Get Some

General => Technology & Hardware => Topic started by: Lias on July 01, 2015, 09:24:01 am

Title: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Lias on July 01, 2015, 09:24:01 am: http://www.becounted.org.nz/ (http://www.becounted.org.nz/)

If you haven't already, sign this. Help stop the cost of a DSL connection going up hundreds of dollars a year, and that money going straight into the pockets of greedy Chorus shareholders.
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Retardobot on July 01, 2015, 09:44:04 am: Signed.
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Xenolightning on July 01, 2015, 09:49:49 am: I think Chorus needs more money, can I anti sign it?
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Lias on July 01, 2015, 10:54:09 am: Quote from Xenolightning: July 01, 2015, 09:49:49 am
I think Chorus needs more money, can I anti sign it?

No, but I'll come steal your Chorus shares later :-P
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on July 01, 2015, 11:01:03 am: So is now a good time to buy Chorus shares?
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on July 01, 2015, 11:05:36 am: Quote from Lias: July 01, 2015, 09:24:01 am
[url]http://www.becounted.org.nz/[/url] ([url]http://www.becounted.org.nz/[/url])

If you haven't already, sign this. Help stop the cost of a DSL connection going up hundreds of dollars a year, and that money going straight into the pockets of greedy Chorus shareholders.

Wait, wait, wait...

This website is created by Spark

Spark, aka Telecom

Telecom, which Chorus was part of.

What's going on here?
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on July 01, 2015, 11:32:03 am: For those interested in some background info around this.

http://www.comcom.govt.nz/the-commission/media-centre/media-releases/detail/2014/commission-releases-draft-decisions-on-prices-of-copper-lines-and-broadband-service-for-consultation (http://www.comcom.govt.nz/the-commission/media-centre/media-releases/detail/2014/commission-releases-draft-decisions-on-prices-of-copper-lines-and-broadband-service-for-consultation)

http://www.comcom.govt.nz/regulated-industries/telecommunications/regulated-services/standard-terms-determinations/unbundled-copper-local-loop-and-unbundled-bitstream-access-services-final-pricing-principle/ (http://www.comcom.govt.nz/regulated-industries/telecommunications/regulated-services/standard-terms-determinations/unbundled-copper-local-loop-and-unbundled-bitstream-access-services-final-pricing-principle/)

Have a look at some of the submissions, from the ISP's and Chorus themselves. Some interesting stuff there.

I don't understand Sparks position on this, they're saying the commission needs to justify the cost increase. No, Chorus need to justify the cost increase, they are the ones wanting it. The commission just sits in-between and makes sure the proper rules are followed, and it looks like they are being very transparent about it all.

Considering Chorus was once part of Spark (aka Telecom), it seams like a big conflict of interest.
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Mayhem_Lee on July 01, 2015, 11:50:46 am: So do i sign or not monkey?
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on July 01, 2015, 12:11:38 pm: Quote from Mayhem_Lee: July 01, 2015, 11:50:46 am
So do i sign or not monkey?

I don't know.

The point of the commission is to make sure a fair price is set, and they use other countries as a comparison. It looks like they are doing just that. And there's plenty of documentation to explain how they have worked out that price.

Chorus want a high price so they can make more money, ISP's want a low price, so they don't have to pay Chorus so much and keep more of the money for themselves.

This petition by spark seams to me more like a publicity stunt, make themselves look better by pretending they are on our side.
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Craigor on July 01, 2015, 12:15:49 pm: This is interesting..
The once monopolist is now playing victim, nice marketing..
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Xenolightning on July 01, 2015, 12:30:10 pm: Sparking some debate in the industry.

PAHHH. I'm here all night.
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Growler on July 01, 2015, 01:07:46 pm: don't care have fibre
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: The Demon Lord on July 01, 2015, 03:58:41 pm: I hate the web layout
I hate spark
Work pays for my VDSL so don't care

(if anyone can find me a website that actually has some factual content instead of bright colours and flashy lines, then I may change my mind)
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Xenolightning on July 01, 2015, 04:02:55 pm: Quote from The Demon Lord: July 01, 2015, 03:58:41 pm
(if anyone can find me a website that actually has some factual content instead of bright colours and flashy lines, then I may change my mind)

www.wikipedia.com (http://www.wikipedia.com)
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Lias on July 01, 2015, 05:44:25 pm: Most of the raging douchebaggerry that was old Telecom went to Chorus in the split. Chorus got all the monopoly assets, and the old mentality. I wanted to not like Spark for the longest time, but honestly 90% of the douchebag went to Chorus, it's pretty unfair to compare Spark to old Telecom
Spark and Chorus stopped being friends quite awhile back, when Spark realise what apack of douches Chorus is.
Spark do have self interest, in that they based their pricing on an expectation of the ComCom setting the price at a certain level, and if they ComCom sets it higher and orders back payment (which is a possibility), it will hurt them in the wallet.
I'm not on DSL myself, but the vast majority of internet users in NZ are, and if the ComCom does raise prices those consumers are the ones who will get fucked at the end of the day, the ISP's will all raise prices, not take a financial hit themselves.
Chorus shareholders will laugh all the way to the bank, and the main reason the ComCom is doing this is because Chorus had a massive waaaah to the government and basically threatened to pull the plug on UFB if they weren't allowed to make massive profits, and the government put massive pressure on the ComCom to pull its head in.
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on July 02, 2015, 10:45:35 am: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11474609 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11474609)
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11474529 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11474529)

So does this mean our pricing will stay the same and everyone is happy?
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Xenolightning on July 02, 2015, 10:59:36 am: Stop using Copper. Dig it up. Melt it down. YELLING TIMBERRRR. Wut.
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on July 02, 2015, 11:02:50 am: Copper is almost as good as iron for smithing weapons and armor.

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Copper (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Copper)
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Kayne on July 02, 2015, 06:16:57 pm: I have a weird obsession with copper.

It's so beautiful. I'm not joking when I say I could stare at it all day.

There is just something about it when it shines.

One day I will marry a copper woman. I'm also considering selling everything and just buying copper bullions.

I shouldn't work with the stuff. I'll end up sticking something where I shouldn't.

* After looking around a bit, turns out there is quite a bit of copper bars, bullions and rounds (coins).

Anyone here do this kind of thing or am I just becoming too weird to be around normal people
Title: Chorus
Post by: Tiwaking! on March 04, 2016, 06:29:28 pm: Quote from Lias: July 01, 2015, 05:44:25 pm
Most of the raging douchebaggerry that was old Telecom went to Chorus in the split. Chorus got all the monopoly assets, and the old mentality. I wanted to not like Spark for the longest time, but honestly 90% of the douchebag went to Chorus, it's pretty unfair to compare Spark to old Telecom
Spark and Chorus stopped being friends quite awhile back, when Spark realise what apack of douches Chorus is.
Spark do have self interest, in that they based their pricing on an expectation of the ComCom setting the price at a certain level, and if they ComCom sets it higher and orders back payment (which is a possibility), it will hurt them in the wallet.
I'm not on DSL myself, but the vast majority of internet users in NZ are, and if the ComCom does raise prices those consumers are the ones who will get fucked at the end of the day, the ISP's will all raise prices, not take a financial hit themselves.
Chorus shareholders will laugh all the way to the bank, and the main reason the ComCom is doing this is because Chorus had a massive waaaah to the government and basically threatened to pull the plug on UFB if they weren't allowed to make massive profits, and the government put massive pressure on the ComCom to pull its head in.
Just say no
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on March 07, 2016, 07:58:55 am: Have they skyrocketed yet?

Getting Fibre installed on our street this month.
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Craigor on March 07, 2016, 11:02:40 am: I like being on non-chorus fibre with a local ISP that only offers fibre and wireless plans, because they aren't affected at all by this, and my price hasn't changed
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Retardobot on March 08, 2016, 03:16:49 pm: I'm guessing your monthly bill is already high enough.
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Craigor on March 09, 2016, 10:49:42 am: Quote from Retardobot: March 08, 2016, 03:16:49 pm
I'm guessing your monthly bill is already high enough.

$99
200 down, 100 up, phone line included
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: David on May 15, 2016, 03:13:22 am: I would have signed it.. but I'm American
Title: Re: Help stop Broadband costs from skyrocketing
Post by: Lias on May 15, 2016, 01:14:58 pm: Quote from David: May 15, 2016, 03:13:22 am
I would have signed it.. but I'm American

You know if Trump wins, we're banning all Americans as a precautionary measure right?
Title: Trump versus Hillary = President Trump 2016
Post by: Tiwaking! on May 15, 2016, 04:06:43 pm: Quote from Lias: May 15, 2016, 01:14:58 pm
Quote from David: May 15, 2016, 03:13:22 am
I would have signed it.. but I'm American

You know if Trump wins, we're banning all Americans as a precautionary measure right?
As an ardent Trump supporter I am disappointed at your lack of faith #makeamericagreatagain