/CIA_Red_Cell_Memorandum_on_United_States_%22exporting_terrorism%22,_2_Feb_2010 (http://wikileaks.org/wiki/CIA_Red_Cell_Memorandum_on_United_States_%22exporting_terrorism%22,_2_Feb_2010)

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This CIA "Red Cell" report from February 2, 2010, looks at what will happen if it is internationally understood that the United States is an exporter of terrorism; 'Contrary to common belief, the American export of terrorism or terrorists is not a recent phenomenon, nor has it been associated only with Islamic radicals or people of Middle Eastern, African or South Asian ethnic origin. This dynamic belies the American belief that our free, open and integrated multicultural society lessens the allure of radicalism and terrorism for US citizens.' The report looks at a number cases of US exported terrorism, including attacks by US based or financed Jewish, Muslim and Irish-nationalism terrorists. It concludes that foreign perceptions of the US as an "Exporter of Terrorism" together with US double standards in international law, may lead to noncooperation in renditions (including the arrest of CIA officers) and the decision to not share terrorism related intelligence with the United States.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on August 31, 2010, 10:36:01 am
Money as a weapon:

http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/call/docs/09-27/09-27.pdf (http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/call/docs/09-27/09-27.pdf)

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Foreword
This Center for Army Lessons Learned (CALL) handbook assists company-, battalion-,
and brigade-level officers and noncommissioned officers to effectively use money as a
weapons system on the counterinsurgency (COIN) battlefield. Coalition money is defeating
COIN targets without creating collateral damage, by motivating antigovernment forces to
cease lethal and nonlethal operations, by creating and providing jobs along with other
forms of financial assistance to the indigenous population, and by restoring or creating vital
infrastructure. Money also funds other tools of war.
Key lessons:
• Money is a valuable weapons system.
• Money and contracting in a COIN environment are vital elements of combat power.
• Leaders must leverage money and contracting in operations.
• Leaders must understand funding programs and contracting.
• Brigades often lack internal resource management expertise and knowledge of
funding.
• Financial management administrative requirements in a combat environment can be
extremely burdensome but are necessary for good stewardship.
• Financial management expertise and knowledge of funding are critical to successful
operations.
• Without proactive leadership involvement, the potential for extensive fraud, waste,
and abuse of funds exists in the COIN environment.
This handbook is a guide and addresses some of the most common funds available to
warfighters. Since policies, procedures, and guidelines change as do sources and amounts
of funds available to fund warfighters, obtain the latest funding information from the
supporting resource manager before taking action to fund warfighters.
i
COMMANDER'S GUIDE TO MAAWS HANDBOOK
Approved for Public Release
Distribution Unlimited
T. A. Clay
Colonel, Finance Corps
Commandant
U.S. Army Financial Management School


http://cryptome.org/0002/tg-839-840.htm (http://cryptome.org/0002/tg-839-840.htm)

http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/tg839.htm (http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/tg839.htm)

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bell on August 31, 2010, 10:55:21 am
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1302514
Hmmm, things are getting interesting:

[url]http://wikileaks.org/wiki/CIA_Red_Cell_Memorandum_on_United_States_%22exporting_terrorism%22,_2_Feb_2010[/url] ([url]http://wikileaks.org/wiki/CIA_Red_Cell_Memorandum_on_United_States_%22exporting_terrorism%22,_2_Feb_2010[/url])

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This CIA "Red Cell" report from February 2, 2010, looks at what will happen if it is internationally understood that the United States is an exporter of terrorism; 'Contrary to common belief, the American export of terrorism or terrorists is not a recent phenomenon, nor has it been associated only with Islamic radicals or people of Middle Eastern, African or South Asian ethnic origin. This dynamic belies the American belief that our free, open and integrated multicultural society lessens the allure of radicalism and terrorism for US citizens.' The report looks at a number cases of US exported terrorism, including attacks by US based or financed Jewish, Muslim and Irish-nationalism terrorists. It concludes that foreign perceptions of the US as an "Exporter of Terrorism" together with US double standards in international law, may lead to noncooperation in renditions (including the arrest of CIA officers) and the decision to not share terrorism related intelligence with the United States.



Without trying to sound too rude, I don't see this as new enlightening information, it's well known that the CIA has and continues to fund certain groups to do their dirty work.
I don't see that as being a conspiracy, it's more like common practice for countries with intelligence agencies.
I bet even the NZ government has put money into something like that at some point.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on August 31, 2010, 10:55:39 am
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by motivating antigovernment forces to
cease lethal and nonlethal operations, by creating and providing jobs along with other
forms of financial assistance to the indigenous population,

Sounds pretty cool to me.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on August 31, 2010, 11:52:52 am
Quote from: Bell;1304242

I don't see that as being a conspiracy

That's quite fine, you decided :P
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on August 31, 2010, 12:00:10 pm
It seams the argument is more the definition of conspiracy, as opposed to what is actually a conspiracy and what is not.

We all know governments have many secrets, and because that's my normal view of things, I wouldn't call it a conspiracy.

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bell on August 31, 2010, 12:08:40 pm
from wiki
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Conspiracy theory is a term that originally was a neutral descriptor for any claim of civil, criminal, or political conspiracy. However, it has become largely pejorative and used almost exclusively to refer to any fringe theory which explains an historical or current event as the result of a secret plot by conspirators of almost superhuman power and cunning

If we are talking about the word conspiracy in the traditional sense then yes I guess CIA involvement in trying to overthrow governments the US doesn't like are sizable conspiracies.

But since we are talking about stuff like moon landings and 9/11 and shit I don't think we are talking about those sorta things
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pyromanik on August 31, 2010, 12:14:48 pm
Quote from: Bell;1304272
If we are talking about the word conspiracy in the traditional sense then yes I guess CIA involvement

Technically, maybe.
But I'm with you.

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in trying to overthrow governments the US doesn't like are sizable conspiracies.

Vietnam was pretty public knowledge at the time... I wouldn't call it a conspiracy ;)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: nick247 on August 31, 2010, 05:09:36 pm
yeah i have to agree with bell here, the CIA has a long history of supporting regime changes using groups that are, by function, terrorists (and some they supported who have continued to be terrorists to this day)

hardly what i would consider a conspiracy

The bigger the conspiracy the more likely someone somewhere will have a change of heart and rat everyone out. Dont believe what you see in the movies...the US doesnt have the power to go around killing all possible "informants" on these conspiracies

I think you have too much a hardon for the US government that you see in the movies with all these unnamed soldiers organised by shadowy government officials going around killing US civilians in public shootouts


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pyromanik on August 31, 2010, 08:27:20 pm
But, that's what makes the movie interesting!
How dare you take all the fun out of real life!
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on September 03, 2010, 10:09:35 am
http://www.takeourworldback.com/itwasntmuslims.htm (http://www.takeourworldback.com/itwasntmuslims.htm)

Awesome site...copious links....go for gold!

;)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on September 03, 2010, 10:32:58 am
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1305410
[url]http://www.takeourworldback.com/itwasntmuslims.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.takeourworldback.com/itwasntmuslims.htm[/url])

Awesome site...copious links....go for gold!

;)


That's a horrible article to read, starting every paragraph with 'It wasn't Muslims', how can someone with such shit writing skills expect to be taken seriously?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on September 03, 2010, 10:33:56 am
So it was all done by extremely intelligent Israelians who managed to plan and carry it out, put the blame on Bin Laden, but then have the stupidity to be dancing on the street while the towers collapsed, getting themselves arrested?

And most of those links are stupid. They either point to other conspiracy websites, or news websites (the article itself says not to trust the news). Some of the websites it links to are articles from Fox News, lol.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on September 03, 2010, 10:42:03 am
The first article on Active Thermitic Material was interesting through, however it certainty doesn't "prove beyond doubt" that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolitions.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on September 03, 2010, 01:31:53 pm
It's good, you're deciding ;)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on September 03, 2010, 06:56:55 pm
http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2010/08/ufo-are-real-ben-rich-lockheed-skunk.html (http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2010/08/ufo-are-real-ben-rich-lockheed-skunk.html)


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According to article published in May 2010 issue of the Mufon UFO Journal - Ben Rich, the “Father of the Stealth Fighter-Bomber” and former head of Lockheed Skunk Works,had once let out information about Extraterrestrial UFO Visitors Are Real And U.S. Military Travel To Stars..........What he said might be new to many people today, but he revealed the information before his death in January 1995. His statements helped to give credence to reports that the U.S. military has been flying vehicles that mimic alien craft.

The article was written by Tom Keller, an aerospace engineer who has worked as a computer systems analyst for NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

NUGGET ONE: “Inside the Skunk Works (Lockheed’s secret research and development entity), we were a small, intensely cohesive group consisting of about fifty veteran engineers and designers and a hundred or so expert machinists and shop workers. Our forte was building technologically advanced airplanes of small number and of high class for highly secret missions.”

NUGGET TWO: “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.”


Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on September 03, 2010, 07:42:20 pm
Thats pretty cool.
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Post by: doberman-08 on September 03, 2010, 08:17:19 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1305646
[url]http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2010/08/ufo-are-real-ben-rich-lockheed-skunk.html[/url] ([url]http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2010/08/ufo-are-real-ben-rich-lockheed-skunk.html[/url])


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According to article published in May 2010 issue of the Mufon UFO Journal - Ben Rich, the “Father of the Stealth Fighter-Bomber” and former head of Lockheed Skunk Works,had once let out information about Extraterrestrial UFO Visitors Are Real And U.S. Military Travel To Stars..........What he said might be new to many people today, but he revealed the information before his death in January 1995. His statements helped to give credence to reports that the U.S. military has been flying vehicles that mimic alien craft.

The article was written by Tom Keller, an aerospace engineer who has worked as a computer systems analyst for NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

NUGGET ONE: “Inside the Skunk Works (Lockheed’s secret research and development entity), we were a small, intensely cohesive group consisting of about fifty veteran engineers and designers and a hundred or so expert machinists and shop workers. Our forte was building technologically advanced airplanes of small number and of high class for highly secret missions.”

NUGGET TWO: “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.”

:blink: :lol: not bad Grim not bad
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on September 03, 2010, 08:42:35 pm
...of course, against the 'acid test' of Paul McCartney dying in 1966, it pales.... ;)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: liquidpain on September 03, 2010, 08:58:27 pm
why is america so special?
why dont nz get any cool spacecrafts landing and giving us awesome gravity boots and phaser guns and photon torpedoes?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on September 03, 2010, 09:09:20 pm
Economy of Scale...plus there's always Bruce Cathie.....


and:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=182136&id=100000780600969&fbid=142485622454124&ref=mf (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=182136&id=100000780600969&fbid=142485622454124&ref=mf)


...yet Ben has never been done for libel....
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on November 16, 2010, 09:47:20 am
http://www.abeldanger.net/ (http://www.abeldanger.net/)

Oh fuck YES!

 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on November 16, 2010, 09:57:49 am
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1332049
[url]http://www.abeldanger.net/[/url] ([url]http://www.abeldanger.net/[/url])

Oh fuck YES!

 :thumbup:


Why do Conspiracy Theorists have such badly designed websites?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on November 16, 2010, 10:05:38 am
http://thetruthbehindthescenes.wordpress.com/2010/11/11/chinese-emp-attack-prompts-us-missile-strike-after-cruise-ship-crippled/ (http://thetruthbehindthescenes.wordpress.com/2010/11/11/chinese-emp-attack-prompts-us-missile-strike-after-cruise-ship-crippled/)

Oh HELL yes!


 :drool:

I don't know SM...but not ALL o them do. I guess they're too busy fighting aliens in underground bases while trying to direct missiles into buildings using laser holographic time-shifting alternative reality software reverse engineered from the NAZI Vril and Haunebu aircraft from the base on the dark side of the moon?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on November 16, 2010, 10:12:35 am
Oh God Ngati, I need to get some work done, and I can read sites like the ones you've been posting all day.

Love to hear what the intellectually charged, and seriously paranoid denizens of the hallowed GetSome boards think of two of my favorite conspiracies;

H.A.A.R.P.


and Chemtrails...
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bell on November 16, 2010, 10:16:06 am
Oh god, that 'missile' launch thing was so retarded.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on November 16, 2010, 10:31:27 am
Haha, they're *cough* brilliant...um... entertainment aye!

HAARP
Chemtrails.

No time now, will get back to you. Personally I don't think HAARP is nefarious, but I know some who do (Whodoo? You do. Do what? Remind me of a man)...
Chemtrails I'm not sure about mainly because I haven't really looked into them...I've been spending more time on finding out who replaced Paul McCartney and where the missiles for 9/11 came from ;)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on November 16, 2010, 10:43:04 am
I'm kind of reluctant to admit it in public, but I think HAARP is very, very bad news. Like a lot of things it all comes down to scale. We live on a small planet that could theoretically be manipulated quite easily.

Tesla is coming back to bite us my friends!

Can't say that chemtrails weigh too heavily on my mind, but again, in our relatively small landscape, an idea like that could be easily implemented.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Wandarah on November 16, 2010, 11:01:03 am
There just isn't enough facepalm.gifs in all the world...
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on November 16, 2010, 11:04:31 am
My point isn't that these things are in current application, but the ease of implementation.

And there are innumerable facepalms my friend.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on November 16, 2010, 11:21:36 am
Quote from: Wandarah;1332065
There just isn't (sic) enough facepalm.gifs in all the world...


I'll pass you an Aunt. :P

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/ (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/)

Bloody Hell!
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on November 16, 2010, 11:33:27 am
Oh crikey!

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=johnlear&action=display&thread=1633 (http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=johnlear&action=display&thread=1633)

So anyway, John Lear is the scion of the original Lear Jet founder. Just goes to show that unlimited fortune does not make one idle ;)

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So there are several ideas of how the moon came into existence; mine is that it a large space ship, towed from solar system to solar system with its prime mission to help jump start lesser advanced civilizations, spending many thousands and thousands of years in secret manipulations and stimulations, until that lesser civilization can continue on their own, then moving to another solar system.

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on November 16, 2010, 11:55:08 am
Quote

There is a civilization of human beings who live on the Moon. This is the biggest and best kept secret on earth.

The nearside of the Moon, which is the side that faces earth, appears to be a desolate and unoccupied.

The farside of the moon, which also has a breathable atmosphere also has lakes, rivers, forests, snow-capped mountains and life as we know it here on earth.

Most of mankinds misconceptions about the moon have been carefully and systematically fed to us over thousands of years.
Oh crikey is right.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: vedds on November 16, 2010, 12:05:00 pm
If there is life as we know it on the moon, im disgusted its being kept secret from us...

Imagine how far BMac could slot a six over midwicket in an NZ vs the Moon 20/20 match with that gravity....:P
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on November 16, 2010, 12:10:23 pm
Well, according to Mr. Lear, gravity on the moon is in fact 2/3 of ours on earth, so not as far as you might think.
And since the moon people have generated their own gravity field on the far side, probably only as far as he can here.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on November 16, 2010, 12:15:14 pm
It's compelling, in that he obviously is passionate about this topic and has been for at least the eight years I have been reading his posts (periodically....great entertainment!) and there are some wonderful images.
Him, Zorgon, and Mike Singh are three 'amigos' who continue propagating this sort of stuff. they have put in an immense amount of work.
Doesn't make it real, but is an interesting read at times.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bell on November 16, 2010, 12:25:19 pm
It makes me sad that they have put so much effort into nothingness.
Sorta how I feel about nuns.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on November 16, 2010, 12:56:58 pm
Don't sweat it too much Bell...they seem happy enough!
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on November 16, 2010, 01:02:35 pm
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread564758/pg1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread564758/pg1)

All Roads Lead To Rome.

Wow!
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on November 16, 2010, 01:09:57 pm
Dun dun dun!

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread629621/pg1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread629621/pg1)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Speakman on November 16, 2010, 01:11:20 pm
i love this thread
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on November 16, 2010, 01:14:02 pm
Just shaking it up Jonty.

There are some...uh...amazing minds out there! ;)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Speakman on November 16, 2010, 01:20:55 pm
definately

makes for great reading. better than the crap forced to us
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on November 17, 2010, 08:12:48 am
Imagine if the 'missile launch' photo (which to me appears to be a perfectly normal jet aircraft vapour trail seen on many sunny days) was taken on 9/11?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Wandarah on November 17, 2010, 09:50:44 am
Quote from: Daddy Clin;1332068
My point isn't that these things are in current application, but the ease of implementation.

And there are innumerable facepalms my friend.


Not enough.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on November 17, 2010, 09:56:47 am
State your case, sir, that I may be sure you are not simply a bandwagon jumper.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on November 17, 2010, 09:58:00 am
I heard this conspiracy where there are these alien robots living amount us and disguise themselves as vehicles. The whole thing is covered up by the government.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on November 17, 2010, 10:11:40 am
My camaro says thats bullshit.


 WIN
\/ \/ \/
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Optimus Prime on November 17, 2010, 11:00:04 am
Yeah, I agree. That seems a bit far-fetched.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Speakman on November 17, 2010, 12:33:24 pm
i heard this conspiracy where we all got tired of walking around and doing stuff, so we all got robots built to our individual likeness and controlled them from our homes




the world was crime free, but Bruce Willis still suspected something...
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on November 17, 2010, 12:39:31 pm
Bruce Willis always suspects something, he's the most crazy conspiracy theorist there is.

Along with Will Smith, who also suspects something is wrong with the robots. He also suspects there is a large secret organisation covering up the existence of aliens.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Agent J on November 17, 2010, 12:53:13 pm
Quote from: Spacemonkey;1332530
Along with Will Smith, who also suspects something is wrong with the robots. He also suspects there is a large secret organisation covering up the existence of aliens.

This is incorrect.

There is no such thing as a large secret organisation covering up the existence of aliens.

Please, move along.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on November 17, 2010, 12:57:52 pm
Suspicion is one thing, but it takes a man like Geoff Goldblum to actually fly up to that bitch, connect to the mothership WITH HIS LAPTOP, INTERFACE WITH THE ALIEN TECHNOLOGY INFECTING IT WITH A VIRUS THAT NOT EVEN SPACENORTON CAN QUARANTINE, ALLOWING HARRY CONNICK JNR TO BLOW UP THE INVADING FORCE WITH A BAND OF FIGHTER JETS INVENTED IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES.

But yeah. Suspicion is cool.

I love you Geoff.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on November 17, 2010, 01:04:42 pm
It just goes to show that our computing technology came from the Aliens in the first place!
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: mattnz on November 17, 2010, 01:12:08 pm
(http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-graphs-id4-macbooks-alien-motherships.gif)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Agent J on November 17, 2010, 01:22:50 pm
Apple technology is not derived from the remains of a crash in Roswell that didn't happen in 1947.


Neither is Steve Jobs an alien.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Speakman on November 17, 2010, 01:25:15 pm
if steve jobs was an alien, does that make Aids an alien infection?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: nick247 on November 17, 2010, 03:05:14 pm
Quote from: Spacemonkey;1332460
I heard this conspiracy where there are these alien robots living amount us and disguise themselves as vehicles. The whole thing is covered up by the government.

and when you die you go to robot heaven

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Post by: Bell on November 17, 2010, 03:28:32 pm
and college students regularly setup stalls on university grounds and sell pot to strangers.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on November 19, 2010, 11:58:23 am
http://www.news.com.au/technology/hitler-planned-to-invade-uk-with-ufos/story-e6frfro0-1225956043643 (http://www.news.com.au/technology/hitler-planned-to-invade-uk-with-ufos/story-e6frfro0-1225956043643)

Nazi UFOs.

0.o
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Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on November 19, 2010, 12:08:20 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1333264
[url]http://www.news.com.au/technology/hitler-planned-to-invade-uk-with-ufos/story-e6frfro0-1225956043643[/url] ([url]http://www.news.com.au/technology/hitler-planned-to-invade-uk-with-ufos/story-e6frfro0-1225956043643[/url])

Nazi UFOs.

0.o


Nazi UFO's are far more plausible then alien spacecraft.

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on November 19, 2010, 12:54:25 pm
Oh, those zany Nazi's...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/P1500_Monster.gif)
(http://www.provehicles.co.uk/images/biggest_tanks/tank_compare_r.jpg)
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Post by: Ngati_Grim on November 19, 2010, 01:16:10 pm
http://www.palba.cz/viewtopic.php?t=726 (http://www.palba.cz/viewtopic.php?t=726)

Yes, it's in Czech. Use the translator.

I wonder how much Tesla technology was used?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on December 02, 2010, 10:21:33 am
Not a conspiracy, but dovetails nicely into some theories!

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/secret-giant-planet-sun-companion-1011201.html (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/secret-giant-planet-sun-companion-1011201.html)

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Our sun may have a companion that disturbs comets from the edge of the solar system — a giant planet with up to four times the mass of Jupiter, researchers suggest.

A NASA space telescope launched last year may soon detect such a stealth companion to our sun, if it actually exists, in the distant icy realm of the comet-birthing Oort cloud, which surrounds our solar system with billions of icy objects.

The potential jumbo Jupiter would likely be a world so frigid it is difficult to spot, researchers said. It could be found up to 30,000 astronomical units from the sun. One AU is the distance between the Earth and the sun, about 93 million miles (150 million km).
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on December 02, 2010, 10:33:51 am
We only recently realised the Oort cloud was even there. I have no idea how plausable this "Jumbo Jupiter" is, but anything that far out won't be giving of any heat, nor reflecting any light, so /shrug.

As for the Nazi UFO's, did anyone finish watching the Nazi stealth plane doco on sky the other night?
I fell asleep on the couch. Did it pass the radar test?
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Post by: Ngati_Grim on December 02, 2010, 06:39:07 pm
^ No, I didn't. I don't. I darn't.

http://www.datelinezero.com/ (http://www.datelinezero.com/)

Well Fuck Me!

 :001_tt1:
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on December 14, 2010, 02:18:07 pm
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality.html (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality.html)

Oh hell yes!

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This web page will show how, and where NASA faked the lunar approach, lunar orbit, lunar landing, and lunar take off, for all the Apollo Moon landing video's. Contrary to what many believe, the sequences were not shot in a desert, Hollywood studio, or Area 51. There may have been the odd picture taken at Area 51, and a few Apollo pictures that were taken in some remote desert, but the majority of stills and video were performed at Langley Research Center, Hampton, Virginia. Scientist's at NASA knew in the early 60's that a manned mission to the Moon was impossible within 8 years, and a plan to fake the Moon landings was put into operation.


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/41Group_Lunar_FYEO/02files/FYEO_Training_01.html#Cinder (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/41Group_Lunar_FYEO/02files/FYEO_Training_01.html#Cinder)

Still, it doesn't really delve into the Secret Space Programme, NOT run by NASA.

Ah, here's a little: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/astrospies/ (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/astrospies/)

0.o
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Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on December 14, 2010, 02:37:11 pm
NASA faked King Kong! omg!
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Agent J on December 14, 2010, 03:40:08 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1341030
[url]http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality.html[/url] ([url]http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality.html[/url])

Oh hell yes!

[url]http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/41Group_Lunar_FYEO/02files/FYEO_Training_01.html#Cinder[/url] ([url]http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/41Group_Lunar_FYEO/02files/FYEO_Training_01.html#Cinder[/url])

Still, it doesn't really delve into the Secret Space Programme, NOT run by NASA.

Ah, here's a little: [url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/astrospies/[/url] ([url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/astrospies/[/url])

0.o


The moon landings were real.

I was on the moon ██████████████████████ discussing a contract with ██████████████ of planet ██████ XII when I saw the Apollo 11 land ██████████████. Sergent ██████ ordered a ██████████ over the top of ██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████ green fish eggs.
However ██████████ Jackson and Albert ████████████ Kennedy ██████ hologram in the form of a large ████████████ with large ███████████████████████████ and a large ███████████████████████████.
Purple ███████████████████████████ from my underpants ███████████████████████████ found in Roswell in 1975 which proved ████████████████████████████████████ donkey.

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Velocity. on December 14, 2010, 11:06:45 pm
A couple conspiracy theories for ya.

The newest threat to Freedom? Fusion Centers...g
http://www.rletc.com/showthread.php?3463-The-newest-threat-to-Freedom-Fusion-Centers...go-ahead-google-it...but-anonymously...

SERCO:_Company_Helping_Set_up_New_World_Order
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1/922/SERCO:_Company_Helping_Set_up_New_World_Order.html
Serco NWO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv_P2oLwhcY
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Velocity. on December 14, 2010, 11:10:37 pm
This is a recent conspiracy theory that someone keeps spamming on twitter

UNHACKweCAN UNHACKthePLANET
http://tinyurl.com/269hdtv POTENTIAL EVIDENCE linking #ASSANGE & #ANONYMOUS 9k+views&counting #WIKILEAKS #LEAKSPIN #CABLEGATE #PAYBACK hwrs
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Spork on February 08, 2011, 11:06:34 pm
Just for the hell of it.

I was doing some reading on Area 51, which then led me to South Aussie's own WPA (Woomera Prohibited Area) which you apparently are not allowed to take photos, make sketches or any maps of. (however you can see it on Google earth).

So I decided to look up on Google just to see why in the world they do not want any images of the area.

All of the Google image pages (at least four or five of them which looked interesting) were inaccessibly and Kaspersky was telling me that the pages are heavily infected.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Speakman on February 08, 2011, 11:21:42 pm
Interesting

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Woomera is an infamous and isolated Outback community established in 1947 for British rocket testing including nuclear tests. The town, located 485 km north of Adelaide, was a restricted area until 1982. The Woomera Protected Area still remains today and is one of the world’s largest land-based rocket ranges. There is also a sizeable population at nearby Nurrungar made up of US military personnel as part of the joint US-Aus Ground Station. The controversial refugee detention centre was relocated in 2003.


http://www.ozmobi.com.au/visitors/viewregion/woomera
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Spork on February 08, 2011, 11:50:15 pm
My dad used to be the Woomera bank manager before I was born.

Also in a probably not unrelated note, apparently there was quite an uproar caused by the fallout of tests held during the 60s.

I have been there, and the place re-minds me of the game Fallout, or more the game re-minds me of the place, arid land, and in the middle of it, a big rocket place and it has all these quirky looking display rockets.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on February 09, 2011, 04:28:48 am
Quote
Woomera is an infamous and isolated Outback community established in 1947 for British rocket testing including nuclear tests.

Quote from: Spork
My dad used to be the Woomera bank manager before I was born.

The plot thickens.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on February 09, 2011, 06:25:18 am
Quote from: BerG;1358488
The plot thickens.

Au contraire Berg.

That explains a few things.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: SteddieEddie on February 09, 2011, 06:58:19 am
Mutated spoons?
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on February 09, 2011, 08:26:40 am
Pine Gap, anyone?
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on February 09, 2011, 08:40:05 am
It makes sense to prohibit and area which gets rockets fired around it. That's not something you would want accidentally drive intro.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on February 09, 2011, 08:49:22 am
Spacemonkey is clearly part of the conspiracy.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Spork on February 09, 2011, 03:12:35 pm
Quote from: Spacemonkey;1358504
It makes sense to prohibit and area which gets rockets fired around it. That's not something you would want accidentally drive intro.

Yes, but you are not allowed to take photos or even make sketches of any part of the area.

Quote from: BerG;1358488
The plot thickens.

My dad was actually born in 1947. Same year that they started these tests. Perhaps he was created with the sole purpose of being the Woomera bank manager... Dun dun dunnnnn...............
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: nick247 on February 09, 2011, 05:09:52 pm
I would be more worried about how the retarded sperm has effected you
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Spork on February 09, 2011, 05:13:12 pm
Quote from: nick247;1358643
I would be more worried about how the retarded sperm has effected you

Coming from a guy with the number 47 in it, of course you are trying to detract from the main theory here.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on February 09, 2011, 05:23:09 pm
Quote from: nick247;1358643
I would be more worried about how the retarded sperm has effected you

You didn't realise that Sporks avatar is actually a photo of himself?
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: nick247 on February 09, 2011, 06:14:10 pm
Quote from: Spork;1358644
Coming from a guy with the number 47 in it, of course you are trying to detract from the main theory here.


He is getting too close to the truth, he needs to be silenced
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on February 11, 2011, 09:44:55 am
http://noblelie.com/2009/03/10/gmo-population-control-spermicidal-corn

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A small California biotech company, Epicyte, in 2001 announced the development of genetically engineered corn which contained a spermicide which made the semen of men who ate it sterile.


http://www.alternet.org/story/18154/

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/06/11/18650455.php

Thought some of you might appreciate this guys site: http://www.cheeseslave.com/2009/03/02/joel-salatin-on-spermicides-in-genetically-modified-crops/


I think I need a bigger vege garden....
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on February 11, 2011, 09:50:29 am
http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/romes-control-of-the-new-world-order-in-pictures/

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The international intelligence agencies have many Papal-loyal knights within them & many Jesuit-trained high-level operatives. William Donovan of the OSS, nicknamed the “Father of the CIA” was a Papal Knight of St Sylvester, William Casey was trained at Jesuit Fordham & George Tenet (9/11-era CIA Director) at Jesuit Georgetown, where he has since lectured. William Colby was renknowned as a hardline Roman Catholic & the FBI Director during 9/11 was the Roman Catholic Thomas J. Pickard. The masters that these men served are the Popes & the Jesuit Superior-Generals in Rome.


Great fun!

0.o
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on February 11, 2011, 11:03:12 am
Quote
capabilities of nsa operatives using rnm
There has been a Signals Intelligence network in the U.S. since the 1940′s. The NSA, Ft. Meade has in place a vast two-way wireless RNM system which is used to track subjects and non-invasively monitor audio-visual information in their brain. This is all done with no physical contact with the subject. RNM is the ultimate method of surveillance and domestic intelligence. Speech and 3D sound, and subliminal audio can be sent to the auditory cortex of the subject’s brain (bypassing the ears) and images can be sent into the visual cortex. RNM can alter a subject’s perceptions, moods, and motor control. Speech cortex/auditory cortex link has become the ultimate communications system for the intelligence community. RNM allows for a complete audio-visual brain-to-brain link or brain-to-computer link.


Guess they're not using the H.A.A.R.P. array for scalar weaponry purposes after all.

http://dillsnapcogitation.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/thought-policing-the-nsa-and-remote-neural-monotiring-rnm/
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on February 11, 2011, 11:28:57 am
Now, that's what I'm talking about.   Good find!

Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. 0.o

There are also similar facitlities to H.A.A.R.P. in  Norway, Russia, Australia and Southland, as well as ECHELON network stations (Southland, Waihopai, Tangimoana).
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on February 11, 2011, 11:31:57 am
If that were true that would be awesome. Being able to communicate with people directly from your brain.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on February 11, 2011, 11:52:04 am
No, being able to communicate directly TO peoples brains. Sounds that bypass the ears. Visions that bypass the eyes and play out directly on the visual cortex. Also being able to pull sights sounds and visual memories straight from peoples minds. And not randomly either, no, because your own bioelectric field is like a natural born barcode.

They dial you up and you're part of the net. Supposedly.

I still think all they are doing with ELF waves at the moment is playing "Weather God". Also Sichuan, Hiati, Christchurch.... these earthquakes don't roll...

This guys theory goes that every man woman and child on the street is a walking CCTV.

Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1359126

Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. 0.o


I hate to sound like a loony, because most of this shit isn't plausible, but scientifically it is completely possible.

So I read these things and think "Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but they probably could if they wanted to".
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on February 11, 2011, 11:55:14 am
Exactly, sounds awesome. I've been waiting for brain to brain communcation for a long time.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on February 11, 2011, 11:58:49 am
You must be a saint. I couldn't think of anything worse...
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on February 11, 2011, 12:50:48 pm
Ive been waiting for brain to brain communication for 3 years.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Spork on February 11, 2011, 01:18:30 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1359126
Now, that's what I'm talking about.   Good find!

Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. 0.o

There are also similar facitlities to H.A.A.R.P. in  Australia

The plot thickens.
Is this perhaps what the real reason behind sleep walking is? A bug in the system perhaps?
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on February 11, 2011, 05:28:39 pm
Quote from: Spacemonkey;1359132
Exactly, sounds awesome. I've been waiting for brain to brain communcation for a long time.

It'll never work.

You people are analogue and I'm digital.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on February 11, 2011, 06:04:32 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;1359245
It'll never work.

You people are analogue and I'm digital.

Show us your prehensile grip and opposable thumb, cat.

Your digits have claws..

Me, I'm solid state.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: doberman-08 on February 11, 2011, 06:07:22 pm
about now Grim you should be well past the solids and on to the liquids being a friday and all
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on February 11, 2011, 06:48:03 pm
True Astro.
Kingfisher Strong: Done.
2 x Carlsberg: Done.
More Carlsberg: on the way.

Acerbism: in check as of yet :)
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: doberman-08 on February 11, 2011, 07:11:54 pm
Nice!
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on February 12, 2011, 12:31:52 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3ZjsC3BOBE
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pitchey on February 12, 2011, 01:00:26 pm
MacDonalds is bad for you?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4649357/Burgers-keep-Cat-purring-at-100

Burgers keep Cat purring at 100
BEN STANLEY
Last updated 05:00 12/02/2011

Catherine Reddoch leans her elbows on to the shiny surface of her favourite table by the window and glances out into the busy world.

The Matamata 100-year-old, known as Cat to most, looks at the traffic, watching cars and and stock trucks rumble past. She casts her mind over 100 years of a life lived and loved, surrounded by family and good friends. She smiles – and takes another big bite out of her McDonald's cheeseburger.

Mrs Reddoch is sitting in "Cat's Corner" at McDonald's Matamata, just off the roundabout off Broadway.

It's the same place you'll find her around lunchtime every day, tucking into a cheeseburger and hot chocolate – her lunch every day since two months after she and late husband Neil moved to New Zealand from Scotland in 1988. Every day. That's more than eight thousand cheeseburgers. Eight thousand hot chocolates.

They lived in Paraparaumu then. The manager of the store noticed the regular customers after a couple more months, and decided the meal was on the house.

"He said you can have it free," she says in her soft, charming Scottish accent. "He said 'you've earned it'."

When Neil died in 1989 from an injury suffered when he served in the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders in World War II, Catherine moved up to Matamata, where she now lives at Matamata's RSA flats.

She's surrounded by some of Neil's paintings and photos of her family, including sisters Mary, 86, and Jenny, 93, who live in England and Scotland respectively.

Around 11am every morning, she'll reach for her walker, place her big black hangbag and purse under the cushion and set out the door.

She knows the walk well. Across the end of the bowling greens, with warm greetings from the members. "Morning Cat," they'll say. "How are you today?"

Down to the end of Ngaio St, along Rawhiti St to the start of Arawa, then down there. Past the Horse and Jockey pub. Round the corner, and across the street. Past the cafes and the Hobbiton information centre. Across the railway tracks, to McDonald's, and a door that a staff member will hold open before Mrs Reddoch arrives. It's around one kilometre all up, but she says she enjoys the activity.

"Sometimes I'm early, sometimes I'm late," she says. A round trip can take her up to two hours.

"I like walking," she continues, explaining how she delivered mail in Scotland during World War II. "I always have." Her Saturday visits include a trip to the TAB, where she'll place a $10 bet.
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McDonald's made a plaque for "her corner" last May for her 100th birthday, and threw her a party.

"Oh, it was a marvellous day wasn't it," she says to former carer and old friend Phyl Williams, who is accompanying her today.

The cheeseburger is finished and the hot chocolate cup empty. "Time to go," she says, standing and reaching for her walker. She moves towards the door.

"See you tomorrow," someone says from the counter. Mrs Reddoch smiles. "See you then."

- Waikato Times
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on February 12, 2011, 01:02:01 pm
Probably all the preservatives.

;)
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pitchey on February 12, 2011, 01:15:04 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1359481
Probably all the preservatives.

Damn! I meant to use that joke in my post!

Nicely played good sir.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on February 12, 2011, 04:35:14 pm
"When Neil died in 1989 from an injury suffered when he served in the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders in World War II, Catherine moved up to Matamata, where she now lives at Matamata's RSA flats."



Gangrene?

Bullet hole in the head?

Run over by a Tiger tank?
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: nick247 on February 13, 2011, 02:59:05 am
I sense a conspiracy, something suspicious about her husbands death if you ask me.

Dieing of a over 40year old wound?
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Speakman on February 13, 2011, 03:06:02 am
embedded shrapenel maybe?
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Arnifix on February 13, 2011, 12:40:32 pm
Quote from: Ngati_Grim;1359481
Probably all the preservatives.

;)

 
Hope you've read this. (http://aht.seriouseats.com/archives/2010/11/the-burger-lab-revisiting-the-myth-of-the-12-year-old-burger-testing-results.html)
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on February 20, 2011, 08:07:35 am
Yeah I did Arni, it's not bad, but doesn't make me want to eat one....(see my emoticon: disingenuous comment?)

Here's on for our Australian cousins:

http://mathaba.net/news/?x=625980

Australia: There is Poison in Your Tap Water -- Sent With Love From China


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On Monday the South Australia Parliament House in Adelaide was visited by Dr. Paul Connett, Professor of Chemistry and long time "fluoride" fighter and Dr. Andrew Harms former President of the Australian Dental Association, who presented the facts about the flawed "science" of forced water "fluoridation" and many of the harms being caused by this unethical, criminal activity which masquerades as "health" policy.......The public will be shocked to realize that what they have been told about fluoride in the water is far from the truth, and that the "fluoride", unlike that found in high grade toothpastes, is not pharmaceutical in nature but actually industrial chemical and toxic waste product, much of it from China. It is being dispersed into the water supply, where freedom of information requests obtained by Bressington show the high levels of toxicity and the presence of many poisons and even uranium, in Adelaide's water supply....South Australia's people will no doubt conclude upon seeing the evidence, that the governments, officials, departments and media that they have trusted for so long, have not only sold them short, but have been actively promoting sickness and toxicity which benefits only the medical profession, big industry, the pharmaceutical industry and the media and politicians who receive perks and kick-backs from those industries.....
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Spork on February 20, 2011, 08:41:00 pm
This does not surprise me one bit, Adelaide tap water tastes like arse. This is why I only drink filtered water or rain water.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pitchey on February 21, 2011, 12:34:35 am
Noooooooooo!!!!! razzlefarg hunnnghhh rabble!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10707631

Energy drink linked to psychotic episodes
4:38 PM Sunday Feb 20, 2011

Caffeinated energy drinks may trigger a psychotic episode in people with mental illness, a New Zealand expert has warned after documenting the case of a young man with schizophrenia.

The 27-year-old man had two separate psychotic events a week apart linked to his intake of the drink Demon Shot.

Auckland University Associate Professor Psychiatry Professor David Menkes said these events occurred at a time when the man, who was prone to persecutory thought and hallucinations, was otherwise responding well to anti-psychotic medication.

In the first instance, the man drank two 60ml bottles of Demon Shot and later reported experiencing recurrent thoughts, over several hours, of "people wanting to harm him".

"One week later, he drank three Demon Shots over 15 minutes," Prof Menkes said.

"He was observed to be emotionally labile (moving from one point to another) - initially laughing and talkative, later becoming restless, withdrawn and argumentative."

Other symptoms included a rapid pulse and insomnia, which took 24 hours to subside.

The man described again having had paranoid thoughts over several hours and an experience "consistent with a psychotic episode".

"The fact that our patient had the same reaction on two distinct occasions is important," Prof Menkes said.

There were known cases where a high intake of caffeine could exacerbate a psychotic condition, although this appeared to be the first linked to consuming energy drinks.

The man's case was "evidence that some patients with treated schizophrenia may be vulnerable to exacerbation of their illness by caffeine-containing energy drinks", he said.

Demon Shot drinks are widely available in Australia and New Zealand and they contain 200mg of caffeine plus taurine, B vitamins and guarana, which may have other stimulant properties.

According to its website, each Demon Shot provides a "massive energy hit that delivers up to six hours of concentrated mental and physical responsiveness".

The drinks also carry a warning which includes it should not be consumed by people sensitive to caffeine, and no more than two drinks a day.

The case is detailed in a letter published in the latest edition of the Medical Journal of Australia. - AAP
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on February 21, 2011, 07:28:16 am
3 drinks in 15 minutes, that's crazy.


Let all do it.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pitchey on February 21, 2011, 08:58:05 am
Sue Bradford...  again. She's already planning a protest but hasn't even read the actual report yet????

Talk about a "closed mind"! Surely getting folks capable of working back out into the workforce is healthy for both them and the country?! Stopping benefit/sickness etc. fraud is also a good thing?!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10707698

Bombshell on way for beneficiaries. By Simon Collins. 5:30 AM Monday Feb 21, 2011

About 300,000 welfare beneficiaries who are judged to be capable of work will face a day of reckoning tomorrow when the Government receives a report that recommends they be forced to look for jobs.

A welfare working group chaired by economist Paula Rebstock is poised to recommend a package of radical changes which Ms Rebstock says will be "more extensive than what most have ever done in a one-off reform".

Former Green MP Sue Bradford, who now leads a new group called Auckland Action Against Poverty, said the report was shaping up to make the 1991 benefit cuts look like "chicken feed" in terms of their impact on present and future beneficiaries.

Her group plans a protest action at the Henderson Work and Income office at 2pm tomorrow, two hours after the report becomes public.


The report's main thrust is expected to be extending the obligation to look for paid work to the vast majority of beneficiaries between age 18 and 64.

Ms Rebstock said yesterday that only a third of the 352,700 working-aged beneficiaries were currently required to look for work - all 67,000 on unemployment benefits, 43,000 sole parents with no children under age 6 and, from this May, 9000 sickness beneficiaries assessed as being able to work at least 15 hours a week.

"We would see that percentage increasing very significantly," she said.

Her interim report last November said only 20,000 people on invalid benefits had such severe disabilities or illnesses that they could never be expected to work.

It also suggested that sole parents should have to look for part-time work when their youngest children turn either 1, in line with the maximum parental leave, or 3, when "free" early childhood education begins. If it opts in the end for age 2, that would exempt only 22,500 sole-parent beneficiaries with youngest children under 2.

That would increase the proportion of beneficiaries required to look for work from 37 per cent at present to 88 per cent, or about 310,000 people.

It is not known whether the final report will pick up other tough options from the interim report, such as reducing the level of benefits after a year or requiring beneficiaries to work for their money after two years.

But Ms Rebstock said any hardline proposals for beneficiaries would be matched by proposals for families, employers, health services and the Government to give people more help to get off welfare.

"You can't just pick the nice things, and you can't just pick the things that tighten things up," she said. "You have got to pick a combination of the two."

She said a key theme would be improving outcomes for the 222,000 children who are growing up in welfare-dependent homes. That will include expanded programmes for teenage parents and their families - a crucial group because most beneficiaries with children are sole parents and a third of all sole-parent beneficiaries had a first baby before age 20.

The working group's interim report suggested requiring teen parents under 18 to live with their parents or a responsible adult, and requiring the teens to immunise their babies, attend Plunket regularly, attend parenting programmes and take their children to early childhood education.

The working group is also keen to develop services, modelled on the Accident Compensation Corporation's Better@Work scheme, which help health services and employers to plan together for the gradual return to work of people with illnesses or disabilities.

"One of the critical things is to be working with doctors so they can, in a very timely way, be approaching a patient from the understanding that it's really important, if it can be safely done, to keep this person in work or get them back to work as quickly as possible," Ms Rebstock said.

She said the group would recommend taking a long-term view, accepting that there could be increased costs in the short term to make what could be huge savings in the long term.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Scunner on February 21, 2011, 11:29:50 am
Quote from: Spork;1361819
This does not surprise me one bit, Adelaide tap water tastes like arse. This is why I only drink filtered water or rain water.

Beat me to it, but I still drink it straight from the tap. I figure it'll either kill me or the mixes of chemicals will give me super powers.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on February 21, 2011, 12:37:48 pm
If comic books have taught us anything (which they have). It's that drinking toxic waste will make you a super hero.

Or a horrible deformed super villain.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: ThaFleastyler on February 21, 2011, 01:40:04 pm
Either way, I think it would be a lot of fun.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on February 21, 2011, 03:39:47 pm
Quote from: Spacemonkey;1361922
If comic books have taught us anything (which they have). It's that drinking toxic waste will make you a super hero.

Or a horrible deformed super villain.

But which one are you Spacemonkey?

That's the question.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on February 21, 2011, 04:58:37 pm
Miss you guys =(
Title: The son of God returns
Post by: Tiwaking! on March 29, 2011, 07:21:34 am
This guy is the absolute business.
David Icke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke)
I cant get to his website (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davidicke.com%2F&ei=Us-QTb7gD8eecIP4tYQK&usg=AFQjCNFXrzUKZY_jHfOHClxnH_x3Xg-Hwg) so here are some quotes from Wikipedia.
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In April 1991 he announced on the BBC's Terry Wogan show that he was the son of God, and predicted that the world would soon be devastated by tidal waves and earthquakes.

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At the heart of his theories lies the idea that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.
Not Kris Kristofferson too?! Those reptilian bastards took Kris!
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What followed became what Icke calls his "turquoise period." He began to wear only turquoise because, he explained, it is a conduit of positive energy.
I think he is on to something here. I have never been attacked by lizards while wearing turquoise.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Spork on March 29, 2011, 11:11:17 am
This would explain why dogs like to kill lizards, as they are protecting us from the mighty overlords.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on March 29, 2011, 12:29:55 pm
Ah, the reptillians. Now thats one theory even I can laugh off.

Who here is aware of Kleksdorp spheres? Manufactured by intelligent hands, these things have been carbon dated at 3.8 Billion years old. 3.8 billion years ago, the earth wasn't even a solid mass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgTlWiqrPGE&feature=related

The video description is long, but thorough. TL:DR they are ovoid like planets, bulbous around the "equator" always with two concentric rings denoting said equator. They have a constant radius from core to outer edge, and are hollow with a gooey liquid filling that turns to dust when exposed to oxygen. The thickness of the shell is constant.
The shell is made from metal not naturally occurring on earth, but can be produced by metallurgy. These puppies not only predate human metallurgy, they also predate complex life on earth.

Hundreds have been recovered.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: oefox on March 29, 2011, 01:33:33 pm
Just a few martian eggs we've just prevented from spawning on M-day
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on March 30, 2011, 10:30:21 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klerksdorp_sphere

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The various claims[1][2][4][6] that these objects are either "perfectly round" or perfect spheres is now known to be incorrect as directly observed by Heinrich[8][9][10]. These specimens vary widely in shape, from noticeably flattened spheres to distinct disks. As illustrated by Heinrich[9][10], some of the Klerksdorp spheres are intergrown with each other, like a mass of soap bubbles. The observations and figure refute claims that these objects are either always spherical or isolated in their occurrence. As noted by Heinrich[9][10], even grooved spheres are not perfect spheres and some consist of intergrown spheres.

Similarly, the claims that these objects consist of metal, i.e. "...a nickel-steel alloy which does not occur naturally..." according to Jochmans[4] are definitely false as discovered by Cairncross[7] and Heinrich[9][10]. The fact that many of the web pages that make this claim also incorrectly identify the pyrophyllite quarries, from which these objects came, as the "Wonderstone Silver Mine" is evidence that these authors have not bothered to verify the validity of, in this case, misinformation taken from other sources since these quarries are neither known as silver mines nor has silver ever been mined in them in the decades in which they have been in operation[11][13].

Heinrich[14] notes that one of Michael Cremo's sources regarding the allegedly anomalous spheres was the Weekly World News which he described as "...a [sic] unreliable source of data for discussing the origins of the South African spheres described as used by Forbidden Archeology". As noted by Cairncross[7], it appears that the source of the Weekly World News article is an earlier article by Barritt[3]. This article[3] appeared in a 1982 issue of Scope magazine about these objects. Scope was a South African tabloid-style magazine that, like the Weekly World News, cannot be regarded in any way as being a credible source.

Additionally, Roelf Marx, as quoted in Cairncross[7] and Pope and Cairncross[15], former curator of the Klerksdorp Museum, reports that he was misquoted in regards to these objects. Marx was quoted in popular articles as saying that the objects rotated by themselves in vibration-free display cases in the Klerksdorp Museum. Instead, Roelf Marx stated that they rotated because of the numerous earth tremors generated by underground blasting in local gold mining. Similarly, inquiries of scientists, who studied these objects, have found that the claims that NASA found these objects to be either perfectly balanced, unnatural, or puzzling are completely unsubstantiated[10].

Finally, published descriptions[2][5][6] of these spheres being harder than steel are meaningless in terms of Mohs scale of mineral hardness. Such descriptions are meaningless because depending on either the type of heat treatment, the type of steel alloy, and whether it is case-hardened or not, the hardness of steel can vary quite dramatically. Given that the type of steel is unspecified in these accounts, it is impossible to assign a specific hardness in terms of Mohs scale of mineral hardness from such an observation and determine whether it indicates them to be abnormally hard. There is a complete lack of any data published in any formal scientific paper, which substantiates that any of these spheres are abnormally hard as implied by such purely anecdotal accounts by non-geologists of these objects being harder than steel[10].


TLDR?


They're naturally occurring.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on March 30, 2011, 10:44:13 am
Nowhere in that passage does it say they are naturally occurring, nor does it address the apparent age of the formations.
The carbon dating is what interests me.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on March 30, 2011, 10:58:36 am
No, it doesn't say that in THAT passage, correct. It IS in the link. Ah, here:
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Geologists[7][8][9][10] agree that the Klerksdorp spheres originated as concretions, which formed in volcanic sediments, ash, or both, after they accumulated 3.0 billion years ago


The carbon dating doesn't interest me as it's useless for objects that age.



Quote from: Daddy Clin;1372436

Who here is aware of Kleksdorp spheres? Manufactured by intelligent hands, these things have been carbon dated at 3.8 Billion years old. 3.8 billion years ago, the earth wasn't even a solid mass.


Uh..."manufactured by intelligent hands"???
  carbon dated at 3.8 Billion years old" ???
 " The earth (sic) wasn't even a solid mass."???

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_dated_rocks


http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mom/spheres.html  " Forbidden Archeology"!!!  
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However, there is a complete lack of any evidence that either the nodules/spheres are artificial or that the grooves were cut prior to burial. As far as can be determined at this time, the spheres consist of pyrite nodules of metamorphic origin and goethite nodules formed by the weathering of the pyrite. Since the nodules are metamorphic in origin and, thus, formed by metamorphism while the enclosing strata were buried under kilometers of rock, the grooves, if artificial, had to have been cut after they had collected from the pyrophyllite during quarrying operations. As a result, the grooves are far less than 2.8 billions old. The nodules are clearly of natural origin and less than 2.8 billion years old.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on March 30, 2011, 11:03:38 am
sadface
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on March 30, 2011, 01:49:15 pm
Quote from: Daddy Clin;1372436

The shell is made from metal not naturally occurring on earth, but can be produced by metallurgy. These puppies not only predate human metallurgy, they also predate complex life on earth.

 
Wiki says they're made from iron oxide. Which is quite common.

Are they anything like this naturally occurring ones on mars?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/07-ml-3-soil-mosaic-B019R1_br.jpg)
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on March 30, 2011, 01:59:17 pm
I see you've both spotted my deliberate mistake. Gold Star for both of you.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on March 30, 2011, 02:11:03 pm
Quote from: Daddy Clin;1372756
I see you've both spotted my deliberate mistake. Gold Star for both of you.


Stars aren't made of Gold, they consist of mainly hydrogen and helium.

But gold is created at the end of the stars life time when it goes supernova, the incredible power of the explosion is enough to fuse lighter elements into heavier elements like iron, lead and gold.

This process is known as Supernova nucleosynthesis.


Next times someone asks you where you came from, tell them you came from Supernova nucleosynthesis.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on April 01, 2011, 10:18:43 am
I believe I've uncovered the greatest conspiracy of all....

(http://www.getsome.co.nz/image.php?u=1399&dateline=1295026765)
(http://www.getsome.co.nz/image.php?u=2983&dateline=1294822829)

DUN DUN DAAAAHN
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on April 01, 2011, 03:42:20 pm
Quote from: Daddy Clin;1373275
I believe I've uncovered the greatest conspiracy of all....

([url]http://www.getsome.co.nz/image.php?u=1399&dateline=1295026765[/url])
([url]http://www.getsome.co.nz/image.php?u=2983&dateline=1294822829[/url])

DUN DUN DAAAAHN


The conspiracy goes deeper then you could ever imagine.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/jarik/moreobble.jpg)
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Speakman on April 01, 2011, 03:43:57 pm
i wish i could find my one :(
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pitchey on April 01, 2011, 03:52:02 pm
Quote from: Spacemonkey;1373372
The conspiracy goes derper then you could ever imagine.
([url]http://iforce.co.nz/i/a3nerdwp.png[/url])

 
Fixed for truth!
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on April 01, 2011, 03:52:24 pm
Quote from: JontyB;1373374
i wish i could find my one :(

 
What did it look like? I have loads of them on my PC.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/jarik/avatar3716_5gif.png)(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/jarik/yodobble2.png)(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/jarik/1hcif2cfgif.png)(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/jarik/SPYOBBLE.jpg)(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/jarik/kfobble.jpg)(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/jarik/popeyBBLe.jpg)(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/jarik/bloodninja.png)(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/jarik/avatar4848_12gif.png)(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/jarik/CommandoObble.jpg)(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/jarik/DukeObble.jpg)(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/jarik/jesusobble.jpg)(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/jarik/spaceobble.jpg)(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/jarik/oldobble.jpg)
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Speakman on April 01, 2011, 03:53:09 pm
mine was the animal one
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Obble on April 01, 2011, 03:53:50 pm
Quote from: Daddy Clin;1373275
I believe I've uncovered the greatest conspiracy of all....

DUN DUN DAAAAHN

olol, biggest newfag ever you are atm.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on April 01, 2011, 03:58:15 pm
Quote from: JontyB;1373378
mine was the animal one

 
This one?
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/jarik/avatar7154_10gif.png)
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Spork on April 01, 2011, 04:09:50 pm
Quote from: Obble;1373379
olol, biggest newfag ever you are atm.

I'm pretty proud that mine was the very first.. Of what ever those things are called. Everyone based theirs off of my Soccble.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on April 01, 2011, 04:25:28 pm
Newfags, bestfags. (http://www.getsome.co.nz/member.php?2983-Spork)


I could never be mad at you obble, you fat little kitty. Coochee-coo!
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Spork on April 01, 2011, 04:28:51 pm
O rite, I didn't even see what you had done there when I first saw the image. Haha. Nice!
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: 5tacK on April 30, 2011, 09:49:08 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phKiT2-94XU&feature=related

haha
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on May 03, 2011, 12:30:03 pm
Did Osama bin Laden mastermind the 9/11 terrorist attacks? Why is there no evidence? Why did Osama repeatedly deny any involvement? The only 'confession video' released by the US Government is clearly fake.

http://www.infowars.com/osama-bin-laden-responsible-for-the-911-attacks-where-is-the-evidence/

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The idea that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the 9/11 attacks has been an article of faith for public officials and the mainstream media. Calling it an “article of faith” points to two features of this idea. On the one hand, no one in these circles publicly challenges this idea.

On the other hand, no good evidence has ever been publicly presented to support it.

Colin Powell’s Withdrawn Promise

Two weeks after 9/11, Secretary of State Colin Powell, speaking to Tim Russert on Meet the Press, said that he expected “in the near future . . . to put out . . . a document that will describe quite clearly the evidence that we have linking [bin Laden] to this attack.”3
Powell reversed himself, however, at a press conference with President Bush in the White House Rose Garden the next morning, saying that, although the government had information that left no question of bin Laden’s responsibility, “most of it is classified.”4 According to Seymour Hersh, citing officials from both the CIA and the Department of Justice, the real reason for the reversal was a “lack of solid information.”5
This was the week that Bush, after demanding that the Taliban turn over bin Laden, refused their request for evidence that bin Laden had been behind the attacks.6 A senior Taliban official, after the US attack on Afghanistan had begun, said: “We have asked for proof of Osama’s involvement, but they have refused. Why?”7 Hersh’s answer was that they had no proof.

Tony Blair’s Weak Document

The task of providing such proof was taken up by Bush’s chief ally in the “war on terror,” British Prime Minister Tony Blair. On October 4, 2001, Blair made public a document entitled: “Responsibility for the Terrorist Atrocities in the United States.” Listing “clear conclusions reached by the government,” it stated: “Osama Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, the terrorist network which he heads, planned and carried out the atrocities on 11 September 2001.” Blair’s report, however, began by saying: “This document does not purport to provide a prosecutable case against Osama Bin Laden in a court of law.”8 Although the case was not good enough to go to court, Blair seemed to be saying, it was good enough to go to war.
The weakness in Blair’s report, in any event, was noted the next day by the BBC, which said: “There is no direct evidence in the public domain linking Osama Bin Laden to the 11 September attacks. At best the evidence is circumstantial.”9

The FBI’s Surprising Statement

What does our own FBI say? Here is a surprising but little-known fact, because it has scarcely been reported in the mainstream media: The FBI’s “Most Wanted Terrorist” webpage on “Usama bin Laden” does not list the 9/11 attacks as one of the crimes for which he is wanted. It does list bombings in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi as terrorist acts for which he is wanted. But it makes no mention of 9/11.10 In 2006, Rex Tomb, then the FBI’s chief of investigative publicity, was asked why not. He replied: “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”11

After this story started flying around the Internet and was even covered by a TV station in Louisiana,12 Dan Eggen tried to downplay its significance in an August 2006 Washington Post article entitled “Bin Laden, Most Wanted For Embassy Bombings?”13 Complaining about “conspiracy theorists” who claimed that “the lack of a Sept. 11 reference [on the FBI's "Most Wanted" webpage for bin Laden] suggests that the connection to al-Qaeda is uncertain,” Eggen quoted the explanation offered by a former US attorney, who said that the FBI could not appropriately “put up a wanted picture where no formal charges had been filed.”
But that explanation, while true, simply pushes the issue back a step to this question: Why have such charges not been filed? Rex Tomb’s fuller statement, which Eggen failed to mention, had answered this question the previous June, saying:
The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice then decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.14


Far more on the website....http://www.infowars.com/osama-bin-laden-responsible-for-the-911-attacks-where-is-the-evidence/
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: nick247 on May 03, 2011, 12:48:24 pm
Wouldnt surprise me if this was true
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on May 03, 2011, 12:50:41 pm
I believe its about the only plausible conspiracy theory.

The lack of evidence is astounding.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Wandarah on May 03, 2011, 01:20:56 pm
"The only thing interesting about any of these theories, is that people are willing to believe almost anyone who has a contrary opinion to the sources of authority they already distrust" - A senior unnamed Taliban official said.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pitchey on May 03, 2011, 01:25:22 pm
Quote from: BerG;1380141
Did Osama bin Laden mastermind the 9/11 terrorist attacks? Why is there no evidence? Why did Osama repeatedly deny any involvement? The only 'confession video' released by the US Government is clearly fake.

But he later claimed to be responsible for the planning of it.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on May 03, 2011, 01:39:35 pm
Quote from: BerG;1380151
I believe its about the only plausible conspiracy theory.

The lack of evidence is astounding.

Yes, but if one subscribes to this it opens a can of worms regarding who DID do it.
for my money I will say there was MOSSAD involvement.

Quote from: Pitchey;1380163
But he later claimed to be responsible for the planning of it.

Are you talking about that faked video?
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG. on May 03, 2011, 02:28:33 pm
Where did he claim to be responsible for planning it?

I mean actual him. Not fake, fat, right handed him.

And I'll admit that I cant offer any evidence for an alternative 'mastermind'.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 03, 2011, 02:46:12 pm
I read that there were a few different videos of him claiming responsibility. I haven't seen any of them though.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bell on May 03, 2011, 03:13:13 pm
I heard Osama was the result of a genetic experiment on monkeys gone terribly wrong
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Retardobot on May 03, 2011, 03:16:14 pm
I heard Osama was actually a guy living in Australia working for a major gaming company, posting on a forum trying to fool people into thinking Osama is the result of a genetic experiment on monkeys gone terribly wrong.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 03, 2011, 03:30:21 pm
Quote from: RetardoBot;1380198
I heard Osama was actually a guy living in Australia working for a major gaming company, posting on a forum trying to fool people into thinking Osama is the result of a genetic experiment on monkeys gone terribly wrong.

I heard that too from the guy who just posted above me. So if you heard it too, it must be true.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Retardobot on May 03, 2011, 03:33:28 pm
You should tweet about it. So other people can revel in the truth.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bell on May 03, 2011, 03:45:28 pm
If he would just release his birth certificate we would know the truth.
Title: Basic laws of physics
Post by: Tiwaking! on May 05, 2011, 06:08:15 pm
Osama not dead?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjLe9-6IZX8&feature=feedu
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on May 05, 2011, 09:36:51 pm
After watching that guy, I believe everything the US Government says.
Title: I have not heard this song
Post by: Tiwaking! on May 06, 2011, 12:17:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNGExNhLYD4
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Wandarah on May 06, 2011, 01:43:55 pm
I know it's fucking Gaga and all, but that track kicks yo.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on May 06, 2011, 08:33:45 pm
Totally.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Spork on May 06, 2011, 08:39:14 pm
What? Judas is another name for Jesus?
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on May 08, 2011, 07:06:04 pm
OSAMA BIN LADEN SPOTTED IN GREENLAND


(http://z.about.com/d/paranormal/1/0/d/A/yeti_lg.jpg)

(http://www.geekologie.com/2009/09/01/yeti.jpg)

Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on May 08, 2011, 07:34:19 pm
He needs to watch out for those seals.
Title: Well it looks like he smelled *puts on glasses* what Barack bin Doin
Post by: Tiwaking! on May 09, 2011, 04:14:00 pm
I cant believe this one is actually real
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6azRpCX6-zA
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BeNZene on May 09, 2011, 09:33:20 pm
Apparently the US have released a photo from OBL's funeral to prove it to the masses:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tFLVyIv-q0Y/TcQVTBrJJxI/AAAAAAAAIiA/ZTTfAqNSggM/s1600/sandal-floating.jpg)
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Dr Woomanchu on May 20, 2011, 05:29:54 pm
Well Princess Diana was murdered. Here's proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoZ71sj3Kn0
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Dr Woomanchu on May 20, 2011, 05:31:39 pm
Proof that Princess Diana was murdered? You decide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoZ71sj3Kn0
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Scunner on May 20, 2011, 05:37:56 pm
Kate Middleton asked Queen Elizabeth, "Now that I'm married to your grandson, can you tell me what you think the secret is to a long life?"

The Queen replied, "Wear a seat belt and don't piss me off."
Title: The Blue M&M theory
Post by: Tiwaking! on August 13, 2011, 08:39:18 pm
I was buying M&M's with my classmate today. I do not eat blue m&m's. They have a radioactive dye which allows American tracker satellites to pinpoint your position.

Ripleys: Believe it or not!
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on August 29, 2011, 09:40:53 am
http://www.scribd.com/doc/50959443/9/Secret-Nazi-Brotherhood-Identities-Unveiled

Oh, this is a goody!
Bush family, Hitler, duplicity and intrigue.

Enjoy!

Quote

Hitler has a deformed left ear that had been surgically altered, as well as two round crater indentationsabove one another on his left cheek, as seen in the 1997 photograph. The seated man’s very narrowshoulders and short neck also support Skorzeny’s statements. Having been a personal bodyguard andHitler’s elite special agent who safeguarded the flight of both Mussolini and Hitler from their countrieson separate occasions in the aftermath of World War II, Skorzeny’s personal testimony andphotographic evidence must be brought to bear.
 
Otto Skorzeny named Bethesda, Maryland as thelocation of Adolf Hitler’s residence in the US, in addition to living in secure US military bases andunderground Nazi CIA facilities.


It's a doozy!
Title: What's all this bullshit about the Earth suddenly tilting on it's axis?
Post by: Clin on August 29, 2011, 10:05:21 am
So I walk right in, sit right down, Daddy lets his hair hang down. Sip my flat white and  crank up skynet. All the news that’s fit to print on a Monday morning; Reddit, GetSome, Youtube and the Onion.

What I get are videos and blogs, straight out of Godzone, claiming that the Earth has shifted on its axis. Videos shot in Auckland of some comet on the 27th. Videos of some crazy pom in Invercargill pointing his camera at the moon, claiming that it looks nothing like it did and referencing a photo shot in the south during march.

Then I hear people trying to say that American airports have had to adjust their navigation systems to compensate.

Now I don’t actually know how the changing seasons affect our view of the moon. I know it is geosynchronous, but I don’t know if our summer/winter tilt can twist the face of the moon.
Maybe stock images of our satellite are always rotated to a certain degree to conform to “moon maps”.

Also,I wouldn’t have thought a comet could pull us to that extent. I am concerned that I never heard about any comet, I could have kept my boy up to take a gander. I remember seeing Halleys in Perth as a boy, and it was a special moment. I saw the Pope there too, but that’s another story.

As for compasses, they track magnetic North, of course, and have no bearing on our true physical tilt, as far as I know.






(http://i.imgur.com/VLdCS.png)
No one mention Myan calendars please,
 I know for a fact that that theory is wrong. The calendar on my desk right now tells me that the world will end December 31st 2011.
No Tiwa, you cannot have my stuff. I plan to be buried with all of my possessions and my assistant, Smithers.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on August 29, 2011, 10:22:47 am
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread682255/pg1[/url]


There is interest in conspiracy theories as entertainment and then there is just plain nuttiness.
Comet Elenin, Pole Shift, the Sun not rising setting where it used to, the Moon being different, a Brown Dwarf companion star to the Sun has entered the Solar System and is Nbiru, Nemesis, or the Blue Kachina...I could go on, but a lot of this is coming from people who live in a certain part of the world and are deeply religious...
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: TofuEater on August 29, 2011, 10:32:42 am
Shit, they're right. Earlier this year (in summer, i think) the sun used to set through our back bedroom window. Now, in winter, it's setting in the lounge window. The earth has definitely tilted on its axis!
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ultrarandom on August 30, 2011, 09:40:17 pm
Reptilians.
That is all
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: nick247 on August 31, 2011, 12:56:12 am
Dont get me started about them.
Title: Ten years of lies
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 11, 2011, 06:17:05 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iND-b8Q3jc&feature=feedu
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on September 11, 2011, 08:16:21 pm
What motivates these people ffs.
Title: For dummies
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 13, 2011, 05:56:15 pm
2012: For dummies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfaZvLf29qk&feature=related
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Nostargate on September 13, 2011, 06:03:25 pm
This thread is a conspiracy, i have uncovered evidenc....................................

no

you cant

its the men in bl...

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Title: Because only the cool people live in this thread
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 19, 2011, 10:18:32 am
Quote from: Nostargate;1421258
This thread is a conspiracy, i have uncovered evidenc....................................
Declassified US Spy Satellites Reveal Rare Look at Secret Cold War Space Program (http://www.space.com/12996-secret-spy-satellites-declassified-nro.html)
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: DeeUnit on September 19, 2011, 11:30:04 am
Sure, there are lots of minor details that, once put into the big picture, can contribute to a lot of the hype regarding the conspiracy. I admit there are a few times during some programs on 9/11, or that shit doco Loose Change, that had me wondering "How the fu...?". Surely there's got to be something going on?


But then reality strikes, and the shear scale of 9/11 coupled with the tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of individuals that would have agreed to keep quite, therefore sanctioning this action, just seems too unrealistic to be credible. Maybe not the tens of thousands of people bit, a need to know basis sure, but still. That is a mighty truckload of people who would have to say sure thing.

To me, the reason people let this go on, is because on the day that happened, and the years leading up to 9/11, it just demonstrates how much of a joke airport security was, and all of the processes leading up to that main event, and how lack-luster they all were in following protocol.

Much rather let people think they know A, when infact it only happened because of a number of things occurred resulting in B right?
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on September 19, 2011, 01:36:11 pm
Why so many people?
It doesn't require that many at all.

See also the PNAC. I feel that, if they were not directly responsible, they were at least culpable, to the extreme.


http://youtu.be/7QvCKlh42Cw[/url]
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: =C= on September 23, 2011, 03:20:10 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;1264842
Conspiracy theorists and religious nuts sound the same because they are.

They are the intellectual equivilents of low watt bulbs.

Logical explanations scare them because in answering one question, logic poses other more frightening riddles.

 


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Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: =C= on September 23, 2011, 03:24:08 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;1264980
Like Heather Mills. But seriously, produce ONE person (out of the cast of thousands) who was involved. Surely there is SOMEONE out there who has a conscience and want's to get it off their chest?

TBH, if something of this magnitude was planned...  only a select few would know about it at the top elites and not thousands of people...
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on September 23, 2011, 03:52:36 pm
That's what I wanted to say, but I always worry I'll get carried away. Truly enormous projects and tasks can be undertaken by many people, and only a few need to be co-ordinating.

Now I'm getting the fuck out of this thread.

Also, see my sig for tinfoil hat goodness.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bell on September 28, 2011, 02:16:39 pm
Cost benefit analysis says no.
Title: Badges? We dont need no stinking BADGES!
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 28, 2011, 06:32:52 pm
Quote from: Bell;1427782
Cost benefit analysis says no.
Your logic and tomfoolerys does not belong here!
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pitchey on September 28, 2011, 07:06:09 pm
Badgers?
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Nostargate on September 28, 2011, 09:29:07 pm
Needs more beavers tbh.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on September 29, 2011, 03:00:50 pm
He said "The Sherriff's a' near"!
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on September 29, 2011, 03:03:27 pm
Quote from: Bell;1427782
Cost benefit analysis says no.


Assuming I actually understand what this means, 300 extra billion in defense plus the trillions that have gone missing in the last ten years must be beneficial to the machine....
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on September 29, 2011, 03:04:33 pm
That's before you take into account the "God Mode" US now has under the patriot act, TSA, all the other changes.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on October 08, 2011, 08:59:24 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FPTWBz9_CM
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BushySB on October 13, 2011, 03:08:03 pm
A couple of new vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvFadIsb4BE&feature=related
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: doberman-08 on October 14, 2011, 09:27:59 am
Grim................you are the man!
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pe_Pa_Possum on October 15, 2011, 01:59:28 pm
Saw this on Facebook, about the grounding of the MV Rena:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/michelle-lake/the-grounding-of-the-mv-rena-was-deliberate-and-a-false-flag-event-says-maritime/260854097289682
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bell on October 15, 2011, 02:13:57 pm
lol
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Ngati_Grim on October 17, 2011, 03:03:26 pm
lol indeed, but you can follow a few links and see that the Rena did, indeed, change course directly towards the reef and stayed that course for a full hour until it hit, despite being clearly on the charts...
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: dirtyape on October 17, 2011, 05:24:09 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;1264842
Conspiracy theorists and religious nuts sound the same because they are.

They are the intellectual equivilents of low watt bulbs.

Logical explanations scare them because in answering one question, logic poses other more frightening riddles.
That's what they want you to think. Label someone a conspiracy theorist and instantly they are judged and ignored. Convenient.

Perhaps someone planted that idea in society by making false flag conspiracy theorist claims in order sway public opinion towards the negative... a conspiracy theory about public perception of conspiracy theories... it's... beautiful...
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: 5tacK on October 17, 2011, 05:53:59 pm
(http://unfollowingjesus.com/files/2010/10/dino-death.jpg)
Title: Tesla Death Ray
Post by: Tiwaking! on October 17, 2011, 05:58:43 pm
Quote from: dirtyape;1436321
That's what they want you to think. Label someone a conspiracy theorist and instantly they are judged and ignored. Convenient.

Perhaps someone planted that idea in society by making false flag conspiracy theorist claims in order sway public opinion towards the negative... a conspiracy theory about public perception of conspiracy theories... it's... beautiful...
What is worse is that no matter how many people claim the same thing, they get grouped as 'conspiracy theorists' and ignored.

For example: The alien space craft shot down over Rosswill was hit with an experimental Tesla Death Ray from a plane flown by an American Pilot.

The pilot is still alive and swears the story to be true.

Ripleys: Believe it, or not!
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: dirtyape on October 18, 2011, 11:17:25 am
It reminds me about burning witches at the stake, you could almost consider it the modern equivalent. Grouping everything that involves a conspiracy together and prejudging them as a singularity.

Case by case basis and judge based upon the evidence. I don't see why a "conspiracy theory" should be any different to any other contested truth.

And Tiwa that guys just nuts. Everyone knows it was the lizard people surface reconnaissance vehicle that crashed in Roswell.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Dr Woomanchu on October 19, 2011, 10:14:48 pm
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/jet_fuel.png)
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Lazza on October 25, 2011, 10:27:18 pm
Here's a real conspiracy to consider. Did Gen. Barry McCaffrey (USA) conspire to break the ceasefire (GW1) culminating in the Battle of Rumaila slaughter?
I believe he did and that his words "find a way for me to kill all of those bastards" sadly sums up the maniacal attitude the USA has to war.
If the conspiracy itself doesn't spin your wheels, the other atrocities (brought out by the investigation into the Battle of Rumaila) that were commited by the USA in this war "should" alarm us all.
Especially given that when the USA fight these wars they claim to represent us too (bundled among the "western democracies").
Some background here...

http://cryptome.org/mccaffrey-sh.htm
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on October 27, 2011, 02:41:40 pm
I consider the inside job to be a real conspiracy.



Grim's video is an amazing must watch that makes me feel like less of a crackpot. I'll watch yours when the boss has his next meeting BushySB =)
Title: Testify Brother!!
Post by: Tiwaking! on October 30, 2011, 01:00:23 pm
AIDS! It was made to kill black people!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BfTrruT7hY
Title: The Pope is Reptilian too!!
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 08, 2012, 12:14:23 pm
I am fully convinced of the truthfulness of this website
http://stargods.org/ReptilianPage.htm

(http://stargods.org/ReptilianQueen.jpg)
Queen Elizabeth is Reptilian!!
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bounty Hunter on October 06, 2012, 05:58:13 pm
I've been reading/watching youtube videos about chemtrails, and I think I've found evidence that they are real.

so one women took a sample and found there was 0.0058 grames per cubic meter of aluminium in our water right, but no one thought to do a sample before the chemtrails, and if they did, then everyone would have forgotten what they were because OF THE CHEMTRAILS!
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on October 06, 2012, 06:14:55 pm
What are chemtrails?
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bounty Hunter on October 06, 2012, 06:19:12 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;1504798
What are chemtrails?


water vapor formed by the vortical flow of air off the wings of aeroplanes.

But some people think it's the government ditching chemicals on us.

Here's Grant with the weather:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKKppIt3-7I
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on October 06, 2012, 06:51:42 pm
Love the comments on that video.

Dropkicks.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Zarkov on October 06, 2012, 10:18:01 pm
Contrails.

US Deepfreeze Starlifters are making them everyday over my house on the way to Chch.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: toofast on October 06, 2012, 10:28:43 pm
Quote from: Bounty Hunter;1504799
water vapor formed by the vortical flow of air off the wings of aeroplanes.

I believe those are contrails. Chemtrails are the supposed chemicals which are dropped from the plane to look like contrails.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bounty Hunter on October 07, 2012, 11:16:55 am
Quote from: toofast;1504817
I believe those are contrails. Chemtrails are the supposed chemicals which are dropped from the plane to look like contrails.

No that's what crazy people think they are, what they really are is water vapor.

Chemtrails are contrails.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Craigor on October 07, 2012, 11:28:56 am
Next the clouds will be "Big nasty army planes" that are dropping masses of chemical inoculation upon us every time it rains.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bounty Hunter on October 07, 2012, 10:34:52 pm
Quote from: Bounty Hunter;1504834
No that's what crazy people think they are, what they really are is water vapor.

Chemtrails are contrails.

I never thought in posting this I'd unearth another conspiracy!

toofast thinks chemtrails are for real!

or he's having a laugh at my uncorrect sentence structure.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bounty Hunter on November 04, 2012, 10:25:15 pm
Some people think the mars rover 'curiosity' is a hoax.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1957892/pg1?regp=bm9fMTM1MjAyMDk1OA==
Title: Tinfoil hat goodness?
Post by: Tiwaking! on January 08, 2013, 01:00:37 pm
Quote from: Daddy Clin;1425496
Also, see my sig for tinfoil hat goodness.

There is a conspiracy theory involving Clown Cars?
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on January 08, 2013, 01:33:48 pm
I would hate to live in a world were there wasn't a conspiracy theory involving Clown Cars.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on January 10, 2013, 05:11:21 pm
Different initiatives and groups have been spraying for decades. It's documented, admitted and verifiable. I don't know who's spraying what, nor do I know if the practice is hazardous, but it happens.

Reddit post from the Conspiracy sub (http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/16a3u2/chemtrail_proof/c7u70ln) with plenty of examples. To be taking with a grain of salt and some critical thinking...

(http://i.imgur.com/6WrJF.jpg)

What with all the differing opinions on population control via vaccines and drinking water etc etc it would seem simpler to deploy 747s and spray your nefarious agent.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on January 10, 2013, 06:22:14 pm
I see a whole lot of articles about rain cloud seeding (which is harmless), and a few about some tests conducted in the 1940's involving a few dozen missions, all carried out by military aircraft with military markings, with nothing specifically saying it was sprayed over heavily populated areas.

Nothing about the civilian aircraft flying over us every day secretly hitting us with chemicals mixed into the fuel with the airline and pilot's knowledge, which seem to be what the crackpots think is going on on a daily basis.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on January 10, 2013, 06:30:47 pm
This is why I only breath bottled air.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on January 10, 2013, 06:56:42 pm
The funniest thing about this particular topic is this: You're and evil military or corporate power with seemingly unlimited funds and the best minds at your disposal. You want to poison the people/change the weather/influence the outcome of idol. You load up your giant fucking jet and proceed to spray during daylight in unlimited visibility in full view of looneys with cam-corders. Brilliant.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pitchey on January 11, 2013, 04:15:13 pm
I swear if I ever meet Necroking in real life I'm liable to wire him up to 230V AC and make him dance for about 30 minutes.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bell on January 11, 2013, 08:59:12 pm
Quote from: Daddy Clin;1514121
The funniest thing about this particular topic is this: You're and evil military or corporate power with seemingly unlimited funds and the best minds at your disposal. You want to poison the people/change the weather/influence the outcome of idol. You load up your giant fucking jet and proceed to spray during daylight in unlimited visibility in full view of looneys with cam-corders. Brilliant.


It's so crazy it might just work!
Thank god we have this guy on our side!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyKofFih8Y
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Clin on January 13, 2013, 01:24:15 pm
lawd
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bounty Hunter on April 22, 2013, 12:49:24 am
Nothing like a bombing in america to keep the conspiracy theorists happy....

my facebook has gone silly
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: SteddieEddie on April 22, 2013, 04:40:40 pm
Mums comment that they were working for the fbi was a stroke of genius, will keep the conspiratorial aspect of the whole saga alive and well
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: BerG on April 22, 2013, 05:42:19 pm
It's amazing how nobody actually ever bombs the US, it's an inside job every single time.
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bounty Hunter on April 22, 2013, 05:43:56 pm
Did you guys know civilians can buy craft gear?

http://co-store.com/craftgear

Now you too can be a boston bomber that got away with it!
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: frankytanky on April 23, 2013, 11:03:03 am
[ATTACH=CONFIG]7874[/ATTACH]
(http://www.getsome.co.nz/attachment.php?attachmentid=7874&d=1366671776)
Title: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: SteddieEddie on April 24, 2013, 07:35:59 pm
Quote from: SteddieEddie;1523943
Mums comment that they were working for the fbi was a stroke of genius, will keep the conspiratorial aspect of the whole saga alive and well

On the news tonight it was revealed that mum has an outstanding shoplifting charge and is wanted in the US.The smear has begun.

She needs to show some evidence of the kids being in touch with fbi and it is game on
Title: Japan Airlines Flight 123
Post by: Tiwaking! on May 22, 2014, 10:04:02 am
http://juzoitami1997.wordpress.com/tag/japan-airlines-flight-123/ (http://juzoitami1997.wordpress.com/tag/japan-airlines-flight-123/)

Japans worst airline disaster was an inside job
Quote
This is a documentary TV program after 15 years of the accident JAL 123. Please watch this video on YOUTUBE ([url]http://youtu.be/7poQ8oyuBQM[/url]) from about 40:20. This part is in English from the president of Celeris Aerospace Canada Inc., Mr. Stephen Hall who analysed the Flight Recorder of JAL 123 has a different view about its accident now.

Quote
The late Mr. Kunio SASOU’s last lecture on 7 August 2009 (it was about the truth of JAL 123) can be watched on YOUTUBE. Next day, he was poisoned. He says in the lecture ‘US threatened by weapon in the matter of PLAZA ACCORD, it was Neutron bomb (missile) which shot the JAL123.’ Actually many people saw a mushroom cloud in the sky at the time.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 22, 2014, 10:34:37 am
mmmmmm, mushroom...
Title: Michael Jackson is NOT dead!
Post by: Tiwaking! on June 22, 2014, 11:09:44 am
http://michaeljacksonnotdead.wordpress.com/ (http://michaeljacksonnotdead.wordpress.com/)
Quote
Since you are here – it means that you too also question the ‘death’ of Michael Jackson.  The truth is that it was indeed staged, and Michael is STILL ALIVE

look at the picture below. It was taken in early 2009. Look at the neck – there is hardly any flesh or fat on it. But look at the pictures from the rehearsals above. The neck appears to be completely different.

([url]http://michaeljacksonnotdead.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/michael_jackson_ill.jpg[/url])

Michael Jackson probably had several doubles. Which one or who died recently remains to be determined, but from my previous post, I highly doubt that it was the REAL Michael Jackson that died.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on June 22, 2014, 04:19:19 pm
Of course, he just went back to his home planet.
Title: Alexandria Genesis (Purple eye disease)
Post by: Tiwaking! on July 11, 2014, 02:35:17 pm
http://www.wattpad.com/8704902-the-purple-eye-disease-alexandria-genesis (http://www.wattpad.com/8704902-the-purple-eye-disease-alexandria-genesis)
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Alexandria Genesis (Purple eye disease)?
I have heard of this disease called the purple eye disease (Alexandria Genesis). There has been debates about whether it's real or not. It's called Alexandria Genesis because there was supposedly a woman in 1329 London that had the disease and it was named after her. Characteristics of the disease are as follows:
-Blue or gray eyes that deepen in color and turn purple during puberty
-No facial or body hair other than the hair you're born with (eyebrows, eyelashes, hair on head, nostrils)
-Dark brown or black hair
-Fair skin that doesn't burn or tan
-Lack of menstruation cycle (in women)
-Little or no bowel movement<br />-Very strong immune system (able to resist every disease known to man)
-Long life span
-Perfect 20/20 vision
-Never overweight (metabolism prevents gaining too much fat)
-Well developed and proportioned body

Quote
You may also think that if someone has this disease that they would want to show themselves to the world to prove the public wrong, so why wouldn't they? Considering how scientist do not know much about this disease and how ruthless our world is today, I believe people with the purple eye disease wouldn't want to put themselves in the public eye to be judged and to keep themselves safe; in fear that they will have research done on them against their will simply because an individual possesses something so rare. You may think that this is not true or that this theory that I have concluded is insane. It's not

Quote
The government controls certain things and they have the ability to make it possible to wipe someone's identity off the face of the earth. Just like a person who practices telekinesis and excels extremely well in the skill of moving objects with their mind. They hide this skill from the public because if news of this extraordinary talent were to reach the government, they would be taken in for testing. This is why many people do not believe in telekinesis; because once the public knows, the public talks, and the government wants to keep society as normal as possible. "abnormal" people keep their unusual abilities and traits hidden from the public, and those that do step into the light are very careful in what they show and inform the public of

Its the Guv'ment!!
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on July 11, 2014, 03:52:56 pm
The guv'ment recruit purple eyed people with telekinetic abilities as spies.

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pyromanik on July 13, 2014, 08:33:31 pm
I think my question would be...

Is it technically a disease at all if it turns you into the perfect human?

There must be a down side to put someone at dis-ease.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Gutty on July 26, 2014, 09:07:54 pm
http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/busted-mh-17-was-in-fact-lost-flight-mh.html?m=0 (http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/busted-mh-17-was-in-fact-lost-flight-mh.html?m=0)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bounty Hunter on July 26, 2014, 11:53:21 pm
[url]http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/busted-mh-17-was-in-fact-lost-flight-mh.html?m=0[/url] ([url]http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/busted-mh-17-was-in-fact-lost-flight-mh.html?m=0[/url])


Comparing photos on social media to photos on social media.

Definitely conspiracy.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Gutty on July 27, 2014, 01:33:13 am
yup, had to chuckle at the rest of the website
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pyromanik on July 27, 2014, 10:07:41 am
Article full of derp and lols, but one point resonates true (well, at least the reference material).
The link didn't point directly to it, but with a bit of google fu:
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/20/what-did-us-spy-satellites-see-in-ukraine/ (http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/20/what-did-us-spy-satellites-see-in-ukraine/)

An actual fucking conspiracy.

(... theory.)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on July 27, 2014, 11:15:03 am
[url]http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/busted-mh-17-was-in-fact-lost-flight-mh.html?m=0[/url] ([url]http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/busted-mh-17-was-in-fact-lost-flight-mh.html?m=0[/url])


That pisses me off, completely disrespectful to everyone who died on that flight. But loonies will be loonies I guess.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Oddball on July 28, 2014, 01:24:41 am
I have a conspiracy theory that christianity was formed as a way to control people using superstition and fear.

Wait, that's not a theory.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Pyromanik on July 28, 2014, 03:45:52 am
I could agree with that, except that it's far more likely to be a bit more ironic and has _evolved_ into that. Religion, as with most things airy fairy, is a meak attempt to explain the unknown.
Then some cunt got into power with it.
And used that power to keep himself there.
etc.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Oddball on July 29, 2014, 02:55:52 pm
While you aren't inherently wrong, you are still wrong.

If you replace 'christianity' with 'religion', then yes. Allow me to elaborate.

All dates are approximate in a large way.
3000 BC - religion explains the unknown, therefore filling a void - eg - horus the sun-god

0 BC - religion is used to control people and provide a way to glorify genocide for the sake of greed in a manner that people wont contest, meanwhile preying on their superstition and the fact that religion is used to explain the unknown, therefore filling a void - eg - catholics

2014 AD - religion exists to provide the emotionally needy with love and comfort via the use of an adult-size imaginary friend due to the realization that their existence is worthless, therefore filling a void.. except, now it also creates an alternate void, for religion to exist science has to be inhibited. - eg - christianity

Everyone knows that void is null, right?

Thinking has an unfortunate side-effect of generating knowledge or conclusions, and it isn't all pretty which is why certain religious practitioners don't like to do it - did you know that children don't ever go evil/bad as they grow up? Good, bad, evil, only exist to summarize a lack of morality or ethical practice as perceived by a majority. Any literal use can pretty much be contributed to certain religions claiming you'll go to hell if you're bad or evil. But even using it in that sense, my statement is correct because people are born with no sense of right and wrong, they either develop that or they don't but one way or another they develop a sense in that regard that isn't always ideal in regards to the customs of society.

I therefore propose that people no longer be referred to as evil, or bad, but as overly eccentric. And remember if your children want to take heroin, practice religion, or murder people, they are still people who need to be loved; forgoing this requirement is how Hitler happened.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Xsannz on July 29, 2014, 03:10:55 pm
here is another Theory

http://worldtruth.tv/mh-17-was-in-fact-the-lost-flight-mh-370/ (http://worldtruth.tv/mh-17-was-in-fact-the-lost-flight-mh-370/)
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Oddball on July 29, 2014, 03:42:24 pm
[url]http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/busted-mh-17-was-in-fact-lost-flight-mh.html?m=0[/url] ([url]http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/busted-mh-17-was-in-fact-lost-flight-mh.html?m=0[/url])


here is another Theory

[url]http://worldtruth.tv/mh-17-was-in-fact-the-lost-flight-mh-370/[/url] ([url]http://worldtruth.tv/mh-17-was-in-fact-the-lost-flight-mh-370/[/url])


You have

FAILED

The internet.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on July 29, 2014, 04:43:42 pm
Here's another theory.

http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/busted-mh-17-was-in-fact-lost-flight-mh.html?m=0 (http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/busted-mh-17-was-in-fact-lost-flight-mh.html?m=0)

and

http://worldtruth.tv/mh-17-was-in-fact-the-lost-flight-mh-370/ (http://worldtruth.tv/mh-17-was-in-fact-the-lost-flight-mh-370/)

are actually the same theory, but the government is trying to cover it up. Xsannz works for the NSA. He reads your emails and watches you sleep.


Oddball clearly works for the KGB
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Retardobot on July 29, 2014, 05:00:45 pm
Horus wasn't the sun-god. He was THE sky. His right eye was said to be the sun while his left was the moon.

Ra was seen as being 'a' sun deity, however this depends on who he was fused with at the time.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on July 29, 2014, 05:23:53 pm
Ra was a Goa'uld.

The government covered it up.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Oddball on July 29, 2014, 05:29:05 pm
Horus wasn't the sun-god. He was THE sky. His right eye was said to be the sun while his left was the moon.

Ra was seen as being 'a' sun deity, however this depends on who he was fused with at the time.

Your mistake was assuming that I think when I type.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Retardobot on July 29, 2014, 05:36:07 pm
You'll call out others when wrong but will shirt responsibilty when you're called out. No wonder no one wants to hire you.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on July 29, 2014, 05:41:13 pm
You'll call out others when wrong but will shirt responsibilty when you're called out. No wonder no one wants to hire you.

I read this as "will shit responsibility"

Because that is totally the kind of thing I would expect Retardobot to post.

And Oddball does shit responsibility.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Oddball on July 29, 2014, 05:53:56 pm
To be honest I'm not really sure what responsibility is. I can use it in a sentence but I can't define it.

Well, one time I did shit a retardobot and now he's here. I think responsibility is the correct word to use?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Retardobot on July 29, 2014, 05:56:44 pm
Where are you getting the impression that no one wants to hire me

I refuse to go back and quote all 1480 of your posts.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Oddball on July 29, 2014, 06:22:26 pm
Where are you getting the impression that no one wants to hire me

I refuse to go back and quote all 1480 of your posts.

Isn't there some way I can persuade you? *wiggles penis*
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Xsannz on July 29, 2014, 09:29:36 pm
Oddball is now on holiday...
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on July 29, 2014, 09:32:47 pm
Deserves a custom title I say.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bounty Hunter on July 29, 2014, 10:11:34 pm
Oddball is now on holiday...

He could still make an alt account?

And try other using someone elses computer?
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Speakman on July 29, 2014, 10:12:55 pm
Oddball is now on holiday...

He could still make an alt account?

And try other using someone elses computer?

You say it like it wouldn't be completely obvious
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bounty Hunter on July 30, 2014, 07:12:12 am
You say it like it wouldn't be completely obvious

It would be really crappy if virt were to read this and try it himself.

Then Xsannz would have to ban him all over again!
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Xsannz on July 30, 2014, 07:16:04 am
Last time i got into a Ban loop was with MCC...

but then MCC had followers...  Oddball has transcended beyond just trolling.

He has been banned for 30 days, but then the admins have done some trickery to hide anything he says :), so he could come back as an ALT, they always do even MCC did.. but half the fun is banning them again

Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Retardobot on July 30, 2014, 10:25:58 am
Sigh...

Did you actually ban him? Banning is not fun. Watching them make idiots of themselves is fun. And watching them post when they don't realise their posts just come out as lumpy turds is fun.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Xsannz on July 30, 2014, 02:15:14 pm
Sigh...

Did you actually ban him? Banning is not fun. Watching them make idiots of themselves is fun. And watching them post when they don't realise their posts just come out as lumpy turds is fun.

no not actual ban...  its in the ban list but its a trickery that last 30 days where his posts become something else
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on July 30, 2014, 02:23:48 pm
Monkeys.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on July 30, 2014, 02:26:56 pm
Amaze!

It is a website all about monkeys.

http://www.monkeys.us/ (http://www.monkeys.us/)

Why is this not the website I'm looking at all the time?!

(http://iforce.co.nz/i/ygwotrnu.t20.jpg)

Title: Obama is a 32nd degree Prince Hall Mason Luciferian
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Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Bounty Hunter on August 08, 2014, 10:41:52 am
Duh, but Rothschild takes the decision of the people into account when he decides.
Title: Science: Redheads Are Now An Endangered Species, Extinct By 2060
Post by: Tiwaking! on August 29, 2014, 03:44:47 pm
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Science: Redheads Are Now An Endangered Species, Extinct By 2060
(TopNews) – According to scientists at the National Geographic, redheads are a dying breed.  Soon, the world will be free of ‘gingers’.  If predictions of the world’s top scientists prove correct, this mass extinction will take place within the next 100 years.

National Geographic reports that only two percent of the world’s population has natural red hair, coincidentally the same percentage of people on Earth who ascribe to atheism.

The future does not bode well for these deviants to normal human coding, their beliefs and genetic bauplan the product of mutations that took place in Europe thousands of years ago.

At one point in time, genotypes coding for red hair and pale skin were advantageous for human survival.  The scant sunlight in specific European regions meant that having a photosensitive body that readily absorbed sunlight, and thus produced higher levels of Vitamin D, were great for survival.

But as global warming takes place and more ultraviolet radiation comes to Earth, redheads are now in a hostile environment.  Their pale skin is more prone to cancer and their chances for survival dwindle, to the point that some scientists predict there will be no redheads on Earth by the year 2060.
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Author: Haywood Bynum III
Leading the charge of faith at Bible Fellowship Church.
Title: Re: Conspiracy Theories : You decide.
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on August 30, 2014, 06:11:31 am
So what that article is saying, it that all redheads are atheists?

And they are doomed.

Got it.
Title: Ebola, truth or dare?!
Post by: Tiwaking! on October 19, 2014, 12:21:23 pm
http://ebolahoax.com/ (http://ebolahoax.com/)

All Ebola outbreaks are staged EVENTS!
Exposing the Ebola Hoax!!
Title: Re: Ebola, truth or dare?!
Post by: Bounty Hunter on October 19, 2014, 12:37:39 pm
[url]http://ebolahoax.com/[/url] ([url]http://ebolahoax.com/[/url])

All Ebola outbreaks are staged EVENTS!
Exposing the Ebola Hoax!!


Amazing.
Title: Yellow Communist Marriage Peril!
Post by: Tiwaking! on December 20, 2014, 03:41:42 pm
Do not date Chinese Women!! They attempt to penetrate American house and never forget PEARL HARBOR!!!
http://www.lovelovechina.com/dating/dating-chinese-dangers/ (http://www.lovelovechina.com/dating/dating-chinese-dangers/)
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The Dangers Of Dating A Communist Yellow

Foreign invaders are trying to penetrate our beautiful God given land by way of promises of a submissive and obedient house wife. You see, modern American women have been brainwashed into thinking they are equals to males and they think they can leave the house and pursue careers. While doing this they leave the American household empty and cold. No dishes are done, dinner is made in a microwave, children grow up without mother figures and the common wife is now known to be 87% more likely to have cheating affairs.

The communist Chinese have caught onto this disruption of the American home and are now showboating their unwanted female population at American men. They promise if they pay for their green card they in return will be perfect house wifes. They promise they will fulfill any needs the man wants and will keep their mouths shut and kitchens clean.

Here is the danger my friends. Commies and especially their female breed are vile creators. They all plot the destruction of American from within. As Abe Lincoln said, America can only be destroyed from within and the Chinese know this, as they failed to take over America in the 1940’s, when they attacked Pearl Harbor. So instead of sending death gliders over, they want to send death concubines to take over the role of the American housewife. They want them to raise your children learning their high pitched ugly language and teach them to hate anything Red, White and Blue.

So before you are sucked into sites that promise “American love for 5 dorrah”, remember, you could be importing a possible terrorist and by doing so, you yourself are a part of the downfall of America.

Don’t be tempted by blogs or dating sites that show off plump breasted, model typed oriental females, Yes, their skin is smooth and their almond eyes are quite alluring. But, the knife they want to wield into the back of America is not worth it and your soul will burn in hell for all of eternity if you fiddle around with these yellow, American hating prostitutes.

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Youth Pastor
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Title: Dungeons and Dragons is satan
Post by: Tiwaking! on December 26, 2014, 05:53:38 pm
I knew all of you roleplayers were satan spawn devil loving baal worshippers!
http://www.chick.com/articles/dnd.asp (http://www.chick.com/articles/dnd.asp)
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Straight Talk on Dungeons and Dragons

By William Schnoebelen

Should a Christian play D&D? Schnoebelen's first 'Straight Talk' on D&D (at left) raised lots of questions. Here are his well-researched answers on this controversy.
Dungeons and Dragons is a tragic and tangled subject. It is essentially a feeding program for occultism and witchcraft. For Christians, the first scriptural problem is the fact that Dungeons and Dragons violates the commandment of I Ths. 5:22 "Abstain from all appearance of evil." Much of the trappings, art, figurines, and writing within D&D certainly appears evil-to say the least of it.
Title: America attacks China!
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 06, 2015, 09:28:35 pm
http://www.naturalnews.com/050816_Tianjin_explosion_space-based_weapons_military_retaliation.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/050816_Tianjin_explosion_space-based_weapons_military_retaliation.html)
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BOMBSHELL: China and America already at war: Tianjin explosion carried out by Pentagon space weapon in retaliation for Yuan currency devaluation... Military helicopters now patrolling Beijing

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Title: Cosmic Disclosure -
Post by: Tiwaking! on September 16, 2016, 07:11:58 am
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Title: Re: Cosmic Disclosure -
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on September 19, 2016, 08:44:43 am
Global Galactic League Of Nations Group.

You mean the GGLONG?!