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Title: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Gutty on March 19, 2015, 11:15:24 pm
http://www.gamespresso.com/2015/03/19/gabe-newell-and-future-valve-games/ (http://www.gamespresso.com/2015/03/19/gabe-newell-and-future-valve-games/)

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In regards to a future Half-Life game, Newell says,  “If you want to do another Half-Life game and you want to ignore everything we’ve learned, [in shipping Portal 2 and all the multilayer updates], that seems like a bad choice.  So, we’ll keep moving forward, but that doesn’t necessarily always mean what people are worried that it might mean.”


Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on March 20, 2015, 05:39:03 am
Ignore everything they’ve learned.. what?

His glasses are too small for his head.
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Meesham on March 20, 2015, 08:58:56 am
I'm starting to have a real problem with Valve: their lack of structure, and this is a prime example. Their lack of management and everyone doing what they want was great when it was a small company, it allows people to be dynamic and put their energy into stuff that they enjoy, but now that it's a larger company (around 350 staff) I don't think it works any more. Look at how shit their support is (who'd want to deal with a bunch of whiny gamers if you didn't have to?) and how much they've pretty much left TF2 to stagnate.
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on March 20, 2015, 09:12:52 am
It's just a cover, they appear inept and disorganised just to mislead us, when actually they're all secretly working on HL3 and it WILL BE THE BEST GAME EVER MADE.

In fact, after HL3, no one will bother making any other games because everyone will just be playing HL3 for the rest of time. Everyone will play it so much, they will quit their jobs, stop eating and die playing it.

Forget climate change and nuclear wars, HL3 will bring about the end of humanity.

Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: The Demon Lord on March 20, 2015, 10:48:30 am
Don't leave us hanging GabeN
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Retardobot on March 20, 2015, 11:02:20 am
If you read the article, you can kind of side with him.

His reasonings for not taking up any sequels is that he wants his teams to have the narrative first, then find a carrier for the narrative. Not take a game and then try and figure out how they can make a new iteration of it. Doing this this way ensures you have a title that is engaging and worth the development.

However, the loyal fans have made him and his Steam what it is, and his constant "go fuck yourself, we're doing what we want" has grown tired.

I hope all this means that they are working on new IP.
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Xsannz on March 20, 2015, 11:12:15 am
It's just a cover, they appear inept and disorganised just to mislead us, when actually they're all secretly working on HL3 and it WILL BE THE BEST GAME EVER MADE.

In fact, after HL3, no one will bother making any other games because everyone will just be playing HL3 for the rest of time. Everyone will play it so much, they will quit their jobs, stop eating and die playing it.

Forget climate change and nuclear wars, HL3 will bring about the end of humanity.

perhaps the dev team played the internal Alpha of HL3 and kept playing it so much they stopped creating the product.
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Retardobot on March 20, 2015, 12:10:12 pm
I remember GabeN also reporting that the Valve team were absolutely sick of working on Half Life. That they had been run into the ground with the amount of titles they had pumped out and it was beginning to show.

If you count up the amount of versions, there's a shit-ton:

Half Life
Half Life: Opposing Force
Half Life: Blue Shift
Half Life: Decay
Half Life: Counter-Strike
Half Life 2
Half Life 2: Deathmatch
Half Life 2: Lost Coast
Half Life 2: Episode 1
Half Life 2: Episode 2

And then there's Counter-Strike Source and Counter-Strike: Global Operations.

Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Scunner on March 20, 2015, 12:21:54 pm
I remember GabeN also reporting that the Valve team were absolutely sick of working on Half Life. That they had been run into the ground with the amount of titles they had pumped out and it was beginning to show.

If you count up the amount of versions, there's a shit-ton:

Half Life
Half Life: Opposing Force
Half Life: Blue Shift
Half Life: Decay
Half Life: Counter-Strike
Half Life 2
Half Life 2: Deathmatch
Half Life 2: Lost Coast
Half Life 2: Episode 1
Half Life 2: Episode 2

And then there's Counter-Strike Source and Counter-Strike: Global Operations.

I remember reading the Half Life expansions were done by other developers. Pretty sure Gearbox did one, at least.


I'm not entirely sure I care about a Half Life 3 being released any more, but I do need something, anything, to complete the story from the end of Episode 2.
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Gutty on March 20, 2015, 12:40:21 pm
Black mesa is another one


Opposing forces never worked like they wanted.

I think they could make money of a few more hl2 episodes.  Id still buy it and play it.
Hl2 and even a replay of hl1 on the new engine is good.

More halflife series over the overhyped battlefield series will always win me over
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Pigdog on March 20, 2015, 01:06:14 pm
I would be pretty happy with another left 4 dead.
Or portal.
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Lias on March 20, 2015, 02:57:19 pm
Yep can easily live without HL3, but mad keen on LFD3
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Pigdog on March 20, 2015, 05:40:03 pm




Triskaphobia- fear of the number Three
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: toofast on March 20, 2015, 06:34:17 pm
Yep can easily live without HL3, but mad keen on LFD3

Same here.
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: The Demon Lord on March 20, 2015, 08:01:19 pm
Yep can easily live without HL3, but mad keen on LFD3

I dunno - I still yearn for HL3 - whilst L4D2 was fun (clocked heaps of hours on that) where would you go in L4D3?
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Bell on March 21, 2015, 01:54:00 pm
Sorta hard to give a fuck about making another hit PC game when your platform gets %30 of all hit game revenue anyways.
Title: HL3 Online
Post by: Tiwaking! on March 21, 2015, 02:14:44 pm
In fact, after HL3, no one will bother making any other games because everyone will just be playing HL3 for the rest of time. Everyone will play it so much, they will quit their jobs, stop eating and die playing it.

Forget climate change and nuclear wars, HL3 will bring about the end of humanity.
Half Life 3 will be Half Life - Online

Like .Hack or Sword Art Online
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Pyromanik on March 22, 2015, 10:59:18 am
I'm starting to have a real problem with Valve: their lack of structure, and this is a prime example. Their lack of management and everyone doing what they want was great when it was a small company, it allows people to be dynamic and put their energy into stuff that they enjoy, but now that it's a larger company (around 350 staff) I don't think it works any more. Look at how shit their support is (who'd want to deal with a bunch of whiny gamers if you didn't have to?) and how much they've pretty much left TF2 to stagnate.

I'm starting to have a real problem with you: your lack of correctness, and this is a prime example. Your lack of thought and just typing what you want was great when you were a small timer, it allowed opinions to be dynamic and focus their energy on stuff that was enjoyable, but now that you're a server admin (around 20 players) I don't think it works anymore. Look at how shit your argument is (who'd want to read such drivel if they didn't have to?) and how much you've kepted on with TF2 into stagnation.
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Pyromanik on March 22, 2015, 11:05:53 am
I remember GabeN also reporting that the Valve team were absolutely sick of working on Half Life. That they had been run into the ground with the amount of titles they had pumped out and it was beginning to show.

If you count up the amount of versions, there's a shit-ton:

Half Life
Half Life: Opposing Force
Half Life: Blue Shift
Half Life: Decay
Half Life: Counter-Strike
Half Life 2
Half Life 2: Deathmatch
Half Life 2: Lost Coast
Half Life 2: Episode 1
Half Life 2: Episode 2

And then there's Counter-Strike Source and Counter-Strike: Global Operations.

I remember reading the Half Life expansions were done by other developers. Pretty sure Gearbox did one, at least.


I'm not entirely sure I care about a Half Life 3 being released any more, but I do need something, anything, to complete the story from the end of Episode 2.

All of them were done by Gearbox. Valve did half life, and HL2+extras.
Can't say that they wouldn't have exterted some kind of input & control over their IP though. So there is that I guess.




Also, the sooner everyone realises Ep2 WAS the end, the better off everyone will be. The brain suckers came in, took Alex, and killed Gordon. The end. The combine won.
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on March 22, 2015, 04:03:54 pm
Yeah, all hail our combine overlords!
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Xenolightning on March 22, 2015, 09:17:17 pm
Also, the sooner everyone realises Ep2 WAS the end, the better off everyone will be. The brain suckers came in, took Alex, and killed Gordon. The end. The combine won.
Spoilers. Fuck.
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Meesham on March 22, 2015, 10:15:06 pm
I'm starting to have a real problem with Valve: their lack of structure, and this is a prime example. Their lack of management and everyone doing what they want was great when it was a small company, it allows people to be dynamic and put their energy into stuff that they enjoy, but now that it's a larger company (around 350 staff) I don't think it works any more. Look at how shit their support is (who'd want to deal with a bunch of whiny gamers if you didn't have to?) and how much they've pretty much left TF2 to stagnate.


I'm starting to have a real problem with you: your lack of correctness, and this is a prime example. Your lack of thought and just typing what you want was great when you were a small timer, it allowed opinions to be dynamic and focus their energy on stuff that was enjoyable, but now that you're a server admin (around 20 players) I don't think it works anymore. Look at how shit your argument is (who'd want to read such drivel if they didn't have to?) and how much you've kepted on with TF2 into stagnation.


You don't specify where I'm incorrect and just insult the game I still enjoy... OK then.

Read the Valve new employee handbook: https://www.valvesoftware.com/company/Valve_Handbook_LowRes.pdf (https://www.valvesoftware.com/company/Valve_Handbook_LowRes.pdf)
and then how it's actually a bit cliquey and according to a former employee (which granted wouldn't be unbiased) is difficult to get anything done: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/09/valve-management-jeri-ellsworth (http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/09/valve-management-jeri-ellsworth)
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Retardobot on March 23, 2015, 10:42:11 am
Steam is love. Steam is life.

However, I've read a few experiences that indie devs have had with Steam and how they are strong armed by Valve when using Steam as a distribution platform.

Valve is the Pixar of the video game world. Produces amazing results, but pumps out sequel after sequel.
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: The Demon Lord on March 23, 2015, 11:59:51 am
Valve is the Pixar of the video game world. Produces amazing results, but pumps out sequel after sequel.

Not True

I saw Toy Story 3 - and it was awesome

I have not seen HL3
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Pyromanik on March 24, 2015, 09:04:36 am
I'm starting to have a real problem with Valve: their lack of structure, and this is a prime example. Their lack of management and everyone doing what they want was great when it was a small company, it allows people to be dynamic and put their energy into stuff that they enjoy, but now that it's a larger company (around 350 staff) I don't think it works any more. Look at how shit their support is (who'd want to deal with a bunch of whiny gamers if you didn't have to?) and how much they've pretty much left TF2 to stagnate.


I'm starting to have a real problem with you: your lack of correctness, and this is a prime example. Your lack of thought and just typing what you want was great when you were a small timer, it allowed opinions to be dynamic and focus their energy on stuff that was enjoyable, but now that you're a server admin (around 20 players) I don't think it works anymore. Look at how shit your argument is (who'd want to read such drivel if they didn't have to?) and how much you've kepted on with TF2 into stagnation.


You don't specify where I'm incorrect and just insult the game I still enjoy... OK then.

Read the Valve new employee handbook: [url]https://www.valvesoftware.com/company/Valve_Handbook_LowRes.pdf[/url] ([url]https://www.valvesoftware.com/company/Valve_Handbook_LowRes.pdf[/url])
and then how it's actually a bit cliquey and according to a former employee (which granted wouldn't be unbiased) is difficult to get anything done: [url]http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/09/valve-management-jeri-ellsworth[/url] ([url]http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/09/valve-management-jeri-ellsworth[/url])


nibble nibble

CHOMP CHOMP
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Clin on March 24, 2015, 01:51:56 pm
HL3 will be a disaster if it ever eventuates. The fans expectations couldn't possibly be met.
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Retardobot on March 24, 2015, 07:08:36 pm
HL3 will be a disaster if it ever eventuates. The fans expectations couldn't possibly be met.

If based GabeN ever had secret plans to make it, then it's his own fault for putting it off for so long.
Title: Re: GabeN telling us how it is..
Post by: Pyromanik on March 26, 2015, 08:01:18 am
HL3 will be a disaster if it ever eventuates. The fans expectations couldn't possibly be met.

At least the guy who made the mentalist recognised the fact himself.
After drawing out the same plot for 7 seasons he's all "fans will be disappoint, son"

(yeah, alright, I might have paraphrased a bit)