Topic: Call to jail parents who break video game age limits

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i completely agree with this, well maybe not jail....but im sick of doing my job under the law...and getting nothing but lies and abuse back from shitty parents who dont get why buying GTA for little 11 year old timmy is a bad thing


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Call to jail parents who break video game age limits
By GREER MCDONALD - The Dominion Post


Parents who give their underage children access to violent video games should be prosecuted to serve as "shock value" to other families, says chief censor Bill Hastings.

Laws around video games were "an even stricter regime than alcohol", because if an adult gives a child aged under 18 access to a restricted video game even in their own home they are breaking the law, he said.

Mr Hastings told The Dominion Post yesterday that if someone was caught knowingly allowing a child access to restricted video games such as the R-18 Grand Theft Auto series they could be punished by up to three months' imprisonment or a fine of up to $10,000.

"They might think the offence is silly, but it ain't".

No-one had yet been prosecuted under the law, but Mr Hastings said there could be merit in a parent being charged.

"That's what the law says, but . . . you're not going to have police officers in every bedroom ... There would certainly be some shock value to prosecuting a parent who gives their under-18 child access to a restricted game. It would send out a message that the enforcement agency means business."

Mr Hastings said studies had shown that repeated exposure to violence and sexual violence had an adverse effect on attitude, and it was important that parents realised some games were created for adults not children.

"I think the word 'game' can mislead people for sure. It's not checkers.

"For the first time in history, kids are more savvy with technology than parents ... parents need to get up to speed on the digital divide. They need to look at what their kids are playing and doing," he said.

"The fear of getting caught shouldn't be the motivating factor for you obeying the laws.

"It should be the pleasure in being able to sleep at night knowing that you have done the right thing by your kids. That should be the motivating factor."

Mr Hastings said video-game makers appeared to be steering away from extreme graphic sadism, as seen in the first video game to be banned in New Zealand, Manhunt.

Players of Manhunt take on the role of a character and gain points depending on the level of violence used to kill opponents, who are suffocated, repeatedly beaten, slashed, stabbed and decapitated.

Mr Hastings said parents were often hampered in educating themselves about video-game ratings because of out-of-date legislation, which meant many titles slipped onto New Zealand shelves without a rating.

Although all films and DVDs must be rated, electronic games such as those played on PlayStation or Xbox consoles do not need to go through the classification process unless they have objectionable material, he said.

Mr Hastings said he intended to ask the Internal Affairs Ministry to repeal parts of the Films, Videos and Publications Classification Act, drafted in 1993, so that all video games receive classification.

Internal Affairs Minister Richard Worth said he provisionally supported the chief censor's view.

Posted: March 07, 2009, 07:43:19 am

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i guess you cant show the parents scenes from gta 4 in store either because there are people under 18 present as well

Reply #1 Posted: March 07, 2009, 09:18:18 am
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ah yes "its for me not my son" speel.

Reply #2 Posted: March 07, 2009, 10:07:09 am

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i completely agree with this, well maybe not jail....but im sick of doing my job under the law...and getting nothing but lies and abuse back from shitty parents who dont get why buying GTA for little 11 year old timmy is a bad thing

Well it all boils down to this:

Why put ratings on games?

Protect childrenz? Bullshit
Educate populace? Bullshit

Make more money from games by setting up arbitrary guidelines and force publishers to either sign up or die? Exactly right

It happened with movies and music and when games got lumped with it it happened again

Its like no one ever learns

Reply #3 Posted: March 07, 2009, 10:39:32 am
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I agree. But I don't know if the age limit should be 18 for video games like gta it should probably be more like 16. If they are old enough to have kids and drive a car they're old enough to play gta imo.

Reply #4 Posted: March 07, 2009, 10:59:28 am

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+1. Laws got to change somewhere but I'd love to see them try to 'enforce' this one ghost.

Reply #5 Posted: March 07, 2009, 11:38:24 am
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I agree. But I don't know if the age limit should be 18 for video games like gta it should probably be more like 16. If they are old enough to have kids and drive a car they're old enough to play gta imo.


they are not old enough to have kids, and in a most cases drive a car. that is just the law.

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So, this guy thinks it's a good idea to just put one person in jail (a punishment faaaaaaaaaaaar greater than the crime) just to make a point?

"Sending out a message" by grossly victimising one person, while all the rest get a slap on the wrist is so unfair it's not funny.  

It's a brute force tactic that looks good on paper, but it's far from "right" in practice.

Reply #7 Posted: March 07, 2009, 12:28:57 pm

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I agree. But I don't know if the age limit should be 18 for video games like gta it should probably be more like 16. If they are old enough to have kids and drive a car they're old enough to play gta imo.

But they are not old enough to drink or buy cigerettes and are not classed as an adult or allowed to view pornographic material (which GTA contains). IMO more things should be age restricted.

Reply #8 Posted: March 07, 2009, 12:32:24 pm
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age restrictions globally are pretty fucked,

in NZ at 16 you can have sex but can't watch it, in the US a female can star in porn and take massive bukkake loads on her face whilst getting a massive cock in her ass, but she can't drink a beer.

Reply #9 Posted: March 07, 2009, 12:41:02 pm
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This dude reminds me of that Jack Thompson dude.

Bull fucking shit videogames make you more violent.
Sure, I rage at games, I get fucking angry, so angry that I break expensive shit, but if it wasn't BF2 it would be something else.

There is no great benefit on this age restriction. At most I think GTA should be MA15+ (or what ever the NZ equivalent is)

Reply #10 Posted: March 07, 2009, 01:03:07 pm

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Have you ever tried keeping the names and security camera pictures of all people who purchase games "for themselves" with their little kids present, take the list to a police station and saying you have reason to believe they are breaking the law?

I mean, it's a bit overboard, but if you feel that seriously about it... I wouldn't do it myself :P

Reply #11 Posted: March 07, 2009, 01:06:22 pm

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I agree.

Reply #12 Posted: March 07, 2009, 01:21:12 pm
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Have you ever tried keeping the names and security camera pictures of all people who purchase games "for themselves" with their little kids present, take the list to a police station and saying you have reason to believe they are breaking the law?

Thats not the point though. A function of Ghost's job is to police games sales

Its ridiculous. He shouldnt have to do it. But if he doesnt do it, who will? In fact: Who CARES?

So somewhere, someone thought it would be a good idea to label all the 'bad' games. Parents see it and are meant to not buy them for their children, but they do it anyway. Ghost calls them on it and they scream "Arsehole!"

I never thought that being part of the game/entertainment sales industry benefited from experience in being a traffic warden too

Im surprised that this hasnt generated more views since its similar to the ISP policing piracy bollocks

Reply #13 Posted: March 07, 2009, 01:55:08 pm
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age restrictions globally are pretty fucked,

in NZ at 16 you can have sex but can't watch it


haha +1

Reply #14 Posted: March 07, 2009, 02:13:25 pm

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Have you ever tried keeping the names and security camera pictures of all people who purchase games "for themselves" with their little kids present, take the list to a police station and saying you have reason to believe they are breaking the law?

I mean, it's a bit overboard, but if you feel that seriously about it... I wouldn't do it myself :P

It's a tad overboard - unless you have conclusive proof that the games purchased are for the minors who have accompanied the adult, you'll be forwarding quite a list on a regular basis.  Many parents take their children out when theyre shopping and pop into stores/rentals and make their purchases.


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Thats not the point though. A function of Ghost's job is to police games sales

Its ridiculous. He shouldnt have to do it. But if he doesnt do it, who will? In fact: Who CARES?

So somewhere, someone thought it would be a good idea to label all the 'bad' games. Parents see it and are meant to not buy them for their children, but they do it anyway. Ghost calls them on it and they scream "Arsehole!"

I never thought that being part of the game/entertainment sales industry benefited from experience in being a traffic warden too

Im surprised that this hasnt generated more views since its similar to the ISP policing piracy bollocks

It is hard for companies that SELL games to police the sale.  It's alot easier for rentals to be policed as when you become a member you do agree to the stores T&C which includes their policies on renting age restricted material to underage persons.  

I know rental stores have the Film Classification warnings and penalties clearly displayed in their stores to that members are fully aware of the penalties for any breach of the Film Classification Act.

there isnt really a way to police this from a Sales point of view as you cannot actually prove the items purchased will be used by minors.  If you kick up too much of a fuss you lose customers which means a loss in revenue, if youre too laid back word gets out and the store is liable.  the only way to really get the message across is by advising the purchaser of their obligations- other than that there isnt much you can do.

How would one police who was playing/watching what without invading a persons home on a daily basis?

Also alot of games that arrive have a different rating which get changed as soon as they hit nz shores.  When GTA first came out it came with a rating of m15.  two days later i was pulling them off the shelves and slapping R18 labels on them as advised by the classification board.  You can always try and dispute the rating with the distributors and the nz film commision but that really doesnt work much.

I always got around shitty parents by calmly explaining the penalties and consequences of renting to underage persons and show them the penalties and fines display from the Film Classification board - most of them understand once they realise the hefty fines you and they are liable for.  Also making them aware of the content helps too as alot of older parents are really clueless and will accept the old "but its cool mum and everyone else has watched it" line.  I had one irate dad whos 12 year old was trying to rent not another teen movie so i pulled him into the office and played him the opening scene of her and the dildo - he put it back on the shelf

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This dude reminds me of that Jack Thompson dude.


This guy is if I recall correctly, a somewhat hardcore christian...you'd think someone in his position would have to be religilously neutral.

Reply #16 Posted: March 07, 2009, 02:23:55 pm

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How would one police who was playing/watching what without invading a persons home on a daily basis?

Ban anyone who doesnt sound like they are over the age of 15 from the server

I'll never understand why the underages like to use voice chat

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Because it's so "cool".

And because they know it annoys older people.

And nobody wants to talk to them IRL. For a reason.

Reply #18 Posted: March 07, 2009, 02:41:40 pm

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Ban anyone who doesnt sound like they are over the age of 15 from the server

I'll never understand why the underages like to use voice chat


that fairy guy has a higher pitch voice... would you ban him?

Reply #19 Posted: March 07, 2009, 04:18:44 pm
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I got kicked from a TF2 server once for thinking some fat girl was a 13 y/o boy.

Reply #20 Posted: March 07, 2009, 05:08:04 pm

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that fairy guy has a higher pitch voice... would you ban him?


ROFL smart arse

Reply #21 Posted: March 07, 2009, 05:32:15 pm

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freedom of speech.

violent video games dont cause problems.

toughen the fuck up ghost, welcome to the pit of shit job that is retail

Reply #22 Posted: March 07, 2009, 06:06:41 pm
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ROFL smart arse

:/
wasn't really trying to be... more raising the question of "young... or female?"

Then again, everyone knows there's no girls on the internets...
(actually being smartarse this time...)
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Reply #23 Posted: March 07, 2009, 06:25:15 pm
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freedom of speech.

violent video games dont cause problems.

toughen the fuck up ghost, welcome to the pit of shit job that is retail


In a perfect world, I could agree with you. But in this flawed world where video games are the Evil Empire, this sort of shit needs to exist, soley to preserve my ability to purchase Japanese hardcore rape simulators. Or games like Manhunt.

Reply #24 Posted: March 07, 2009, 06:49:46 pm

Let us retract the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wirebrush of enlightenment.