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Title: Ukraine protests
Post by: prolax on January 22, 2014, 12:02:24 pm
Anyone been following this over the last couple of days?

Some live streams i'm aware of at the moment;

Euromaidan Streams on USTREAM: I will try to broadcast time to time from the Euromaidan and Grushevskogo. Breaking News (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ivandaniluk-s-show#)

#EuroMajdan on USTREAM: Dear friends, we've been on air 24/7 since 27 november without a single break. To continue broadcasting, we need your financial hel... (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/#)

^this one's laggy atm
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: Clin on January 24, 2014, 04:49:31 pm
I did a crash course last night. It's all pretty insane. The videos of the special forces getting molotov'd were scary. I went to GCSB protests last year thinking I was "being active" when really I'm just living in paradise.

I've read that the new anti protest laws brought through over there were voted on by show of hands and the count was estimated. The Ukrainian Parliament are supposed to use a digital voting system for official records, but I guess they're past that.

Infographic of new Ukrainian anti protest laws (http://i.imgur.com/1ZXXtKn.jpg)
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: Arnifix on January 25, 2014, 12:17:51 pm
Did you see the ones where the special forces were THROWING the molotovs? Some absolute bullshit going on over there for sure.
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: BeNZene on January 29, 2014, 07:40:30 am
Ukraine PM (but not the President) has resigned, and anti-protest law has been scrapped. Sounds like some success for the protesters?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11193342 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11193342)
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: Pyromanik on January 29, 2014, 07:48:00 am
Not for the reason they were protesting in the first place... :/
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: Pyromanik on February 21, 2014, 09:10:53 am
Oh man, things have escalated as I feared they would. It's a full scale revolution now.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73118000/jpg/_73118038_73118036.jpg)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26280710 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26280710)

Apparently a truce is in the works... we'll see :/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26267220 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26267220)

Yeah nah collapsed like a house of cards.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26269221 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26269221)
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: BeNZene on February 21, 2014, 04:40:31 pm
Sounds and looks bloody awful.
http://mashable.com/2014/02/20/photos-kiev-truce-protests/ (http://mashable.com/2014/02/20/photos-kiev-truce-protests/)
 
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: Growler on February 21, 2014, 04:48:27 pm
wow, stunning images. What a complete clusterfuck of a scenario, and there really aint an end in view!
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: BeNZene on February 21, 2014, 05:40:20 pm
This could just be the start:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/20/ukraine-protests-spread-from-kiev (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/20/ukraine-protests-spread-from-kiev)

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Fears have grown that the entire country is moving closer to widespread civil violence after a televised warning by Oleksandr Yakimenko, head of the state security service, the SBU. "In many regions of the country, municipal buildings, offices of the interior ministry, state security and the prosecutor general, army units and arms depots are being seized," he said.

The SBU said 1,500 guns and tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition had been seized in the last few days, though the figures could not be independently confirmed. Some opposition activists denied that weapons had been taken.



Scary thought - if the pro-EU opposition was winning, at what point might Russia send troops in?  And would other countries send troops too?
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: Lias on February 21, 2014, 05:44:44 pm
Scary thought - if the pro-EU opposition was winning, at what point might Russia send troops in?  And would other countries send troops too?

I think Russia might, I doubt Nato would.
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: Pyromanik on February 22, 2014, 09:05:05 am
This could just be the start:
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/20/ukraine-protests-spread-from-kiev[/url] ([url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/20/ukraine-protests-spread-from-kiev[/url])

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Fears have grown that the entire country is moving closer to widespread civil violence after a televised warning by Oleksandr Yakimenko, head of the state security service, the SBU. "In many regions of the country, municipal buildings, offices of the interior ministry, state security and the prosecutor general, army units and arms depots are being seized," he said.

The SBU said 1,500 guns and tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition had been seized in the last few days, though the figures could not be independently confirmed. Some opposition activists denied that weapons had been taken.



Scary thought - if the pro-EU opposition was winning, at what point might Russia send troops in?  And would other countries send troops too?


Russia won't send troops unless the EU support is also forceful. Especially with the olympics.
But considering half of Ukraine is full of Russians, I imagine Russia would step in to protect them if it really came down to it. Otherwise I think they're more interested in keeping their noses clean at the moment.

It's getting closer and closer to a division of the country, such as like Berlin (only perhaps without a wall) where 'Western Ukraine' sides with the EU and 'Eastern Ukraine' absorbs back into Russia (totally, as in becomes Russia).

But half the issue is that there are militants running around causing shit unrelated to the truth behind the protests in the first place. Neo-facists (nazis) etc. We all know how peaceful the protests started. And it was amazing it continued on as long as it did without incident. Reading back will reveal much more interesting information, as now the issues are all muddied and mixed together. Eg. there's now a truce and scheduled election, etc. But extreme right 'leaders' are saying if the President doesn't step down in the next few days they will invade, WITH firearms.

The first external influence to inject troops, for whatever reason (eg. peacekeeping), will likely end up wiht an extremely negative spin in internal and external media. 'Meddling', etc. Or seen as trying to sway the result, etc. No one wants that.

The root of the issue is politics. So talks and mediation are the way forward for now. But that could change.
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: BeNZene on February 23, 2014, 08:46:29 am
Big moves overnight
- Parliament claims to vote out President
- New Elections in May
- President's arch rival released from Prison
- Some of President's supports have fled to Russia

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/9754327/Ukraine-protesters-take-Kiev-president-says-coup (http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/9754327/Ukraine-protesters-take-Kiev-president-says-coup)

Also this is the arch rival:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DanfavB1TTU/UL4Go0NA3YI/AAAAAAAAF4I/qg8EqVkkFeU/s1600/FullC22289D2011-01-01.jpg.png)
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: prolax on February 23, 2014, 10:14:24 am
and this is President Yanukovich's house;
http://zyalt.livejournal.com/1007568.html (http://zyalt.livejournal.com/1007568.html)
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: EnjoyTheSauce on February 23, 2014, 12:44:04 pm
Sure pays to be in Russia's pocket. That is the most opulent shit I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: Lias on February 23, 2014, 04:46:31 pm
Also this is the arch rival:

I know.. she's 53 and I would bang the fuck out of that ;-P
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: Pyromanik on February 23, 2014, 11:48:24 pm
Yeh she looks fit, but can be scorpian tailed I hear.
Plus the Princess Leia look never really did anything for me, personally.

I liked Timoshekno, thought she was jailed out of some bullshit corruption charges, but more importantly by corrupt folks angling for a look in, which they succeeded at. Now the country is how it is. So we'll see how this goes now.

On the other hand, she's not all that popular because of the gas deal she signed, spun by the current president to be seen as out for herself, lining her pockets, etc. And she was found guilty after all...

I've heard bullshit reports about all kinds of stuff, so it's hard to know what's really going on. I've heard reports about her inciting the protesters to carry on, and not to leave their occupations until they've won. So I've also heard that spun to be inciting more fighting, although I don't think that's what she meant.

In the longer term, when the election comes I think she could be a "better than the other one" vote, but her popularity may have well changed by then to be the 'yes please' kind. Will be interesting to see how it goes in the end.

Especially since the president's house grounds have been opened up for all Ukrainians to see... there's no way he should be able to afford it, even on a president's salary. Corruption is everywhere in Ukraine, I guess the ultimate outcome here is for a real government who's honest intentions are to improve the country, be for the people etc, not just be corrupt.

Sure pays to be in Russia's pocket. That is the most opulent shit I've ever seen.

Not sure what this is about.
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: Lias on February 24, 2014, 11:42:15 am
Sure pays to be in Russia's pocket. That is the most opulent shit I've ever seen.

Not sure what this is about.

 Yanukovich's "house".. Which from what I've read, is more like an estate.. multiple buildings, car museum, zoo, they found some of the receipts and stuff they couldn't destroy in time dumped partially burnt and dumped in the reservoir. SO far they have receipts for something like 80 million USD worth of stuff for the house.. His official salary was something like USD$100k.. Pretty obvious he was corrupt as fuck (and he is blatantly in Putin's pocket)
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: Lias on February 24, 2014, 01:37:05 pm
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/9757386/The-disgusting-luxury-of-a-president (http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/9757386/The-disgusting-luxury-of-a-president)

Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: prolax on February 24, 2014, 03:11:43 pm
Also this is the arch rival:
([url]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DanfavB1TTU/UL4Go0NA3YI/AAAAAAAAF4I/qg8EqVkkFeU/s1600/FullC22289D2011-01-01.jpg.png[/url])


reminds me of
(http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/8400000/leia-princess-leia-organa-solo-skywalker-8413730-1024-768.jpg)
Title: Viktor Yanukovich Missing
Post by: Tiwaking! on February 25, 2014, 09:09:17 am
I hope he is dead and all his supporters died with him.

And while he is heading that way, he should take Alexander Lukashenko with him.
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Viktor Yanukovich’s whereabouts remained unknown for a third day on Monday, as rumours swirled that Ukraine’s deposed president was hiding out in Crimea, a pro-Moscow stronghold with easy water access to Russia via the Black Sea.

While a few Ukrainian news outlets reported on Sunday night that Mr Yanukovich had succeeded in fleeing the country on his private yacht – the Bandido – by late Monday there were no reports of his arrival at a foreign destination. His options for escape, meanwhile, appeared to be narrowing.

edit: Pyromaniks Post
Yeh she looks fit, but can be scorpian tailed I hear.
Plus the Princess Leia look never really did anything for me, personally.

I liked Timoshekno, thought she was jailed out of some bullshit corruption charges, but more importantly by corrupt folks angling for a look in, which they succeeded at. Now the country is how it is. So we'll see how this goes now.

She and her husband opposed Russia's extortion fees for Oil. The official charges are that she was paid to do so.

Why would someone be paid money (considerably less money too) to not be paid money from someone else? The charges are ridiculous.


Then again, New Zealand spies on its own citizens and allows Foreign Powers to trample on peoples rights so, judge not less yea be judged I suppose
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: BeNZene on March 01, 2014, 06:37:59 pm
So Russia has invaded:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26379722 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26379722)

Footage on the news showed APC's, helicopters and armed troops.  Have a friend who lives in the Ukraine, kinda hoping this turns out just to be posturing.
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: Speakman on March 01, 2014, 07:05:55 pm
They have indeed:

Russian Attack choppers coming over the Border:
http://theaviationist.com/2014/02/28/crimea-russian-choppers/ (http://theaviationist.com/2014/02/28/crimea-russian-choppers/)
http://theaviationist.com/2014/02/28/ukraine-mi-24-hinds/ (http://theaviationist.com/2014/02/28/ukraine-mi-24-hinds/)

Airfield that the Russkis have taken:
http://theaviationist.com/2014/02/28/belbek-airport-unknown-troops/ (http://theaviationist.com/2014/02/28/belbek-airport-unknown-troops/)
Title: Ukraine invaded by Russia
Post by: Tiwaking! on March 01, 2014, 08:40:19 pm
News Reports:
Russia invading Ukraine - says Kiev (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyTP1j_cdMc#ws)
The Euromaidan Facebook has been keeping track of actions, but they cant keep up with the news
https://www.facebook.com/emaidanua (https://www.facebook.com/emaidanua)

This isnt going to be like Georgia/South Ossetian War. This is International

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war)
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: Clin on March 02, 2014, 06:21:06 pm
How far could RUS possibly push this while still saying, "What? I'm not touching you. I'm not. Guys I'm not touching him".
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: prolax on March 02, 2014, 10:05:53 pm
decent & recent updates here;
http://www.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi/ (http://www.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi/)
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on March 03, 2014, 01:17:08 pm
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cZl-MTYltpQ/TnaugVFdW5I/AAAAAAAAA9k/hHboN5ulJJw/s1600/406px-Risk-dice-example.jpg)
Title: Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun
Post by: Tiwaking! on March 03, 2014, 02:36:40 pm
picture of some rubbish game

Kremlin
(http://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic87942.jpg)
Diplomacy
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Diplomacy.svg)
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on March 03, 2014, 04:15:09 pm
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080530224357/cnc/images/9/92/CNCRA2_Install_GWW2.jpg)
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: Pyromanik on March 05, 2014, 09:03:39 am
There's a fuckload of misinformation flying around, and information that's also true, but well out of context.
It angers me.
The hypocracy angers me.
People judging while not knowing shit angers me.
Swinging from one extreme to the other angers me.

Diplomacy is the way forward.
But while the current interim government is basically denouncing half the population of the country, shit ain't gonna get much better.

We only get stories from the EU supported side here. We only see one side, and one slant. The fact is that half the country are either Russian or of Russian descent. Removing Russian as an official language when about 40% or more of the country speak it as a first language is basically saying "fuck you, you're not Ukranian, get out of our country". It's kinda akin to "fuck you, you're not the master race, have a shower and clean yourself up you filthy bastard." (actually nothing like that at all, but that's the kinda extremist rhetoric we're seeing in the news).

There needs to be a policy that encompasses all, being fair and inclusive. Not exclusive. It's not a power battle between EU and Rus, it's about the Ukranian people.

Facist fuckwits using an opportunity to slip in the middle and shout the loudest doesn't help shit, and basically just sends mixed messages, probably from and to both sides.


And once again America (hurrr durr fuck yeah) has to stick their noses in. They're about as far removed from anything to do with the place, and are extremely hypocritical when pointing the finger at Russia's actions.

Overnight we had reports of Russians giving Ukranian govt. some kind of deadline. That deadline came and went and fucking nothing happened. The media is about as full of shit as the wests general understanding of the situation in the first place.

Aid and all that should be given, sure.
Manipulating the outcome of such events should not be an end goal, as it seems with half the players. Protecting the people but giving them the space to come up with their own result is the goal.

Yet the more other countries stick their noses in, the less this happens, and the more they create a self fufilling prophecy. If this keeps up soon the situation will have fuck all to do with the Ukraine at all.

I'm willing to give the Russians the benefit of the dobut and say they're protecting their kinfolk and preventing escalation. I agree that it's a bold move and perhaps they shouldn't have done it, but for now it's peaceful and not much more. Hopefully shit just stays as is and subsides with time.

I surely hope that the US doesn't move in on the west. The only reason for them to be there is because after 10 long years they've failed to extract oil from the middle east, so are looking to the massive pipeline trucking through the Ukraine from Russia.

Ultimately what really needs to happen is some (minimal) democratic aid, and just leave them to it. So long as no one is killing anyone, just let it unfold.

Extremists serve no one but themselves, and unfortunately every conflict has them. What we don't need is that shit getting mixed in with the truths of the matters at hand. Like you can't just ignore half the country when you have a vote because they'd support the folks you don't like. That's not how democracy works. Nor does it work with some external power saying "vote for this chap". That strategy has shown America to be on the 'wrong side of history' so many times before.

It's gotta happen and it's gotta be by the people for the people. Not by the external influences for the people. Just fucking let it happen and stop worrying IMO.

And it's hardly fucking WW3. The media needs to shut the fuck up with all it's rhetoric.
Western world and EU need to take a leaf out of their own book. Can't have diplomacy while ignoring one of the major players. Russia is repeatedly telling the West what they're doing, and simply being ignored/disbelieved. That's what really makes this situation so tense I think.

Nor is punishing their citizens going to make a government do anything differently. But anyway. Butt out and let it happen IMHO.
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: Codex on March 05, 2014, 09:12:19 am
([url]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080530224357/cnc/images/9/92/CNCRA2_Install_GWW2.jpg[/url])

Lol'd, was actually thinking of this yesterday, and every time I played it how italy is about to give that submarine the boot...
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: swindle on March 11, 2014, 04:31:44 pm
This is currently a game of nerves of steel.

Really good subreddit about this - http://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/)

Also some really good footage and unbiased news information from the ground level. About as raw as reporting gets. This guy deserves a medal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNKsLlK52ss (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNKsLlK52ss)

(there are 5 of these dispatch videos, this is the first)

 
Title: Ukraine for Ukrainians
Post by: Tiwaking! on March 11, 2014, 05:02:05 pm
There's a fuckload of misinformation flying around, and information that's also true, but well out of context.
It angers me.
The hypocracy angers me.
Unfortunately I also believe in Ukraine for Ukrainians, and we've got several recent examples of self-determination for countries, notably: Yugoslavia (now Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, Kosovo) and Czechslovakia (Czech Republic and Slovak Republic)
But to say the Crimea would voluntarily secede to the Russians would be a pretty naive statement. In Ukraine, Russians put fear in you. In Soviet Russia: Fear Putin YOU!

"Since 1654, when the tsars began steadily to extend their control over Ukraine, Ukrainians had lived in two distinct worlds: one ruled by the Russians and the other by Poles or Austrians. As a result of the Second World War, the East/West Ukrainian dichotomy finally ceased to exist, at least on the political level. The process of amalgamation—of unification of two long-separated branches of the Ukrainian people—was not only a major aspect of the post-war period, but an event of epochal significance in the history of Ukraine."
—Orest Subtelny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNKsLlK52ss (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNKsLlK52ss)

(there are 5 of these dispatch videos, this is the first)
Jeeze there are some complete thickies in those YouTube comments
"Alexandr Yun16 hours ago
 
Come on Russia!!! Fuck 'em over boys!!!"
"Kilo Bravo8 hours ago
 
Its not a Invasion u stupid bastard."
"RexXflash3011 hours ago
 
It isn't actually a invasion.You should change the title"
"SovietProject198912 hours ago
 
Krym Pen is our russia territory don't touch Obama!"
"Shas'O Kais2 days ago
 
Russia is returning her lands back. Do not resist."
Title: Re: Ukraine protests
Post by: Pyromanik on March 12, 2014, 08:59:10 am
http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2014/02/27/283481587/crimea-a-gift-to-ukraine-becomes-a-political-flash-point (http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2014/02/27/283481587/crimea-a-gift-to-ukraine-becomes-a-political-flash-point)

Crimea has the highest Russian population, to the point of being a majority in most places. It's unsurprising that they want aid from 'the motherland' when shit hits the fan, and extreme rights take over the central (Kiev) government and abolish Russian as an official language, amongst other things.

I saw some interesting things in the paper (letters to editor section) with some actual logical thought, not media regurgitation and agreement.
One of them was along the lines of "so Scotland goes independent. UK has several large submarine bases up there, which would obviously stay with the UK. By Scotland going indepenedent they don't automatically claim ownership of everything that side of the border. Now imagine in about 10+ years time shit hits the fan and there's an uprising and civil unrest. Of course the UK would move in to protect it's assets, it would be a fools errand to let things slip away."

Not saying that Russia is necessarially in the right, but at the same time, not necessarilly in the wrong, other than looking extremely bad and having an imposing feeling. Which is all true, sure. But at the same time the west is all "don't vote for that guy, it's not the guy we want!", only without outright saying it.

I think Crimea should stay with Ukraine. I think shit needs to be worked out.
However I think there needs to be a bit more benefit of the doubt given by all sides.

The West never hesitates when sending in 'peace keeping' forces. I view this as a similar thing. Only it emerged before a new leader was injected, so everyone's all upset about the timing.

Which is understandable. But Russia keep iterating the same thing "this is Ukraine's problem. They've gotta sort it out themselves." which is exactly what the West is saying.

The truth of all the matters, who knows. It's a sad state of affairs all round.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/11/ukraine-the-enemy-of-your-enemy-is-not-always-your-friend/ (http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/11/ukraine-the-enemy-of-your-enemy-is-not-always-your-friend/)


youtube comment, since that's the thing to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOdnE_5-hUA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOdnE_5-hUA)
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alex kuzmenko2 days ago
 
+CoronelSteiner
nobody is invading your country dip shit. Russia and Ukraine have a contract where Russia can have a certain amount of troops present in Crimea. Why are you so aggressive? The recent conflict arised from recent political/economical issues and not act of aggression from Russia. It is true that Russia does not want EU presence in Ukraine that is why it keep close ties with Ukraine economically as an incentive for Ukrainians not to turn to EU. You sound so trigger happy, but it is for the wrong reasons.
Title: Ukrainian Parliament Punch Up
Post by: Tiwaking! on April 09, 2014, 12:52:25 pm
We only get stories from the EU supported side here. We only see one side, and one slant. The fact is that half the country are either Russian or of Russian descent. Removing Russian as an official language when about 40% or more of the country speak it as a first language is basically saying "fuck you, you're not Ukranian, get out of our country". It's kinda akin to "fuck you, you're not the master race, have a shower and clean yourself up you filthy bastard." (actually nothing like that at all, but that's the kinda extremist rhetoric we're seeing in the news).

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/fist-fight-breaks-in-ukraine-parliament-video-5894805 (http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/fist-fight-breaks-in-ukraine-parliament-video-5894805)
http://rt.com/news/scuffle-parliament-ukraine-lawmakers-225/ (http://rt.com/news/scuffle-parliament-ukraine-lawmakers-225/)
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Fistfights in Ukraine’s parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, have been a common sight in recent years, certainly before the ousting of President Viktor Yanukovich. A return to brawling on the parliament floor, instead of in the streets outside, might be a sign that the situation in the country is finally stabilizing. On Tuesday, the scuffle occurred toward the end of a speech by Communist Party leader Pyotr Simonenko, who blamed the current crisis on the nationalists.

The MP accused the Kiev government of being passive in the southeastern regions, where people demand that authorities address their social problems and make Russian a second official language.

Simonenko said that the new government is describing the activists seizing administrative buildings in the eastern cities of Donetsk, Lugansk and Kharkov as “separatists.” And that is while those who were doing exactly the same in western Ukraine before the February coup were referred to as “patriots,” Simonenko said.
I didnt think that Communists still existed. This is 2014 right?

As for Parliament Fights: Ukraine has a long way to go before it catches up with the mighty Taiwan
總統大選2008 Greatest Parliamentary Fights of all time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ-hNVfTZqw#)
Title: When McDonalds Closes, then things are bad
Post by: Tiwaking! on April 22, 2014, 02:41:46 pm
In Free Ukraine, you close to McDonalds
In Soviet Russia, You Close McDonalds
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/22/world/europe/under-russia-life-in-crimea-grows-chaotic.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/22/world/europe/under-russia-life-in-crimea-grows-chaotic.html?_r=0)
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([url]http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/04/22/world/CRIMEA-2/CRIMEA-2-articleLarge.jpg[/url])
McDonald’s has closed its restaurants in Crimea, citing logistical problems after the region was annexed by Russia. Credit James Hill for The New York Times

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Russian laws leave some groups out in the cold. Russia bans methadone to treat heroin addiction, for example. As local supplies dwindle, the daily dosage for 200 patients at the clinic here has been halved.

“It is our death,” said Alexander, 40, declining to identify himself publicly as a recovering addict. Unaware that methadone was illegal in Russia, he voted for annexation.
Title: Re: When McDonalds Closes, then things are bad
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on May 19, 2014, 04:17:00 pm
Unaware that methadone was illegal in Russia, he voted for annexation.


Hahaha, this guy.