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Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on December 10, 2007, 08:45:52 am
Because it's started already - the politicst that is:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=66&objectid=10481206

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Lewis Hamilton must wait until a month before the start of the Formula One season to hear whether McLaren will be penalised further next year for having confidential Ferrari information.

The governing International Automobile Federation (FIA) said yesterday it had deferred to February 14 a ruling on whether McLaren's 2008 car was untainted by this year's spying controversy.

If something incriminating is found, despite McLaren's assurances that they have nothing that can be traced to their Italian rivals, the team could start the season with a points penalty.
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But beyond the points penalty, it will only give McLaren a month to get their car changed and compliant for the season.

You don't need a crystal ball to know that the FIA have already decided that McLaren are guilty - they just want to make sure that they fuck up 2008 for them as well. Why don't they just etch Ferarri's name on the title for the next fifty years - and fuck Formula 1 totally in the process.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: private_hell on December 10, 2007, 09:39:10 am
they have already done that - the little plates they put on the cup are sitting in bernies desk
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on December 10, 2007, 01:41:48 pm
Hmm.. Have all teams been confirmed?

Anyone else going to Melbourne? I am most likely.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on December 10, 2007, 08:32:49 pm
Quote from: Spork;610452
Hmm.. Have all teams been confirmed?

Anyone else going to Melbourne? I am most likely.

Not sure, but i'm in Adelaide at the end of January.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on December 10, 2007, 08:35:22 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;610777
Not sure, but i'm in Adelaide at the end of January.


Adelaide FTW.

What are you doing here?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on December 11, 2007, 09:40:55 am
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/4/story.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10481639
Alonso confirmed back at Renault.

Though it's interesting - will Nelsinho do to him next year what Hamilton did to him this year? And wouldn't we all piss ourselves laughing if he did. :finger:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on December 11, 2007, 10:19:05 am
Quote from: TofuEater;611115
[url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/4/story.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10481639[/url]
Alonso confirmed back at Renault.

Though it's interesting - will Nelsinho do to him next year what Hamilton did to him this year? And wouldn't we all piss ourselves laughing if he did. :finger:
Was always going to happen - I would absolutely love it for Piquet to beat him, oh how special that would feel.

I would have loved it even more if he couldn't find a team for next year, although that was never going to happen
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: private_hell on December 11, 2007, 12:34:29 pm
unforunately alsono cant rage quit real life :)
which is always funny to watch
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Fragin on December 11, 2007, 03:49:58 pm
Renault will never allow Nelsinho to step out of line. They will make sure he knows his place. Sux to be him.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on December 11, 2007, 05:06:29 pm
Where did my Ferrari go?

I was sure I left it around here somewhere.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on December 11, 2007, 05:13:45 pm
Any bets on Rookie of the year? Piquet?
Title: Ouch.....
Post by: TofuEater on December 14, 2007, 02:28:38 pm
http://www.mclaren.com/latestnews/press-releases-2007.php?article=60

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McLAREN STATEMENT - 13TH DECEMBER 2007
As a result of the investigations carried out by the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile it has become clear that Ferrari information was more widely disseminated within McLaren than was previously communicated. McLaren greatly regrets that its own investigations did not identify this material and has written to the World Motor Sport Council to apologise for this.

McLaren has written a letter to the FIA which in the interests of transparency it is publishing with this press statement. That letter speaks for itself and the sentiments expressed in it are sincerely held by McLaren. McLaren has also written to the World Motor Sport Council to apologise that it has taken an FIA investigation to find this information and have expressed our deep regret that our understanding of the facts was improved as a result of the FIA inspection rather than our own investigations. McLaren has recognised that this entire situation could have been avoided if we had informed Ferrari and the FIA about Nigel Stepney's first communication when it came to our attention. We are, of course, embarrassed by the successive disclosures and have apologised unreservedly to the FIA World Motor Sport Council.

To avoid even the possibility of Ferrari information influencing our performance during 2008, McLaren has offered a set of detailed undertakings to the FIA which will impose a moratorium on development in relation to three separate systems. During the course of these incidents, McLaren has conducted a thorough review of its policies and procedures regarding the recruitment and management of staff. The proposals arising from this thorough review have been disclosed to the FIA and McLaren has agreed to demonstrate that all of these policies and procedures have been fully implemented.

McLaren wish to make a public apology to the FIA, Ferrari, the Formula 1 community and to Formula 1 fans throughout the world and offer their assurance that changes are now being made which will ensure that nothing comparable to what has taken place will ever happen again. McLaren have also agreed to pay the costs incurred by the FIA for their investigation.

McLaren now wishes to put these matters behind it and to move forward focusing on the 2008 season.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Fragin on December 15, 2007, 11:23:40 am
That McLaren statement is a little disturbing from a die hard Mclaren fan's viewpoint i don't mind admitting.


"Heikki Kovalainen has been confirmed as Lewis Hamilton's new teammate at McLaren for next year."

"The Finn joins the Woking-based outfit on a long-term deal after an impressive debut season with Renault, and McLaren management are convinced that he and Hamilton will make a 'formidable' combination for 2008."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64384



I think that's a reasonably good score for Mclaren. He showed some good speed in the second half of last season. I hope he does well.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on December 15, 2007, 12:56:50 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;613626
[url]http://www.mclaren.com/latestnews/press-releases-2007.php?article=60[/url]


We Ferrari fans accept McLarens apology.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on December 15, 2007, 01:40:46 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;614269
We Ferrari fans accept McLarens apology.


I, as a devout Tifosi, second that!

Ron Dennis how does the pie taste?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Fragin on December 15, 2007, 01:53:04 pm
Quote from: Quasikomodo;614296
I, as a devout Tifosi, second that!

Ron Dennis how does the pie taste?


Not good I imagine. This is the thing, I think Ron knew nothing of what was going on. :asian:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on December 15, 2007, 02:13:51 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;614269
We Ferrari fans accept McLarens apology.


Quote from: Quasikomodo;614296
I, as a devout Tifosi, second that!

Ron Dennis how does the pie taste?
What about Ferrari apologising for having an illegal car at the beginning of last season, and having nothing done about it.

I love F1, but it is so biased in Ferrari's favour it's just ridiculous.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on December 15, 2007, 03:00:15 pm
Quote from: Xt1ncT;6

I love F1, but it is so biased in Ferrari's favour it's just ridiculous.[/QUOTE


That's what we Tifosi love about it too.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on December 15, 2007, 03:01:53 pm
Quote from: Xt1ncT;614313

I love F1, but it is so biased in Ferrari's favour it's just ridiculous.


That's one of the things we Tifosi love about it too.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Fragin on December 15, 2007, 07:36:31 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;614269
We Ferrari fans accept McLarens apology.


More like a confession under torture.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Fragin on December 20, 2007, 11:16:36 pm
Roffles...


"Hamilton caught speeding in France"

"Lewis Hamilton had his driving licence suspended for a month after being caught speeding on a French motorway, police said on Tuesday."

"The British driver was at the wheel of a Mercedes when he was clocked at 196 km/h near the northern town of Laon on Sunday."

"Police stopped him, detained the car and fined him 600 euros."

" "He was very polite and cooperative," said a police spokesman, who added Hamilton had since had the car collected for him."



Bring on Australia 2008
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on December 21, 2007, 02:46:18 am
Looks like I'm not the only one who can't wait for the new season to start. Although I guess he has a fair bit of testing to test out his skills with.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on December 21, 2007, 06:35:21 am
Apparently someone else went to retrieve the car from the police pound.

Probably someone from Mercedes.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on December 21, 2007, 07:29:20 am
At least it was running. The only way you collect Ferarris is with a tow-truck. :finger:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on December 21, 2007, 12:14:46 pm
McLaren and their 2008 car have been cleared to race in 2008 by the way.

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=41471
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on December 21, 2007, 12:35:14 pm
I think that Mclaren need to be severely punished for letting Lewis run a muck on a open road, they should definitely have their constructors stripped for next year.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Fragin on December 21, 2007, 01:46:14 pm
Quote from: Spork;618642
I think that Mclaren need to be severely punished for letting Lewis run a muck on a open road, they should definitely have their constructors stripped for next year.


agreed.

also....



"Ferrari still fuming over spy case"
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64451

(http://www.autosport.com/images/upload/1198149942.jpg)


LET IT GO !!!111!!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on December 21, 2007, 04:10:09 pm
Quote from: Jean Todt
"Should Ron Dennis be banned? ...... This is a world that goes around quickly."

Damn right it does, you fucken poisonous gnome. Don't worry, you'll get yours.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on December 21, 2007, 10:35:23 pm
Et tu Tofu?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Fragin on December 22, 2007, 12:30:43 am
(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4333/jeantodt64ys7.jpg)
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on January 04, 2008, 06:41:01 pm
lol fragin.


The new cars are getting unveiled soon!

http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2008/1/7213.html


Countdown to launches gets underway...

Although 2008 may be less than a week old, the Formula One teams are already looking forward to the coming season and many have plans in place to launch their new challengers this month.

Ferrari are expected to kick off proceedings at their Fiorano test track this weekend with their F1 2008. The Italian squad’s latest design, the successor to the championship-winning F2007, is due to be unveiled in Italy on Sunday, ahead of a shakedown run the following day.

McLaren will follow Ferrari’s lead a day later in Germany. Despite previously announcing they had no plans for an official launch, the British team have now revealed that the MP4-23 will make its debut at the Mercedes-Benz museum in Stuttgart on Monday.

Elsewhere in Germany, Toyota plan to reveal their 2008 car, the TF108, at the Japanese team’s technical centre in Cologne on January 10. The squad’s drivers, including new-signing Timo Glock, will be in attendance, alongside members of the team’s management.

The BMW Sauber F1.08 will also be unveiled in Germany. The German-Swiss squad will take the wraps of their new car at BMW Welt, a new BMW vehicle delivery centre in Munich on January 14. The 2008 challenger will then make its test debut in Valencia, Spain, a day later.

Red Bull are next in line, with the Austrian squad launching their new car, the RB4, during testing at Jerez in Spain on January 16. Meanwhile, Honda will reveal the RA108 at their UK headquarters in Brackley on January 29, with CEO Nick Fry, new team principal Ross Brawn and race drivers Jenson Button and Rubens Barrichello all present.

As they did in 2007, Renault have again planned a two-pronged launch for their new challenger. The R28 will be officially unveiled at the French team’s corporate communications headquarters in Paris, France, on January 31. However, the media will get its first sighting of the new machine a week earlier, as the car is expected to be in action during testing in Valencia.

Williams are yet to announce their plans, although it is understood that the British team may choose to eschew an official launch in favour of a low-key test debut for their new Toyota-powered challenger. There has also been no official word yet from Super Aguri or Force India. Rival team Toro Rosso are expected to start the new season with an updated version of 2007's STR02, before debuting their new car later in the year.

The launch line-up:
January 6 - Ferrari F1 2008, Fiorano, Italy
January 7 - McLaren MP4-23, Stuttgart, Germany
January 10 - Toyota TF108, Cologne, Germany
January 14 - BMW Sauber F1.08, Munich, Germany
January 16 - Red Bull RB4, Jerez, Spain
January 29 - Honda RA108, Brackley, UK
January 31 - Renault R28, Paris, France

Make sure to stay in touch with Formula1.com over the coming weeks for the latest news and pictures of all the 2008 cars.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: HyperBlade on January 05, 2008, 07:03:18 pm
Roll on the A1GP much better then the boring one sided affair of F1.

Taupo 21-23rd Jan, lets hope there.s some passing room this time.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on January 08, 2008, 07:54:52 pm
Quote from: HyperBlade;626649
Roll on the A1GP much better then the boring one sided affair of F1.


I like A1GP but it is a bit of an amateur affair compared to F1!!
...... and how could you possibly call F1 boring and one sided after last year!?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on January 28, 2008, 11:57:30 pm
45 Days, 12 Hours, 3 Minutes & 15 Seconds

until the 2008 F1 season kicks off.
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Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on January 28, 2008, 11:59:54 pm
Yea can't fucken' wait. I am seriously considering going.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on January 29, 2008, 12:09:32 am
I wanted to but I don't think it will happen.

How much are decent tickets?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on January 29, 2008, 12:24:07 am
Quote from: Baffled;644566
I wanted to but I don't think it will happen.

How much are decent tickets?


Well I went in 06 and got ticekts i nthe Senna stand.. They are around my room somewhere.. uhh.. hold up.

$409.00

That is on the outside of the last corner (where Montoya spun out at the end of the warmup lap, then raikonnen and schuey crashed and where buttons car blew up)

So yea would probably go there again if I did. Well worth it even if the tickets were free then. :P

Birthdays ftw.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on January 29, 2008, 12:36:15 am
Ah yep I just checked the map, looks good place to be.

The one next to it would be my choice (probably most expensive), Schumacher Stand at turn 15.

Damnit, I want to go.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on January 29, 2008, 12:46:55 am
Yea thats Aussie as well so no idea what that is in NZ.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on January 29, 2008, 12:48:39 am
Prices (http://premier.ticketek.com.au/shows/show.aspx?sh=AGPGS08)

Not too bad, $409 for Schuey stand.

EDIT: Looking at the current map, the Senna stand used to be combined with the Prost stand I think, well where I sat was right in the middle of the corner so you could see the whole section where they go into the pits and right up to about the front of the grid.

Would be good if you could trial the tickets or something, as the thing I don't like about seats on corners is the cars go heaps slow around the corners, and I wanna see them go flat out. Or at least pedal to the metal.

On the inside of Turn 15 would be pretty sweet I reckon, but yea. The map says they go about 85 K's around Turn 15 (I remember from all the F1 games it is like the slowest corner on the circuit :P)
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on January 29, 2008, 01:36:43 am
Quote from: Spork;644602
Prices ([url]http://premier.ticketek.com.au/shows/show.aspx?sh=AGPGS08[/url])

Not too bad, $409 for Schuey stand.

EDIT: Looking at the current map, the Senna stand used to be combined with the Prost stand I think, well where I sat was right in the middle of the corner so you could see the whole section where they go into the pits and right up to about the front of the grid.

Would be good if you could trial the tickets or something, as the thing I don't like about seats on corners is the cars go heaps slow around the corners, and I wanna see them go flat out. Or at least pedal to the metal.

On the inside of Turn 15 would be pretty sweet I reckon, but yea. The map says they go about 85 K's around Turn 15 (I remember from all the F1 games it is like the slowest corner on the circuit :P)


Would you see across to the other side of the track? and up the straight from turn 15?

Fine I will take moss stand.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on January 29, 2008, 01:45:02 am
Quote from: Baffled;644664
Would you see across to the other side of the track? and up the straight from turn 15?

Fine I will take moss stand.


You mean up pit straight? Or up the straight leading into turn 15?

I don't think you could see up pit straight, you might be able to actually.

No idea about seeing the straight leading into turn 15 though.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on January 29, 2008, 02:00:18 am
Need a big screen to watch >.<
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on January 29, 2008, 02:14:23 am
Quote from: Baffled;644698
Need a big screen to watch >.<

From memory there is one on the inside of the last corner, viewable from the Senna stand, but yea that is the only one I can remember and I guess it is quite possible that they move them around from year to year.

EDIT: I guess they would have one which is viewable by each of the main grand stands.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Fragin on February 02, 2008, 09:28:02 pm
F1 is talking about budget caps. Mosley's all set to bring it in in 2009 I believe.


I've had an idea....

Instead of having a budget cap per se, let the teams spend what they want but scale their points according to the difference between what they spend and a nominated amount, say $100M. Ie) if a team spends exactly $100M their points multiplier will be exactly 1.0. If they spend more than $100M their multiplier is < 1, less and their multiplier is > 1. When a team scores points the number of points is multiplied by their multiplier to calculate how many actual points they get. Get it?

A team like Super Aguri with sweet f.a. budget gets a high multiplier so when they score some points they end up getting lots of points. Conversely a team like McLaren spends big $$$ but whenever they score points their multiplier reduces that to a pittance. It would make a completely level playing field.

The teams that can build a fast car in the most efficient way possible would win. Probably a team like Williams.



edit: don't worry i've just realised why it wouldn't work. :dragon:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on February 03, 2008, 03:14:21 pm
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/03/2153083.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/03/2153083.htm)

Australian GP quite possibly fucked.

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A report on the auto race, tabled in Victorian state parliament last October, revealed revenue decreased from $47.5 million in 2006 to $43.4 million last year.

Last year's Australian Grand Prix ran at a loss of nearly $35 million.

Since the event moved from Adelaide, the Melbourne GP has lost more than $120 million.


Since it was moved from Adelaide, SO MOVE IT BACK YOU NUBS! :P
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 11, 2008, 06:00:28 pm
There was a 2008 preview aired on TV in the UK recently, it's available on most websites.. Probably even Googling it would find it, don't think it would be a good idea to link to it on her so yea.

Just watching it now, looks interesting, will get me thinking until Sunday :D
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on March 11, 2008, 06:40:21 pm
Quote from: Spork;649094
[url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/03/2153083.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/03/2153083.htm[/url])

Australian GP quite possibly fucked.



Since it was moved from Adelaide, SO MOVE IT BACK YOU NUBS! :P
Nope, won't happen, and unless the AUssies introduce night racing they'll lose it completely.

Ecclestone is only interested in the $$$ not taking F1 around the world, and he loses all the advertising revenue if the Europeans aren't watching - which they don't when the race is in the middle of their night.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 11, 2008, 07:36:08 pm
Quote from: Xt1ncT;674391
Nope, won't happen, and unless the AUssies introduce night racing they'll lose it completely.

Ecclestone is only interested in the $$$ not taking F1 around the world, and he loses all the advertising revenue if the Europeans aren't watching - which they don't when the race is in the middle of their night.


Yea I saw at the end of the preview show that the Aust. race is on at 3am Pom time.

At least if it was in Adelaide it would be on at 2:30am :P

Fairly sure Ron Dennis or what ever the Aussie F1 guys name is says there are no plans on changing the race to a night race, but I guess hopefully they will when they find out Bernie is for real.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on March 11, 2008, 09:28:15 pm
Bernie should hold the whole series at one track that he can reconfigure.

[They all look the same now anyway]

Save moving the whole circus round the world.

If money's all he's interested in.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 16, 2008, 02:35:03 pm
Race starts in 3 hours.

I signed up to sky sport yesterday 5 mins before qualifying so i could watch :D
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 16, 2008, 02:48:50 pm
Quote from: Baffled;677249
Race starts in 3 hours.

I signed up to sky sport yesterday 5 mins before qualifying so i could watch :D


Yea, I'm currently trying to configure my PC TV card so that I can watch the race from my bedroom instead of on my TV, but the lack of a good antenna shows.

Can't wait!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on March 16, 2008, 03:59:17 pm
Unfortunately almost all sport isn't about the sport, or entertainment anymore, it's all about the $$$ and F1 is a prime example.

IMO F1 is the pinnacle, and to test drivers and teams should be all around the world, so not only do they have to get the car working seamlessly the same is true about logistics.

Bernie has been great in raising the profile, but now he's going to almost ruin it by taking it away from traditional venues like Australia - sure introdue new world class facilities, but remember where it's come from.

Lastly, COME ON LEWIS..!!!!!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 16, 2008, 04:17:09 pm
I'm recording from now on, if anyone wants it, I will upload the race to Rapidshare or something as soon as it finishes.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: kilabee on March 16, 2008, 04:55:24 pm
Cant wait for the start.No traction control should be interesting
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 16, 2008, 05:06:49 pm
Quote from: kilabee;677312
Cant wait for the start.No traction control should be interesting


Mm, not too much longer left.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 16, 2008, 05:53:13 pm
Oh wow look at that Websy lasted half a lap! How surprising!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 16, 2008, 07:26:49 pm
Wow, I'm surprised an ycars finished that race!

Nice and action packed, good work Rosberg, and Heidfeld.

I guess I should congratulate Hamilton aswell, he did win.. But oh well.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 16, 2008, 07:38:41 pm
Really bad luck for kovaleinen and bourdois (sp?), but awesome work lewis! Perfect start to the season. Ferrari look a bit shit so far...
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 16, 2008, 09:23:48 pm
Heh, I love live television, I just watched the race again, well skipped through most of it up until Coulthard's crash and when he said hes going to kick a few shades of shit out of massa.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 16, 2008, 11:26:54 pm
Quote from: Spork;677480
Heh, I love live television, I just watched the race again, well skipped through most of it up until Coulthard's crash and when he said hes going to kick a few shades of shit out of massa.


Haha that was gold, wonder if massa will apologise, what was the reason for massa's retirement? I never heard em say.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 17, 2008, 12:25:18 am
Quote from: Baffled;677539
Haha that was gold, wonder if massa will apologise, what was the reason for massa's retirement? I never heard em say.


Nah I missed it on both watches actually. Will go through again and try find it.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on March 17, 2008, 12:39:51 am
Quote from: Baffled;677539
what was the reason for massa's retirement?

Stupidity and lack of basic driving skills. And a busted engine.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on March 17, 2008, 05:59:44 am
Quote from: Baffled;677415
Ferrari look a bit shit so far...

Na, just their drivers. :finger:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 17, 2008, 12:15:59 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;677576
Na, just their drivers. :finger:


Raikonnnen drove his ass off in parts of the race but made too many mistakes and his car died... He was so lucky not to clip the wall and get out of the sand pit or stall it.

I read on the f1 site that massa's retirement was just due to engine problems.

Would be cool if the ferraris stayed rubbish and some other teams came through.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 17, 2008, 01:03:46 pm
You have to remember it was effin hot yesterday, about 40 degrees, and something like 50 degrees on track.

I guess that could quite easily upset a few of the drivers and make it easier for them to crash. Possibly contributed to the whole fact that like 6 or 7 drivers finished the race.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on March 17, 2008, 03:00:49 pm
Quote from: Spork;677695
I guess that could quite easily upset a few of the drivers and make it easier for them to crash. Possibly contributed to the whole fact that like 6 or 7 drivers finished the race.

Na, i've said it before - i don't rate Raikonnen or Massa. I remember when Kimi was with Maclaren, he would put in something like 1:34, 1:34, 1:34, 1:38, 1:34 and you'd go wtf? Then when the commentators picked it up they'd find a replay and he would have lost it on some innocuous corner somewhere.

He seems to lose concentration at various points and i don't think that taking traction control off is going to help him at all. Same goes with Massa - allegedly a great talent, but i've never really seen it come through. He got waxed at the start yesterday and spent the rest of the day trying to take as many of the others out that he could. Coulthard's summation said it all.

The only thing that spoilt yesterday for me was that the poison gnome wasn't there to suck it up with the rest of the team.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on March 17, 2008, 04:19:50 pm
Massa is, and always will be, shit. He makes HEAPS of mistakes - I will NEVER understand how he got a Ferrari drive after his performance in the little backmarker team he was in - always running into people and walls. He ONLY wins when he has the fastest car AND starts from pole. He's a "qualifying driver" - fast if he's the only person on the track, or at least if no-one is near him. He CAN'T race and overtake to save his life. Coulthard will back be up on this....
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on March 17, 2008, 05:19:23 pm
GO LEWIS.

Loved the race and was ecstatic Lewis won.

Regarding Massa, I'm actually going to criticise DC on this - Massa was well past where he needed to be, and DC turning in took himself out. I watched the replay a number of occasions and Massa was well past the sidepod which is where the unwritten rule says the overtaking car needs to be for the manoever to be considered a success.

Apart from that I loved Raikonnen (sp??) making all his mistakes - shows how much traction control etc helped him last year really - was especially true when he put his left rear onto the grass - last year he *may* have been able to stop the spin with the computer's help - not this year :rnr:

And Wiliams got on the podium for the first time in AGES. Historically I'm a Wiliams fan - they were the closest to where i lived just outside Oxford, in fact I used to drive past them on a regular basis in Grove. So that result was very pleasing - not sure how many more they'll get though, it seems like they really need the help of a major manufacturer, but I can't see it now they pretty much all have their own teams. Shame, because they have fantastic facilities and pretty much always produce a great car - just need the engine to go with it.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on March 17, 2008, 08:13:06 pm
Quote from: Xt1ncT;677840
Regarding Massa, I'm actually going to criticise DC on this - Massa was well past where he needed to be, and DC turning in took himself out. I watched the replay a number of occasions and Massa was well past the sidepod which is where the unwritten rule says the overtaking car needs to be for the manoever to be considered a success.

When i saw it live i was shouting at the telly and abusing Massa. When i saw the replay, it wasn't as conclusive, but the point for me is that Coulthard had the racing line, Massa was coming in hot - i don't think he would have made the corner (like Raikonnen didn't) if he hadn't bumped Coulthard.

I think he thought that he was able to squeeze through ahead, but there was no way, Coulthard was already committed to that line. I think what really pissed him off was that he didn't take Massa out as well. :heheh:

[video]4civ-oyYYVU[/video]
Fucken Ecclestone! :cussing:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on March 17, 2008, 11:44:59 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;677972
but the point for me is that Coulthard had the racing line, Massa was coming in hot - i don't think he would have made the corner (like Raikonnen didn't) if he hadn't bumped Coulthard.


Big pile of BS IMO

Massa was definitely not going in too hot, he had the corner and Coulthard fucked up!!

Hamilton drove a near perfect weekend. He deserved to win.
Ferrari had a 'mare, but their car is fast and its only the first race of a long season!!

Raikonnen a crap driver!? Yeah, right!!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on March 18, 2008, 08:05:02 am
Quote from: TofuEater;677972
When i saw it live i was shouting at the telly and abusing Massa. When i saw the replay, it wasn't as conclusive, but the point for me is that Coulthard had the racing line, Massa was coming in hot - i don't think he would have made the corner (like Raikonnen didn't) if he hadn't bumped Coulthard.

I think he thought that he was able to squeeze through ahead, but there was no way, Coulthard was already committed to that line. I think what really pissed him off was that he didn't take Massa out as well. :heheh:
I know what you mean - at first I thought the same. But on reflection and watching the replay a few times it was clear that Massa had made the pass - now if he couldn't stop in time DC could and should have let him pass and watch as he lost it and ran straight on, then re-passed and waved as he went on his merry way.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 18, 2008, 12:20:33 pm
Malaysian GP starts in 3 days! Awesome, I expected a 2 week gap... :D
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on March 21, 2008, 08:43:10 am
Quote from: Quasikomodo;678077
Massa was definitely not going in too hot, he had the corner and Coulthard fucked up!!


[video]FE7-kQPWLNc[/video]
Really? Massa has no line, he has no position and he has no rights. If you have a look, he's off the track on the inside as Coulthard does a standard manoevre on the corner.

Quote from: Xt1ncT;678134
I know what you mean - at first I thought the same. But on reflection and watching the replay a few times it was clear that Massa had made the pass

Not from the way i see it on this replay. Like you, i'd only seen the side on camera view up til now, but it seems clear to me that Coulthard has all the rights.

In fact, if you freeze the video at 0:16, you'll see that Massa's wheel is only in line with Coulthard's, even though he's begun his turn in at the corner. Like i said before, i think what pissed DC off so much is that he wanted to take Massa out, which was the most logical end to a crap move by him (Massa).
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on March 21, 2008, 02:16:50 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;679735
[video]FE7-kQPWLNc[/video]
Really? Massa has no line, he has no position and he has no rights. If you have a look, he's off the track on the inside as Coulthard does a standard manoevre on the corner.


Not from the way i see it on this replay. Like you, i'd only seen the side on camera view up til now, but it seems clear to me that Coulthard has all the rights.

In fact, if you freeze the video at 0:16, you'll see that Massa's wheel is only in line with Coulthard's, even though he's begun his turn in at the corner. Like i said before, i think what pissed DC off so much is that he wanted to take Massa out, which was the most logical end to a crap move by him (Massa).


Totally agree. Massa's a crap racer, and this is just another incident that shows it.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 21, 2008, 02:41:29 pm
Does anyone know if the race is live on sky?

I cant seem to see it, the F1 website says the race starts at 8pm nz time on Sunday, but the sky tv guide says they have a replay of the race... but it starts at 7.30pm on sunday?

I WANT TO WATCH IT LIVE! I JUST PAID FOR SPORTS CHANNEL FOR A FARKING REASON!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 21, 2008, 02:51:02 pm
Well F1.com says the race is on at 5:30 local time.. which is 7:30 local time for you guys.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 21, 2008, 03:07:52 pm
Quote from: Spork;679845
Well F1.com says the race is on at 5:30 local time.. which is 7:30 local time for you guys.


Sweet, hopefully i get to see it then.


Oh and did you guys read this?

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/3/7516.html


The BBC has won back F1 rights from ITV and will be hosting it from 2009, should be good :)
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 21, 2008, 03:21:28 pm
Bleh, I hope to all hell that Foxtel (Pay TV Aust) sometime very soon gets the rights for the F1, because the fucking race is on at 11 pm here. Srsly wtf.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on March 21, 2008, 03:34:16 pm
Quote from: Baffled;679838
Does anyone know if the race is live on sky?

http://www.skytv.co.nz/tv-guide.aspx?gid=2&cid=94&&search=epg&pid=2368594&date=2008-03-22+22-05-00
Looks like it starts about 7:55pm.

Quote from: Baffled;679854
The BBC has won back F1 rights from ITV and will be hosting it from 2009, should be good :)

Bring back Murray Walker! :rnr:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on March 21, 2008, 04:28:17 pm
Quote from: Baffled;679854
Sweet, hopefully i get to see it then.


Oh and did you guys read this?

[url]http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/3/7516.html[/url]


The BBC has won back F1 rights from ITV and will be hosting it from 2009, should be good :)


Hopefully someone other than sky buys the rights here in NZ - seeing as we get the current ITV coverage now, I'm guessing that we buy it from them, rather than going straight through Bernie Ecclstone, and a new contract etc would need to be made with new rights holders BBC, which might open it back up to TVNZ or TV3 having a go at getting it.
Title: Fuck I hate the FIA
Post by: Xt1ncT on March 23, 2008, 11:20:32 am
I can't believe that the FIA are still on a crusade agaisnt McLaren. When you watch the replay of the end of Q it was clear that they weren't the only drivers going very slowly around the track and the 2 drivers who were held up had to go around more than just the McLaren.

Even more Ferrari bias IMO.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: cardossius on March 23, 2008, 11:39:39 am
lol, mclaren just took out aus with ease and ferrari lost it big time, and now ferrari get the front row with ease, and your saying FERRARI get all the breaks.

hahahahahaha, still not winning online are we, so gotta take your frustrations out on the real deal. lol.

ps: isnt it you who agrees with such rules as "dont go around the track slow when others are on flying laps".

you really really need a chill pill buddy, wooosa wooosa.

GO FERRARI vs McLaren War.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on March 23, 2008, 12:06:48 pm
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/3/7542.html

Poor show McLaren.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on March 23, 2008, 01:08:24 pm
Quote from: cardossius;680552
lol, mclaren just took out aus with ease and ferrari lost it big time, and now ferrari get the front row with ease, and your saying FERRARI get all the breaks.

hahahahahaha, still not winning online are we, so gotta take your frustrations out on the real deal. lol.

ps: isnt it you who agrees with such rules as "dont go around the track slow when others are on flying laps".

you really really need a chill pill buddy, wooosa wooosa.

GO FERRARI vs McLaren War.
How about talking about the qualifying instead of carrying on yours and Shasta's continued vendetta.

It makes you look like an idiot.

Now back to the issue.

If you read my post in full you will see that my opinion - whether you agree or not is irrelevant - is that McLaren were not the only team going slowly when they had finished their flying lap. That being the case why were they the only team to get penalised? Only one reason TBH and that is that the FIA want them as far behind Ferrari as possible. Same as last year with the BS penalties they got, whereas Ferrari had no sanction for having - wait for it - A COMPLETELY ILLEGAL CAR at the beginning of the year.

So yeah, it was a poor show, but by ALL the drivers who clearly slowed far more than they should have and that is what should be looked at, not just the two McLaren drivers.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: cardossius on March 23, 2008, 02:18:43 pm
temper temper, still got some inner anger i see

f1 has as many rules that you put on your online server

enjoy the race

:violin:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on March 23, 2008, 02:54:05 pm
Quote from: cardossius;680624
more flaming
talk about the racing instead of flaming.

You'll see that I haven't resorted to flaming. I wonder who's the angry one really? Certainly not me, I just want to enjoy the race and the discussion around it.

If you want to revisit old news I suggest you go do it over at KDSR where some people *MAY* listen.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on March 23, 2008, 03:17:14 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;680556
Poor show McLaren.

Even poorer show by the FIA.

1. Barichello dq'ed to give Raikonnen a point even though the offence warranted a stop and go at best.

2. Nothing done about Raikonnen's dodgy retirement - allowing him to change his engine without a grid penalty.

3. Dropping the Maclarens five places on the grid - even though other teams weren't given a penalty for the same offence.

Why don't they just give Ferrari the title now? The most hollow of victory's is getting hollower by the day.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 23, 2008, 03:17:42 pm
Quote from: cardossius;680624
temper temper, still got some inner anger i see

f1 has as many rules that you put on your online server

enjoy the race

:violin:


STFU and GTFO troll.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on March 23, 2008, 03:30:56 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;680656
Even poorer show by the FIA.

1. Barichello dq'ed to give Raikonnen a point even though the offence warranted a stop and go at best.

2. Nothing done about Raikonnen's dodgy retirement - allowing him to change his engine without a grid penalty.

3. Dropping the Maclarens five places on the grid - even though other teams weren't given a penalty for the same offence.

Why don't they just give Ferrari the title now? The most hollow of victory's is getting hollower by the day.
Exactly.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who can see the inequality of this. I thought that all the drivers were going to be brought in an talked to, and was shocked to read about this on BBC.co.nz this morning.

I just hope the McLarens can get back into it quickly - maybe a couple of safety cars, or some weather to help them.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 23, 2008, 04:18:03 pm
It sucks that they got dropped 5 places but it does make for a much more interesting race putting the faster cars/drivers back :D


Should be a good watch... just over 3 hours to go...
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on March 23, 2008, 04:55:35 pm
Quote from: Xt1ncT;680582
It makes you look like an idiot.

No, uninformed and unintelligent posts like yours -especially in the party pills thread - makes you look like an idiot.

Quote from: Xt1ncT;680582
If you read my post in full you will see that my opinion - whether you agree or not is irrelevant - is that McLaren were not the only team going slowly when they had finished their flying lap. That being the case why were they the only team to get penalised? Only one reason TBH and that is that the FIA want them as far behind Ferrari as possible. Same as last year with the BS penalties they got, whereas Ferrari had no sanction for having - wait for it - A COMPLETELY ILLEGAL CAR at the beginning of the year.

Firstly, your "full post" didn't even say what you were talking about, but instead you gave your post the title of "fuck the FIA", and just assumed that people knew you were on about the grid penalty given to McLaren in the Malaysian GP 2008.

Secondly, The car was not illegal. I am not a Ferrari fan, so I am not trying to defend "my" team. Ferrari built their floor in a way that was not intended by the FIA - so the FIA "clarified" (changed) the rules to ensure that teams understood you weren't supposed to have your floor like that. Basically, Ferrari found a loophole, and the FIA closed it. It WAS NOT against the rules as they stood in Melbourne, and then the FIA changed the wording of the rules to close the loophole.

It's like if the law only said I could not kill you, so I chopped off your head and said "I didn't kill him, I murdered him" - technically I could not be done for killing you. Then the law wording would need to be changed to something like "you cannot cause someones death on purpose" - and that would close the loophole. I would still be free though, because I didn't break the law as it was written when I murdered you. Why do you think lawyers even exist?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on March 23, 2008, 05:08:11 pm
Quote from: Shasta;680705

It's like if the law only said I could not kill you, so I chopped off your head and said "I didn't kill him, I murdered him" - technically I could not be done for killing you. Then the law wording would need to be changed to something like "you cannot cause someones death on purpose" - and that would close the loophole. I would still be free though, because I didn't break the law as it was written when I murdered you. Why do you think lawyers even exist?
Well considering this thread is about F1 I'm pretty sure people knew exactly what I was talking about. And I didn't say
'Fuck the FIA"  said Fuck I hate the FIA - how about you go and learn to read, and also get yourslfe a dictionary, so again you won't make yourself look as stupid as your chum.

Shows how much you know about law

Definition of murder (http://www.answers.com/topic/murder) = The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

So if you were accused of killing someone and said no I murdered him you'd still be convicted due to the definition of muder being to kill.

Now, at least you argued a point, albeit wrong. But at least you argued. They broke the law, and instead of doing what they would do for any other team they decided to change it. Again we know exactly why - without Ferrari there would be no F1 and Ecclestone and all his cronies would have no income anymore.

Now back to McLaren - I have no issue with them beiing penalised, but they weren't the only ones, so if they should be penalised so should the others.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on March 23, 2008, 06:15:26 pm
*Sigh. I had a feeling you'd need it explained to you again. Ok, let's do this.

Quote from: Xt1ncT;680712
Well considering this thread is about F1 I'm pretty sure people knew exactly what I was talking about. And I didn't say
'Fuck the FIA"  said Fuck I hate the FIA - how about you go and learn to read, and also get yourslfe a dictionary, so again you won't make yourself look as stupid as your chum.


Yes, this thread is about F1. However, unless someone had heard that McLaren had given a penalty, or even had any idea of how qualifying went yesterday, they wouldn't have had a clue what the hell you were on about.

Quote from: Xt1ncT;680712
Shows how much you know about law

Definition of murder ([url]http://www.answers.com/topic/murder[/url]) = The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

So if you were accused of killing someone and said no I murdered him you'd still be convicted due to the definition of muder being to kill.


As you're so fond of telling people to learn to read, how about you take some of your own advice: I said "It's like IF the law only said I could not kill you". I was making an "imaginary example" of how wording of rules / laws can create loopholes that can be exploited. I am not a lawyer, and do not claim to be. Did you really think I had come up (or tried to) with a real example of how to actually get away with murder in a real court of law? Are you that stupid?

Quote from: Xt1ncT;680712
Now, at least you argued a point, albeit wrong. But at least you argued. They broke the law, and instead of doing what they would do for any other team they decided to change it. Again we know exactly why - without Ferrari there would be no F1 and Ecclestone and all his cronies would have no income anymore.


No, see you're wrong again. I was not wrong. You were. And Ferrari did NOT "break the law" (by the way: in racing, they're called "rules", not "law") - they found and exploited a loophole - PERFECTLY LEGALLY. The FIA did not want teams using floors like that however, and changed the WORDING of the particular rule to close the loophole and NO LONGER allow floors like that.

Using a loophole is NOT illegal - that's why it's called a loophole.

Try to keep up.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 23, 2008, 06:31:46 pm
Less bitching, more interesting f1 talk thanks.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on March 23, 2008, 06:35:01 pm
Quote from: Baffled;680754
Less bitching, more interesting f1 talk thanks.
+1

Been trying to get them to talk about F1, but to no avail.

Seems they are more interested in flaming and trolliing than the racing.

Shame no admins see fit to do the decent thing.

Only an hour and a half to the race - looking forward to it, Sean is a great track - hard on tyres and brakes as well.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on March 23, 2008, 07:14:21 pm
Quote from: Baffled;680754
Less bitching, more interesting f1 talk thanks.
Funnily enough, I HAVE been talking about F1 - even trying to explain why Ferrari weren't penalized for running their "illegal" car in melb last year. It seems the conversation dried up when I showed xtinct why he was so wrong and should shut up when he doesn't know what he's talking about, as he suddenly wants to pretend the discussion never happened, call us all trolls, and he wants to change the subject from F1 to...F1.

Xtinct - it's not trolling when people tell you you're wrong, you disagree, and they prove it to you. Stop saying such stupid things, or at least try to research things and know what you're talking about before you comment on them.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on March 23, 2008, 09:51:17 pm
Quote from: Quasikomodo;678077
Big pile of BS IMO

Yay, Massa the legend. I confidently predict that Ferrari will not achieve a 1/2 this season because either one of their drivers will not be able to handle the pressure - and yes that includes Raikonnen. Without traction control, they are shit. :finger:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on March 23, 2008, 09:54:58 pm
Well, another typically shit bit of coverage from ITV / Sky. It ALWAYS seems to be either:

stretched screen, as if widescreen has been stretched to fullscreen,

car/track sounds, but no commentary (like the first half of quali this week,

commentary but no car/track sounds (like the first half of the whole damn race this week - cars could be heard faintly through the commentary speakers, and were louder as they went past the commentary box)

no sound when someone (Ted/Louise) interviews someone, or pit radio, all we hear is the commentators agreeing / whatever with silence.

Yes, these usually get resolved - but it's taking them longer and longer to sort it out. The worst I have seen is 12 laps with no commentary, but now we have a new record with half the fucking race with no car sounds (except for whatever trickled through the commentary window and down the microphones. Half a race to sort it.

This sort of shit TV coverage is pathetic. I'm assuming it's not Sky's fault, and they just broadcast the signal that ITV give them. I just wish those stupid poms would get their crap together and do something right for once. Even the inbred NASCAR goons can muster up a decent broadcast.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on March 23, 2008, 10:56:39 pm
It must be you dood - my coverage was fine. In fact, when Coulthard's radio didn't come through the commentators even repeated it for us. Get Sky rather than that dodgy russian internet link that you're tuned in on. :rasb:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: cardossius on March 24, 2008, 01:38:19 am
hmmmmmmmm another start of the season race. nothing seems concrete as of yet.

stoked of course that kimi won but still annoyed deep down that massacontinues his normal expectations. Urrrrrhhhhhhhhhhh.

ferrari have everything they need to win the championship on merit and not in court this season. fingers crossed.

they can be as quick as they have been this weekend, but i will still cross my fingers right up until 3 hours after the race. Pending disqualification.

onto the next race
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on March 24, 2008, 01:40:22 am
Quote from: TofuEater;680864
It must be you dood - my coverage was fine. In fact, when Coulthard's radio didn't come through the commentators even repeated it for us. Get Sky rather than that dodgy russian internet link that you're tuned in on. :rasb:

Not only do I have sky digital, I have it hooked up to my PC as well. I have the whole sloppy mess recorded to HDD. In fact, I have every race for the last few years, in their entirety. They DEFINITELY fucked it up. Sometimes you could hear cars going around, and more often as the field spread out, but until lap 31, when we were onboard with Jarno Trulli I can assure you that there was no correct audio feed from the trackside cameras, car cameras, or pit radio. That was the EXACT moment that those dickheads in the ITV tech dept finally worked out their fuck-up and resolved it. Lap fucking 31. I can even upload that bit so you can see what I mean if need be.

They have different feeds for different countries, so the European coverage was probably fine. I don't know WHY they have different feeds / channels for different countries, except perhaps for sorting out different ad breaks.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 24, 2008, 01:48:32 am
Quote from: Shasta;680928
Not only do I have sky digital, I have it hooked up to my PC as well. I have the whole sloppy mess recorded to HDD. In fact, I have every race for the last few years, in their entirety. They DEFINITELY fucked it up. Sometimes you could hear cars going around, and more often as the field spread out, but until lap 31, when we were onboard with Jarno Trulli I can assure you that there was no correct audio feed from the trackside cameras, car cameras, or pit radio. That was the EXACT moment that those dickheads in the ITV tech dept finally worked out their fuck-up and resolved it. Lap fucking 31. I can even upload that bit so you can see what I mean if need be.

They have different feeds for different countries, so the European coverage was probably fine. I don't know WHY they have different feeds / channels for different countries, except perhaps for sorting out different ad breaks.

You know we dont get the full coverage here in NZ eh? (would be nice to have the back catalogue of races though.

The proper ITV coverage has alot more pre race stuff and more stuff after as well...

Hopefully we get better coverage when BBC takes over... thats why i said it should be good...


Ferrari were damn quick today, but it could be the track as they said... it will probably swing back and forth like last year...

Plus it was great to see BMW on the pace and Trulli driving his ass off in the Toyota :D
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on March 24, 2008, 02:12:57 am
Quote from: Baffled;680930
You know we dont get the full coverage here in NZ eh? (would be nice to have the back catalogue of races though.

The proper ITV coverage has alot more pre race stuff and more stuff after as well...

Hopefully we get better coverage when BBC takes over... thats why i said it should be good...

Yep, I know they have their own pre/post race stuff, that's why I said I have each RACE in their entirety, not each ITV broadcast. The race is what counts, start to finish with no missing bits (except of course for the four 15 second ad breaks). I think all this mixing their own stuff, then sending a different start and finish broadcast to everyone else is where all the problems start.

Shit, I forgot another real annoying screw-up they do alot - the one where they have someone being interviewed after the race, then they switch to the press conference with the 3 podium winners - but still have the audio from the person being interviewed playing OVER TOP of the press conference. Hell, they even did it in the Melbourne GP last week. Absolute morons.

And yeah, I agree that BBC having it again could be good, hopefully there are some poms that know what they're doing in the tech dept. I hope they manage to get Martin Brundle too, and I guess James Allen if they can't find anyone better. Being an ex driver, Martin knows his stuff, and is a great commentator.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on March 24, 2008, 12:23:39 pm
Felipe Massa, Ferrari (DNF):
"On lap 31, I clipped the kerb at the exit to Turn 6 and hit it quite hard and then I lost the rear end going into the next corner. We have to check to see if the impact with the kerb damaged the car. It's a real shame because we could have brought home a one-two finish."

Thats his story, I personally think he just fucked up because he couldn't keep up with Kimi!!

And Tofu I prefer to judge a driver on each race. He was taken out in Melbourne, he fucked up at Sepang!!

Winner!!!!

Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on March 24, 2008, 01:35:23 pm
Yep, as Brundle wonderfully put it: It was either brain-fade or being too near his limits - it definitely seemed to be a case of ambition outweighing adhesion. He booted it too early without traction control to babysit him.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 24, 2008, 06:05:40 pm
Quote from: Quasikomodo;681070
Felipe Massa, Ferrari (DNF):
"On lap 31, I clipped the kerb at the exit to Turn 6 and hit it quite hard and then I lost the rear end going into the next corner. We have to check to see if the impact with the kerb damaged the car. It's a real shame because we could have brought home a one-two finish."

Thats his story, I personally think he just fucked up because he couldn't keep up with Kimi!!

And Tofu I prefer to judge a driver on each race. He was taken out in Melbourne, he fucked up at Sepang!!

Winner!!!!



Yea actually as soon as I saw it happened it reminded me of me in the ICONZ 100, if the going got tough, I started being fairly careless and usually crashed out.

so in other words, he rage quit.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 24, 2008, 06:07:55 pm
Quote from: Shasta;680824
Well, another typically shit bit of coverage from ITV / Sky. It ALWAYS seems to be either:

stretched screen, as if widescreen has been stretched to fullscreen,

car/track sounds, but no commentary (like the first half of quali this week,

commentary but no car/track sounds (like the first half of the whole damn race this week - cars could be heard faintly through the commentary speakers, and were louder as they went past the commentary box)

no sound when someone (Ted/Louise) interviews someone, or pit radio, all we hear is the commentators agreeing / whatever with silence.

Yes, these usually get resolved - but it's taking them longer and longer to sort it out. The worst I have seen is 12 laps with no commentary, but now we have a new record with half the fucking race with no car sounds (except for whatever trickled through the commentary window and down the microphones. Half a race to sort it.

This sort of shit TV coverage is pathetic. I'm assuming it's not Sky's fault, and they just broadcast the signal that ITV give them. I just wish those stupid poms would get their crap together and do something right for once. Even the inbred NASCAR goons can muster up a decent broadcast.


Quote from: TofuEater;680864
It must be you dood - my coverage was fine. In fact, when Coulthard's radio didn't come through the commentators even repeated it for us. Get Sky rather than that dodgy russian internet link that you're tuned in on. :rasb:


Yea mine was fine, although it was delayed coverage (started at 11 pm) so they may have fixed it up for us awesome Aussies.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 24, 2008, 06:18:49 pm
I watched it on Sky1 (through telstra cable) and it was perfectly fine. Last weeks race was a bit screwed though with no commentary for half of the qualifying.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on March 24, 2008, 07:45:04 pm
Look guys. You seem to be trying to imply that there was a problem on my end. This is impossible. It is broadcast to me in stereo at best. I do not have separate streams available to "accidentally" leave on/off. I cannot separate the commentary stream/channel from the trackside audio stream/channel. That can only be done BEFORE they are mushed together for broadcast. I have undenyable proof that for 31 laps, the only audio was from the commentary box - and this included the sound of the cars that penetrated the commentary box window and was picked up by the commentary mics.

I submit to you in all seriousness that if you were watching the live broadcast on NZ sky digital and DIDN'T notice any problem, that you either REALLY don't pay attention to what you watch, or you're too stupid to realize when the sound you are hearing has nothing to do with the sound you are watching. Did it not occur to you that all the onboard video had absolutely no onboard sound at all? That as the cars went by the trackside cameras, there was no "zzzZZZZOOOOOoooommm" - unless there was a faded sounding zoom from a car that happened to be passing the commentary box at the same time.

I know exactly what I'm talking about - I do a LOT of video / audio stuff, including some TV work - and I find it amusing, if not disheartening, that many of you think there was no problem. I think I'll upload the proof, highlighting the problems, to youtube and call it "More major ITV screwups - ICONZ members too dopey to notice?".

Come on guys. You should know by now that I never say something unless I'm 100% sure of it. Arguing with me on this one is pointless.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on March 24, 2008, 08:16:39 pm
Quote from: Quasikomodo;681070

And Tofu I prefer to judge a driver on each race. He was taken out in Melbourne, he fucked up at Sepang!!

C'mon dood, you know he's not going to finish fuck all races this season. As long as someone's putting the pressure on (which no-one managed to Raikonnen yesterday) they're both an accident waiting to happen. :heheh:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on March 24, 2008, 08:27:05 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;681318
C'mon dood, you know he's not going to finish fuck all races this season. As long as someone's putting the pressure on (which no-one managed to Raikonnen yesterday) they're both an accident waiting to happen. :heheh:


C'mon dude, you know you shouldn't put Massa in the same league as Raikkonen. Massa is an A grade screw-up. Raikkonen can drive the nuts off a car (literally, as his time with McLarens fragile cars showed). It's a little disappointing that he seems to need a bit of an adjustment period without traction control, but in no way does that detract from his undeniable skills as a driver.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: cardossius on March 24, 2008, 10:20:17 pm
Originally Posted by John Ansell
'People think if you throw money at people, you're caring for them. It's not only incorrect, it's immoral ... '

lol words of the poor.

i agree massa is a great driver, you do not become a ferrari driver for no reason. and if being paid to accompany the obvious lead driver is a way to get a seat, then so be it.

irvine and barrichello and massa all did (or do) great jobs as not taking away anyhting from the number one driver.

Now.......................

Lewis and Heivi, I say hamilton, but heivi was not a slow bastard last year, not at all.

Stoked to see trulli the bmws and williams gunning it. Awesome.

Lets hope the 2nd group of cars can throw some spanners at the ferraris and the mclarens this year.

The speed of the others has creeped up considerably and hopefully its not because the top two teams arent as fast as they seem to be.

Fingers crossed.

PS: my coverage is awesome, i just watch the timing screen for an hour and a bit, it gives you the facts, not the entertainment (then i download the race).
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: cardossius on March 25, 2008, 07:32:41 pm
Quote from: Xt1ncT;680759
+1

Been trying to get them to talk about F1, but to no avail.

Seems they are more interested in flaming and trolliing than the racing.

Shame no admins see fit to do the decent thing.

Only an hour and a half to the race - looking forward to it, Sean is a great track - hard on tyres and brakes as well.


Ahahahahahahahaha

Still going, alrighty.

Bahrain looking interesting, will it be the race that everything settles into the norm. Lets hope so. Never liked circus f1. Prefer to actually see the cars all on track at the same time in there right positions.

Could be the most boring race ever, but it would be the most technically correct race. It makes all the paper work and analysing they do more understanderble. In the sense that they dont have to use numbers to explain it to us, just watch the trakc instead.

Never will happen though.

And another note:

Who here is more interested in the technical side of things over the actual racing. I prep with hours of behind the scenes research, and watch the races to see the colorful cars.

guess its my old indy car self coming through. Imagine 20 odd cars all doing laps within a second of eachother, not thats hearty.
Title: Is it slow news week or something
Post by: TofuEater on March 26, 2008, 07:42:37 pm
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/4/story.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10500286

Quote
Motorsport: Alonso linked with Ferrari move for 2009

Fernando Alonso is hinting that he has the option to drive for Ferrari next season.

Only two races into the 2008 Formula One season, rumours are connecting Fernando Alonso to a drive with Ferrari in 2009.

Hilarious - and i hope Ferrari take him. Because that would prove that there isn't a brain-cell to rub together in their "brains trust".

Why would you possibly put Alonso in the second seat (surely he's not going to play second fiddle to Raikonnen) when his track record shows that he's a fatuous prima-donna who would spit the dummy when he doesn't get things his own way?

Though Massa isn't much of a driver, he's more of a team player than Alonso - who is probably only now beginning to understand the ramifications of stabbing his team in the back. Though it appears not, because i can't see Briatore taking him back a third time when he finds out that no-one bothers putting on sunglasses when he tells them that the light shines out his arse.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: cardossius on March 26, 2008, 08:15:40 pm
Yeah agreed, massa is a good team player.

Alonso in a ferrari...........hmmmmmmmmmmm

I would have been all for it if he didnt look like a sulk last year. Now i just agree that Alonso will cry harder if kimi out does him. Not that im saying kimi is better.

Who wants a driver who changes there mind on a team after one year, especially when you have a car capable of immediate results.

Mind you, Ive seen anger at drivers one year, then they get all the good reputation the next.

Could be Alonso.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 26, 2008, 10:28:42 pm
It would be great to see Alonso go to Ferarri! (I support McLaren :D)

Wont be much fun for kimi - I would hope Kimi is the better driver though.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 26, 2008, 10:30:48 pm
I reckon that would be awesome actually, Kimi + Alonso. As long as they both get on with each other which is extremely doubtful.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 28, 2008, 07:05:10 pm
Coulthard’s Red Bull auctioned online

A lucky enthusiast has bought themselves a slice of Formula One history after snapping up the Red Bull driven by David Coulthard at the 2007 British Grand Prix on website eBay for €210,050. The online auction was held by the team on Sunday night in aid of the Wings for Life charity, a foundation set up to fund research into spinal injuries.

The RB3 went under the hammer with its special ‘Faces for Charity’ livery, which the team ran during last year's Silverstone event. More than 50,000 Formula One fans donated money in exchange for their photographs becoming part of a huge collage which covered the car’s bodywork. The car’s new owner has chosen to remain anonymous.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/3/7564.html


I want Hamilton's car, bit short on cash though :(
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Fragin on April 01, 2008, 01:24:04 am
I'm coming out of retirement just to let you know that what I always suspected has now been confirmed...



FORMULA One motor racing chief Max Mosley is today exposed as a secret sado-masochist sex pervert.




http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/3003_nazi_orgy.shtml

"Mosley—the most powerful man in motor-racing—barks orders in German as he WHIPS two hookers dressed in striped uniforms reminiscent of AUSCHWITZ garb while girls in Nazi uniforms look on.

At one point the wrinkled 67-year-old—who publicly likes to give the impression he has put his father's evil legacy behind him—yells "she needs more of ze punishment!" while brandishing a LEATHER STRAP over a brunette's naked bottom.


...Mosley was then bent over and strapped naked to a leather torture bench. The muscular blonde dealt him 15 savage blows. Towards the end Mosley was whimpering and gasped for breath. Reddened and bruised, he then received a further six strokes with a cane. "

(http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/images/homepage/3003_orgy_08.jpg)




Meanwhile...

"Formula One's governing body, the FIA, has kept its distance from sexual allegations in a British tabloid newspaper about its president Max Mosley."

There was also a sense of shock from those involved in F1. Stirling Moss told The Times: "I don't see how he can continue. I hope he can, frankly, because I think he's very good at what he does. I suppose what goes on behind closed doors is his business but when a thing comes out like this . . . it's an absolute shocker."

Not everyone, however, felt Mosley's position as president of the FIA had been compromised.

F1's commercial boss Bernie Ecclestone, who has long been a close ally of Mosley, said he was surprised by the allegations but did not feel it meant Mosley had to quit.

"I've known him an awful long time," he told The Times. "If somebody had told me this without the evidence I would have found it difficult to believe. Assuming it's all true, what people do privately is up to them. "

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/66248



That is all.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on April 01, 2008, 01:31:09 am
Lol.. WTF.

EDIT: This better not be an April fools thing. Bit early for the UK to be celebrating April fools.

EDIT2: His father was a friend of Hitlers and he was the leader of the British Union of Fascists
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 01, 2008, 06:48:45 am
Just normal British foreplay.

Eh Xtinct?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on April 01, 2008, 07:12:08 am
Meh, who hasn't been to School Dinners? :rnr:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on April 03, 2008, 06:05:26 pm
Could we see a Kiwi in the F1 driver ranks soon? And Toro Rosso is showing some pace this year as well!

NZ's Brendon Hartley in secret F1 trial

http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=66&objectid=10501846
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on April 05, 2008, 07:25:50 pm
Quote from: Quasikomodo;688354
Could we see a Kiwi in the F1 driver ranks soon? And Toro Rosso is showing some pace this year as well!

NZ's Brendon Hartley in secret F1 trial

[url]http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=66&objectid=10501846[/url]


Awesome, just read this. Hope he gets a race this year, that would be sweet.
Title: Congratulations to Kubrica
Post by: TofuEater on April 06, 2008, 01:13:18 am
His first pole, and the same for BMW - well done. :rnr:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on April 06, 2008, 02:53:51 am
Yea, now I think if he can hold onto it for the first lap he should be able to keep it.

he seems to be fairly capable of holding his position, oh well, only time will tell.

Hopefully a good race.
Title: Congratulations to Massa
Post by: Zarkov on April 07, 2008, 06:31:51 am
Talent wins through..
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on April 07, 2008, 12:23:44 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;690511
Talent wins through..


As I said previously Massa is a good 'un!! So he fucked up in ONE race so far this year, that doesn't make a whole career.

Go Ferrari, BMW are looking very good as well! Its great to have 3 competitive teams in F1 for a change.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on April 07, 2008, 12:29:50 pm
Damn.

Lewis had a shocker. Gutted that Massa won - I used to like Ferrari - well back in the day when Mansell drove for them I did, not anymore following all their dubious tactics etc of recent (Schumacher) years.

Great that BMW are up there, and Williams seem to be doing better these days as well. Williams will always be my number one team, although they've had some poor years recently - mainly because all the manufacturers basicly have their own teams, and Frank didn't want to sell out to BMW.

Hears hoping Lewis can do better next time. SHaping up to be a great chamionship this year.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 07, 2008, 04:45:19 pm
Quote from: Xt1ncT;690659
Damn.

Lewis had a shocker. Gutted that Massa won - I used to like Ferrari - well back in the day when Mansell drove for them I did, not anymore following all their dubious tactics etc of recent (Schumacher) years.

Great that BMW are up there, and Williams seem to be doing better these days as well. Williams will always be my number one team, although they've had some poor years recently - mainly because all the manufacturers basicly have their own teams, and Frank didn't want to sell out to BMW.

Hears hoping Lewis can do better next time. SHaping up to be a great chamionship this year.



You probably thought Damon Hill was the man.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on April 07, 2008, 04:52:10 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;690926
You probably thought Damon Hill was the man.
HAha - he won a Wrld Title didn't he?

ALthough almost by default after Ayrton was killed. WIlliams had by far the best car then - just ask Mansell, Prost, Villeneuve and Hill.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 07, 2008, 05:00:18 pm
A fast car always makes you look good.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on April 07, 2008, 05:03:06 pm
Quote from: Xt1ncT;690932
HAha - he won a Wrld Title didn't he?

ALthough almost by default after Ayrton was killed. WIlliams had by far the best car then - just ask Mansell, Prost, Villeneuve and Hill.


Quote from: Zarkov;690939
A fast car always makes you look good.
Didn't you read what I said?

The guys I mentioned were either nowhere near the best in the field, or were past their best and yet still won in the Williams Renault (I think it was the Renault engine??) - ergo it was more the car than the driver.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 07, 2008, 05:05:59 pm
Quote from: Xt1ncT;690944
Didn't you read what I said?

The guys I mentioned were either nowhere near the best in the field, or were past their best and yet still won in the Williams Renault (I think it was the Renault engine??) - ergo it was more the car than the driver.

I was agreeing with you.

Although it stuck in my claw, I mean craw.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on April 07, 2008, 05:12:15 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;690950
I was agreeing with you.
That's ok then.

'Cos I was right ;)
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on April 08, 2008, 12:37:06 am
[video]X_8376YuxJ8&[/video]
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on May 06, 2008, 08:21:17 pm
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=42514

Saw it coming.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on May 23, 2008, 01:16:27 am
http://bilmosk.org/simulcastPlayer.swf

40 second delayed F1!!!!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on May 25, 2008, 05:22:22 pm
FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 2008
Pos    No    Driver    Team    Q1   Q2   Q3    Laps
1    2    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    1:15.190   1:15.110   1:15.787    20
2    1    Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    1:15.717   1:15.404   1:15.815    19
3    22    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    1:15.582   1:15.322   1:15.839    20
4    23    Heikki Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    1:15.295   1:15.389   1:16.165    25
5    4    Robert Kubica    BMW Sauber    1:15.977   1:15.483   1:16.171    18
6    7    Nico Rosberg    Williams-Toyota    1:15.935   1:15.287   1:16.548    24
7    5    Fernando Alonso    Renault    1:16.646   1:15.827   1:16.852    20
8    11    Jarno Trulli    Toyota    1:16.306   1:15.598   1:17.203    21
9    10    Mark Webber    Red Bull-Renault    1:16.074   1:15.745   1:17.343    19
10    9    David Coulthard    Red Bull-Renault    1:16.086   1:15.839   no time    18
11    12    Timo Glock    Toyota    1:16.285   1:15.907      16
12    16    Jenson Button    Honda    1:16.259   1:16.101      13
13    3    Nick Heidfeld    BMW Sauber    1:16.650   1:16.455      14
14    8    Kazuki Nakajima    Williams-Toyota    1:16.756   1:16.479      16
15    17    Rubens Barrichello    Honda    1:16.208   1:16.537      12
16    14    Sebastien Bourdais    STR-Ferrari    1:16.806         9
17    6    Nelsinho Piquet    Renault    1:16.933         8
18    15    Sebastian Vettel    STR-Ferrari    1:16.955         11
19    20    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Ferrari    1:17.225         12
20    21    Giancarlo Fisichella    Force India-Ferrari    1:17.823         8

Go Filipe.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on May 25, 2008, 05:29:53 pm
Go Rosberg tbh.

EDIT: Crazy Dave had a pretty awesome crash during Q2 last night as well. Still got 10th though.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on May 26, 2008, 09:55:02 am
w00t..!!!

Go Lewis, great victory. First Englishman to win at Monaco since about 1969 or something like that.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on May 26, 2008, 10:27:12 am
Quote from: Zarkov;722991
Go Filipe.

Yeah, top driver that one.

Good to see Webber get fourth.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on May 26, 2008, 02:26:28 pm
I feel sorry for Sutil, he was doing really well and his 4th? place would've helped his career and his team out heaps, then bloody Kimi went and ruined it all, not completely blaming Kimi as obviously as he has proven even the best make mistakes.

I watched it live on America's 'Speed' TV, their commentators need to be shot.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on June 04, 2008, 03:38:06 pm
Man that last race sucked for sutil, but it was a great race for hamilton.. thought it was all over when he crashed but then he only lost a couple of places. Was a great race to watch.

In other news...

NAZI PERVERT WINS VOTE OF CONFIDENCE!

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/6/7869.html

After Tuesday’s Extraordinary General Assembly (EGA), the FIA released the following statement:

"During the EGA held in Paris today, the FIA Member Clubs voted on a motion of confidence in the FIA President. The FIA membership voted as follows:

For the motion: 103
Against the motion: 55
Abstentions: seven
Invalid votes: four

"Voting in the EGA was made by secret ballot. Votes were counted in private by the FIA legal department in the presence of four scrutineers, selected by the EGA from a list of Delegates proposed by the Chairman of the meeting (the President of the FIA Senate).

"The entire voting procedure was supervised by an external Huissier de Justice (French state-appointed public witness)."



Oh and its only 2 days til they kick off the next race in Montreal! Go Lewis! But i would like to see Heiki win a race and I hope Sutil can get some better luck this time.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on June 04, 2008, 04:39:21 pm
NZ voted for him.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on June 04, 2008, 08:28:14 pm
Hardly surprising. It's not the end of the matter though - if the sponsors want him gone then he won't last past the AGM in September.
Title: Montreal Spoilers
Post by: TofuEater on June 09, 2008, 07:26:30 am
Quote from: Baffled;684200
A lucky enthusiast has bought themselves a slice of Formula One history after snapping up the Red Bull driven by David Coulthard at the 2007 British Grand Prix on website eBay for €210,050.

A bargain at the price considering that Coulthard has just finished 3rd - well done to him.

It was a day for the drivers i don't rate, though Hamilton taking out Raikonnen created an opportunity for the pack to shine. As much as it chokes in my throat to say it, Massa drove incredibly well and pulled out some amazing moves to finish fifth considering he had three pit stops. His pass of Kovalainen while he was trying to take Barichello was as good as i've seen all season, if not the last few years.

At least i'm able to spot some talent, as i've always thought that Kubrica was the goods and so it's proving. He was very good today and should be traded to Maclaren for Kovalainen immediately. :rnr:
Title: Formula 1 is a joke
Post by: TofuEater on June 09, 2008, 01:48:00 pm
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/4/story.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10515246
I can't believe they gave Hamilton a 10 place penalty for the pit lane incident. Far out - if he was driving a Ferrari he would have been given the keys to Maranello. What a friggen joke.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on June 09, 2008, 05:05:02 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;731983
At least i'm able to spot some talent,...Kubrica...Maclaren.... :rnr:


Pity you're not able to spot spelling lol - Kubica, McLaren.

Just winding you up.


Great race, - I'm sure we can dispense with the spoilers now - any F1 fan that hasn't seen it yet and didn't want the race spoiled for them would be stupid to come check out the F1 thread. I'm happy for Kubica, he's always looked like a future star, glad he got his win finally - and is leading the championship! I'd be surprised if this years BMW can be strong enough to let him take the title, but good luck to him anyway. Lewis had a major facepalm moment, although I'm sure Sutil and Force India wet themselves laughing at Kimis slightly ironic misfortune. I agree that while Massa generally = fail unless  he gets a good start from pole, but I also agree that he didn't do a bad job to end up 5th, and the 2 for 1 pass on Kovy/Bar was quite inspired, if not fortunate.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on June 09, 2008, 05:29:10 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;732161
[url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/4/story.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10515246[/url]
I can't believe they gave Hamilton a 10 place penalty for the pit lane incident. Far out - if he was driving a Ferrari he would have been given the keys to Maranello. What a friggen joke.


BS 10 place penalty... he was driving great until then.

Great win for Kubica though and I agree, trade him to McLaren!
Title: And now Kovalainen has been dropped back too
Post by: TofuEater on June 22, 2008, 07:54:43 am
Five places on the grid. Why don't they just bring in a Ferrari rule, which says that all Mclarens must start from the back. :cussing:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on June 23, 2008, 04:37:58 pm
Go Filipe.


FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE FRANCE 2008


Pos    No    Driver    Team    Laps    Time/Retired    Grid    Pts

1    2    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    70    1:31:50.245    2    10
2    1    Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    70    +17.9 secs    1    8
3    11    Jarno Trulli    Toyota    70    +28.2 secs    4    6
4    23    Heikki Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    70    +28.9 secs    10    5
5    4    Robert Kubica    BMW Sauber    70    +30.5 secs    5    4
6    10    Mark Webber    Red Bull-Renault    70    +40.3 secs    6    3
7    6    Nelsinho Piquet    Renault    70    +41.0 secs    9    2
8    5    Fernando Alonso    Renault    70    +43.3 secs    3    1
9    9    David Coulthard    Red Bull-Renault    70    +51.0 secs    7    
10    22    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    70    +54.5 secs    13    
11    12    Timo Glock    Toyota    70    +57.7 secs    8    
12    15    Sebastian Vettel    STR-Ferrari    70    +58.0 secs    12    
13    3    Nick Heidfeld    BMW Sauber    70    +62.0 secs    11    
14    17    Rubens Barrichello    Honda    69    +1 Lap    20    
15    8    Kazuki Nakajima    Williams-Toyota    69    +1 Lap    15    
16    7    Nico Rosberg    Williams-Toyota    69    +1 Lap    19    
17    14    Sebastien Bourdais    STR-Ferrari    69    +1 Lap    14    
18    21    Giancarlo Fisichella    Force India-Ferrari    69    +1 Lap    17    
19    20    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Ferrari    69    +1 Lap    18    
Ret    16    Jenson Button    Honda    16    Accident damage    16
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on July 06, 2008, 03:45:30 pm
Webber on the front row at Silverstone - excellent stuff. Good to see Kovalainen get his first pole too. Just shows how good those Mclaren's are when the stewards keep their beaks out of it. :rnr:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on July 06, 2008, 05:03:38 pm
Something has to explain Hamilton's performance last season.

Now Alonso's gone he's got some competition.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on July 06, 2008, 09:10:49 pm
Enjoy Silverstone while you can. After next year, the British GP is off to Donnington.

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=43211
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on July 07, 2008, 08:59:27 am
no traction control + wet weather = awesome race.


Kovalainen was a waste of money. I'd actually rather Mclaren made up with Alonso than keep this pussy on the team. Two races in a row he hasn't been watching his rear view mirror when overtaking, only to be overtaken himself. And twice he spun when put under the slightest pressure from behind. He made a good move to get to fourth in front of Alonso (but even then in a faster car it took him far too long), only to bin it and allow Alonso and Raikonnen to get past. :disappoin

Hamilton was unreal. If he wins the championship i think he'll look back at this race as being the point where it all became possible. To lap every other car in the race bar two (including his own teammate) was an incredible feat, made all the more exciting when Raikonnen and Heidfeld were closing on him.

He was on the wrong tyres after the first pit stop but was still able to hold off fast chasing Barricello and maintain his position until the intermediates came into their own again.

Excellent stuff.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on July 07, 2008, 01:07:50 pm
Bloody Webber.

Oh well, exciting race!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: vedds on July 16, 2008, 05:46:24 pm
Have just booked flights to budapest, will post photos. Id actually like a replay of silverstone from the excitement aspect, but sunny weather so the pit gils wear less. HMMMM
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on July 16, 2008, 06:53:03 pm
Quote from: vedds;756788
Have just booked flights to budapest, will post photos. Id actually like a replay of silverstone from the excitement aspect, but sunny weather so the pit gils wear less. HMMMM


Awesome, have fun! Im jealous...


Isnt it a bit late to be booking tickets though? Must be expensive.

Also how much do the f1 tickets cost and what grandstand are you in?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: vedds on July 16, 2008, 07:32:21 pm
Its fucking late, Costing $3.2k return to get to london, a mate has  booked flights from london to Bratislava for 50 pounds return, going to train it to Hungary. Tickets cost $300 (100 pounds), no idea what stand. All I know is we're staying in a decent hotel in the center of budapest.

The boys brought me a ticket as a bit of a joke when i was in the uk in January, and I decided fuck it, how often do you get the opportunity to go to F1 in eastern europe with some good mates?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on July 16, 2008, 08:36:24 pm
Quote from: vedds;756917
Its fucking late, Costing $3.2k return to get to london, a mate has  booked flights from london to Bratislava for 50 pounds return, going to train it to Hungary. Tickets cost $300 (100 pounds), no idea what stand. All I know is we're staying in a decent hotel in the center of budapest.

The boys brought me a ticket as a bit of a joke when i was in the uk in January, and I decided fuck it, how often do you get the opportunity to go to F1 in eastern europe with some good mates?


Awesome man, will be well worth it. Get lots of pics :D and bring back a pit girl or 2 - they are pretty small so you can probably get them in your suitcase
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on July 16, 2008, 10:37:12 pm
Oh awesome. I am hopefully going to be at Melbourne next year, but don't have anywhere near enough money to consider going overseas to see a race.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on July 17, 2008, 07:44:55 am
Quote from: vedds;756917
The boys brought me a ticket as a bit of a joke when i was in the uk in January, and I decided fuck it, how often do you get the opportunity to go to F1 in eastern europe with some good mates?

Excellent, i love that kind of behaviour. :rnr:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on July 21, 2008, 01:37:21 am
Brundle: Well that wasn't the best lap of Felippe Massa's career, that's for sure.
*snigger*
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on July 21, 2008, 01:58:16 am
Rofl. Massa is such a fraud. He's fast on a clear track. As soon as there's actual racing to be done, he panics and goes into fail-overdrive. What a joke. He didn't even deserve 3rd. Good on Piquet though, time will tell if he's going to be a lucky wannabe or not, but good on him for doing something right this season finally - and great job making Alonso look like a fiery ball of all-or-nothing. Lewis didn't do too bad either, coming from 1st, to 4th after that last pitstop, then back to 1st again - by passing on the track.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on July 21, 2008, 12:21:03 pm
Go Lewis

Nice to see he's showing his talent again after some poor results and the nightmare that was the end of last season.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: kilabee on July 21, 2008, 05:06:44 pm
This session is shaping up to be a real thriller:rnr::rnr::rnr:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on July 21, 2008, 05:36:28 pm
Awesome race, gogo hamilton, made it a great finish.

Heiki is still useless, kubica would be a better team mate for hamilton (might even be faster).

Was also great to see the Ferarris struggling! :D


Good result for piquet but alot of it was luck. Also bad luck for timo glock, he was having a great race until his suspension failed.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Temp on July 21, 2008, 05:56:36 pm
It was definitely a very weak fight Massa put up, Schumy must of been watching that and felt disgusted. Shumy probably woulda taken them both out to keep them on 48 points.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on July 21, 2008, 07:56:25 pm
Quote from: Templar;760017
It was definitely a very weak fight Massa put up, Schumy must of been watching that and felt disgusted. Shumy probably woulda taken them both out to keep them on 48 points.


Lol QFT.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on July 21, 2008, 08:36:11 pm
I hate to admit it but you're both right.

I had high hopes for Massa this season, but not so sure now.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Temp on August 04, 2008, 04:07:10 pm
Did you watch the race this morning Zarkov? I had to say I was massively impressed by Massas big cohones at the start and he has gained back my respect with the race he just had.


What a great disappointment it was that his engine let go with 3 laps left though, heartbreaker.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on August 04, 2008, 04:13:01 pm
Quote from: Templar;770087
Did you watch the race this morning Zarkov? I had to say I was massively impressed by Massas big cohones at the start and he has gained back my respect with the race he just had.

I watched up to the middle of the race. It seems like Hamilton never expected him to make a move like that - i have to say i don't think many people thought he had it in him.
Disappointing for Hamilton to get a flat, but it seems that he's pretty hard on his tyres.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on August 04, 2008, 04:56:37 pm
Yea I watched until there was about 30 laps left, then got distracted, didn't seem like too much was happening, good luck for Kovalainen.
Title: Raikkonen to quit?
Post by: TofuEater on August 05, 2008, 04:11:12 pm
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/9/story.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10525381
Damon Hill raised this during the race and Raikkonen himself has brought up the possibility of dropping out, saying that Formula One wasn't the be-all-and-end-all. Interesting. Let's start speculating about replacements - the early sniff is Alonso or Kubrica.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on August 05, 2008, 04:56:47 pm
Alonso?

Haha.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on August 05, 2008, 06:14:46 pm
Yeah, I've been a Raikkonnen fan since he started, but he's pretty lazy and only performs when he feels like it. He often only gets up 20 mins before he has to be in the car. He loses motivation really easily. I think he's got to the point where he has a championship now, heaps of money, and I think he just wants to go spend it and party now etc. I think after his contract expires next year he'll quit F1, unless something drastic happens like he starts kicking arse in every race with ease. As soon as something bad happens to him he pretty much gives up.

The rumours are that Alonso is up for his seat when he goes, and Ferrari don't seem to care about his prima donna attitude, so wait and see I guess.

2009 is pretty much a reset button for everyone, as the rules - especially the aero rules and the KERS devices - are so different that literally anyone could be up the top, as the cars are virtually a clean slate.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on August 05, 2008, 07:50:39 pm
Hmm, ever since Alonso originally left Renault he hasn't been that great really. As if Ferrari want the sloppy thirds.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on August 05, 2008, 09:15:00 pm
Quote from: Phil Aysheeo;770942
Ferrari don't seem to care about his prima donna attitude,

Don't seem to care? Dood, he'll fit in perfectly. :bigglasse
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on August 05, 2008, 09:45:53 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;771128
Don't seem to care? Dood, he'll fit in perfectly. :bigglasse

Ferrari could give team lessons to the All Blacks.

Ferrari and Schuey were one of the all time great teams by any definition of the word.

Alonso wouldn't know the meaning of the word.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: vedds on August 12, 2008, 05:03:29 am
A few snaps from the Hungaroring.
Outstanding day, race, crowd, and the perfect finish with Massa shitting out and the Mclaren coming through for the win:rnr::rnr:

I'll post some video when i get back to NZ
Title: Another bullshit result for Ferarri
Post by: TofuEater on August 25, 2008, 08:32:10 pm
Of course if it had been Hamilton that had been released into the path of Sutil, Mclaren would have been stripped of all their points, faced a majesterial inquiry and had the scrutineers pore over their 2009 car before letting them race next season. Ron Dennis would have had to swear his first born to the devil (Ecclestone) and taken full page ads out in all the major European newspapers begging forgiveness. Meanwhile, Ferarri get a wet bus ticket to help Massa get up to speed. :cussing:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: vedds on August 26, 2008, 08:19:43 pm
Got to keep 85% of the fans happy.

Im looking forward to next year and the new rules. Will be interesting to see how massa goes with a car that isnt superior and hell have to learn to drive in traffic.....
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on August 26, 2008, 08:37:34 pm
He's going to be 2008 World Champion.

Not bad for someone who can't drive, even if you believe Tofu conspiracy theories.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on August 26, 2008, 09:16:23 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;783798
He's going to be 2008 World Champion.

Care to make it interesting?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on August 26, 2008, 09:29:54 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;783798
He's going to be 2008 World Champion.

Not bad for someone who can't drive, even if you believe Tofu conspiracy theories.


Hamiltons got it this time. Massa can go (and try) get a gp2 title.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on August 26, 2008, 09:33:55 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;783839
Care to make it interesting?


If I'm wrong I'll acknowledge your expertise.

If not, I'll say I told you so.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on August 26, 2008, 09:46:09 pm
Quote from: vedds;783783
Got to keep 85% of the fans happy.

Im looking forward to next year and the new rules. Will be interesting to see how massa goes with a car that isnt superior and hell have to learn to drive in traffic.....


Quite to the contrary I think the McLaren at this stage of the season is the better, more sorted car. Massa is simply driving around the Ferrari's limitations ... pity about their new found reliability problems as well!!

Much as I respect Hamilton and his driving skills ..... go Felipe!!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on August 28, 2008, 11:07:58 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;783851
If I'm wrong I'll acknowledge your expertise.

If not, I'll say I told you so.

Oh, i was thinking something along the lines of sending a pm that the other person had to repeat verbatim in a thread to mark the occasion.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on September 07, 2008, 02:59:12 pm
Start your engines.

Grid positions.

2008 FORMULA 1 ING BELGIAN GRAND PRIX
Pos    No    Driver    Team    Q1   Q2   Q3    Laps
1    22    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    1:46.887   1:46.088   1:47.338    12
2    2    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    1:46.873   1:46.391   1:47.678    16
3    23    Heikki Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    1:46.812   1:46.037   1:47.815    16
4    1    Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    1:46.960   1:46.298   1:47.992    14
5    3    Nick Heidfeld    BMW Sauber    1:47.419   1:46.311   1:48.315    18
6    5    Fernando Alonso    Renault    1:47.154   1:46.491   1:48.504    18
7    10    Mark Webber    Red Bull-Renault    1:47.270   1:46.814   1:48.736    19
8    4    Robert Kubica    BMW Sauber    1:47.093   1:46.494   1:48.763    20
9    14    Sebastien Bourdais    STR-Ferrari    1:46.777   1:46.544   1:48.951    19
10    15    Sebastian Vettel    STR-Ferrari    1:47.152   1:46.804   1:50.319    16
11    11    Jarno Trulli    Toyota    1:47.400   1:46.949      13
12    6    Nelsinho Piquet    Renault    1:47.052   1:46.965      15
13    12    Timo Glock    Toyota    1:47.359   1:46.995      13
14    9    David Coulthard    Red Bull-Renault    1:47.132   1:47.018      15
15    7    Nico Rosberg    Williams-Toyota    1:47.503   1:47.429      12
16    17    Rubens Barrichello    Honda    1:48.153         9
17    16    Jenson Button    Honda    1:48.211         9
18    20    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Ferrari    1:48.226         9
19    8    Kazuki Nakajima    Williams-Toyota    1:48.268         9
20    21    Giancarlo Fisichella    Force India-Ferrari    1:48.447         9
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on September 07, 2008, 10:51:30 pm
What's the best F1/Motorsport website btw?

I've had enough of the official one.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on September 08, 2008, 12:27:54 am
http://www.itv.com/f1 is alright.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on September 08, 2008, 01:53:55 am
Damn those last laps were awesome!

BL Kimi!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on September 08, 2008, 06:41:10 am
Go Massa.

Haha.

Cheater Hamilton gets relegated.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on September 08, 2008, 07:24:34 am
Oh what a bs ruling, he gave the spot back... and massa wouldnt have passed him.
Title: It all becomes clear
Post by: TofuEater on September 08, 2008, 07:32:15 am
F1 actually stands for Ferrari 1st. It's so obvious - but of course cats like Zarkov will take this "win" as an example of how good Massa is as a driver. Yet real drivers disagree:
"I don't think Hamilton did anything wrong," said Niki Lauda, a former world champion for both Ferrari and McLaren.
"He was going on the outside, he let him (Raikkonen) by... and afterwards he passed him."

:cussing:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: vedds on September 08, 2008, 01:03:35 pm
THis is another fail result by the fail F1 officials/ferrari boofers.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on September 08, 2008, 02:59:11 pm
What happened to Glock? I am sure he finished in 8th, Webber and him had a massive battle on the last lap, even the Australian commentators were talking about it after the race.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on September 08, 2008, 03:48:52 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;790831
F1 actually stands for Ferrari 1st. It's so obvious - but of course cats like Zarkov will take this "win" as an example of how good Massa is as a driver. Yet real drivers disagree:
"I don't think Hamilton did anything wrong," said Niki Lauda, a former world champion for both Ferrari and McLaren.
"He was going on the outside, he let him (Raikkonen) by... and afterwards he passed him."

:cussing:


The driver literally "cutting the the corner" isn't supposed to derive any advantage from it and Hamilton clearly did, since he never dropped back from an alongside position on the following straight.

Whats worse, is that Hamilton prevented Kimi from getting proper track position, which disadvantaged the Ferrari driver into the next corner and probably contributed to the fracas that ensued.

When Schumi did this sort of thing, everyone whined about it, and quite rightly so.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on September 08, 2008, 04:00:17 pm
You say tomatoe and i say tomato. Ultimately you know that if Massa or Raikkonnen had pulled the same move nothing would have been done about it. As it was, Massa should have been penalised in the last race for the pitlane breach, but the stewards got their payment from Ferrari, so turned a blind eye.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on September 08, 2008, 04:47:34 pm
What a joke. I back Kimi, but not Ferrari. Very disappointing that he screwed up so close to an important victory for him. I don't usually watch the podium ceremony etc, so what a load of shit that the result I saw on TV was not the end result. There was no mention of an investigation by the time Hamilton got out of his car and I turned the TV off. The incident was a typical "overshoot the corner in a failed passing attempt and run off the road". As long as he immediately let Kimi back in front - which he did - there is no further action required. It happens ALL the time. Any penalty being given at all for that is a joke, and the result being changed after the race is a joke.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on September 08, 2008, 04:48:36 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;791084
You say tomatoe and i say tomato. Ultimately you know that if Massa or Raikkonnen had pulled the same move nothing would have been done about it. As it was, Massa should have been penalised in the last race for the pitlane breach, but the stewards got their payment from Ferrari, so turned a blind eye.


Haha.

The National party must be slinging you a few bucks.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on September 08, 2008, 08:35:00 pm
Well .... even though I am a "Tifosi" and despise Ron Dennis, and for that reason Maclaren, I have to say on this occasion that I feel the stewards got it wrong and Hamilton's win should have stood. And please don't agree with me  Tofu as I find your rabid anti-Ferrari shit stirring extremely unpleasant and entirely unwarranted!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Temp on September 08, 2008, 11:27:09 pm
Have to say, screw watching it on Sky from now on, downloading it afterwards is a hell of a lot better, they actually make a proper show of it.

Spa is such an awesome shot and they finally had some camera shots that really do the steepness of Eau Rouge justice. Some really good coverage there.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on September 09, 2008, 08:15:49 pm
Quote from: Templar;791477
Have to say, screw watching it on Sky from now on, downloading it afterwards is a hell of a lot better, they actually make a proper show of it.

Spa is such an awesome shot and they finally had some camera shots that really do the steepness of Eau Rouge justice. Some really good coverage there.


Yea, I noticed that the coverage was awesome, some bloody good views!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on September 09, 2008, 10:33:27 pm
Quote from: Templar;791477
Have to say, screw watching it on Sky from now on, downloading it afterwards is a hell of a lot better, they actually make a proper show of it.

Spa is such an awesome shot and they finally had some camera shots that really do the steepness of Eau Rouge justice. Some really good coverage there.


Does Eau Rouge define the difference in the skills required nowadays compared with days gone by?

A few years ago only the very talented [or very brave] drove through there flat out.

Listening to them last race, seems they all do now.

I'm sure there are other car control skills required instead, but that fine balance between success and disaster maybe isn't there anymore.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Temp on September 09, 2008, 11:10:27 pm
Yeah the cars arent the same as in the 90s and they all can run through their flat with little problems now.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on September 14, 2008, 08:39:11 am
There's a front row you don't often see.

Very wet apparently.


.FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO SANTANDER D'ITALIA 2008

Pos    No    Driver    Team    Q1   Q2   Q3    Laps


1    15    Sebastian Vettel    STR-Ferrari    1:35.464   1:35.837   1:37.555    28
2    23    Heikki Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    1:35.214   1:35.843   1:37.631    24
3    10    Mark Webber    Red Bull-Renault    1:36.001   1:36.306   1:38.117    23
4    14    Sebastien Bourdais    STR-Ferrari    1:35.543   1:36.175   1:38.445    28
5    7    Nico Rosberg    Williams-Toyota    1:35.485   1:35.898   1:38.767    28
6    2    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    1:35.536   1:36.676   1:38.894    29
7    11    Jarno Trulli    Toyota    1:35.906   1:36.008   1:39.152    26
8    5    Fernando Alonso    Renault    1:36.297   1:36.518   1:39.751    28
9    12    Timo Glock    Toyota    1:35.737   1:36.525   1:39.787    28
10    3    Nick Heidfeld    BMW Sauber    1:35.709   1:36.626   1:39.906    26
11    4    Robert Kubica    BMW Sauber    1:35.553   1:36.697      21
12    21    Giancarlo Fisichella    Force India-Ferrari    1:36.280   1:36.698      19
13    9    David Coulthard    Red Bull-Renault    1:36.485   1:37.284      21
14    1    Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    1:35.965   1:37.522      21
15    22    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    1:35.394   1:39.265      19
16    17    Rubens Barrichello    Honda    1:36.510         12
17    6    Nelsinho Piquet    Renault    1:36.630         13
18    8    Kazuki Nakajima    Williams-Toyota    1:36.653         13
19    16    Jenson Button    Honda    1:37.006         13
20    20    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Ferrari    1:37.417
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on September 14, 2008, 09:11:09 am
Should be a good race to watch, just hope hamilton doesnt crash out.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on September 14, 2008, 08:55:20 pm
I wander how long it will take the grid to get back to usual.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on September 15, 2008, 12:57:46 am
Interesting race so far.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Menial on September 15, 2008, 12:58:48 am
Quote from: Spork;795298
I wander how long it will take the grid to get back to usual.


Just around the lounge?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on September 15, 2008, 12:59:53 am
Quote from: Menial;795482
Just around the lounge?

Sometimes I like to wander when I wonder.

Such a wonderful place that Rwanda is.

EDIT: GG Vettel! Fuckin awesome work! It really is awesome to see someone who appreciates the win, instead of just walking up to the podium and walking away with another win/ trophy, Vettel really did look as though he has appreciated his win.

He has a lot of formula 1 firsts.

Youngest driver to take part in an F1 race meeting, youngest to lead an F1 race, youngest to qualify on pole, youngest to win a race.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: grass on September 15, 2008, 03:35:56 pm
ye was a rather interesting race with so many slightly different stratagies in play
gg vettel though, totally deserved his win
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on September 16, 2008, 11:15:35 am
Well, much as I like Lewis Hamilton and the breath of fresh air he has brought to F1 (pity he races for MacLaren though) I have to say move over young fella there is a new kid in town!!

Go Sebastian Vettel!!!:rnr::rnr:
Now will someone put him in a decent car?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on September 23, 2008, 07:26:29 pm
Hoohah!!! Vettel gets Coulthards Red Bull car next year!!

The FIA is deliberating over Hamiltons Spa penalty .... it would be just and right if they reversed it!!
There ... I said it!! And me a Ferrari fan ,..... who would have thought!:eek:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on September 23, 2008, 10:44:10 pm
Quote from: Quasikomodo;800854
Hoohah!!! Vettel gets Coulthards Red Bull car next year!!

Err... old news is old.

Quote from: Quasikomodo;800854
The FIA is deliberating over Hamiltons Spa penalty .... it would be just and right if they reversed it!!
There ... I said it!! And me a Ferrari fan ,..... who would have thought!:eek:

Yep, they should reverse it - but they wont. They'll decide the sport has lost enough credibility by changing the result after the race that it would be even worse to change it back 2 weeks later. I'd even go so far as to say they'll decide that the penalty they applied (it comes under a drivethrough - less than 3 laps from the end a drivethrough becomes 25 sec added to race time) is not able to be appealed. Yes they're hearing the case, but they haven't even decided if they're allowed to do anything about it. That way they don't have to back McLaren or go against them. They can just claim they're unable to intervene.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on September 24, 2008, 12:49:07 am
If the appeal does go through does that mean Hamilton would receive the 10 points for the race? I must admit that'd be weird, if it was me, I would just want it to be accepted so I could have a clean(er) sheet.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on September 24, 2008, 03:43:51 am
Aaaaaaaaaaand what did I tell ya:

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=44040

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FIA rejects Spa appeal as inadmissible

Lewis Hamilton has failed in his bid to have his Belgian Grand Prix victory restored after the FIA judges declared that McLaren's appeal against his penalty was 'inadmissible'.


They avoided having to take sides - or avoided changing the result of a race for the second time after the race had ended - by declaring that the penalty was not allowed to be appealed.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on September 24, 2008, 05:25:44 am
Another key part of McLaren's argument had been that the team had checked with FIA race director Charlie Whiting to see if Hamilton had driven correctly, and been told that the move was 'okay' in Whiting's opinion – with the judges hearing the relevant radio conversation in court yesterday.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: private_hell on September 24, 2008, 09:03:30 am
maybe this thread should be shifted into the politics forum....
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on September 25, 2008, 06:08:43 am
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10533869
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And when senior figures tell you that it is better that the fans are arguing over "controversial rulings by the referees" rather than the majesty of the on-track action, you know that the sport is in dire danger not just of losing its soul, but its very raison d'etre.

Hardly surprising when you consider that there's a Nazi "whipping boy" running the whole thing.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: kilabee on September 25, 2008, 07:05:19 am
I still don't see the problem with what happened.He cut the corner to avoid an accident and then immediately gave up the position only to take him a few corners later.Was he penalized for not having enough patience?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on September 25, 2008, 07:10:50 am
Quote from: kilabee;801601
I still don't see the problem with what happened.He cut the corner to avoid an accident and then immediately gave up the position only to take him a few corners later.Was he penalized for not having enough patience?


Theyre supposed to wait til after the corner after the incident... eg after the corner at the end of the straight.

But i think they really only clarified this after the race (which is why everyone was being so careful at monza in the last race)


However as has been said... the race director told him twice it was ok...
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: kilabee on September 25, 2008, 07:31:42 am
Seems a little harsh.Thought the problem might have been that he passed him on the next bend.Anywho its still making for a great close session.

A1GP however :disappoin
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on September 25, 2008, 08:17:42 pm
Quote from: Baffled;801603
Theyre supposed to wait til after the corner after the incident... eg after the corner at the end of the straight.

But i think they really only clarified this after the race (which is why everyone was being so careful at monza in the last race)


However as has been said... the race director told him twice it was ok...


At the time Hamilton made the move there WAS no "wait til after the next corner" rule. So you can't say "They're supposed to wait til after the corner after the incident" etc - because up until after that race, they were NOT supposed to wait until the next corner at all. They simply added that rule before Monza to ensure that no advantage of momentum etc could be carried from a failed move into the following corner. Hamilton followed the letter of the rules at Spa AS THEY WERE written until they were modified after his incident. Monza was the first race held using this NEW rule.

The clarified rule is a good idea. The way Hamilton had his win taken from him, or that he was even penalised at all, and that the result was changed hours after the race, are all bad. And wrong.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on September 25, 2008, 08:21:24 pm
Quote from: Phil Aysheeo;802042
At the time Hamilton made the move there WAS no "wait til after the next corner" rule. So you can't say "They're supposed to wait til after the corner after the incident" etc - because up until after that race, they were NOT supposed to wait until the next corner at all. They simply added that rule before Monza to ensure that no advantage of momentum etc could be carried from a failed move into the following corner. Hamilton followed the letter of the rules at Spa AS THEY WERE written until they were modified after his incident. Monza was the first race held using this NEW rule.

The clarified rule is a good idea. The way Hamilton had his win taken from him, or that he was even penalised at all, and that the result was changed hours after the race, are all bad. And wrong.
Bugger.

I have to agree.

Damn that was hard.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on September 28, 2008, 08:33:03 am
Massa storms to Singapore GP pole

By Matt Beer    Saturday, September 27th 2008, 15:01 GMT

Felipe Massa in SingaporeFelipe Massa took pole for Formula One's first ever night race by a huge margin after a dominant performance in qualifying at Singapore.

The Ferrari driver already held provisional pole after his first run in Q3, but briefly lost the place to title rival Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) in the closing seconds.

However even as Hamilton crossed the line, Massa was already on course to comfortably beat his lap, setting new benchmarks in all three sectors as he lapped in 1:44.801 to take pole by 0.664 seconds.

Kimi Raikkonen took third in the second Ferrari, and like Hamilton the Finn survived some early scares to reach Q3, having been pushed down into the elimination zone in Q1 being leaping up to first place in the dying seconds. Hamilton only just hung on in Q2 as a scruffy lap left him on the bubble in 10th at the end of the segment.

Robert Kubica claimed fourth for BMW, ahead of Heikki Kovalainen in the second McLaren, with BMW's Nick Heidfeld completing the top six.

Toro Rosso's Sebastian Vettel followed up his Monza win with a competitive seventh place, alongside Toyota's Timo Glock.

Williams showed resurgent form to get both cars into Q3 for the first time all year. Nico Rosberg will start ninth, with teammate Kazuki Nakajima in a career-best 10th.

There was massive disappointment for practice pace-setter Fernando Alonso, who had gone into qualifying as an outside contender for the front row following his rapid times so far this weekend. But the Spaniard will start 15th after his Renault cut out with a fuel feed problem before he could set a time in Q2, leaving Alonso visibly devastated as he climbed out of the stricken car.

His teammate Nelson Piquet will join Alonso on row eight, having failed to progress beyond Q1 despite being fourth-fastest earlier today.

Jenson Button maintained his strong practice form to get a Honda into Q2 for the first time since Hungary, with the Briton taking 12th on the grid, next to Jarno Trulli in the second Toyota, while his teammate Rubens Barrichello only managed 18th.

Neither Red Bull Racing driver reached Q3, as Mark Webber and David Coulthard both failed to gain time on their final Q2 runs and were pushed down from the lower top ten places to 13th and 14th

Force India worked hard to repair Giancarlo Fisichella's car after his heavy crash in final practice, only for the Italian to hit the wall again when he finally made it out in the closing minutes of Q1.

This time Fisichella only damaged his front wing when he slid into the Turn 3 barriers, but it was sufficient to end his session and leave him last on the grid, alongside teammate Adrian Sutil.

There was also more frustration for Sebastien Bourdais, who finds himself 10 places behind his Toro Rosso teammate Vettel in 17th on the grid after encountering dire handling problems in Q1. The Frenchman suspected technical problems having lapped 1.3 seconds slower than Vettel in the first segment.

Pos  Driver       Team                 Q1        Q2        Q3       Laps
 1.  Massa        Ferrari              1:44.519  1:44.014  1:44.801  16
 2.  Hamilton     McLaren-Mercedes     1:44.501  1:44.932  1:45.465  14
 3.  Raikkonen    Ferrari              1:44.282  1:44.232  1:45.617  16
 4.  Kubica       BMW Sauber           1:44.740  1:44.519  1:45.779  18
 5.  Kovalainen   McLaren-Mercedes     1:44.311  1:44.207  1:45.873  19
 6.  Heidfeld     BMW Sauber           1:45.548  1:44.520  1:45.964  19
 7.  Vettel       Toro Rosso-Ferrari   1:45.042  1:44.261  1:46.244  15
 8.  Glock        Toyota               1:45.184  1:44.441  1:46.328  21
 9.  Rosberg      Williams-Toyota      1:45.103  1:44.429  1:46.611  17
10.  Nakajima     Williams-Toyota      1:45.127  1:44.826  1:47.547  20
11.  Trulli       Toyota               1:45.642  1:45.038            12
12.  Button       Honda                1:45.660  1:45.133            14
13.  Webber       Red Bull-Renault     1:45.493  1:45.212            12
14.  Coulthard    Red Bull-Renault     1:46.028  1:45.298            16
15.  Alonso       Renault              1:44.971                       6
16.  Piquet       Renault              1:46.037                       6
17.  Bourdais     Toro Rosso-Ferrari   1:46.389                       6
18.  Barrichello  Honda                1:46.583                       7
19.  Sutil        Force India-Ferrari  1:47.940                      10
20.  Fisichella   Force India-Ferrari  No time                        2
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on September 28, 2008, 12:08:59 pm
Singapore looked stunning. Unfortunately i think i'll be watching the replay, not the live race.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on September 28, 2008, 01:26:57 pm
Quote from: Phil Aysheeo;802042
At the time Hamilton made the move there WAS no "wait til after the next corner" rule. So you can't say "They're supposed to wait til after the corner after the incident" etc - because up until after that race, they were NOT supposed to wait until the next corner at all. They simply added that rule before Monza to ensure that no advantage of momentum etc could be carried from a failed move into the following corner. Hamilton followed the letter of the rules at Spa AS THEY WERE written until they were modified after his incident. Monza was the first race held using this NEW rule.

The clarified rule is a good idea. The way Hamilton had his win taken from him, or that he was even penalised at all, and that the result was changed hours after the race, are all bad. And wrong.

Yeah I agree... I was just answering a question. I didnt know if it was clarified/invented though.

Anyway race tonight will be good... damn im gonna be tired for work tomorrow haha. Wonder how long massa will take to crash? :D
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on September 28, 2008, 02:05:43 pm
Quote from: Baffled;803264
Anyway race tonight will be good... damn im gonna be tired for work tomorrow haha. Wonder how long massa will take to crash? :D

Massa will not crash ... unless its wet!!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on September 28, 2008, 02:10:53 pm
Quote from: Quasikomodo;803286
Massa will not crash ... unless its wet!!


Nah massa is an all rounder... I'm sure he can crash in the dry as well :D
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on September 28, 2008, 05:11:12 pm
Quote from: Quasikomodo;803286
Massa will not crash ... unless its wet!!

I think his car's very light on fuel compared with the Mclaren. Time will tell, but if Hamilton can keep the pressure on him then i suspect he'll have a little "mishap".
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on September 28, 2008, 08:48:44 pm
We must not forget that its going to be a very tricky race, especially as it starts before sundown and there is a 'transition' period until the floodlights take full effect. Should be very entertaining for the spectators.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on September 28, 2008, 11:24:59 pm
Quote from: Quasikomodo;803454
We must not forget that its going to be a very tricky race, especially as it starts before sundown and there is a 'transition' period until the floodlights take full effect.

Remembering all the times i'd been to Singapore i wondered about this - from my calculations the race starts around 8pm local time. ECT in Singapore today is 18:59 (7pm). It will be well dark by the time the race starts.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on September 29, 2008, 03:34:50 am
Well another disappointing race from Kimi, I've almost lost all faith in him. I'm sure he hasn't lost his talent, he just doesn't seem to give a shit about F1 anymore.

I have to thank Massa though, I got several huge laughs from that wannabe during the race. Sure, the pit incident didn't seem to be his fault, but it was funny all the same. The penalty for the unsafe release was a bit or karma kicking them in the arse, and there was no way they were going to get let off with that one - it was RIGHT in the path of Sutil (again) and with a long hose to boot. Hilarious stuff. Poor pit guy though. Then his total lack of anything left was not surprising, and he ended the race with his usual off track antics and even hitting the wall. There's the Massa we can rely on. He's still only won from the front row (all poles except 1) and by getting to the second corner first. That's not a racer, that's a guy doing 1 1/2 hours of qualifying laps. Real racers can pass people, and stop them from passing you.

/Massa is a huge fraud rant

A real shame about Kubica & co - that pit lane closed rule has got to go.

Good to see someone else sharing the victories this year, even if it is spiteful Alonso. I was hoping for Kubica or even Trulli / Rosberg, but oh well. Hell, with Massa out of the picture and Hamilton not doing too well during the race, even Kimi had a chance to almost claw his way back to around 10 point from the championship lead - even 3/4 through the race.

At the end of the day, the race was entertaining.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on September 29, 2008, 01:12:13 pm
Sure its entertaining ...... but is it really the way we want F1 to go?
Ecclestone and company have turned it into a big enough circus already!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on September 29, 2008, 02:31:42 pm
Yep, Bernie & co need to go. They were good, now they're getting senile it seems. Amongst their other stupid ideas, decisions and rulings these days (by them and their appointed representatives etc of course) is one of the biggest points of fail: they want F1 to be (and already is) a global sport right? Makes sense - so WHY oh WHY does Bernie Piddlestone insist upon the small handful of races in OUR timezone (singapore, malaysia, oz etc) becoming night races - in his own words "because it's just uncivilized that people watching in England have to get up at 2am to watch those races". W T F. There is an entire rest of the planet Bernie, and if you want F1 to increase in following globally, you need to think about them too, not just Europe. I don't complain about having to get up for most of the races, but FFS don't actually go out of your way to suit one small corner of the globe only. The night race was good, and I'd like to see say nurburgring at night etc. Don't limit it to just pacific timezones. Dick.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on September 29, 2008, 03:02:15 pm
Quote from: Phil Aysheeo;803713
Yep, Bernie & co need to go. They were good, now they're getting senile it seems. Amongst their other stupid ideas, decisions and rulings these days (by them and their appointed representatives etc of course) is one of the biggest points of fail: they want F1 to be (and already is) a global sport right? Makes sense - so WHY oh WHY does Bernie Piddlestone insist upon the small handful of races in OUR timezone (singapore, malaysia, oz etc) becoming night races - in his own words "because it's just uncivilized that people watching in England have to get up at 2am to watch those races". W T F. There is an entire rest of the planet Bernie, and if you want F1 to increase in following globally, you need to think about them too, not just Europe. I don't complain about having to get up for most of the races, but FFS don't actually go out of your way to suit one small corner of the globe only. The night race was good, and I'd like to see say nurburgring at night etc. Don't limit it to just pacific timezones. Dick.
FFS I hate this..!!!

I agree again - stupid internets.

However - let's play Devils Advocate.

How big is the TV audience in Europe? How big is it in Asia/Pacific (not the potential - how big is it ACTUALLY?)

Where are the major sponsors based?

If the TV audience down here gets to be as large as in Europe and more companies from this region sponsor the teams/F1 then that will help them put the races on at a decent time for us.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on September 29, 2008, 05:21:49 pm
Quote from: Xt1ncT;803730
FFS I hate this..!!!

I agree again - stupid internets.

However - let's play Devils Advocate.

How big is the TV audience in Europe? How big is it in Asia/Pacific (not the potential - how big is it ACTUALLY?)

Where are the major sponsors based?

If the TV audience down here gets to be as large as in Europe and more companies from this region sponsor the teams/F1 then that will help them put the races on at a decent time for us.

Lol - I'm not just talking about Asia / Pacific. Or do you think that Asia / Pacific is "the rest of the world"? I never said that he should arrange things for US down here, I know we are just small-fry, but he needs to think about places and people beyond the smog of Britain. My point was that Europe is not the only place & timezone on the planet, yet Bernie wants to organize F1 SOLELY around that timezone.

Once again:

Europe = 1 part of the world.

Planet = large thing we live on.

People - live all over the planet. Not just in Europe. There are places bigger than Europe, and people with money that like motorsports live there too.

Wanting a global audience = not just gearing it optimally for one timezone.

It's so tiring having to explain the simple things...
Title: It's Tui's time:
Post by: TofuEater on September 30, 2008, 09:52:53 am
"The best car finished last" - yeah right!
Arrogant cunts.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on September 30, 2008, 09:56:49 pm
Interesting article regarding changes to next year's cars to try and allow for more overtaking:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10534984
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Basing their investigation on empirically sourced information from McLaren's highly advanced simulator, the working group figured that at the old Barcelona circuit, with a fast corner leading on to the main straight, the driver in a following car needed an advantage of two seconds a lap in order to have a chance of overtaking into the ensuing first corner.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on October 11, 2008, 09:12:58 pm
Hamilton secures Japanese GP pole

By Matt Beer    Saturday, October 11th 2008, 06:00 GMT

Lewis Hamilton at FujiLewis Hamilton took a crucial pole position for the Japanese Grand Prix, with his title rival Felipe Massa down in fifth place.

In dry and sunny conditions very different to last year's qualifying downpour, Hamilton dug deep to beat a resurgent Kimi Raikkonen (Ferrari) to pole position, with Heikki Kovalainen and Fernando Alonso filling row two ahead of Massa.

Raikkonen had been fastest after the first Q3 runs, with Massa provisionally completing an all-Ferrari front row and Hamilton only third at that stage.

The reigning world champion then improved further on his flying lap, raising the benchmark to a 1:18.644.

But Hamilton responded in style and beat Raikkonen to pole by 0.2 seconds.

With the points leader's McLaren teammate Kovalainen and Singapore winner Alonso (Renault) leaping to the second row on their own last laps, Massa was pushed back to fifth place - potentially disastrous for his title aspirations.

Robert Kubica took sixth on the grid, but the Pole's teammate Nick Heidfeld had another extremely disappointing qualifying session, and will start from 16th - his worst grid position of the season. Neither BMW was especially competitive in Q1, with Kubica only 14th, but Heidfeld was a crucial 0.151 seconds slower and was eliminated.

Toyota filled row four at their home circuit, with Timo Glock only eighth behind his teammate Jarno Trulli despite going fastest of all in Q1.

The Toro Rossos completed the top ten, Sebastian Vettel beating teammate Sebastien Bourdais to ninth by half a second.

David Coulthard out-qualified his Red Bull Racing teammate Mark Webber for only the second time this season as they took 11th and 13th, 0.167 seconds apart and split by Nelson Piquet's Renault.

Sole home driver Kazuki Nakajima couldn't better 14th place in qualifying, but did have the consolation of out-pacing his Williams teammate Nico Rosberg, who was 0.078 seconds slower and one place behind.

The two Hondas and the two Force Indias fill the final two rows. Rubens Barrichello and Jenson Button both looked like they had a chance to make the Q2 cut before others improved and pushed them down the order, and they then failed to improve on their last Q1 laps.

Adrian Sutil was unable to build on his strong practice form and was only 19th, but did out-qualify his Force India teammate Giancarlo Fisichella by a comfortable 0.8 seconds.

Pos  Driver        Team                     Q1         Q2         Q3    
 1.  Hamilton      McLaren-Mercedes    (B)  1:18.071   1:17.462   1:18.404
 2.  Raikkonen     Ferrari             (B)  1:18.160   1:17.733   1:18.644
 3.  Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    (B)  1:18.220   1:17.360   1:18.821
 4.  Alonso        Renault             (B)  1:18.290   1:17.871   1:18.852
 5.  Massa         Ferrari             (B)  1:18.110   1:17.287   1:18.874
 6.  Kubica        BMW Sauber          (B)  1:18.684   1:17.931   1:18.979
 7.  Trulli        Toyota              (B)  1:18.501   1:17.541   1:19.026
 8.  Glock         Toyota              (B)  1:17.945   1:17.670   1:19.118
 9.  Vettel        Toro Rosso-Ferrari  (B)  1:18.559   1:17.714   1:19.638
10.  Bourdais      Toro Rosso-Ferrari  (B)  1:18.593   1:18.102   1:20.167
11.  Coulthard     Red Bull-Renault    (B)  1:18.303   1:18.187
12.  Piquet        Renault             (B)  1:18.300   1:18.274
13.  Webber        Red Bull-Renault    (B)  1:18.372   1:18.354
14.  Nakajima      Williams-Toyota     (B)  1:18.640   1:18.594
15.  Rosberg       Williams-Toyota     (B)  1:18.740   1:18.672
16.  Heidfeld      BMW Sauber          (B)  1:18.835
17.  Barrichello   Honda               (B)  1:18.882
18.  Button        Honda               (B)  1:19.100
19.  Sutil         Force India-Ferrari (B)  1:19.163
20.  Fisichella    Force India-Ferrari (B)  1:19.910
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on October 12, 2008, 07:52:41 pm
Disappointing, very disappointing.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on October 12, 2008, 08:58:47 pm
Shocking drive by Hamilton.

That move at the start where he took out half the field was pure noob.

Maybe he should let his dad drive.

Or maybe not....
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on October 12, 2008, 09:04:32 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;812758
Shocking drive by Hamilton.

That move at the start where he took out half the field was pure noob.

Maybe he should let his dad drive.
He's just too much of a racer. One day he'll be mature enough to realise that you don't have to win the races when you have a lead in the championship and your nearest rival is behind you, but right now he's driving exactly like he did last year - trying to win races when 2nd or 3rd is absolutely fine.

Ron needs to give him a massive serve.

Also, I'm not sure why he got a drive through - is there something in the rules saying you can't force a car wide??
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on October 13, 2008, 12:07:57 am
So you think that forcing cars off the track is perfectly acceptable?

If its done in a fashion where the overtaking driver is clearly past the other car/s and he merely push's him wide its not a problem but to slide down the inside wheels locked pushing out 3-4 cars off the track impeding their way and costing them positions clearly thats grounds for a penalty.

One thing that gets me is the commentators, they are so far up Hamiltons ass they can't see daylight. They seem to be constantly against Ferrari, anytime the McLaren is slower "well obviously the Ferrari's are on a lighter fuel load and a different strategy"  A few race's back Hamilton clearly pushed a couple of guys off the track and cut of others(one being Alonso on the main straight) yet nothing is ever said about it.

Anyone that has been following F1 for years will obviously remember the comments after Massa slowed to let Schuy by for the win, how it was unsportsmanlike and things like that should be punished. The same people now have different views when its with McLaren and Hamilton.

Hamilton is a great driver but he is too immature and inexperienced which once again is showing at the end of the season, he had the championship won last year and threw it away, is he going to do the same again by pulling stupid moves like he did today. I liked the final lap behind Alonso after being lapped he started pushing so hard locking up the front wheel then sliding it through the chicane, luckily Alonso had the smarts to let him past and cruise to the finish. Out of the points clearly down with nothing to gain and he drives like this, he has a long way to go.

I hope Massa has a good finish and takes the season he has really proved himself this year after many people have written him off as a championship winner. Blowing the engine on the final lap and last races incident in the pits might of cost him the championship.  :(

p.s. LOL I loved the comment about Coulthard and clearly it ****** (forgot who was mentioned) had clipped him spinning him around and causing the damage, was nice to see the replay with the suspension failing with no contact. David can never put a foot wrong lol, but thats what happens when your managing him and commentating, ive learnt to switch off to most of whats said now.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on October 13, 2008, 03:13:56 am
Yea, the commentators are total rubbish, more James Allen or what ever his name is, he goes absolutely fucking skits when ever Hamilton appears on the screen.

Strange race, entertaining I guess, looked like everyones front lefts got a bloody hammering though!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on October 13, 2008, 09:07:17 am
Quote from: pyro;812852
I liked the final lap behind Alonso after being lapped he started pushing so hard locking up the front wheel then sliding it through the chicane, luckily Alonso had the smarts to let him past and cruise to the finish. Out of the points clearly down with nothing to gain and he drives like this, he has a long way to go.

They explained this. By getting back onto the lead lap, Hamilton ensured that he would pick up any points if someone happened to not finish in front of him. It was a good move, though it didn't end up bearing any fruit.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Temp on October 13, 2008, 09:34:23 am
I'd say they justified it more than explained it. I doubt that was his reason at the time.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on October 13, 2008, 12:21:59 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;812939
They explained this. By getting back onto the lead lap, Hamilton ensured that he would pick up any points if someone happened to not finish in front of him. It was a good move, though it didn't end up bearing any fruit.

He was in 12th place, points only go back to 8th correct? What are the chance's of 4 people dropping on the last lap. Im sorry but driving like that is completely unnecessary, had it of been Massa or Raikkonen Locking up wheels sliding it around like that in his place I could almost guarantee the commentators comments would of been completely different. Yes I heard what they said but again it comes back to them thinking the sun shines out of Hamiltons ass.

Only reason he would of pushed so hard imo is the fact his former team mate in a lesser car had just lapped him and was about to win the race, hurt pride i'd say.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on October 16, 2008, 11:36:01 pm
well 11th place is better than 12th.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on October 17, 2008, 12:35:57 am
Risking taking out the leader and yourself on the last lap and being branded a complete tool for 11th spot still with no points is worth it?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on October 18, 2008, 10:26:00 pm
17 - 19 Oct 2008
2008 FORMULA 1 SINOPEC CHINESE GRAND PRIX
Pos    No    Driver    Team    Q1   Q2   Q3    Laps
1    22    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    1:35.566   1:34.947   1:36.303    15
2    1    Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    1:35.983   1:35.355   1:36.645    15
3    2    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    1:35.971   1:35.135   1:36.889    16
4    5    Fernando Alonso    Renault    1:35.769   1:35.461   1:36.927    18
5    23    Heikki Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    1:35.623   1:35.216   1:36.930    16
6    10    Mark Webber    Red Bull-Renault    1:36.238   1:35.686   1:37.083    19
7    3    Nick Heidfeld    BMW Sauber    1:36.224   1:35.403   1:37.201    17
8    15    Sebastian Vettel    STR-Ferrari    1:35.752   1:35.386   1:37.685    16
9    11    Jarno Trulli    Toyota    1:36.104   1:35.715   1:37.934    19
10    14    Sebastien Bourdais    STR-Ferrari    1:36.239   1:35.478   1:38.885    18
11    6    Nelsinho Piquet    Renault    1:36.029   1:35.722      12
12    4    Robert Kubica    BMW Sauber    1:36.503   1:35.814      14
13    12    Timo Glock    Toyota    1:36.210   1:35.937      16
14    17    Rubens Barrichello    Honda    1:36.640   1:36.079      15
15    7    Nico Rosberg    Williams-Toyota    1:36.434   1:36.210      15
16    9    David Coulthard    Red Bull-Renault    1:36.731         7
17    8    Kazuki Nakajima    Williams-Toyota    1:36.863         9
18    16    Jenson Button    Honda    1:37.053         9
19    20    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Ferrari    1:37.730         9
20    21    Giancarlo Fisichella    Force India-Ferrari    1:37.739         9
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on October 20, 2008, 09:50:16 am
Moseley has put out a tender for engines and drivetrains for 2010. I'd be surprised and disappointed if it goes ahead. It would certainly make F1 totally unattractive for a lot of the manufacturers (Renault, BMW, Ferarri) if they aren't able to showcase their engineering talents.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: private_hell on October 20, 2008, 10:39:02 am
sounds like hes trying to make it like the A1
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Temp on October 20, 2008, 11:48:42 am
Quote from: TofuEater;817241
Moseley has put out a tender for engines and drivetrains for 2010. I'd be surprised and disappointed if it goes ahead. It would certainly make F1 totally unattractive for a lot of the manufacturers (Renault, BMW, Ferarri) if they aren't able to showcase their engineering talents.


It definitely would remove the very essence of what makes Formula One so great. I can't really believe they are even entertaining the thought, and I hope that it is culled before it gathers any momentum.

From my perspective it's removing the very reason that the teams enter.

Does anyone see it any differently? Any other side of the coin viewpoints? I'd love to hear them.

Grats lewis yesterday, he looks likes he's taken onboard the criticism received in recent times and put in a solid no nonsense drive. The no team orders rule really is bullsh*t, and watching the Ferrarri guys squirm and trying to keep a straight face when being pressed on the pass was uncomfortable for me. I mean telling the teams they can't give orders, but it's ok for the driver to work it out for himself is pedantic. I mean c'mon everyon on the planet knows what should be happening, it is a team after all, so ditch that rule and don't be so stupid.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on October 23, 2008, 02:16:49 pm
Agreed about the team orders thing. Shumacher and Barrichello were penalised for doing the exact same thing - swapping positions so that the other could get more points for the championship - and were penalised for it. Where they went wrong, the reason they were penalised etc, and the difference between then and the GP just gone, is that they did it in front of the chequered flag, wheras Kimi and Mr Craptastic did it not long after the last round of pit-stops with many laps to go.

It's going to happen, it makes sense to happen: just don't pull the fingers to the fans while you do it by tweaking the race results meters before the flag. It's like someone sleeping with your sister - it's going to happen, you're OK with it as long as the guy doesn't jump up in down in front of your face screaming "I fucked your sister!".

Besides, the stewards have the job of making the race results bullshit well under contol this year.
Title: Ferarri threatens to quit F1
Post by: TofuEater on October 28, 2008, 10:36:56 am
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10539671

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Formula One's governing body is moving forward with its plan to have a sole engine and transmission supplier beginning in 2010, saying some parties have shown interest in the bidding process.

FIA said in a statement that it "received a number of questions from interested parties regarding" the invitation to tender it made on Oct. 17.

The governing body intends to introduce rule amendments "requiring all competitors must use a standardised engine and transmission system" for the 2010, 2011 and 2012 seasons.

Ferrari is not pleased with the decision, saying it could pull out of F1 if the changes go through....

Gotta say it would turn me off. I know they're trying to reign in costs and it may just be a bit of grandstanding by the FIA to get some concessions out of the big teams, but i can't see how they can possibly think this will be good for their showcase championship.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on October 28, 2008, 11:13:12 am
Oh FSS. Those old twats Bernie and Max should be shot. They have past their use-by date LONG ago. They've completely lost touch with F1 and it's spirit, and are trying to micro-manage everything instead of just running a racing league like they used to.

F1 is one of the only racing series I can think of where the teams must actually research, develop and build their own cars. All of this standardisation is a load of shit - and Bernie & Max are only thinking like accounts now, rather than F1 fans or bosses. They are trying to make "a" racing series cost effective, rather than working out ways to make FORMULA 1 more economically viable. They are sterilising it into just another "everyone buys and runs pretty much the same shit" series. Sure, reel in the spending, but not at the cost of the very essence of the sport.

I enjoy following the technical challenges and breakthroughs as much as the racing, seeing teams come up and go down the grid due to upgrades and such, and knowing that a team that is shit at the start of a season (Renault) can really work hard and develop stuff to bring them back up. I like seeing the poorer teams beat the leaders in bizarre races, and reading about how team X has developed part X to try and get in front etc. You don't get that often in indy cars, A1, V8's etc etc etc. F1 is FAST heading towards being just another one of those.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on November 02, 2008, 08:46:16 am
Massa grabs Brazil pole, Hamilton fourth

By Matt Beer    Saturday, November 1st 2008, 17:00 GMT

Felipe Massa in BrazilFelipe Massa took a crucial pole position for the Brazilian Grand Prix, as championship leader Lewis Hamilton had to settle for fourth position behind Jarno Trulli and Kimi Raikkonen.

Hamilton improved his time after a poor first Q3 run, but could not get any higher than the second row, as his championship opponent Massa dominated the crucial part of qualifying.

Prior to Q3, the title contenders had been extremely closely matched.

Massa had led a Ferrari one-two in Q1, but the results were slightly deceptive as the Italian team went out for a second run whereas Hamilton went top on his first flying lap and then sat out the rest of the segment. He had been three tenths of a second quicker than Massa at that stage, before the Brazilian gained 0.7 seconds on his second shot.

Both limited themselves to a single run in Q2, where Hamilton beat Massa by a scant 0.019 seconds as rapid laps from Heikki Kovalainen and the surprising Sebastian Vettel pushed them back to third and fourth.

But Massa then pulled clear at the start of Q3, with a first flying lap half a second faster than the rest of the field, while Hamilton made several errors and languished in sixth place - 0.799 seconds behind his title rival.

Hamilton produced a tidier lap at the second attempt, but remained half a second slower than Massa, who found a small improvement to set a pole time of 1:12.368.

Toyota driver Trulli then grabbed a shock front row position, ahead of Massa's Ferrari teammate Raikkonen.

Hamilton's teammate Heikki Kovalainen will support his title bid from fifth place, alongside Renault's Fernando Alonso.

Vettel took seventh for Toro Rosso in Q3, with his teammate Sebastien Bourdais ninth behind BMW's Nick Heidfeld.

Timo Glock completed the top ten in the second Toyota.

For the second race in a row, erstwhile title contender Robert Kubica struggled for qualifying pace, this time slumping right back to 13th place for BMW, having been 0.3 seconds slower than teammate Heidfeld in Q2.

Yet again, Nelson Piquet missed out on a Q3 position by a small margin as he lapped just 0.03 seconds shy of a top ten spot and took 11th on the grid.

David Coulthard will start his final Grand Prix from 14th place, two positions and 0.4 seconds adrift of his Red Bull teammate Mark Webber. Fellow veteran Rubens Barrichello, who may yet lose his Honda seat before 2008, out-performed his teammate Jenson Button again and made it to Q2, taking 15th place.

Despite looking quick in Friday practice, Williams had a disastrous final qualifying session of the year, with Kazuki Nakajima only 16th and Nico Rosberg 18th, split by Button, and ahead of the two Force Indias.

Pos  Driver        Team                 Q1        Q2        Q3       Laps
 1.  Massa         Ferrari              1:11.830  1:11.875  1:12.368  17
 2.  Trulli        Toyota               1:12.226  1:12.107  1:12.737  15
 3.  Raikkonen     Ferrari              1:12.083  1:11.950  1:12.825  19
 4.  Hamilton      McLaren-Mercedes     1:12.213  1:11.856  1:12.830  14
 5.  Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes     1:12.366  1:11.768  1:12.917  17
 6.  Alonso        Renault              1:12.214  1:12.090  1:12.967  18
 7.  Vettel        Toro Rosso-Ferrari   1:12.390  1:11.845  1:13.082  20
 8.  Heidfeld      BMW Sauber           1:12.371  1:12.026  1:13.297  18
 9.  Bourdais      Toro Rosso-Ferrari   1:12.498  1:12.075  1:14.105  16
10.  Glock         Toyota               1:12.223  1:11.909  1:14.230  24
11.  Piquet        Renault              1:12.348  1:12.137            13
12.  Webber        Red Bull-Renault     1:12.409  1:12.289            13
13.  Kubica        BMW Sauber           1:12.381  1:12.300            13
14.  Coulthard     Red Bull-Renault     1:12.690  1:12.717            16
15.  Barrichello   Honda                1:12.548  1:13.139            14
16.  Nakajima      Williams-Toyota      1:12.800                       9
17.  Button        Honda                1:12.810                       9
18.  Rosberg       Williams-Toyota      1:13.002                       8
19.  Fisichella    Force India-Ferrari  1:13.426                       9
20.  Sutil         Force India-Ferrari  1:13.508                       9
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on November 02, 2008, 10:04:46 pm
Watch out for Toyota - their star is on the rise. If they can hook a decent driver (Vettel maybe) they could just shake up the old order.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on November 02, 2008, 10:07:06 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;825843
Watch out for Toyota - their star is on the rise. If they can hook a decent driver (Vettel maybe) they could just shake up the old order.



They must have spent a bucket of cash so far.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Amphion on November 03, 2008, 03:26:50 am
Come on Alonso!

I hope Ferrari wins it, I dont like Hamilton even though I like McLaren, he's too much of a pansy, Alonso and Massa! Do It Massa!

Let's not forget Webber! Go boy go!

Race starts in 2 hours 4 minutes live!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Temp on November 03, 2008, 09:05:27 am
Jeeze that was close, Glock is about to become villainised by every Brazillian on the planet. I'd love to see a replay of his last lap, to lose 18s seems a bit much in those conditions, even with the dry tyres in the conditions as they were. Lewis is just the luckiest guy and I felt for Ferrarri and Massa as they thought they had it and did until the bottom of the hill.

What a race, and what a finish to the season.

Massa I thought was outstanding in defeat, very humble and noble and gracious. He would have made a great champ.

Lewis had a good run this season, and scraped in by one point I think. Looking forward to seeing what happens with the musical chairs and the start of 2009.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on November 03, 2008, 09:25:42 am
Quote from: Templar;826015
Jeeze that was close, Glock is about to become villainised by every Brazillian on the planet. I'd love to see a replay of his last lap, to lose 18s seems a bit much in those conditions, even with the dry tyres in the conditions as they were. Lewis is just the luckiest guy and I felt for Ferrarri and Massa as they thought they had it and did until the bottom of the hill.

What a race, and what a finish to the season.

Massa I thought was outstanding in defeat, very humble and noble and gracious. He would have made a great champ.

Lewis had a good run this season, and scraped in by one point I think. Looking forward to seeing what happens with the musical chairs and the start of 2009.
Totally agree - and at last Lewis has learnt to not do anything stupid like he did last year and in some races this year.

Was also very surprised GLock was so slow on that last lap, but hey I'll take it..!!!

GO LEWIS.

Next year will be interesting with no stupid aero devices and slicks..!!! I just hope the whole one engine supplier thing doesn't happen in a couple of years.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on November 03, 2008, 12:46:24 pm
I was so pleased for Hamilton - it shouldn't have even been being decided in this race. I was stunned as i saw him go past Glock, who looked to have slowed to a crawl. Ah well, the look on Massa's Dad's face made up for all the disappointments of this season. :rnr:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on November 03, 2008, 03:25:57 pm
Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton and MacLaren. Well done.

Another very interesting F1 season is done and dusted and Ferrari are the constructors champs ... again!! Well done to Massa, he has cemented his place in the Ferrari team now, now he just has to learn how to drive in the wet!!

Can't wait for next season.
still hate Ecclestone, Dennis and "Adolf" Mosley though .... can we not just get rid of them before they ruin F1 or does the FIA not control F1 anymore?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on November 03, 2008, 04:47:07 pm
Quote from: Quasikomodo;826214
Well done to Massa, he has cemented his place in the Ferrari team now, now he just has to learn how to drive in the wet!!


He's just won the Brazilian GP in the rain, so he probably needs some advice from you. Try emailing him with some hints.

Good drive from Hamilton and a well deserved championship. Time to cut Massa some slack also, this could be one of the great rivalries in the making. [Senna vs Prost etc]

I thought they all earned their money out there today. Watching how fast the back steps out on those cars in the wet was thought provoking to say the least.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: kilabee on November 03, 2008, 05:06:46 pm
HUGE credit to Massa for the way he handled victory/defeat.He would have made a great champion with his attitude.Hopefully ,as was said above, he will become champion and start another great F1 rivalry.
Congrats to Lewis for a great series and a more mature,disciplined approach on most occasions this session.  
Also bad luck for Coulthard in his last race.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on November 03, 2008, 06:08:54 pm
Fuck yeah! 2 years in the making and with 2 laps to go I thought he had lost it all over again. I do want to see glocks lap though, but as someone said... I will take it anyway :D


As for rivalries there are still other great drivers there, it would be great to see vettel, kubica and alonso get cars to match.


Only 142 days til the 2009 season begins!


Who is going to melbourne?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on November 03, 2008, 11:55:17 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;826280
He's just won the Brazilian GP in the rain, so he probably needs some advice from you. Try emailing him with some hints.



I can still remember the abysmal effort he put in at the British GP where he spent most of the GP backwards or on the grass ... pity you couldn't! If he had have driven a little better there he would (probably) be champion.

You a bit tetchy because Lewis won the championship then are you?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on November 04, 2008, 12:37:08 am
Quote from: Quasikomodo;826617
I can still remember the abysmal effort he put in at the British GP where he spent most of the GP backwards or on the grass ... pity you couldn't! If he had have driven a little better there he would (probably) be champion.

You a bit tetchy because Lewis won the championship then are you?


The Ferrari was a pig in the wet up until the changes they made a couple of races back, this race showed exactly this with Massa winning in the rain convincingly.

Shall I point out the mistakes hamilton made this year as well? You could also say if Massa's engine didnt go on the last lap whilst leading, didnt have that stupid light system stuff up in the pits, didnt have a puncture etc etc. Hamiltons car was far more reliable this year, Massa deserved to win the championship.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: kilabee on November 04, 2008, 06:55:26 am
Quote from: pyro;826632
. Hamiltons car was far more reliable this year, Massa deserved to win the championship.


No he didn't.He lost by one point.


Lets face it,they both had there moments this session and thats what made it one of the more interesting in recent history.It was just what the sport needed after spygate and some of the processions of recent history.At least it injected some life back into it..........and what a race.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on November 04, 2008, 08:47:08 am
Quote from: kilabee;826659
No he didn't.He lost by one point.


Lets face it,they both had there moments this session and thats what made it one of the more interesting in recent history.It was just what the sport needed after spygate and some of the processions of recent history.At least it injected some life back into it..........and what a race.


Your missing my point, if Massa'a car had the reliability of the McLaren, he would of won the championship easily.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Amphion on November 04, 2008, 11:00:34 am
The championship will be great next year, I hope they bring in the new restrictions for tighter racing. And can I just say.... THAT WAS THE BEST FINISH TO ANY RACE WE WILL SEE IN OUR LIFETIME!

Except for Bathurst '07, that rocked.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on November 04, 2008, 12:09:55 pm
Quote from: pyro;826632

Shall I point out the mistakes hamilton made this year as well? You could also say if Massa's engine didnt go on the last lap whilst leading, didnt have that stupid light system stuff up in the pits, didnt have a puncture etc etc. Hamiltons car was far more reliable this year, Massa deserved to win the championship.


Hey I'm a Ferrari ... and Massa fan and wanted him to win, but he didn't!! Perhaps we should be as dignified as Massa in defeat and stop making excuses!?

Hamilton IS champion ... and deserved it, just as much as Massa would have deserved it if he had have won the championship!

Hey, its been a few years since Maclaren won one, gotta give them one once in a while!!:chuckle:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Amphion on November 04, 2008, 01:27:10 pm
Quote from: Quasikomodo;826785
Hey I'm a Ferrari ... and Massa fan and wanted him to win, but he didn't!! Perhaps we should be as dignified as Massa in defeat and stop making excuses!?

Hamilton IS champion ... and deserved it, just as much as Massa would have deserved it if he had have won the championship!

Hey, its been a few years since Maclaren won one, gotta give them one once in a while!!:chuckle:


But he's British, it's just not right for me to admit defeat to a pom.... xD, oh well, we trashed them in the footy, what as it, 50 to 4?... Speaking of which I think we smashed New Zealand too... :D... Okay, mesa happy now.

Hamilton won, yeah, but there are factors that came into play, like Glock being "asked" to slow down. He didnt need to.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Temp on November 04, 2008, 01:41:39 pm
Quote from: Amphion;826833
...like Glock being "asked" to slow down. He didnt need to.


Proof please..
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on November 04, 2008, 02:20:37 pm
Quote from: Amphion;826833
like Glock being "asked" to slow down. He didnt need to.
Yes please, proof would be nice.

Plus - have you ever driven one of those with slicks on in the rain?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on November 04, 2008, 03:23:06 pm
Quote from: Quasikomodo;826785
Hey I'm a Ferrari ... and Massa fan and wanted him to win, but he didn't!! Perhaps we should be as dignified as Massa in defeat and stop making excuses!?

Hamilton IS champion ... and deserved it, just as much as Massa would have deserved it if he had have won the championship!

Hey, its been a few years since Maclaren won one, gotta give them one once in a while!!:chuckle:


Im not trying to make excuses, I just thought I'd point out a few things since you made the comment on about learning to drive in the wet, even after his excellent performance in the final race.


Quote from: Amphion;826833

Hamilton won, yeah, but there are factors that came into play, like Glock being "asked" to slow down. He didnt need to.


If you check the lap times of both Glock and his team mate, the only 2 on dry tyres Glock was quicker on the final lap. Going back a few races you seen exactly the same situation were guys stayed out on dry tyres and the guys that came in for wets/intermediates took 20 secs a lap of them. Watching the in-car cam you can clearly see in the final 2 laps it started to rain more, obviously making it difficult to keep it on the track on the dry tyres.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on November 04, 2008, 05:08:48 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;826280
He's just won the Brazilian GP in the rain


Rofl. If that was a "rain" race, I'm peter pan. They started on a damp track, that dried quickly, and had a small shower a handful of laps from the end. Puuuh-leease. A rain race is like Silverstone was. In fact, the only time during the Brazilian race that it actually rained, was about the time Massa crossed the line to END the race. The fact that it is such a big deal that Massa didn't smash into the wall during the handful of laps that the track had water on it, really says it all.

Massa has STILL only won from the front row of the grid. Why? Because he can't RACE others. Sure, he's fast on a track by himself, but when he has to pass someone...well, I'm sure even Massa fans know how that ends.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Temp on November 04, 2008, 06:37:04 pm
He won more races than anyone else this year, and you can't do that by accident.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: hpsd on November 04, 2008, 08:14:44 pm
Quote from: Phil Aysheeo;826981


Massa has STILL only won from the front row of the grid. Why? Because he can't RACE others. Sure, he's fast on a track by himself, but when he has to pass someone...well, I'm sure even Massa fans know how that ends.


100% agree. Hamilton was excellent coming through the field in Malaysia, was great in Bahrain trying to pass Alonso, did a smashing job coming through the field in France, excellent coming through the field in Japan and was by far the best driver in Brazil, especially in the rain. He also did a great job of passing Raikkonen in Belgium. Also Massa was just awful in the dieing stages of the race at Canada, I can't remember him passing a single car.

Sheesh, give me a break, you've no idea what you're talking about.

Plus your point about Massa having only won from the front row of the grid is correct, but neither has Hamilton, except for some flukish races in Monaco and Silverstone in which rain greatly affected the outcome, and where he needn't pass anyone on track anyway :)
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Flash on November 04, 2008, 08:58:46 pm
Quote from: Phil Aysheeo;826981
Rofl. If that was a "rain" race, I'm peter pan. They started on a damp track, that dried quickly, and had a small shower a handful of laps from the end. Puuuh-leease. A rain race is like Silverstone was. In fact, the only time during the Brazilian race that it actually rained, was about the time Massa crossed the line to END the race. The fact that it is such a big deal that Massa didn't smash into the wall during the handful of laps that the track had water on it, really says it all.

Massa has STILL only won from the front row of the grid. Why? Because he can't RACE others. Sure, he's fast on a track by himself, but when he has to pass someone...well, I'm sure even Massa fans know how that ends.


Don't laugh at Zarkov.

It makes him flatten his ears back.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on November 05, 2008, 01:19:06 am
Only just got to watch the race now.

Was a fairly exciting race tbh, some of the usually slower drivers put in a good effort throughout different parts of the race, like Trulli and Fisi. Hamilton did a real good job, but was is it just more or did he almost lose control at least a hundred times? Just before Glock it looked like he was about to put his car into the wall, and that certainly wasn't an isolated case. Although I guess everyone possibly would have been the same, but seeming that ITV are so in love with Hamilton, they hardly showed any coverage of the other drivers.

Did you hear the commentators cream their pants when they realised Hamilton had won the championship?
Was also quite a sad site to see how happy the whole Ferrari crew were, just to be told that Hamilton had won the championship.

Hamilton definitely deserved the title, but in my opinion there have been many others previous to him who were better fitted to the title.

Now we just have to sit out and wait until Melbourne next year! Does anyone know if it is going to be a night race? They were talking about it a while ago, that the only way Melbourne could keep the GP was to hold it at night, but I wasn't sure if that was from next year onwards or maybe 2010 onwards.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on November 05, 2008, 01:23:15 am
Quote from: Templar;827023
He won more races than anyone else this year, and you can't do that by accident.


Sure you can. Massa proved it this year. Sure, he's fast, but he's not a racer. If you can qualify on the front row, and your rivals have problems (some created by themselves, some created by Max & Bernies obsession with tampering with the results) then you can scamper off from the start and not actually have to race anyone. Which is exactly what he did each and every time.

He's a great qualifying driver - and he races each lap in the race as a qualifying lap. The problem is, if he doesn't qualify well and has other actual cars around him, he's stuffed. He can't pass them, and often they can pass him. Or he gets flustered and stacks the car. And then there are his Brazilian emotions that usually get the better of him, although he has calmed those a little lately.

He's a fast quali/test driver that got extremely lucky this year - Kimi sucked, Lewis made a few silly errors, Kubica's team started developing next years car early, Alonso's car sucked most of the year, and the FIA made some stupid calls against his rivals, and declined to make calls against him that should have been made.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Amphion on November 05, 2008, 07:02:52 am
Quote from: Templar;826843
Proof please..


Exactly what Pyro said, he was asked to slow down by the crew so he could control the car, admittedly he wasnt meant to let Massa through, so it wasnt his fault. But he did.

Eh, the commentary team I listened too on Channel 10 said that he had. :S.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on November 05, 2008, 07:05:10 am
Quote from: Phil Aysheeo;827270
Sure you can. Massa proved it this year. Sure, he's fast, but he's not a racer. If you can qualify on the front row, and your rivals have problems (some created by themselves, some created by Max & Bernies obsession with tampering with the results) then you can scamper off from the start and not actually have to race anyone. Which is exactly what he did each and every time.

It's an excellent observation and a considered analysis. If you look at his results this year, it seems to bear out:

Pole-Finish
AUS: 4-ret
MSA: 1-ret
BAH: 2-1 (overtook Kubrica)
SPN: 3-2
TUR: 1-1
MON: 1-3
CAN: 6-5
FRA: 2-1 (overtook Raikonnen)
GBR: 9-13
GER: 2-3
HUN: 3-ret (17th)
EUR: 1-1
BEL: 2-1 (Hamilton was awarded a 25 sec penalty)
ITA: 6-6
SIN: 1-13 (drive through penalty)
JAP: 5-7
CHI: 3-2 (overtook Raikonnen)
BRA: 1-1

Apart from Bahrain (when he got by a developing and unconfident BMW), the only times he won when not on poll was when he was allowed through by Raikonnen or the stewards.

For comparison, here is Hamilton's results:
Pole-Finish
AUS: 1-1
MSA: 4-5
BAH: 3-13 (crashed into Alonso)
SPN: 5-3
TUR: 3-2 (passed Kovlainen)
MON: 3-1 (passed Massa and Raikkonen)
CAN: 1-ret (pitlane crash)
FRA: 13-10 (actually qualified 3rd, but was penalised 10 places from previous crash)
GBR: 4-1 (passed Kovalainen, Webber, Raikkonen)
GER: 1-1
HUN: 1-5
EUR: 2-2 (behind Massa)
BEL: 1-3 (finished 1, assessed a 25 sec penalty)
ITA: 15-7
SIN: 2-3
JAP: 1-12 (involved in incidents with Raikkonen and Massa)
CHI: 1-1
BRA: 4-5
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Amphion on November 05, 2008, 07:06:10 am
I'm not making this up... I'm only saying what I heard....
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on November 05, 2008, 07:28:20 am
Glock's denied it.  (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10541041) Are you calling him a liar?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on November 05, 2008, 08:28:29 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;827294
It's an excellent observation and a considered analysis. If you look at his results this year, it seems to bear out:

Pole-Finish
AUS: 4-ret
MSA: 1-ret
BAH: 2-1 (overtook Kubrica)
SPN: 3-2
TUR: 1-1
MON: 1-3
CAN: 6-5
FRA: 2-1 (overtook Raikonnen)
GBR: 9-13
GER: 2-3
HUN: 3-ret (17th)
EUR: 1-1
BEL: 2-1 (Hamilton was awarded a 25 sec penalty)
ITA: 6-6
SIN: 1-13 (drive through penalty)
JAP: 5-7
CHI: 3-2 (overtook Raikonnen)
BRA: 1-1

Apart from Bahrain (when he got by a developing and unconfident BMW), the only times he won when not on poll was when he was allowed through by Raikonnen or the stewards.


You forgot to add that when he "overtook" Raikkonen in China, he was actually let past to gain max championship points, and when he got past Kimi in France, it was because pieces were literally falling off Kimi's car and engine - but in both cases, Kimi was a long way up the road before something happened to allow Massa through.


Hamilton has a different problem, but more potential. He is fast, and can certainly race, but makes poor judgement calls and often pushes too hard at the wrong times. Then of course there are the bizarre call coming from the stewards...
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on November 05, 2008, 08:29:59 pm
Quote from: Amphion;827293
Eh, the commentary team I listened too on Channel 10 said that he had. :S.


Ahh, so the COMMENTARY TEAM knows more than Toyota and Glock? Well, that's all the proof I need.

/sarcasm
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on November 08, 2008, 05:07:16 pm
How the 2008 drivers' championship unfolded - a bite-sized guide

Four men quickly emerged as title contenders in 2008, one of them quite unexpectedly. All of them started from pole, all stood on the top step of the podium and all of them led the standings, but only one could be champion. So close was the competition that halfway through the season just two points covered Lewis Hamilton, Felipe Massa, Kimi Raikkonen and Robert Kubica, with three of the four level at the top of the table. We look back on the evolution of a gripping contest…

Round one - Australia
First blood to McLaren and Hamilton. As they win, Ferrari suffer a disastrous start to the season, with Raikkonen and Massa mustering just one point between them. Kubica starts from the front row, but retires after being hit from behind by Nakajima.
Standings: Hamilton 10, Raikkonen 1, Massa 0, Kubica 0

Round two - Malaysia
A back-on-form Ferrari dominate qualifying and look set for a one-two until Massa puts it into the gravel, leaving Raikkonen to take the win from Kubica. McLaren are hamstrung by grid penalties and Hamilton trails home fifth.
Standings: Hamilton 14, Raikkonen 11, Kubica 8, Massa 0

Round three - Bahrain
Kubica springs a surprise with a maiden pole, but it’s Massa who’s quickest off the line, the Brazilian going on to a much-needed first win of the season. Raikkonen beats Kubica to second to seize the championship lead, as Hamilton again fails to score following a fluffed start and a collision with Alonso.
Standings: Raikkonen 19, Hamilton 14, Kubica 14, Massa 10

Round four - Spain
Raikkonen wins from pole to almost double his lead over Hamilton. Massa follows him home for another Ferrari one-two, with Hamilton third and Kubica fourth.
Standings: Raikkonen 29, Hamilton 20, Kubica 19, Massa 18

Round five - Turkey
Massa takes a third successive Istanbul win to move into joint second in the table with Hamilton, who pips Raikkonen to P2 at the flag, with Kubica a distant fourth.
Standings: Raikkonen 35, Massa 28, Hamilton 28, Kubica 22

Round six - Monaco
Hamilton regains the championship lead for the first time since Malaysia with a confident performance on Monte Carlo’s slippery streets. Kubica is second and Massa third, but Raikkonen fails to score after running into the rear of Sutil.
Standings: Hamilton 38, Raikkonen 35, Massa 34, Kubica 32

Round seven - Canada
Montreal sees Kubica’s finest hour as he leads a BMW Sauber one-two for his and the team’s first victory. With it comes the championship lead, as Hamilton eliminates himself and Raikkonen in an unlikely pit-lane collision, and Massa can only manage fifth following a refuelling problem.
Standings: Kubica 42, Hamilton 38, Massa 38, Raikkonen 35

Round eight - Franc
e
Massa takes his first - and only - turn at the top of the table after exhaust problems for Raikkonen hand him victory. The Finn makes it home in second, with Kubica fifth. No points for Hamilton, who starts with a grid penalty for his Canada mishap and is then penalised again for an illegal pass on Vettel.
Standings: Massa 48, Kubica 46, Raikkonen 43, Hamilton 38

Round nine - Britain
The season reaches the halfway mark and things could not be closer. An imperious wet-weather win for Hamilton, combined with lacklustre performances from his rivals, produces a three-way tie at the top of the standings, with Kubica just two points adrift in fourth.
Standings: Hamilton 48, Massa 48, Raikkonen 48, Kubica 46

Round 10 - Germany

Another storming drive from Hamilton brings a fourth season victory and a championship lead that he will ultimately never relinquish. Massa is the only other contender to score heavily, with third place. Raikkonen and Kubica finish sixth and seventh respectively.
Standings: Hamilton 58, Massa 54, Raikkonen 51, Kubica 48

Round 11 - Hungary
An engine failure robs Massa of likely victory and a puncture helps relegate Hamilton to fifth, leaving Heikki Kovalainen free to score his maiden F1 victory, with third-placed Raikkonen joining him on the podium. Kubica takes a single point for eighth.
Standings: Hamilton 62, Raikkonen 57, Massa 54, Kubica 49

Round 12 - Europe
Raikkonen begins a sequence of four non-scoring races as his engine fails. Unfortunately for him, all three of his rivals make the podium, with Massa victorious from Hamilton and Kubica.
Standings: Hamilton 70, Massa 64, Raikkonen 57, Kubica 55

Round 13 - Belgium
Massa closes to within two points of the championship leader after a controversial ending at Spa. Hamilton is demoted from first to third for cutting a chicane whilst battling for the lead with Raikkonen, who subsequently crashes out. Massa inherits the win and Kubica takes sixth place to keep his fading title hopes alive.
Standings: Hamilton 76, Massa 74, Kubica 58, Raikkonen 57

Round 14 - Italy
Kubica is the biggest beneficiary as Vettel stuns the top guns with a maiden win for Red Bull. The Pole finishes third behind Kovalainen, while Massa’s sixth place puts him just one point shy of Hamilton, who takes seventh. Raikkonen is again out of the points in ninth.
Standings: Hamilton 78, Massa 77, Kubica 64, Raikkonen 57

Round 15 - Singapore
With third place, Hamilton is the only title contender to score in Formula One’s inaugural night race, which sees a surprise win for Renault’s Fernando Alonso. Kubica finishes 11th after a drive-through penalty for pitting under the safety car, Massa’s race is ruined after he leaves his pit with the fuel hose still attached, and Raikkonen crashes out of his own accord.
Standings: Hamilton 84, Massa 77, Kubica 64, Raikkonen 57

Round 16 - Japan
A second successive win for Alonso further tightens the championship race. Hamilton and Massa are both hit with early penalties for driving offences, helping Kubica to haul himself back into contention with a second place. Raikkonen finally rediscovers the scoring habit, but it’s too little too late and the reigning champion drops out of the title race.
Standings: Hamilton 84, Massa 79, Kubica 72, Raikkonen 63

Round 17 - China
Hamilton banishes the memory of Shanghai ’07 with a dominant victory that puts him on the brink of championship glory. Second for Massa ensures it will go down to the wire, but Kubica’s title aspirations end with a disappointing sixth place.
Standings: Hamilton 94, Massa 87, Kubica 75

Round 18 - Brazil
The season climaxes in truly dramatic fashion, with Hamilton seizing the fifth place he needs at the very last corner, as a rampant Massa cruises to the win. For a moment, Ferrari think their man has done enough, before the timing screens confirm the McLaren driver has made it by a single point, becoming Formula One’s youngest ever champion.
Final standings: Hamilton 98, Massa 97



http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2008/11/8660.html
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on December 05, 2008, 07:26:44 pm
Well, even though F1 is currently in it's off season phase, there is plenty going on to keep in touch with. For those of you F1 fans living under rocks, or missing the point of your internet connections:

Honda is OUT of F1, and is trying to sell up its F1 program.
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=44707


Hockenheim seems to be joining Canada and China in dropping out of F1, or threatening to:
http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=44690


The stupid looking 2009 wings have begun to make their way into testing - hopefully they at least help make the racing closer...
(http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/51398_2.jpg)

(http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/51356_2.jpg)

Other news:

Alonso has joined Ferrari in threatening to quit F1 if the engine rules dreamed up in Max Mosley's ass come into effect.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/7761669.stm
Ferraris side:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/7694009.stm

Bernie Ecclestone says 2009 season will be scored with gold, silver and bronze medals ONLY in drivers championship.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7749751.stm

Mark Webber breaks his leg during a cycle race
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7743308.stm

Berger sells his share of Torro Rosso to Red Bull owner Mateschitz
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7749003.stm

Bernie Ecclestone faces costly divorce.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7740348.stm

Brundle, Coulthard, Jordan join BBC F1 team.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7745347.stm
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on December 05, 2008, 09:22:33 pm
The Alonso threat to pull out should give Ernie something to think about.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on December 23, 2008, 10:27:01 am
Na, he's too busy working out how much extra to give Ferarri:

Quote
Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone revealed that Ferrari gets up to US$80 ($NZ139.5) million more out of the sport than any other team because of a special deal set up five years ago to buy the team's loyalty.

After Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo accused Ecclestone of not running F1 in a normal, transparent manner, the 78-year-old billionaire told The Times of London how much the famous Italian sports car manufacturer received from the sport.

"Ferrari get so much more money than everyone else," Ecclestone reportedly said. "They know exactly what they get, they are not that stupid, although they are not that bright, either. They get about US$80 million more.

"When they win the constructors' championship, which they did this year, they got US$80 million more than if McLaren had won it."

Ferrari's history in F1 has been central to the success of the sport over many years and Ecclestone said a special deal was set up after the teams threatened to break away and form a rival championship in 2003.

"They were the only team that broke ranks with the other manufacturers," he was quoted as saying in today's edition of The Times. "Why did they break ranks? That's where the US$80 million comes in.

"We 'bought' Ferrari's loyalty. Our deal with Ferrari was that we 'bought' them so they would not go to the others."

The row between the boss of F1 and the head of Ferrari comes at a time when the sport's world governing body is trying to get teams to make big spending cuts.

"What he (di Montezemolo) should do, rather than asking for money, with all the extra money Ferrari gets, he should share all that amongst the teams," Ecclestone told The Times.


:disappoin :disappoin :disappoin
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on December 23, 2008, 10:49:31 am
Quote from: TofuEater;859016
Na, he's too busy working out how much extra to give Ferarri:



:disappoin :disappoin :disappoin


There you go. Where are those people that slated us for saying ferrari were treated differently now?

I've been saying for ages something was going on after they did the dirty on the other manufacturers and signed up with bernie again.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: nzjeebs on December 23, 2008, 08:17:27 pm
Bernie Ecclestone's idea to make the F1 championship decided not by point but by medal tally sounds fucking fantastic, i hope this proposal goes through, will make for much more exciting racing.

Link for those of you who havent been keeping up with f1 goss.
http://formula1.com/news/interviews/2008/12/8775.html
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on December 23, 2008, 08:31:01 pm
Quote from: NZJeebs;859264
Bernie Ecclestone's idea to make the F1 championship decided not by point but by medal tally sounds fucking fantastic, i hope this proposal goes through, will make for much more exciting racing.

Link for those of you who havent been keeping up with f1 goss.
[url]http://formula1.com/news/interviews/2008/12/8775.html[/url]


You're way behind the times:

Quote from: Phil Aysheeo;848000
Well, even though F1 is currently in it's off season phase, there is plenty going on to keep in touch with. For those of you F1 fans living under rocks, or missing the point of your internet connections:

Honda is OUT of F1, and is trying to sell up its F1 program.
[url]http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=44707[/url]


Hockenheim seems to be joining Canada and China in dropping out of F1, or threatening to:
[url]http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=44690[/url]


The stupid looking 2009 wings have begun to make their way into testing - hopefully they at least help make the racing closer...


Other news:

Alonso has joined Ferrari in threatening to quit F1 if the engine rules dreamed up in Max Mosley's ass come into effect.
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/7761669.stm[/url]
Ferraris side:
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/7694009.stm[/url]

Bernie Ecclestone says 2009 season will be scored with gold, silver and bronze medals ONLY in drivers championship.

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7749751.stm[/url]

Mark Webber breaks his leg during a cycle race
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7743308.stm[/url]

Berger sells his share of Torro Rosso to Red Bull owner Mateschitz
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7749003.stm[/url]

Bernie Ecclestone faces costly divorce.
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7740348.stm[/url]

Brundle, Coulthard, Jordan join BBC F1 team.
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7745347.stm[/url]


Also formula1.com is owned by the FIA - so it's biased and you wont get any F1 goss they don't want you to know.

And the medals thing is stupid. Most golds wins championship: So for the likes of Lewis & Kimi etc, silver means stuff all unless they all have the exact same amount of golds at the end of the year. Whoopty woo. And what about the rest of the field - they fly around the world every couple of weeks, and get 4th or something, and no recognition? Piss on that. The midfield battles can be just as exciting as the lead ones, and they deserve to get something for it.

Bernie is a doddering old fool who is all about money and crackpot ideas that seep into his head. Next he'll say that all teams cars must have yellow on them because it looks good on TV. Well Bernie, your stupid podium music after the Anthems is boring on TV, and not keeping with the times. Do something about that instead.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on December 23, 2008, 08:58:14 pm
Yea, TBH, I think the medals idea is ridiculous.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on December 23, 2008, 10:01:59 pm
Quote from: Phil Aysheeo;859268
You're way behind the times:



Also formula1.com is owned by the FIA - so it's biased and you wont get any F1 goss they don't want you to know.

And the medals thing is stupid. Most golds wins championship: So for the likes of Lewis & Kimi etc, silver means stuff all unless they all have the exact same amount of golds at the end of the year. Whoopty woo. And what about the rest of the field - they fly around the world every couple of weeks, and get 4th or something, and no recognition? Piss on that. The midfield battles can be just as exciting as the lead ones, and they deserve to get something for it.

Bernie is a doddering old fool who is all about money and crackpot ideas that seep into his head. Next he'll say that all teams cars must have yellow on them because it looks good on TV. Well Bernie, your stupid podium music after the Anthems is boring on TV, and not keeping with the times. Do something about that instead.



I reckon the whole edifice is only a couple of team withdrawals away from coming crashing down round Ecclestone's ears.

The cost structures aren't sustainable without the massive sponsorships that aren't likely to be there in 2009.

Maybe it'll be a good thing for the sport-get away from all this racing under lights bullshit etc.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Temp on December 24, 2008, 10:37:45 am
Quote from: Spork;859283
Yea, TBH, I think the medals idea is ridiculous.


Agreed, it's a huge disincentive to the minor teams who strive all season for a few championship points, and completely wipes out any competition between the non ferrarri, mclaren, bmw teams (or top 3).

I really don't see anything wrong with it how it is (points). Maybe the difference between 1st and 2nd should be widened, which would go someway to fixing the problem the medals is aimed at. Increase first from 10 to 12.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on January 14, 2009, 12:04:00 pm
2009 Ferrari

(http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/51961_2.jpg)

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=44911

(http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/51982_2.jpg)

(http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/51981_2.jpg)
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on March 07, 2009, 11:29:51 am
Well, Honda have sold to Ross Brawn & co, so they made it to 2009. Good on them, I hope they go well. Check out http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=45216 for more info if you want. They're now called Brawn GP or something (lol), or BGP. This suggests to me that Ross Brawn not only facilitated the deal through sponsorship, but actually put a fair bit of his own money into it.

The car they worked on all last year (but have only tested yesterday):

(http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/52510_2.jpg)
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on March 07, 2009, 11:50:29 am
Schuey makes a comeback?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on March 07, 2009, 04:13:21 pm
What? Where did you get that idea? The only comeback Schuey is planning on making is on his wife. He's still just collecting a Ferrari paycheck by following them around to a few tests etc and being an "advisor".

Brawn's keeping Button and Barrichello as drivers.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 07, 2009, 05:27:26 pm
Quote from: Phil Aysheeo;899814
What? Where did you get that idea? The only comeback Schuey is planning on making is on his wife. He's still just collecting a Ferrari paycheck by following them around to a few tests etc and being an "advisor".

Brawn's keeping Button and Barrichello as drivers.


Keeping Barrichello? Boring! Get Senna or someone new in there!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on March 07, 2009, 06:35:53 pm
Well, Brazilians will have to wait another year to jerk each other off over the Senna name being raced in F1 again. I'd say Brawn is taking the safe route, he knows these guys, knows they can perform, and they have the experience to help develop the car as fast as possible to catch up. He probably wants consistency and no surprises while getting this "new" team running. Plus he may have made promises to Reubens. Who really knows.

Having said that, they're not potentially as far behind as people are making out - they were the first to start developing this years car last year, and have still been developing while waiting to be sold. They've only missed out on a couple of four day tests, and Force India, Torro Rosso, etc have only done a couple of days each if that. It's not a mountain to climb.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on March 26, 2009, 09:56:23 pm
Australia     16/03/2008     Lewis Hamilton     McLaren-Mercedes     58     1:34:50.616

Malaysia    23/03/2008    Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    56    1:31:18.555

Bahrain    06/04/2008    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    57    1:31:06.970

Spain    27/04/2008    Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    66    1:38:19.051

Turkey    11/05/2008    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    58    1:26:49.451

Monaco    25/05/2008    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    76    2:00:42.742

Canada    08/06/2008    Robert Kubica    BMW Sauber    70    1:36:24.447

France    22/06/2008    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    70    1:31:50.245

Great Britain    06/07/2008    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    60    1:39:09.440

Germany    20/07/2008    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    67    1:31:20.874

Hungary    03/08/2008    Heikki Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    70    1:37:27.067

Europe    24/08/2008    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    57    1:35:32.339

Belgium    07/09/2008    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    44    1:22:59.394

Italy    14/09/2008    Sebastian Vettel    STR-Ferrari    53    1:26:47.494

Singapore    28/09/2008    Fernando Alonso    Renault    61    1:57:16.304

Japan    12/10/2008    Fernando Alonso    Renault    67    1:30:21.892

China    19/10/2008    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    56    1:31:57.403

Brazil    02/11/2008    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    71    1:34:11.435
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Temp on March 26, 2009, 11:14:48 pm
Quote from: Phil Aysheeo;899846
Well, Brazilians will have to wait another year to jerk each other off over the Senna name being raced in F1 again.


What do you mean by that?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 26, 2009, 11:39:39 pm
Quote from: Templar;912209
What do you mean by that?

Senna didnt his seat yet... barichello still driving for honda. Oh to dream...
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 26, 2009, 11:44:06 pm
F1 Australia Race times on Sky Sport 2

Friday
2:30pm - 4:00pm Practice 1
7:30pm - 9:00pm Practice 2

Saturday
4:00pm - 5:15pm Practice 3
7:00pm - 8:00pm Qualifying

Sunday
7:00pm - 9:05pm RACE!!!


Disclaimer: Dont blame me if im wrong, but I went on the telstra site and got the viewing times. Cant wait!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on March 27, 2009, 01:12:39 am
Quote from: Templar;912209
What do you mean by that?


Pretty much what Baffled said, but with better grammar, spelling, and coherency lol:

Quote from: Baffled;912222
Senna didnt his seat yet... barichello still driving for honda. Oh to dream...


Bruno Senna (Ayrton's Nephew) was expected to get Barrichello's seat at Honda if they got rescued. Honda made it, but Senna did not.

Of course, in other news, there's been all sorts of hooplah about the points system being changed to "most wins gets the championship" behind the teams back, then changed back again because it was too close to the season start and therefore illegal of the FIA to pull shit like that.

They did however (so far) pull some stupid 30mil budget cap rule for next year: but teams don't have to comply - the teams that do stay below 30mil have more relaxed technical rules, but teams that go over the budget have more restrictions: basically two different sets of rules for the cars specs. What the fuck are the head FIA guys smoking? Seriously.

Than we come to McLaren and Renault threatening Bernie that they wouldn't come to OZ unless he paid them some TV money he owed them or something, so he said he would cancel their cargo plane for their cars etc to save $$, and they backed down. He went on record saying "If you're going to put a gun to my head, you better be prepared to pull the fucking trigger. Watch your backs"...

And of course the expected diffuser protests - most teams are questioning the legality of Brawns, Williams, and Toyota's (I think) rear diffusers. Oh yay.

I think that covers most developments for any F1 fan that has been held hostage in a dark cave for the last few weeks.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: kilabee on March 27, 2009, 06:45:06 am
Quote from: Phil Aysheeo;912246
.

I think that covers most developments for any F1 fan that has been held hostage in a dark cave for the last few weeks.



+ slicks are back.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 27, 2009, 11:05:21 am
Quote from: Phil Aysheeo;899846
Having said that, they're not potentially as far behind as people are making out - they were the first to start developing this years car last year, and have still been developing while waiting to be sold. They've only missed out on a couple of four day tests, and Force India, Torro Rosso, etc have only done a couple of days each if that. It's not a mountain to climb.


Its crazy how much peoples views have changed, from Honda looking like a rubbish team in 08 with the possibility of not even continuing this season to being the fastest one out there on their first tests and now being called the favourite for Melbourne.

The massive new aero changes are great, nobody knows what team will be best and Lewis ain't going to have an easy time defending his championship.

I just cant stand the bloody F1 bosses changing the rules without caring for the teams though. A change to the point system is a good idea to get better racing but it should be done the teams way... eg 12, 9, 7 etc (or with even more of a diff (20,14,10..)... not just medals.


BUTTON 2009!
Time to prove if you can drive Jenson!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on March 27, 2009, 12:52:44 pm
Quote from: kilabee;912258
+ slicks are back.


Yeah I think we already covered the slicks, aero changes including moveable front wings (2 adjustments per lap) etc etc before last years season even finished. I was talking about new developments and controversies that arose in the last few weeks.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on March 27, 2009, 01:03:01 pm
Quote from: Baffled;912369
Its crazy how much peoples views have changed, from Honda looking like a rubbish team in 08 with the possibility of not even continuing this season to being the fastest one out there on their first tests and now being called the favourite for Melbourne.
I'm not so sure.

Honda basically stopped all development of last years car as they were so far off of the pace. Last year they concentrated all their efforts on this years car - even more so than teams normally do.. So IMO it's to be expected that they'd be competitive.

The real proof will be this weekend though - testing is just that. No-one knows what fuel etc the teams were runnning and it could all be smokes and mirrors..!!!

Go Lewis!!!!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 27, 2009, 03:48:31 pm
Ah finally, a dedicated free to air sports channel in Aust. Channel 'One' FTW!

The front of the car's looks so weird.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Bounty Hunter on March 29, 2009, 11:14:55 am
is there a free live stream somewhere?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 29, 2009, 11:17:33 am
Quote from: Bounty Hunter;913279
is there a free live stream somewhere?

http://www.justin.tv has everything.

I heard on Friday while watching practice that Mclaren aren't going to be one of the big teams this year? How come?

Does this mean that the result at the end of the race depends completely on the manufacturer? Shouldn't someone who can win so many races and finish in the top 3 in the rest of the races, be able to do so or at least get in the top 5-10 in any car? I'm talking about Hamilton here.. I hate him, but you would think that he should still be able to do alright..?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Goose_111 on March 29, 2009, 11:31:51 am
Quote from: Spork;913281
http://www.justin.tv has everything.

I heard on Friday while watching practice that Mclaren aren't going to be one of the big teams this year? How come?

Does this mean that the result at the end of the race depends completely on the manufacturer? Shouldn't someone who can win so many races and finish in the top 3 in the rest of the races, be able to do so or at least get in the top 5-10 in any car? I'm talking about Hamilton here.. I hate him, but you would think that he should still be able to do alright..?

seems that there car = fail

and yea i fully agree with what you said im just assumeing the mclaren boys have just not got it yet, but hay not evin raced yet so cant rely bag them to much yet, i love mclaren as well, have allways supported them, i say bring back hakkinen haha and also any one els thing that the brawn gp with the fluro yello "aerodynamic hub caps" look like vomit on that car?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 29, 2009, 03:46:22 pm
Quote from: Spork;913281
http://www.justin.tv has everything.

I heard on Friday while watching practice that Mclaren aren't going to be one of the big teams this year? How come?

Does this mean that the result at the end of the race depends completely on the manufacturer? Shouldn't someone who can win so many races and finish in the top 3 in the rest of the races, be able to do so or at least get in the top 5-10 in any car? I'm talking about Hamilton here.. I hate him, but you would think that he should still be able to do alright..?


The car makes a huge difference just look at honda/brawn from last year to this year and renault from 05/06 to the last couple of years. But if they take the manufacturers side away from it, it would destroy f1... they have already put a freeze on engines. They need the challenge to improve their technology, otherwise we would just have another A1GP (standard ferrari designed cars)
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on March 29, 2009, 05:24:36 pm
7PM Start I think.

The Toyotas were relegated to the back of the grid because of a wing infringement.



Pos     No     Driver     Team     Q1   Q2   Q3     Laps
1    22    Jenson Button    Brawn-Mercedes    1:25.211   1:24.855   1:26.202    19
2    23    Rubens Barrichello    Brawn-Mercedes    1:25.006   1:24.783   1:26.505    21
3    15    Sebastian Vettel    RBR-Renault    1:25.938   1:25.121   1:26.830    21
4    5    Robert Kubica    BMW Sauber    1:25.922   1:25.152   1:26.914    19
5    16    Nico Rosberg    Williams-Toyota    1:25.846   1:25.123   1:26.973    21
6    10    Timo Glock    Toyota    1:25.499   1:25.281   1:26.975    19
7    3    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    1:25.844   1:25.319   1:27.033    21
8    9    Jarno Trulli    Toyota    1:26.194   1:25.265   1:27.127    20
9    4    Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    1:25.899   1:25.380   1:27.163    21
10    14    Mark Webber    RBR-Renault    1:25.427   1:25.241   1:27.246    20
11    6    Nick Heidfeld    BMW Sauber    1:25.827   1:25.504      14
12    7    Fernando Alonso    Renault    1:26.026   1:25.605      12
13    17    Kazuki Nakajima    Williams-Toyota    1:26.074   1:25.607      16
14    2    Heikki Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    1:26.184   1:25.726      15
15    1    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    1:26.454   no time      5
16    12    Sebastien Buemi    STR-Ferrari    1:26.503         10
17    8    Nelsinho Piquet    Renault    1:26.598         12
18    21    Giancarlo Fisichella    Force India-Mercedes    1:26.677         10
19    20    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Mercedes    1:26.742         9
20    11    Sebastien Bourdais    STR-Ferrari    1:26.964         10
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 29, 2009, 06:00:15 pm
Those are some awesome amazing times! the top 11 drivers all posting a 1.25!

Watching all this pre race stuff is making me want the race to start already! Also wanting the new F1 game more than ever!

EDIT: Hamilton has to be the BOG. Awesome drive tbh.

Awesome work to Button, Vettel (unlucky to lose it where he did) and Barichello to keep their positions
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on March 29, 2009, 08:47:18 pm
Interesting race and the start of what looks like being an interesting season.

Brawn wins.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 29, 2009, 08:54:56 pm
Who in the world is leo saya? (guy making love to button's dad after the race)
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on March 29, 2009, 09:03:35 pm
70's singer who had a string of (s)hits. I'd linky you to some youtube but my conscience won't allow it.

Excellent work by Button, you've got to admire the way he hung in there for all those years - especially in the last couple as Hamilton got all the press. And pleasing for Trulli - another guy in the twilight of his career who might just end up having the season of his life.

Oh, and big fucken downs for the BBC who completely fucked up the post-match. Interviewing Hamilton while Button was speaking then getting the synch wrong - what a bunch of useless cunts. Bring back ITV! :cussing:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 29, 2009, 09:04:28 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;913484
70's singer who had a string of (s)hits. I'd linky you to some youtube but my conscience won't allow it.

Hahaha, fair enough. I googled his name and all ti came up with was random facebook pages.

I didnt realise until the press conference, Trulli started from the pits! So I take back my sentence about Hamilton, Trulli is the real winner of the day!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 29, 2009, 09:21:14 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;913484


Oh, and big fucken downs for the BBC who completely fucked up the post-match. Interviewing Hamilton while Button was speaking then getting the synch wrong - what a bunch of useless cunts. Bring back ITV! :cussing:


Totally agree, but ITV kept fucking it up last year too, was hoping they would have it sorted by now. It also happened during quali, everytime quali ended and they started filming the cars in the garage the audio from the cars going around the track was still playing or there was no sound at all.

All the bloody money in the world and they cant even get the coverage right.


Awesome race button! And great job brawn GP! Good on trulli, hopefully he has a decent car to back him up all season. What happened with Hamilton at the end? Did he pass trulli under safety car then give the position back? They never said... but he was up in 3rd then back down to 4th.

Kubica and vettel are going to be kicking themselves such a stupid mistake, 2nd and 3rd until 3 laps to go and take each other out, good to see all these great new drivers have cars to back them up though. Should make for a great season with all new teams fighting for wins.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Goose_111 on March 29, 2009, 10:01:24 pm
Barrichello was ruthless today!! was a good race, kinda gay it finished under SC but still was good, loveing how porn star buttons old man is! pink shirt white pants young wife he loves it!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 29, 2009, 10:14:34 pm
Quote from: Goose_111;913527
Barrichello was ruthless today!! was a good race, kinda gay it finished under SC but still was good, loveing how porn star buttons old man is! pink shirt white pants young wife he loves it!

It didnt actually finish under the safety car, they released them onto the straight but I know what you mean... it did kill the last few laps of the race.

I set up the projector in the lounge and watched the race on a massive screen :D
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Goose_111 on March 29, 2009, 10:20:09 pm
Quote from: Baffled;913534
It didnt actually finish under the safety car, they released them onto the straight but I know what you mean... it did kill the last few laps of the race.

I set up the projector in the lounge and watched the race on a massive screen :D

That sounds mean, I’m fully not looking forward to the 12am wake ups to watch the races! But it’s kind of good, I don’t like recording and watching it, just not the same. And that cock up at the end with the press conf.. some ones gona get a kick for that haha
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on March 30, 2009, 08:27:33 am
Yay for Hamilton - up to third after the stewards gave Trulli a penalty for overtaking under the safety car. Bad luck for Trulli, but i'm sure he'll be able to make up for it during the season.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on March 30, 2009, 08:40:42 am
Quote from: TofuEater;913629
Yay for Hamilton - up to third after the stewards gave Trulli a penalty for overtaking under the safety car. Bad luck for Trulli, but i'm sure he'll be able to make up for it during the season.


Ah so thats what happened... why cant they sort this shit out before they give out the trophies and let Hamilton stand on the podium instead of having to take it back off Trulli.
Title: F(errari) 1 strikes again
Post by: TofuEater on April 03, 2009, 08:11:13 am
Louis Hamilton has been stripped of his third place for apparently "intentionally misleading" the stewards over Trulli's passing manoeuvre. Hamilton was disqualified to ensure that Ferrari stays in the title hunt. :(
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: kilabee on April 03, 2009, 08:28:26 am
One race in and the series is already a shambles.Go Brawn
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Temp on April 04, 2009, 08:05:15 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;916082
Louis Hamilton has been stripped of his third place for apparently "intentionally misleading" the stewards over Trulli's passing manoeuvre. Hamilton was disqualified to ensure that Ferrari stays in the title hunt. :(


Nice sensationalism.

Turns out your heroes are just full of sh*t. I don't think much to do with Ferrari here.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7980593.stm
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on April 04, 2009, 08:07:40 pm
Yea, got nothing to do with Ferrari.. There is no title fight, it is the bloody first race of the season!

Good old Webber though, Second in practice, behind Rosberg, although practice means shit all really.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on April 04, 2009, 10:00:11 pm
Quote from: Templar;916972
I don't think much to do with Ferrari here.


Quote from: Spork;916975
Yea, got nothing to do with Ferrari..

The surefire test is to ask yourself what would have happened if it had been Massa or Raikonnen - nothing as always. :P
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on April 04, 2009, 10:03:32 pm
I don't support Ferrari at all, nor do I support Mclaren. I just don't think that this had anything to do with Ferrari.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on April 05, 2009, 01:27:52 am
Looks to be exactly the same as the Aus GP so far.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Temp on April 05, 2009, 07:08:47 am
Quote from: TofuEater;917017
The surefire test is to ask yourself what would have happened if it had been Massa or Raikonnen - nothing as always. :P


Then again, would Ferrari have spied, cheated or lied and put themselves in this position in the first place?

I'm not sure about your blind support of McLaren, things don't seem healthy there and Louis' lifetime loyalty pledge was already forgotten as he started hinting he wanted a new team during the off season.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: kilabee on April 05, 2009, 07:10:59 am
Huge cock up by Massa.Got to confident and eliminated in the first qualifing session.Can't remember that ever happening to Ferrari before.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 05, 2009, 03:39:51 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;917017
The surefire test is to ask yourself what would have happened if it had been Massa or Raikonnen - nothing as always. :P


Poor effort Tofu.

Blind loyalty was what got the Germans into trouble in 1940.


1. Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 660kg
2. Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 656.5
3. Timo Glock, Toyota, 656.5
4. Nico Rosberg, Williams, 656
5. Mark Webber, Red Bull, 656
6. Robert Kubica, BMW-Sauber, 663
7. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 662.5
8. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn, 664.5
9. Fernando Alonso, Renault, 680.5
10. Nick Heidfeld, BMW-Sauber, 692
11. Kazuki Nakajima,Williams, 683.4
12. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 688
13. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 647
14. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 688.9
15. Sebastien Bourdais, Toro Rosso, 670.5
16. Felipe Massa, Ferrari, 689.5
17. Nelson Piquet, Renault, 681.9
18. Giancarlo Fisichella, Force India, 680.5
19. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 655.5
20. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 686.5
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on April 05, 2009, 09:55:51 pm
What the hell is wrong with this commentary? They are stuffing up every second sentence, calling Button - Barrichello and Webber - Vetterl, the new guy even called the hard wets - intermediates.

Crazy ass audio glitches aswell.

Big lol @ Massas audio transmission during the red flag.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 05, 2009, 10:34:25 pm
Quote from: Spork;917351
What the hell is wrong with this commentary? They are stuffing up every second sentence, calling Button - Barrichello and Webber - Vetterl, the new guy even called the hard wets - intermediates.

Crazy ass audio glitches aswell.

Big lol @ Massas audio transmission during the red flag.


They couldn't see what the hell was going on.

It was nearly dark, thanks to Bernie's ludicrous timetable for foreign countries like us.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on April 05, 2009, 11:03:21 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;917247
Blind loyalty was what got the Germans into trouble in 1940.

Yeah and you Ferrari fanboys shouldn't forget that.

Great drive by Glock, btw - tactically the best i've seen in a long while.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: private_hell on April 06, 2009, 09:10:39 am
not a big follower of the f1 however just interested in the list zarkov put up - is that hte oficial weight of the car after the race ended?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on April 06, 2009, 10:19:17 am
Na, it was at the race start. You can see who was carrying more fuel, but you also have to take into consideration the fact that the KERS weighs around 30kg.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Temp on April 06, 2009, 10:34:04 am
Pretty stupid having to post your pre race start, pre race.

I mean you may as well just make them tell you what lap they're going to stop on. Can anyone justify that to me in how does it improve the racing?

Also think qualifying should be qualifying, i.e. go as fast as you can and then do whatever you like with your fuel load.

I like the qualifying how it comes down to the 10 shootout, but do not like how they have to fuel up enough to make it to their first pit stop, including q3, drive to the grid, do the warmup laps and make it to the first stint all on the same tank.

Don't get me started on the medals.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on April 06, 2009, 11:04:53 am
Quote from: Templar;917508
Also think qualifying should be qualifying, i.e. go as fast as you can and then do whatever you like with your fuel load.

I like the current system for the top ten. It means that they have to work out a compromise between the amount of fuel and whether they want to be on the front of the grid.

For some teams that aren't going to win the championship it makes sense to get as light as possible, grab a pole and keep the sponsors happy. For the championship contenders, they have to look at where their rivals were going to come in and fuel up for a lap or two more. I'm pretty sure if you went back to the previous way that it would make pole even more boring than it is now (well the last ten years or so).
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Temp on April 06, 2009, 11:08:17 am
I think qualifying should be about who has the faster car, call me a purist I guess.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on April 06, 2009, 01:55:18 pm
Quote from: Templar;917529
I think qualifying should be about who has the faster car, call me a purist I guess.
Agreed.

After all, isn't motor racing about being the quickest?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: kilabee on April 06, 2009, 04:53:26 pm
Quote from: Xt1ncT;917622
Agreed.

After all, isn't motor racing about being the quickest?


Meh,I dunno.I like the fact that the new system mixes it up a bit.Its far better than seeing the biggest spender take pole in each race.Brings in a hell of a lot of strategy into it also.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on April 08, 2009, 12:20:56 pm
Quote from: Xt1ncT;917622
Agreed.

After all, isn't motor racing about being the quickest?

Na, seemingly it's all about whether your team name is McLaren. :cussing:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10565837


Quote
Motorsport: McLaren may be banned for season

The FIA is again looking to make an example of McLaren, with an extraordinary meeting of the WMSC in Paris this month.
Lewis Hamilton's nightmare season went from bad to worse yesterday when motorsport's governing body, the FIA, announced that his McLaren team had been "invited" to appear before an extraordinary meeting of the World Motor Sport Council in Paris at the end of the month.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 08, 2009, 04:31:34 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;918748
Na, seemingly it's all about whether your team name is McLaren. :cussing:

[url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10565837[/url]


Bad show Tofu.

It's conspiracy theories like that and an introspective outlook such as yours that has led the poor people of North Korea into decades of poverty and isolation.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on April 09, 2009, 07:48:10 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;918929
Bad show Tofu.

That seems to be your standard response when you know i'm right. :P
Title: Diffusers endorsed
Post by: TofuEater on April 16, 2009, 10:49:28 am
The FIA has announced that the diffusers used by Brawn GP, Williams and Toyota. Interestingly, Mclaren wasn't one of the teams that had been involved with the challenge as to their legality - i suspect because they have a diffuser of their own ready to go. Will we see a return to the old order once all the teams have installed diffusers? I'm suspecting so.

Article link: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10566900
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 16, 2009, 03:44:52 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;922085
The FIA has announced that the diffusers used by Brawn GP, Williams and Toyota. Interestingly, Mclaren wasn't one of the teams that had been involved with the challenge as to their legality - i suspect because they have a diffuser of their own ready to go. Will we see a return to the old order once all the teams have installed diffusers? I'm suspecting so.

Article link: [url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10566900[/url]


Just another anti-Ferrari decision from the FIA.

Ron's probably behind it.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on April 16, 2009, 08:55:03 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;922260
Just another anti-Ferrari decision from the FIA.

Banned for the season and forced to pay US$100m?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 19, 2009, 08:00:26 am
Vettel makes a little Red Bull history


Qualifying for Sunday’s 56-lap Chinese Grand Prix proved a thrilling affair with the provisional pole position changing hands numerous times before Sebastian Vettel flashed across the line to claim his second career pole and the first for the Red Bull Renault team.

While Vettel celebrates his success, Fernando Alonso will be thrilled to line up second after the Renault team worked late into the night fitting a new aerodynamic package to the R29 challenger. The double world champion duly rewarded the hard-working Enstone crew with a front-row start, two-tenths shy of Vettel.

Mark Webber ran well throughout qualifying and lines up third in the second Red Bull Renault while Rubens Barrichello and Jenson Button line up fourth and fifth for Brawn Mercedes. The result is not what Button would have hoped for as he was chasing his third straight pole, but we do not yet know what fuel levels the fastest three runners opted to run in qualifying.

It was a fairly mixed day for the Toyota team with Jarno Trulli having a relatively routine run to sixth position on the grid while team-mate Timo Glock suffered a gearbox failure in practice and then was just 14th fastest when it counted. With a five position grid position penalty for the unscheduled gearbox change, Glock lines up at the back between the Force India duo.

Nico Rosberg topped the timesheets in practice but will be slightly disappointed to line up seventh in the leading Williams Toyota. Team-mate Kazuki Nakajima failed to shine again in qualifying and was 15th fastest of the 15 runners to make it into the second round of qualifying.
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The Ferrari looks a real handful to drive in Shanghai this weekend, but stripped of KERS Kimi Raikkonen at least managed to qualify eighth but there was further qualifying disappointment for Felipe Massa down in 13th position following a small error on his critical lap.

Defending champion and 2008 race winner Lewis Hamilton qualified ninth in his modified McLaren Mercedes while Heikki Kovalainen was unfortunate to find traffic on his final qualifying run and was just 12th ahead of Massa, Glock and Nakajima.

While Vettel grabs all the headlines, one additional stand out performance was from Swiss Rookie Sebastien Buemi who qualified tenth in his Toro Rosso Ferrari. Given his more experienced team-mate Sebastien Bourdais failed to make it out of the first round of qualifying, it was a great effort from Buemi to qualify tenth.

Nick Heidfeld led the BMW Sauber charge today with the 11th fastest time but it was fundamentally a disappointing session for the team. Robert Kubica failed at the first hurdle and Heidfeld only just scraping into the second round of qualifying.

The team opted to run the harder prime tyre for the first run before switching to the softer option late in the first round of qualifying. Heidfeld managed a better lap but Kubica is left a very disappointed 18th on the grid ahead of only the Force India Mercedes duo of Adrian Sutil and Giancarlo Fisichella and behind Bourdais and Nelson Piquet in the second Renault.

Congratulations to Vettel and Red Bull but we will get a clearer picture of what to expect on race day when the FIA publish the qualifying weights.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 19, 2009, 08:02:54 am
Quote from: Zarkov;922260
Just another anti-Ferrari decision from the FIA.

Ron's probably behind it.


Ron's gone btw.

Lewis Hamilton's dad didn't like him apparently.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Temp on April 19, 2009, 11:38:01 am
Nice to see Alonso up in 2nd!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 19, 2009, 10:05:46 pm
15     Sebastian Vettel     RBR-Renault    56     Winner     1     10
2    14    Mark Webber    RBR-Renault    56    +10.9 secs    3    8
3    22    Jenson Button    Brawn-Mercedes    56    +44.9 secs    5    6
4    23    Rubens Barrichello    Brawn-Mercedes    56    +63.7 secs    4    5
5    2    Heikki Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    56    +65.1 secs    12    4
6    1    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    56    +71.8 secs    9    3
7    10    Timo Glock    Toyota    56    +74.4 secs    19    2
8    12    Sebastien Buemi    STR-Ferrari    56    +76.4 secs    10    1
9    7    Fernando Alonso    Renault    56    +84.3 secs    2    
10    4    Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    56    +91.7 secs    8    
11    11    Sebastien Bourdais    STR-Ferrari    56    +94.1 secs    15    
12    6    Nick Heidfeld    BMW Sauber    56    +95.8 secs    11    
13    5    Robert Kubica    BMW Sauber    56    + 106.8 secs    17    
14    21    Giancarlo Fisichella    Force India-Mercedes    55    +1 Lap    20    
15    16    Nico Rosberg    Williams-Toyota    55    +1 Lap    7    
16    8    Nelsinho Piquet    Renault    53    +2 Laps    16    
17    20    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Mercedes    50    +6 Laps    18    
Ret    17    Kazuki Nakajima    Williams-Toyota    43    +13 Laps    14    
Ret    3    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    20    +36 Laps    13    
Ret    9    Jarno Trulli    Toyota



Sebastion Vettel is a wonderful driver.

Terrific result for Red Bull.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 26, 2009, 08:40:46 am
Trulli back on the pole with Toyota!


Toyota had already shown impressive pace in practice ahead of qualifying for the Bahrain Grand Prix and were one of the three teams to spend two week’s testing at the 5.412km circuit in the off-season. The hard work paid off handsomely for the German-based squad today as Jarno Trulli stormed to pole position from team-mate Timo Glock.

As ever, we do not know the fuel loads until later today, but the TF109 package looked strong and Trulli put in a faultless performance to stop the clocks in 1:33.431s, just under three-tenths of a second clear of Glock.

While Toyota celebrate a superb qualifying result - and their first pole since Suzuka 2005 - Chinese Grand Prix victors Red Bull Renault had a very mixed day with Sebastian Vettel qualifying a solid third while team-mate Mark Webber fell at the first hurdle courtesy of some inattentive driving from Adrian Sutil.

Championship leader Jenson Button lines up fourth and was disappointed with the qualifying pace of the Brawn Mercedes while team-mate Rubens Barrichello was sixth best in the second BGP 001. Defending champion Lewis Hamilton meanwhile enjoyed his most competitive qualifying session of the season as he split the Brawn duo with the fifth fastest time in his McLaren Mercedes.

Fernando Alonso lines up seventh in the leading Renault while team-mate Nelson Piquet was at least able to make the second round of qualifying for the first time this year and was 15th fastest in his updated R29. Still, there will be no escaping the massive second plus gap between the Renault duo in the second round of qualifying plus another error from the under-pressure Brazilian racer.

Ferrari are having a tough start to the season with the F60 package but at least today both Felipe Massa and Kimi Raikkonen both made it into the final round of qualifying. Massa starts eighth with Raikkonen seemingly heavily fuelled starts tenth.
The team are of course chasing their first points of the season and while the car may not yet feature any developments, the Italian squad seem in much better shape than in recent events.

Williams Toyota have flattered to deceive again this weekend after Rosberg looked very strong in practice only to qualify ninth in his updated FW31. Team-mate Kazuki Nakajima starts 12th behind the second McLaren Mercedes of Heikki Kovalainen.

BMW Sauber have not looked fast for some time now and today was no exception as Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld slithered around to 13th and 14th positions on the grid. For a team leading the championship a year ago, the updates to the F1.09 package cannot come soon enough.

Adrian Sutil qualified 16th in the leading Force India Mercedes behind Piquet, but was involved in an incident late in the first round of qualifying that saw him inadvertently block Webber. The end result was the Red Bull Renault driver had his final qualifying lap severely compromised and the disappointed Australian was 19th fastest. However, the Force India racer was later handed a three position grid penalty dropping him to 19th and promoting Webber up one position.

Sebastien Buemi qualified 17th in his Toro Rosso Ferrari and will therefore start 16th in his Toro Rosso Ferrari ahead of Giancarlo Fisichella in his Force India, Webber, Sutil and Sebastien Bourdais in the second STR4.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on May 01, 2009, 08:33:20 pm
Brendon Hartley gets reserve driver slot at Red Bull!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10569841


Wonder how long it takes for him to get a start? will he get a start?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on May 01, 2009, 08:38:32 pm
Time to get rid of Bourdais.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Shasta on May 02, 2009, 07:05:26 pm
And Piquet.

And Kovaleinen.

Both are being immensely outclassed by their teams mates consistently. Are they talented? Who knows. Are they working in their current teams? Hell no.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on May 10, 2009, 09:19:34 am
FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO DE ESPANA TELEFONICA 2009



Pos    No    Driver    Team    Q1   Q2   Q3    Laps

1    22    Jenson Button    Brawn-Mercedes    1:20.707   1:20.192   1:20.527    21
2    15    Sebastian Vettel    RBR-Renault    1:20.715   1:20.220   1:20.660    15
3    23    Rubens Barrichello    Brawn-Mercedes    1:20.808   1:19.954   1:20.762    20
4    3    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    1:20.484   1:20.149   1:20.934    18
5    14    Mark Webber    RBR-Renault    1:20.689   1:20.007   1:21.049    17
6    10    Timo Glock    Toyota    1:20.877   1:20.107   1:21.247    25
7    9    Jarno Trulli    Toyota    1:21.189   1:20.420   1:21.254    25
8    7    Fernando Alonso    Renault    1:21.186   1:20.509   1:21.392    20
9    16    Nico Rosberg    Williams-Toyota    1:20.745   1:20.256   1:22.558    22
10    5    Robert Kubica    BMW Sauber    1:20.931   1:20.408   1:22.685    15
11    17    Kazuki Nakajima    Williams-Toyota    1:20.818   1:20.531      16
12    8    Nelsinho Piquet    Renault    1:21.128   1:20.604      20
13    6    Nick Heidfeld    BMW Sauber    1:21.095   1:20.676      16
14    1    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    1:20.991   1:20.805      12
15    12    Sebastien Buemi    STR-Ferrari    1:21.033   1:21.067      15
16    4    Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    1:21.291         5
17    11    Sebastien Bourdais    STR-Ferrari    1:21.300         8
18    2    Heikki Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    1:21.675         10
19    20    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Mercedes    1:21.742         11
20    21    Giancarlo Fisichella    Force India-Mercedes    1:22.204
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on May 10, 2009, 01:09:11 pm
Haha look at the side of the Brawn car, it has Terminator sighnage on the wing for the weekend.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/5/9318.html


And lol, Ferrari make a mess of it once again. Raikonnen out in Q1.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on May 10, 2009, 04:24:20 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;933645

18    2    Heikki Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    1:21.675         10

What a waste of money.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on May 11, 2009, 06:39:03 am
FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO DE ESPANA TELEFONICA 2009



Pos    No    Driver    Team    Laps    Time/Retired    Grid    Pts

1    22    Jenson Button    Brawn-Mercedes    66    1:37:19.202    1    10
2    23    Rubens Barrichello    Brawn-Mercedes    66    +13.0 secs    3    8
3    14    Mark Webber    RBR-Renault    66    +13.9 secs    5    6
4    15    Sebastian Vettel    RBR-Renault    66    +18.9 secs    2    5
5    7    Fernando Alonso    Renault    66    +43.1 secs    8    4
6    3    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    66    +50.8 secs    4    3
7    6    Nick Heidfeld    BMW Sauber    66    +52.3 secs    13    2
8    16    Nico Rosberg    Williams-Toyota    66    +65.2 secs    9    1
9    1    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    65    +1 Lap    14    
10    10    Timo Glock    Toyota    65    +1 Lap    6    
11    5    Robert Kubica    BMW Sauber    65    +1 Lap    10    
12    8    Nelsinho Piquet    Renault    65    +1 Lap    12    
13    17    Kazuki Nakajima    Williams-Toyota    65    +1 Lap    11    
14    21    Giancarlo Fisichella    Force India-Mercedes    65    +1 Lap    20    
Ret    4    Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    17    Hydraulics    16    
Ret    2    Heikki Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    7    Gearbox    18    
Ret    9    Jarno Trulli    Toyota    0    Accident    7    
Ret    12    Sebastien Buemi    STR-Ferrari    0    Accident    15    
Ret    11    Sebastien Bourdais    STR-Ferrari    0    Accident    17    
Ret    20    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Mercedes
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Goose_111 on May 11, 2009, 08:24:26 am
Looking forward to watching the highlights today, had a huge night sat and feel asleep b4 the race started how do you all think the race went?!  sounds like it was a good one, and wicked that button has got another one under his belt. Was looking at the photos on the F1 site, man jenson’s dad is all class with the open pink shirt and all he just needs some grid girls and to hang out with Richard Branson and he will be sorted.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on May 11, 2009, 11:13:56 am
its awesome to be seeing Webber is being consistant. He is in 4th place overall at the moment. he took his time to get up there, but then, minardi wasnt exactly the best starting team.

oh and congrats to Brendon Hartley, remember seeing him win a few Formula Ford races years ago.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on May 11, 2009, 11:16:02 am
its awesome to be seeing Webber is being consistant. He is in 4th place overall at the moment. he took his time to get up there, but then, minardi wasnt exactly the best starting team.

oh and congrats to Brendon Hartley, remember seeing him win a few Formula Ford races years ago.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Goose_111 on May 11, 2009, 11:50:40 am
Quote from: JontyB;934080
its awesome to be seeing Webber is being consistant. He is in 4th place overall at the moment. he took his time to get up there, but then, minardi wasnt exactly the best starting team.

oh and congrats to Brendon Hartley, remember seeing him win a few Formula Ford races years ago.


yea its good looking at the photos and haveing (NZL) next to his name was cool, but he looks soo out of place with his long shaggy hair and stuff its wicked! hopefully he reps it hard for NZ one day on the podium
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Goose_111 on May 11, 2009, 12:39:52 pm
Quote from: JontyB;934080
its awesome to be seeing Webber is being consistant. He is in 4th place overall at the moment. he took his time to get up there, but then, minardi wasnt exactly the best starting team.

oh and congrats to Brendon Hartley, remember seeing him win a few Formula Ford races years ago.


yea its good looking at the photos and haveing (NZL) next to his name was cool, but he looks soo out of place with his long shaggy hair and stuff its wicked! hopefully he reps it hard for NZ one day on the podium
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on May 19, 2009, 04:26:46 pm
Quote from: Goose_111;934093
yea its good looking at the photos and haveing (NZL) next to his name was cool, but he looks soo out of place with his long shaggy hair and stuff its wicked! hopefully he reps it hard for NZ one day on the podium


he's been followed by teams for long enough, i can definitely see him getting a race seat in the next year or two, its a shame bout the testing ban, he has to wait till after the season to let loose and impress (more) people.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Goose_111 on May 23, 2009, 05:19:22 pm
Bring on Monaco babey! love this track out of all of them.. prob my top along with suzuka!! its going to be good
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on May 23, 2009, 05:35:55 pm
Quote from: JontyB;934080
its awesome to be seeing Webber is being consistant. He is in 4th place overall at the moment. he took his time to get up there, but then, minardi wasnt exactly the best starting team.

oh and congrats to Brendon Hartley, remember seeing him win a few Formula Ford races years ago.


Yea, I am finally happy to tell people that I support Webber, I always have, and he finally looks like he may be able to rack up a decent amount of podium finishes and even some wins this year!

He loves Monaco, and he loves the rain, and it often rains at Monaco, so we can only hope that he qualifies well, and can put in enough effort to keep him up around the top.

I think the big problem that he has had in the past is car reliability, I can't really remember the stats at all, but last year by this stage of the year he had already pulled out of at least one or two races due to something being wrong with his car. Then when ever he did start doing well (Fuji or China last year or the year before), someone comes along and crashes into the back of him.

But this year Mark Weather seems to be a pro driver.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Goose_111 on May 23, 2009, 05:48:06 pm
Quote from: Spork;939292
Yea, I am finally happy to tell people that I support Webber, I always have, and he finally looks like he may be able to rack up a decent amount of podium finishes and even some wins this year!

He loves Monaco, and he loves the rain, and it often rains at Monaco, so we can only hope that he qualifies well, and can put in enough effort to keep him up around the top.

I think the big problem that he has had in the past is car reliability, I can't really remember the stats at all, but last year by this stage of the year he had already pulled out of at least one or two races due to something being wrong with his car. Then when ever he did start doing well (Fuji or China last year or the year before), someone comes along and crashes into the back of him.

But this year Mark Weather seems to be a pro driver.


He went up allot on my books at the Chinese race when he was bitching about shit on cam and didn’t realise... Mad props, but yea he’s looking good... I think I’m going to miss the Qualifying... dam woman and there planned social events ha-ha
Title: Monaco.
Post by: Zarkov on May 24, 2009, 08:43:12 am
Monaco.

Teamwork is everything

FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 2009


Pos    No    Driver    Team    Q1   Q2   Q3    Laps

1    22    Jenson Button    Brawn-Mercedes    1:15.210   1:15.016   1:14.902    25
2    4    Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    1:15.746   1:14.514   1:14.927    31
3    23    Rubens Barrichello    Brawn-Mercedes    1:15.425   1:14.829   1:15.077    26
4    15    Sebastian Vettel    RBR-Renault    1:15.915   1:14.879   1:15.271    27
5    3    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    1:15.340   1:15.001   1:15.437    28
6    16    Nico Rosberg    Williams-Toyota    1:15.094   1:14.846   1:15.455    23
7    2    Heikki Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    1:15.495   1:14.809   1:15.516    24
8    14    Mark Webber    RBR-Renault    1:15.260   1:14.825   1:15.653    20
9    7    Fernando Alonso    Renault    1:15.898   1:15.200   1:16.009    24
10    17    Kazuki Nakajima    Williams-Toyota    1:15.930   1:15.579   1:17.344    28
11    12    Sebastien Buemi    STR-Ferrari    1:15.834   1:15.833      17
12    8    Nelsinho Piquet    Renault    1:16.013   1:15.837      22
13    21    Giancarlo Fisichella    Force India-Mercedes    1:16.063   1:16.146      18
14    11    Sebastien Bourdais    STR-Ferrari    1:16.120   1:16.281      19
15    20    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Mercedes    1:16.248   1:16.545      19
16    1    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    1:16.264         4
17    6    Nick Heidfeld    BMW Sauber    1:16.264         11
18    5    Robert Kubica    BMW Sauber    1:16.405         12
19    9    Jarno Trulli    Toyota    1:16.548         11
20    10    Timo Glock    Toyota    1:16.788
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Goose_111 on May 24, 2009, 11:37:08 am
Quote from: Zarkov;939442
Monaco.

Teamwork is everything

FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 2009


Pos    No    Driver    Team    Q1   Q2   Q3    Laps

1    22    Jenson Button    Brawn-Mercedes    1:15.210   1:15.016   1:14.902    25
2    4    Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    1:15.746   1:14.514   1:14.927    31
3    23    Rubens Barrichello    Brawn-Mercedes    1:15.425   1:14.829   1:15.077    26
4    15    Sebastian Vettel    RBR-Renault    1:15.915   1:14.879   1:15.271    27
5    3    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    1:15.340   1:15.001   1:15.437    28
6    16    Nico Rosberg    Williams-Toyota    1:15.094   1:14.846   1:15.455    23
7    2    Heikki Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    1:15.495   1:14.809   1:15.516    24
8    14    Mark Webber    RBR-Renault    1:15.260   1:14.825   1:15.653    20
9    7    Fernando Alonso    Renault    1:15.898   1:15.200   1:16.009    24
10    17    Kazuki Nakajima    Williams-Toyota    1:15.930   1:15.579   1:17.344    28
11    12    Sebastien Buemi    STR-Ferrari    1:15.834   1:15.833      17
12    8    Nelsinho Piquet    Renault    1:16.013   1:15.837      22
13    21    Giancarlo Fisichella    Force India-Mercedes    1:16.063   1:16.146      18
14    11    Sebastien Bourdais    STR-Ferrari    1:16.120   1:16.281      19
15    20    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Mercedes    1:16.248   1:16.545      19
16    1    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    1:16.264         4
17    6    Nick Heidfeld    BMW Sauber    1:16.264         11
18    5    Robert Kubica    BMW Sauber    1:16.405         12
19    9    Jarno Trulli    Toyota    1:16.548         11
20    10    Timo Glock    Toyota    1:16.788




any fans of Kimi Räikkönen? i was watching some clips of him you you tube and he's a hard case man, im stoked that button got on top, hopefully brawn dont mess with  Barrichello  this time tho
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on May 24, 2009, 10:03:25 pm
On a more general note:

Indy 500 in the morning.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Goose_111 on May 25, 2009, 10:21:01 am
Quote from: Zarkov;939714
On a more general note:

Indy 500 in the morning.


you watch indy? ew haha
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Temp on May 25, 2009, 12:08:56 pm
Indy was a lot more exciting than Monaco. Good ole Danica finally starting to get the respect she wants. Castroneves was pretty emotional, but he's had a tough year so I can forgive him.

On a side note Roger Federer, you should not cry when you lose, and only maybe just maybe but hardly ever should you cry when you win.
Title: Brawn GP
Post by: TofuEater on May 26, 2009, 08:17:07 am
Their instant domination of F1 is an interesting turn. Ross Brawn has been behind so many sucessful teams and drivers in the past - i'm sure a lot of people are expecting their success to be a bit of a flash in the pan, but i'm picking that they are about to exhibit a period of dominance. I believe they will win drivers and constructors championships for the next 3-5 years.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on May 26, 2009, 12:19:00 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;940227
Their instant domination of F1 is an interesting turn. Ross Brawn has been behind so many sucessful teams and drivers in the past - i'm sure a lot of people are expecting their success to be a bit of a flash in the pan, but i'm picking that they are about to exhibit a period of dominance. I believe they will win drivers and constructors championships for the next 3-5 years.


agreed. its definately interesting. hopefully Ruebens can score himself a championship, now that he isnt overshadowed as much. And if they remain consistent, they could well become the team the newer drivers can use to get their leg up
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on May 26, 2009, 04:40:25 pm
Barricello's the perenial bridesmaid for good reason.

He's not as good as he thinks he is.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on June 07, 2009, 07:33:51 am
2009 FORMULA 1 ING TURKISH GRAND PRIX



Pos    No    Driver    Team    Q1   Q2   Q3    Laps

1    15    Sebastian Vettel    RBR-Renault    1:27.330   1:27.016   1:28.316    17
2    22    Jenson Button    Brawn-Mercedes    1:27.355   1:27.230   1:28.421    22
3    23    Rubens Barrichello    Brawn-Mercedes    1:27.371   1:27.418   1:28.579    19
4    14    Mark Webber    RBR-Renault    1:27.466   1:27.416   1:28.613    20
5    9    Jarno Trulli    Toyota    1:27.529   1:27.195   1:28.666    24
6    4    Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    1:27.556   1:27.387   1:28.815    24
7    3    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    1:27.508   1:27.349   1:28.858    23
8    7    Fernando Alonso    Renault    1:27.988   1:27.473   1:29.075    20
9    16    Nico Rosberg    Williams-Toyota    1:27.517   1:27.418   1:29.191    27
10    5    Robert Kubica    BMW Sauber    1:27.788   1:27.455   1:29.357    20
11    6    Nick Heidfeld    BMW Sauber    1:27.795   1:27.521      16
12    17    Kazuki Nakajima    Williams-Toyota    1:27.691   1:27.629      20
13    10    Timo Glock    Toyota    1:28.160   1:27.795      18
14    2    Heikki Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    1:28.199   1:28.207      18
15    20    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Mercedes    1:28.278   1:28.391      18
16    1    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    1:28.318         9
17    8    Nelsinho Piquet    Renault    1:28.582         8
18    12    Sebastien Buemi    STR-Ferrari    1:28.708         12
19    21    Giancarlo Fisichella    Force India-Mercedes    1:28.717         11
20    11    Sebastien Bourdais    STR-Ferrari    1:28.918
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on June 07, 2009, 10:56:50 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;940395
Barricello's the perenial bridesmaid for good reason.

He's not as good as he thinks he is.


Confirmed by the fact that at least for Turkey Barricellos car was lighter than Button's, and he still finished below him.

Vettel FTMFWMF!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on June 21, 2009, 09:17:40 am
No mention of any political trouble on THIS site.


2009 FORMULA 1 SANTANDER BRITISH GRAND PRIX

Pos    No    Driver    Team    Q1   Q2   Q3    Laps

1    15    Sebastian Vettel    RBR-Renault    1:18.685   1:18.119   1:19.509    21
2    23    Rubens Barrichello    Brawn-Mercedes    1:19.325   1:18.335   1:19.856    23
3    14    Mark Webber    RBR-Renault    1:18.674   1:18.209   1:19.868    18
4    9    Jarno Trulli    Toyota    1:18.886   1:18.240   1:20.091    21
5    17    Kazuki Nakajima    Williams-Toyota    1:18.530   1:18.575   1:20.216    27
6    22    Jenson Button    Brawn-Mercedes    1:18.957   1:18.663   1:20.289    25
7    16    Nico Rosberg    Williams-Toyota    1:19.228   1:18.591   1:20.361    21
8    10    Timo Glock    Toyota    1:19.198   1:18.791   1:20.490    25
9    4    Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    1:19.010   1:18.566   1:20.715    24
10    7    Fernando Alonso    Renault    1:19.167   1:18.761   1:20.741    22
11    3    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    1:19.148   1:18.927      19
12    5    Robert Kubica    BMW Sauber    1:19.730   1:19.308      21
13    2    Heikki Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    1:19.732   1:19.353      19
14    8    Nelsinho Piquet    Renault    1:19.555   1:19.392      18
15    6    Nick Heidfeld    BMW Sauber    1:19.559   1:19.448      19
16    21    Giancarlo Fisichella    Force India-Mercedes    1:19.802         11
17    11    Sebastien Bourdais    STR-Ferrari    1:19.898         10
18    20    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Mercedes    1:19.909         10
19    1    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    1:19.917         7
20    12    Sebastien Buemi    STR-Ferrari    1:20.236
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on July 05, 2009, 10:52:45 am
Ecclestone tries to out-nazi Mosely...

Motorsport: Hitler got things done, says Ecclestone

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10582675

LONDON - Formula One commercial rights holder, Bernie Ecclestone, stoked up controversy by praising Adolf Hitler for being a man who "was able to get things done".

In an interview with The Times newspaper yesterday, Ecclestone praised strong leadership and said that he preferred totalitarian regimes to democracies.

Ecclestone said: "In a lot of ways, terrible to say this I suppose, but apart from the fact that Hitler got taken away and persuaded to do things that I have no idea whether he wanted to do or not, he was in the way that he could command a lot of people, able to get things done.

"In the end he got lost, so he wasn't a very good dictator because either he had all these things and knew what was going on and insisted, or he just went along with it ... so either way he wasn't a dictator."

Saying he liked "strong leaders" like Margaret Thatcher, Ecclestone suggested that FIA president Max Mosley would make a good Prime Minister.

"I don't think his background would be a problem," said Ecclestone of Mosley, the son of Sir Oswald Mosley, leader of the British Union of Fascists.

He added: "I prefer strong leaders. Margaret Thatcher made decisions on the run and got the job done. She was the one who built this country up slowly. We've let it go down again. All these guys, Gordon (Brown) and Tony (Blair) are trying to please everybody all the time ... Max would do a super job, he's a good leader."

"Politicians are too worried about elections. We did a terrible thing when we supported the idea of getting rid of Saddam Hussein, he was the only one who could control the country. It was the same (with the Taleban.)," added Ecclestone, who in 1997 donated 1million pounds to the Labour Government

A spokesman for the board of Deputies of British Jews said: "Mr Ecclestone's comments regarding Hitler, female, black and Jewish racing drivers are quite bizarre. He says 'Politics are not for me' and we are inclined to agree."

Ecclestone is no stranger to controversial remarks. He once said women should dress in white "like all other domestic appliances."

In The Times interview, Ecclestone said that had been a joke, adding "I would love to have a good lady race driver and preferably black and Jewish too, but they might take maternity leave."

- AFP, AP
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on July 05, 2009, 12:14:22 pm
He's showing his age.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on July 12, 2009, 06:50:58 pm
Webber starts on pole for the German GP, followed by Barricello

German GP, Nurburgring 12/7/09 Qualifying

1     14     Mark Webber     RBR-Renault     1:31.257    1:38.038    1:32.230     22
2    23    Rubens Barrichello    Brawn-Mercedes    1:31.482   1:34.455   1:32.357    22
3    22    Jenson Button    Brawn-Mercedes    1:31.568   1:39.032   1:32.473    23
4    15    Sebastian Vettel    RBR-Renault    1:31.430   1:39.504   1:32.480    20
5    1    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    1:31.473   1:39.149   1:32.616    19
6    2    Heikki Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    1:31.881   1:40.826   1:33.859    21
7    20    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Mercedes    1:32.015   1:36.740   1:34.316    20
8    3    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    1:31.600   1:41.708   1:34.574    22
9    4    Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    1:31.869   1:41.730   1:34.710    23
10    8    Nelsinho Piquet    Renault    1:32.128   1:35.737   1:34.803    24
11    6    Nick Heidfeld    BMW Sauber    1:31.771   1:42.310      14
12    7    Fernando Alonso    Renault    1:31.302   1:42.318      15
13    17    Kazuki Nakajima    Williams-Toyota    1:31.884   1:42.500      17
14    9    Jarno Trulli    Toyota    1:31.760   1:42.771      17
15    16    Nico Rosberg    Williams-Toyota    1:31.598   1:42.859      14
16    5    Robert Kubica    BMW Sauber    1:32.190         10
17    12    Sebastien Buemi    STR-Ferrari    1:32.251         11
18    21    Giancarlo Fisichella    Force India-Mercedes    1:32.402         11
19    10    Timo Glock    Toyota    1:32.423         11
20    11    Sebastien Bourdais    STR-Ferrari    1:33.559         11
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: AntzBongo on July 12, 2009, 06:55:21 pm
5 hours to go

and whats up with them delaying the qualifying till 3:30am last night?!?!? bloody french bike what have you.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on July 12, 2009, 09:10:43 pm
Quote from: JontyB;958784

5    1    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    1:31.473   1:39.149   1:32.616    19
6    2    Heikki Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    1:31.881   1:40.826   1:33.859    21

Finally - WE'RE BACK BABY! :rnr:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on July 12, 2009, 09:14:36 pm
Hmm, it is going to be extremely tough, but depending on his pit strategy I believe Webber can take this one.

EDIT: Looks like it is going to be a wet race which works even more in Webbsy's favour.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on July 13, 2009, 01:44:12 am
Quote from: Spork;958815
Hmm, it is going to be extremely tough, but depending on his pit strategy I believe Webber can take this one.

EDIT: Looks like it is going to be a wet race which works even more in Webbsy's favour.


a wet race is perfect for webber. he knows exactly how to race in these conditions, and can set some very quick times.

he just needs to watch out behind him, some very experienced drivers are not that far behind
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on July 13, 2009, 05:52:42 pm
Quote from: JontyB;958891
a wet race is perfect for webber. he knows exactly how to race in these conditions, and can set some very quick times.

he just needs to watch out behind him, some very experienced drivers are not that far behind

I have only seen the last 18 laps so far, so have no idea what went on at the start of the race, as far as Webber's drive through for shunting Barrichello (and Hamilton??) around a bit, but considering he finished first by quite a distance, something like 10-15 seconds over Vettel?? I think he must have had a superb drive, and the emotion that he let out over the team radio showed so much to the person that he is.


Language warning.
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Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on July 13, 2009, 06:17:16 pm
did he say f**king beauty? i think he did
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on July 13, 2009, 06:50:42 pm
Quote from: JontyB;959175
did he say fucking beauty? i think he did

That was why I had my language warning above it :P

Yea, he said Fu (then he took about a 5 minute break) ckin Beauty!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on July 13, 2009, 06:52:23 pm
lol didnt see that. just thought ooo video. edited lang
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on July 27, 2009, 07:06:21 am
We're back, baby! :rnr:

Quote from: Lewis Hamilton
but something I want to say is that yesterday was, I think, and maybe I can speak for all of us drivers, quite a sad day to see Felipe not with us here today. Hopefully I speak on behalf of all of us when I say we miss him and wish him well and wish him a speedy recovery

I hope he recovers soon and is back racing.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on August 30, 2009, 08:39:42 am
And now for something completely different.


2009 FORMULA 1 ING BELGIAN GRAND PRIX
Pos    No    Driver    Team    Q1   Q2   Q3    Laps



1    21    Giancarlo Fisichella    Force India-Mercedes    1:45.102   1:44.667   1:46.308    23
2    9    Jarno Trulli    Toyota    1:45.140   1:44.503   1:46.395    24
3    6    Nick Heidfeld    BMW Sauber    1:45.566   1:44.709   1:46.500    18
4    23    Rubens Barrichello    Brawn-Mercedes    1:45.237   1:44.834   1:46.513    23
5    5    Robert Kubica    BMW Sauber    1:45.655   1:44.557   1:46.586    22
6    4    Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    1:45.579   1:44.953   1:46.633    21
7    10    Timo Glock    Toyota    1:45.450   1:44.877   1:46.677    21
8    15    Sebastian Vettel    RBR-Renault    1:45.372   1:44.592   1:46.761    20
9    14    Mark Webber    RBR-Renault    1:45.350   1:44.924   1:46.788    22
10    16    Nico Rosberg    Williams-Toyota    1:45.486   1:45.047   1:47.362    20
11    20    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Mercedes    1:45.239   1:45.119      18
12    1    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    1:45.767   1:45.122      16
13    7    Fernando Alonso    Renault    1:45.707   1:45.136      16
14    22    Jenson Button    Brawn-Mercedes    1:45.761   1:45.251      18
15    2    Heikki Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    1:45.705   1:45.259      19
16    12    Sebastien Buemi    STR-Ferrari    1:45.951         7
17    11    Jaime Alguersuari    STR-Ferrari    1:46.032         10
18    17    Kazuki Nakajima    Williams-Toyota    1:46.307         10
19    8    Romain Grosjean    Renault    1:46.359         11
20    3    Luca Badoer    Ferrari    1:46.957         11
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on August 30, 2009, 02:16:35 pm
Awesome, keen to watch this race, was gonna stay up. But just checked telstra and sky tv guides... doesnt appear the race is on. Only the highlights at 2am... Waste of time.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on August 30, 2009, 03:27:04 pm
Its on sky sport 3 at midnight live.

Should be an awesome race with the kerrs? cars actually having a decent advantage. Ironically Luca Badoer was the slowest overall laptime yet the fastest on the speed trap, nice straight line speed just a pity he can't brake or get on the juice early enough.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on August 30, 2009, 05:37:35 pm
Quote from: pyro;978523
Its on sky sport 3 at midnight live.

Should be an awesome race with the kerrs?

KERS - Kinetic Energy Recovery System

Spa is probably my favourite circuit outside Monte Carlo. Because of the propensity for it to rain at the far end of the track it takes great tactical nous to win there - both from the team and the driver.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on September 04, 2009, 05:52:28 pm
As of today Ferrari announced Fisichella will be driving for them in the upcoming Monza race and for the rest of the season, he will also be the official reserve driver for the 2010 season. Unsure at this stage if that means next season he will be waiting in the wings like Badoer did or he will be with another team, possibly Force india if they continue next year, and race the entire season and only get the call up if needed.

Great news anyway to have an Italian in a Ferrari driving at monza, last Italian to win at monza I think was back in 66, so it would be awesome if Ferrari and Fisichella could step up and take a win.

So far this season has been great and it just seems to get better every race, can't wait for the race next weekend.

p.s. Spa is a magnificent track also one of my favorites :D
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on September 13, 2009, 07:22:59 am
FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO SANTANDER D'ITALIA 2009


Pos    No    Driver    Team    Q1   Q2   Q3    Laps

1    1    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    1:23.375   1:22.973   1:24.066    23
2    20    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Mercedes    1:23.576   1:23.070   1:24.261    24
3    4    Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    1:23.349   1:23.426   1:24.523    28
4    2    Heikki Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    1:23.515   1:23.528   1:24.845    27
5    23    Rubens Barrichello    Brawn-Mercedes    1:23.483   1:22.976   1:25.015    23
6    22    Jenson Button    Brawn-Mercedes    1:23.403   1:22.955   1:25.030    26
7    21    Vitantonio Liuzzi    Force India-Mercedes    1:23.578   1:23.207   1:25.043    26
8    7    Fernando Alonso    Renault    1:23.708   1:23.497   1:25.072    25
9    15    Sebastian Vettel    RBR-Renault    1:23.558   1:23.545   1:25.180    23
10    14    Mark Webber    RBR-Renault    1:23.755   1:23.273   1:25.314    24
11    9    Jarno Trulli    Toyota    1:24.014   1:23.611      20
12    8    Romain Grosjean    Renault    1:23.975   1:23.728      22
13    5    Robert Kubica    BMW Sauber    1:24.001   1:23.866      17
14    3    Giancarlo Fisichella    Ferrari    1:23.828   1:23.901      24
15    6    Nick Heidfeld    BMW Sauber    1:23.584   1:24.275      14
16    10    Timo Glock    Toyota    1:24.036         11
17    17    Kazuki Nakajima    Williams-Toyota    1:24.074         9
18    16    Nico Rosberg    Williams-Toyota    1:24.121         12
19    12    Sebastien Buemi    STR-Ferrari    1:24.220         12
20    11    Jaime Alguersuari    STR-Ferrari    1:24.951         11
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on September 13, 2009, 02:57:22 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;983687
FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO SANTANDER D'ITALIA 2009


Pos    No    Driver    Team    Q1   Q2   Q3    Laps

1    1    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    1:23.375   1:22.973   1:24.066

Rub their noses in it, son. :rnr:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Obbles on September 13, 2009, 04:36:36 pm
Just bought my tickets for the Melbourne F1 in March :D
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on September 16, 2009, 12:06:49 pm
We have already heard that Qadbak, Manor, USF1 and Campos look set to join F1 next year and we ask who the f**k are they.

Well here is an old name all set to return ... and with some topnotch staff it seems!!



http://www.crash.net/f1/news/152331/1/lotus_returns_to_f1_as_fia_muses_over_a_14-team_grid.html

Can't wait for next year!
But with a 28 car grid (maybe) where the hell are all the top quality F1 worthy drivers going to come from. Or are we just going to have half a grid of "pay to race" drivers?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on September 26, 2009, 07:51:15 am
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10599565
Motorsport: Is Alonso off to Ferrari?

Considering he's fucked over the last two teams he's been involved with, i certainly hope so! :rnr:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on September 26, 2009, 08:59:26 am
Quote from: TofuEater;989989
[url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10599565[/url]
Motorsport: Is Alonso off to Ferrari?

Considering he's fucked over the last two teams he's been involved with, i certainly hope so! :rnr:


How has he fucked over the last 2 teams hes been with? 1 Stupid mistake with Mclaren in the pits is hardly fucking them over, and I don't see what hes done with Renault. They have done more to hurt themselves than anyone.

You seem to have far too much love for Hamilton.
Quote from: TofuEater;983800
Rub their noses in it, son. :rnr:


I noticed you didn't post after Hamilton made a fool of himself by pushing so hard on the last lap and taking himself out of the race. Half a lap to go no chance of getting 2nd and with what 10 secs up on the next place? Its reasons like this I have grown a disliking for Hamilton, he makes stupid and unnecessary mistakes. My opinion of him has dramatically gone down hill since his first season in F1.

Saying that I hope Alonso does move to Ferrari next season, will make for another interesting season no doubt with both Ferrari and McLaren finally looking at bringing back some pace, hopefully with the new changes for next year it wont be a repeat of the beginning of this season.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on September 26, 2009, 10:23:24 am
Quote from: pyro;989998
How has he fucked over the last 2 teams hes been with? 1 Stupid mistake with Mclaren in the pits is hardly fucking them over, and I don't see what hes done with Renault. They have done more to hurt themselves than anyone.

What cho' talking about, Willis?

He's at Mclaren and deeply involved in blowing the whistle on the team because of some perceived slight about Hamilton being favoured. This costs Mclaren ALL their points for the season, $100m in fines and they are only able to escape being banned from the sport because Ron Denis stepped aside.

He goes to Renault where he is the centrepiece in F1's biggest racing controversy, leading to the dismissal of the team principal and their head engineer. The controversy comes to light after Piquet is culled from the team (presumably because he couldn't work with Alonso's ego) and blows the whistle on what went on. Renault escapes being banned from the sport but it's yet to be seen if the loss of sponsors will prove terminal to their continued involvment.

Coincidence, i think not. Like i said, i'm more than happy if he goes to Ferarri - it's about time those prancing poofs got taken down a notch or two. :sunnies:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on September 26, 2009, 01:19:09 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;990023
What cho' talking about, Willis?

He's at Mclaren and deeply involved in blowing the whistle on the team because of some perceived slight about Hamilton being favoured. This costs Mclaren ALL their points for the season, $100m in fines and they are only able to escape being banned from the sport because Ron Denis stepped aside.

He goes to Renault where he is the centrepiece in F1's biggest racing controversy, leading to the dismissal of the team principal and their head engineer. The controversy comes to light after Piquet is culled from the team (presumably because he couldn't work with Alonso's ego) and blows the whistle on what went on. Renault escapes being banned from the sport but it's yet to be seen if the loss of sponsors will prove terminal to their continued involvment.

Coincidence, i think not. Like i said, i'm more than happy if he goes to Ferarri - it's about time those prancing poofs got taken down a notch or two. :sunnies:


So coming forth with info about McLaren blatantly cheating is a bad thing?

He was also cleared of anything to do with the Renault/Piquet incident, which I would believe 100%, some how I don't think they would be asking him or even reporting to him that they are going to get Piquet to crash so he could possibly secure victory.

The incident I was refering to in the pits was the one from qualifying, where he waited in the pit bay in the closing of the minutes of the qualifying to stall Hamilton from getting new tyres and refueling so he could go out for 1 final lap to put in a faster time. Admittedly a stupid thing to do, but he seemed to believe McLaren was favoring Hamilton and from the sidelines without knowing what was going on behind closed door's I got the same feeling.  

I really liked how Hamilton came onto the scene and he quickly grew on me, however after the first season my opinion changed. He doesn't seem to be handle pressure very well as seen when he had those unforced errors taking his title away from him(crashing going into the pits, nice), this year he seemed to somewhat resemble a kid who hasn't got his way, struggled with a slower car and couldn't perform. He comes across to me as someone with just a fake persona, looking for the media to love him. More unforced and stupid mistakes as shown in Italy on the last lap. Anyway thats only my opinion and thoughts on Hamilton, but we all have our favorite drivers right. Oh and his ditz of a missus well..........lol

As always can't wait for qualifying tonight and the race, heck sometimes qualifying is almost more exciting than the actual race.  :D
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on September 26, 2009, 03:40:15 pm
Massa would have been World Champion last year if there wasn't so much cheating.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on September 27, 2009, 08:05:05 am
Quote from: pyro;990177
So coming forth with info about McLaren blatantly cheating is a bad thing?

He was also cleared of anything to do with the Renault/Piquet incident, which I would believe 100%, some how I don't think they would be asking him or even reporting to him that they are going to get Piquet to crash so he could possibly secure victory.

Don't be naive. Of course he would have known - for the simple fact that his fuel strategy would have to have been planned specifically for such an occurence.

As for him coming forward with info, i never said it was a bad thing - what i said was that trouble has followed him to two teams and Ferarri would be naive to think that it won't follow him to a third. Try looking at both occurences as a by-product of Alonso's ego and it all makes sense.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on September 27, 2009, 10:35:43 am
Quote from: TofuEater;990672
Don't be naive. Of course he would have known - for the simple fact that his fuel strategy would have to have been planned specifically for such an occurence.

As for him coming forward with info, i never said it was a bad thing - what i said was that trouble has followed him to two teams and Ferarri would be naive to think that it won't follow him to a third. Try looking at both occurences as a by-product of Alonso's ego and it all makes sense.


Wow Seriously? You believe the whole plan of having a poor qualifying with a heavy fuel load and to have Piquet crash was known before the race had even started.......Because its not like every team runs heavy after having poor qualifying right.

Also saying that both incidents occurred almost directly because of Alonso is a bit stupid, clearly your love for Hamilton has driven your hatred for Alonso and it seems thats all you see when something goes wrong is its Alonso's fault. How can you indirectly blame the cheating of McLaren onto him?

Like I said before we all have our favorites but maybe you need to open your eyes a bit and stop being so one sided.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Donkey on September 27, 2009, 05:53:16 pm
Does anyone know a good source of high res F1 pictures?

edit; found this place http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wallpapers/
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Obbles on September 27, 2009, 06:59:26 pm
Ill take some when Im there the next year ;D
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on September 27, 2009, 07:38:55 pm
Quote from: pyro;990700
Wow Seriously? You believe the whole plan of having a poor qualifying with a heavy fuel load and to have Piquet crash was known before the race had even started.......Because its not like every team runs heavy after having poor qualifying right.

You've got a good story going, it's just lacking in one crucial area - it has a complete lack of facts.

Fact: Alonso had a light fuel load.
Fact: Alonso was the only driver to pit BEFORE Piquet's crash.

I'm not saying that the team deliberately underperformed in qualifying at all. What i am saying is that between qualifying and the race the plan was hatched. I'm also saying that only someone that had no understanding of Formula 1 whatever would believe that Alonso didn't understand what was going on when the team said to him that he would be on a two stop strategy, with a light initial fuel load and instructions to come in at lap 12.

He is asserting that he "just drives the car" (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10599811&pnum=2) but i don't believe him. And i don't believe that controversy won't follow him to Ferarri. Time will tell, of course, but i'm happy to wait.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on September 28, 2009, 04:58:38 pm
Indeed I totally lack any understanding of F1, I could go into my background but I really can't be bothered.

Look at Renaults strategies throughout this season and last, they have been the 1 team to do things drastically different to everyone else in order to gain an advantage when things haven't quite worked out for them in qualifying, weather wise etc etc.

Believe what you want it seems nothing will change your fan boy mind about Hamilton and his "rival" Alonso.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on September 28, 2009, 05:10:29 pm
Quote from: pyro;991585
Believe what you want it seems nothing will change your fan boy mind about Hamilton and his "rival" Alonso.

Dood, if you'd been paying attention (and perhaps that gives us an insight into why you can't spot the bleeding obvious) - i don't give a flying fuck about Hamilton. It's Mclaren that spins my wheels always has done, always will. The drivers are just means to an end - mkay?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on September 28, 2009, 05:21:22 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;991592
Dood, if you'd been paying attention (and perhaps that gives us an insight into why you can't spot the bleeding obvious) - i don't give a flying fuck about Hamilton. It's Mclaren that spins my wheels always has done, always will. The drivers are just means to an end - mkay?


I don't read every post in this thread, ive seen your past few and you seem to be a Hamilton fan boy, I may be wrong.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on September 28, 2009, 05:32:55 pm
Quote from: Fragin';611418
Renault will never allow Nelsinho to step out of line. They will make sure he knows his place. Sux to be him.

http://forums.gamerhub.co.nz/showpost.php?p=611418&postcount=9
Har - Fragin' nails it!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on September 28, 2009, 05:56:15 pm
Quote from: lowrex;990957
Ill take some when Im there the next year ;D


You going to Melbourne?

I will definitely see you there!

Or at least, I will be there. :P
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Obbles on September 28, 2009, 08:19:44 pm
^ Yea :bigglasse

Tickets on the start/finish line

Got the early bird tickets so get all the pro stuff

We shud totally have a meat
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on September 28, 2009, 08:31:32 pm
Well I haven't even considered even going yet, but I have been wanting to go for the past three years (since I went in 2006). So depending on the circumstances I will most likely be there.

I usually go in what is called the Senna stand the last corner, just as you get onto the pit straight, on the outside.
Title: And in the worst kept secret in the world......
Post by: TofuEater on October 01, 2009, 11:06:07 am
Alonso's off to Ferarri. Interestingly this was first rumoured on this forum in early 08. Ferarri have a made a habit of getting their drivers a couple of years before they're available - Kimi had done the deal to move in 2005, even though he didn't start driving for them until 07.

Good luck Ferarri, you're gonna need it. :sunnies:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on October 13, 2009, 08:32:28 pm
Massa has driven his F1 car again ....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10602903


Good to see him back.:thumb:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on October 14, 2009, 11:56:36 pm
Does anyone remember the race maybe last year, maybe the year before where there was torrential rain, and heaps of cars (including Hamilton) aqua planed off at the end of pit straight.

Race was red flagged, I think one or two cars were pulled/ pushed/ allowed out of the sand trap at the end of the straight. Maybe.

Cheers

EDIT: Should always google first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_red-flagged_Formula_One_races

European.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: EskemoJoe on October 15, 2009, 12:21:33 am
Shit i remember getting up super early to watch the 03 brazillian grand prix,a there was carnage. So intense
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on October 15, 2009, 12:02:28 pm
i remember that race. like 8 cars finished or something. was nuts
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on October 15, 2009, 08:43:18 pm
I remember getting up early to watch that US GP, just to be highly disappointed that most of the drivers could not compete.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on October 18, 2009, 03:39:25 pm
Barricello and Button fight for the championship.

Qualifying - Barrichello rises to the challenge in Brazil


Thunderstorms had been predicted for Interlagos on Saturday, and the forecast proved devastatingly accurate as heavy rain turned qualifying into the longest session ever held in Formula One history. It began at 1400 and ended two hours and 41 minutes later!

Along the way it left luminaries such as Brawn GP’s Jenson Button down in 14th, Red Bull’s Sebastian Vettel in 16th and McLaren’s Lewis Hamilton in 18th, as Rubens Barrichello did his title hopes a power of good by grabbing pole position for his home race.

For a while it seemed there might not even be a qualifying session, and that it might have to be postponed until Sunday morning.

The weather had relented slightly at the start of Q1, and Vettel initially set the fastest time and Ferrari’s Giancarlo Fisichella went second. But the luckless Italian half spun in Turn One and blocked the track. Out came the red flag. When things were restarted there was a moment when the track was marginally better, and that was when the quick times were set, but Vettel was not able to take advantage of that moment, and his eventual 1m 25.009s made him the first man who failed to make the cut. Starting in 16th place, his championship chances seemed all but over barring a miracle.

Neither of the McLarens made it, either. Heikki Kovalainen was 17th on 1m 25.052s, while Lewis Hamilton spun away his chances on fresh Bridgestone full wets and will line up 18th on 1m 25.192s. BMW Sauber’s Nick Heidfeld never got it together either, and was 19th on 1m 25.515s, with Fisichella last on 1m 40.703s.

The moment Q2 began there was another red flag after Vitantonio Liuzzi, following close behind Raikkonen, aquaplaned on a huge puddle on the pit straight, hit the pit wall, then clobbered the outer wall in Turn One backwards. Exit one Force India with seriously deranged suspension.

Then we went into a hurry up and wait situation. Out went Alan van der Merwe in the medical car to do a track inspection at 1530. Too wet. Out he went again at 1545. Too wet. At 1600. Same answer. No, wait. It was light outside. The horizon was visible again. A restart at 1610!

It proved to be the undoing of Button, who had earlier in the week ventured the opinion that qualifying matters less here than normal. He stayed out too long on his full wet tyres and wore them out, and admitted later that he should have switched to intermediates.

Toyota’s Kamui Kobayashi continued his impressive progress on his debut, only a long slide stopping him getting through to the top 10, but a 1m 21.960s lap, and 11th place for his first Grand Prix, was impressive. Behind him Jaime Alguersuari lapped his Toro Rosso in 1m 22.231s for 12th ahead of Romain Grosjean on 1m 22.477s for Renault and Button on 1m 22.504s.

That left Q3, which was the only session to run to its intended 10-minute schedule. This proved a gripping one, with the fastest time changing hands between Toro Rosso’s Sebastien Buemi, Barrichello, BMW Sauber’s Robert Kubica, Toyota’s Jarno Trulli, Williams’ Nico Rosberg, Barrichello again, Red Bull’s Mark Webber, Webber again, then finally Barrichello. And further down the timesheet, the order was changing lap by lap too.

In the end Barrichello’s 1m 19.576s beat Webber’s 1m 19.668s, with Adrian Sutil sprinting up to third for Force India right at the end on 1m 19.912s.

Trulli’s 1m 20.097s left him fourth, ahead of Kimi Raikkonen for Ferrari on 1m 20.168s, Buemi on 1m 20.250, Rosberg on 1m 20.326s, Kubica on 1m 20.631s and Kazuki Nakajima in the other Williams on 1m 20.674s. Fernando Alonso was 10th overall for Renault, with 1m 21.422s.

So that was a remarkable, prolonged qualifying session. The forecast is for better weather on Sunday, with the possibility of showers rather than thunderstorms. Vettel, for one, will be praying for more rain to increase the likelihood of a race of attrition. Button, 14th with his team mate on pole, will just be praying.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: kilabee on October 19, 2009, 06:59:12 am
Button and Brawn win.Driver/Constructor double. :sunnies:
Not a big fan of either but thats a hell of an effort in your "first" session.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on October 19, 2009, 04:03:20 pm
I'm thinking this makes Britain the most successful nation in terms of F1 champions. I'm sure you wouldn't get too many right answers to that one in a trivia quiz. :D
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on October 19, 2009, 06:57:45 pm
Good work Button, although I wanted Vettel to win purely to take the championship to the last race.

Kobayashi looks like he might have a bit of talent, a bit of a naughty driver but still he got some good speed out of that Toyota and good to see Buemi get some points... if only Hartly hadve got a seat at Toro Rosso then we wouldve had a local boy to cheer on.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on October 19, 2009, 07:09:56 pm
heres hoping he gets his super licence and another drive
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on October 19, 2009, 10:15:36 pm
Quote from: JontyB;1004527
heres hoping he gets his super licence and another drive


He hasnt got the money backing him tbh, unless he does something amazing in f3 or another top class it will be extremely difficult for him to get a drive when so many others around him can just throw money to the teams and get the seat.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on October 20, 2009, 06:39:35 am
Are Toro Rosso still thinking of putting Loeb in for Abu Dhabi? That would be great to watch. Put Rossi & Loeb in F1 cars for 2010, Raikonnen can go to rally for a good laugh too :D
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on October 20, 2009, 04:49:46 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;1004386
I'm thinking this makes Britain the most successful nation in terms of F1 champions.

Is Britain a nation? I thought it was the United Kingdom .....
and then the actual country is given for the F1 champion.
ie: Jackie Stewart 3 times champion - Scotland

Damon Hill 1 time champion - England
etc


In the immortal words of the great man ..... Murray Walker - "Unless I am very much mistaken ........ , and yes i am very much mistaken!!"

Tofu you are right GB (Great Britain) it is ....  and British drivers have won the F1 championship 14 times. The next closest is Brazil with 8 and Germany with 7, one man effort that last one!!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on October 20, 2009, 05:58:15 pm
----------------------------------------------------

Graham Hill

1962 and 1968 world champion

Won first title aged 33

Slighted by some as a journeyman, but won in Monte Carlo five times and added victory in the Indianapolis 500 and Le Mans 24 hours to complete a unique triple crown.

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Jim Clark

1963 and 1965 world champion

Won first title aged 27

Perhaps the greatest natural talent in the sport of all time, would surely have won more world titles if not for his untimely death in an unimportant Formula Two race in 1968.

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John Surtees

1964 world champion

Aged 30

The only man ever to become world champion on two wheels and four, Surtees was a motorbike legend before switching to F1 with Ferrari. Later ran his own F1 team.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jackie Stewart

1969, 1971 and 1973 world champion

Won first title aged 29

Greatly gifted, determined and disciplined, Stewart was a pioneering campaigner for safety in the sport. Only British F1 champion to later become a race winner as a team owner.

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James Hunt

1976 world champion

Aged 29

Charismatic wild boy made his name with the bubbly Hesketh team and became world champion with McLaren. Later a budgie breeder and popular TV commentator; sadly died young.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Nigel Mansell

1992 world champion

Aged 39

"Our Nige" was regarded by his fellow drivers as the bravest of them all. Charismatically challenged off-track but a racer's racer. To Italian fans, will always be "Il leone".

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Damon Hill

1996 world champion

Aged 36

Former bike racer and gifted test driver who made the most of his late graduation to the grid. Only son ever to emulate an F1-title-winning father, but inherited no silver spoon.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Lewis Hamilton

2008 world champion

Aged 23

Formula One's youngest-ever world champion, beating the record set by his Spanish rival Fernando Alonso. Talented go-karter with Senna-like speed, nurtured by the Mclaren machine.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on October 20, 2009, 07:20:14 pm
^good read
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on October 20, 2009, 09:07:51 pm
^^ And of course we can now add Jenson Button to that list.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on October 20, 2009, 09:17:26 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;1005325
^^ And of course we can now add Jenson Button to that list.


Proof that even you could be World Champion in a car like that.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on October 20, 2009, 10:48:15 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;1005333
Proof that even you could be World Champion in a car like that.


You can say one thing for Button .... at least he was able to take advantage of having the best car in the field , especially the first half of the season. There have been a lot of drivers in the past who haven't been good enough to do that!!

Still believe Vettels the best driver at the moment!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on October 21, 2009, 07:10:43 am
Quote from: Zarkov;1005333
Proof that even you could be World Champion in a car like that.

So what's Barrichello's excuse then? He's a better driver than Schumacher*, so i would have thought he'd piss in.

* Opinion is divided on the subject: Barrichello thinks he is, the rest of the world knows he isn't.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: kilabee on October 21, 2009, 07:31:23 am
Quote from: Zarkov;1005333
Proof that even you could be World Champion in a car like that.


I thought he did quite well to hold it together late in the session.Could have easily made a meal of it. I'm glad Brawn didn't dominate in the later stages.It would have made for a dull 2009 session.
Watch those Red bulls in 2010
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on October 21, 2009, 01:39:44 pm
Quote from: kilabee;1005492
I thought he did quite well to hold it together late in the session.Could have easily made a meal of it. I'm glad Brawn didn't dominate in the later stages.It would have made for a dull 2009 session.
Watch those Red bulls in 2010


definately glad other cars got competitive. i gave up on the sport when ferrari were uber dominant, tying up series in the middle of the season.

imma agree, red bull will be quick next year
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on October 21, 2009, 09:46:36 pm
Webbsy 2010 Champion.

I wonder when I can bet on that?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on October 21, 2009, 10:00:10 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;1005485
So what's Barrichello's excuse then? He's a better driver than Schumacher*, so i would have thought he'd piss in.

* Opinion is divided on the subject: Barrichello thinks he is, the rest of the world knows he isn't.


Button was saying how amazing it was to be world champion.

The rest of the world agrees with him..
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: EskemoJoe on November 01, 2009, 07:16:05 am
This is probably quite old but the animation is awesome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on November 01, 2009, 04:45:45 pm
Wow, very awesome animation.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Obbles on November 03, 2009, 11:02:22 am
Thats on TV alot

Just paid a 1k for my oz trip next year :bigglasse
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: EskemoJoe on November 03, 2009, 11:39:30 am
Sweet

Im going to dubai for 10 days tomorrow
Title: Toyota to quit F1
Post by: TofuEater on November 04, 2009, 04:10:46 pm
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10607262
It will be interesting to see how many other teams survive the recession.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on November 04, 2009, 05:44:25 pm
A1 has effectively crumbled on the organisers side, hopefully F1 doesnt follow suite on the Teams side
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on November 04, 2009, 05:49:58 pm
Just watched the Abu Dhabi race.

What a track! If every track was as new and clean (looking) as that one is, then I feel F1 would be an even more popular sport.

I liked how in the sixth or seventh lap, Vettel's team radio came up, and said 'watch out, the cars infront of you are fighting for position'.

You often see the first few drivers plow through the back markers, and when they do, there is sometimes a change of positions, simply because of where on the track the front markers overtook, which I think is unfair.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on November 04, 2009, 05:50:37 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;1013865
[url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10607262[/url]
It will be interesting to see how many other teams survive the recession.


Damn that sucks... I hope Kobayashi gets a good car next year, he sure makes F1 interesting to watch :D

So no more japanese f1, we need a godzilla F1 car... cmon Nissan.

Whats the story with A1? All I know is that the Australian race was cancelled and they are sueing the organisers. Are the other races still happening?

EDIT: so the leaders should slow down to let the back markers race? They are the ones in the way in the first place by not being on the lead lap. I know what you mean it can be rude getting knocked off the track but the leaders have right of way.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on November 04, 2009, 06:08:56 pm
No, not saying the leaders should not overtake, I just don't like that it can mess up their race, as it's not likely that the front runners willbe dropped, but especially this year we have seen lots of changes in the drivers lineup.

I know there is nothing that can be done about it.

EDIT: Nice to see Button and Webber talking about the last lap just before they went on the podium, I quite liked that.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on November 06, 2009, 03:53:23 pm
Honda
Toyota
BMW
Renault?

Bridgestone

The poisonous gnome's got his work cut out for him.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on November 06, 2009, 04:01:09 pm
im still suprised at toyota expecting to be able to sell the team. you'd have to be mad and super-rich to get into it. although buying a reasonably competitive team could pay off...
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on November 06, 2009, 04:33:22 pm
Quote from: JontyB;1015076
im still suprised at toyota expecting to be able to sell the team. you'd have to be mad and super-rich to get into it. although buying a reasonably competitive team could pay off...


It certainly worked for Ross Brawn.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on November 06, 2009, 04:50:52 pm
that it did. next season should be interesting
Title: Breaking news..!!!
Post by: Xt1ncT on November 17, 2009, 10:00:10 am
Brawn GP has been bought by Mercedes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8362295.stm

Interesting development - McLaren have done well to secure their engines for the next 6 years as well. At hwich time I expect them to use their own engines which will be developed I would assume over the next 6 years.

Probably also opens the door even wider for JB to join McLaren.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on November 20, 2009, 07:16:35 pm
Quote from: Xt1ncT;1020729
Probably also opens the door even wider for JB to join McLaren.


and has done.

JB to join Hamilton at McLaren

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8366631.stm
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on November 20, 2009, 08:16:20 pm
Quote from: JontyB;1022619
and has done.

JB to join Hamilton at McLaren

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8366631.stm[/url]


He won't look so flash next season.

Button's a pommy Barrichello.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on November 20, 2009, 08:25:46 pm
im just hoping there wont be another case of team favourite.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on December 07, 2009, 11:09:00 pm
Raikkonnen's signed to race WRC next season, but he won't be coming to New Zealand unfortunately. :(
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on December 08, 2009, 01:23:54 am
this is quite a good read:

http://sundayafternoonclub.blogs.topgear.com/2009/12/04/silliest-season/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialnetwork&utm_campaign=articlemidday
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on December 08, 2009, 06:33:29 am
Quote from: JontyB;1022699
im just hoping there wont be another case of team favourite.


Haha.
Title: Senna voted the "greatest driver of all time"
Post by: TofuEater on December 11, 2009, 01:25:05 pm
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10614815

1. Senna
2. Schumacher
3. Fangio

Let the debate begin.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on December 11, 2009, 04:53:46 pm
Senna could qualify a car better than anyone.

His record at bring the car home wasn't so flash.

Greatest at what, might be more relevent.
Title: Schumacher confirmed to return 2010
Post by: Quasikomodo on December 18, 2009, 11:36:05 am
Schumacher will join Mercedes (ex Brawn) next year as a driver! Paired with Nico Rosberg, but probably earning a lot more than him!

Reported here:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/246385/schumacher_returns_to_f1.html?CMP=NLC-Newsletters&uid=1106e795bd0a704d3802ca6726618acc

Perhaps he didn't like coming second to Senna!?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on December 18, 2009, 11:51:56 am
"fuck ross, you built another decent car. I wanna go"

"sure, have a season"
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Obbles on December 18, 2009, 09:04:03 pm
My tickets arrived last week :bigglasse
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Baffled on December 19, 2009, 03:00:26 pm
Quote from: Rex;1039035
My tickets arrived last week :bigglasse


For Aussie? What did they cost?

Next season is looking like it will be a good one. Cant wait, would love to go watch a race live...
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Obbles on December 20, 2009, 07:50:49 pm
Yea $550 for a 4 day pass

Right on the start finish line

Cant wait _b
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on January 26, 2010, 09:05:26 pm
Quote from: Rex;1039788
Yea $550 for a 4 day pass

Right on the start finish line

Cant wait _b


I'm going too with a couple of mates, 4 day pass for the Senna stand, which is on the outside at the very start of the pit straight, bout 100 metres from the start/ finish line.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on January 26, 2010, 09:37:34 pm
Quote from: Spork;1056964
I'm going too with a couple of mates, 4 day pass for the Senna stand, which is on the outside at the very start of the pit straight, bout 100 metres from the start/ finish line.


Say hi to Shuey for me.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on January 26, 2010, 09:43:26 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;1056980
Say hi to Shuey for me.


Will do.

I'll get an Autograph for you, although I think Rex is probably the better option to get something like that, considering he lives in NZ. :P
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on January 26, 2010, 09:58:25 pm
The Germans are swarming across the Rhine..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXsKWi9FIjY&feature=related


Needed a Ramstein soundtrack.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on January 26, 2010, 10:04:04 pm
I do like that blue/ green.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zenith on January 26, 2010, 11:31:28 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;1057001
The Germans.


True - Was a cheep British team last year, now its a flashy german team.

TBH I probably won't get into F1 this year, thou it is looking like a better comp than the last couple of years.
Since sky got it from TV one I lost interest.  Still when TV1 had it if a race was at prime time (malasia GP iirc) they would delay it to midnight anyway.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on January 26, 2010, 11:46:31 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;1057001
Ze Germans, Ja.

there, that looks better :)

Quote from: Zenith;1057064
Since sky got it from TV one I lost interest.

same here. i still follow the results and news, just haven't watched a race in a long time. i used to love staying up till 3am monday mornings when i was still at school
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Obbles on January 27, 2010, 10:24:28 am
Quote from: Spork;1056964
I'm going too with a couple of mates, 4 day pass for the Senna stand, which is on the outside at the very start of the pit straight, bout 100 metres from the start/ finish line.


Ima hunt you out :3
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on January 27, 2010, 04:01:32 pm
I'll be sticking away from the start finish line! ;-) how much did it cost you for those tickets?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Obbles on January 27, 2010, 04:10:42 pm
Ummm $550ish nzd

I think, got them when they first came out so it was awhile ago
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on January 27, 2010, 05:15:39 pm
Ah, mine cost about 450 aud, but I prefer to be on a corner, although last time I went, we didn't spend much time in the stand, most of the race we spent in general. It's boring staying in the one spot.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Obbles on January 27, 2010, 08:44:33 pm
Fangio stand

Section M, block 2
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on January 27, 2010, 08:49:50 pm
Quote from: Rex;1057621
Fangio stand

Section M, block 2


You've gone up in my estimation.

Mind you, you're starting from a fairly low base.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on January 27, 2010, 10:05:57 pm
I haven't even booked my tickets yet, waiting for my mate to get some money together, but I remember last time, it didn't sell out until the week before, and even then, there is about 4 stands on this corner, so I could go in any of them.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on February 08, 2010, 01:24:20 pm
New rules for F1 2010:

New points system - winner gets 25 points, 2nd gets 20, 3rd 15, and the next seven places get 10, 8, 6, 5, 3, 2 and 1 point respectively. So top 10 get points. More points for winner is supposed to give drivers more desire to win rather than drive for points.

No refueling. means cars will have to start with 235 - 250 litres of fuel rather than the 90 - 120 litre tanks used previously. this will change tyre wear and handling  characteristics of course. It also means the cars may be up to 15cm longer wheelbase to accomodate the larger tanks.

Minimum weight Increased by 15kg to 620kg.

Front tyre width Decreased from 270mm t0 245mm, supposedly to give a better handling balance. Bridgestone is also supplying harder tyre compounds so the tyres will withstand the extra fuel weight better.

No wheel rim fairings. Will create less turbulence behind cars apparently, aid in overtaking manoeuvres!? Also less to go wrong at pitstops!

Testing One days testing allowed as long as it is a test driver who hasn't raced F1 in the past two years. Only allowed to use an approved test circuit that is not on the F1 calender in the current season.

Looks like more tinkering to me. At least they have dropped that ridiculous 'medal' idea with the championship winner being the one who wins the most golds!!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on February 08, 2010, 01:27:49 pm
the points sure will make it interesting, wait and see time for judgement on the other changes
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on February 09, 2010, 11:50:12 pm
Quote from: Quasikomodo;1065389
Testing One days testing allowed as long as it is a test driver who hasn't raced F1 in the past two years. Only allowed to use an approved test circuit that is not on the F1 calender in the current season.

One days testing per.. Month? Day? Season?

So any of these new drivers who haven't 'Raced' in F1 before, could test?

EDIT: I booked my tickets for the Melbourne GP last week or the week before, Prost stand, right on corner 16.

Can't wait now. :D
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on February 11, 2010, 11:10:16 am
Quote from: Spork;1066543
One days testing per.. Month? Day? Season?

So any of these new drivers who haven't 'Raced' in F1 before, could test?


Apparently its one day during the race season ie from the first race weekend to after the last race weekend.
Teams can also conduct six one day straight line only aero tests.
Teams can also substitute aero test days for 24 hours of full scale wind tunnel testing, in previous years this was limited to 60% scale models.
Title: Great article about Chris Amon
Post by: TofuEater on February 12, 2010, 04:40:47 pm
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10625705

Contains an youtube video about Fangio's drive at the Nurburgring in 1957.
Title: Virgins new Car
Post by: Speakman on February 15, 2010, 02:45:37 am
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsport/3291179/Virgins-new-F1-racer-designed-like-no-other


designed using Computational Fluid Dynamics, rather than wind tunnels and constant refinement. Far cheaper, but how will it last on track? guess we shall she when it runs its first test laps in the next week.

im liking the colour scheme
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on February 15, 2010, 02:50:41 am
Is the front of it higher than the F1 cars of last year?

Although I didn't watch much F1 last year so I guess I can't really remember what they looked like.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on February 15, 2010, 12:49:19 pm
it looks it to me as well
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Obbles on February 15, 2010, 01:00:08 pm
I think its the paint job that causes that efect

or maybe it is higher

Ill tell you in just over a months time :3
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Nostargate on February 15, 2010, 01:26:50 pm
pretty much all will look like that this year...indian f1 car for comparison

(http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll253/Nostargate/virginf1car.jpg)
(http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll253/Nostargate/punjabf1car.jpg)
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on February 15, 2010, 03:28:33 pm
interesting, that indian car is a fair bit longer (assuming its to scale). i spose thats the benifit of designing from scratch, Virgin can have a smaller car while incorporating the larger tanks, whereas the India car will have existing specs that they have just added to or developed, lengthening the car to accomodate the tanks.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Obbles on March 06, 2010, 10:50:49 pm
Its getting so close I can smell it
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on March 12, 2010, 07:59:19 pm
Cause and effect - the impact of 2010’s new rules
Sebastian Vettel (GER) Red Bull Racing RB6 Formula One Testing, Day Two, Barcelona, Spain, Friday 26 February 2010. Vitantonio Liuzzi (ITA) Force India F1 VJM03, makes a practice pit stop. Formula One Testing, Day One, Barcelona, Spain, Thursday 25 February 2010. Toro Rosso front wing detail. Formula One Testing, Day Three, Barcelona, Spain, Saturday 27 February 2010. Ferrari wheel. Formula One Testing, Day One, Barcelona, Spain, Thursday 25 February 2010. Jaime Alguersuari (ESP), Scuderia Toro Rosso. Formula One Testing, Day Three, Jerez, Spain, Friday 19 February 2010.

Formula One racing is a fast-moving sport and every season sees the introduction of regulation updates aimed at achieving a range of different objectives. Although less far-reaching than the new rules brought into force for the 2009 season, this year’s revisions are just as interesting.

From the ban on refuelling to the use of narrower front tyres, and from the removal of KERS to the reorganised points system, there’s a lot to catch up on before the Bahrain Grand Prix gets underway next month. In a bid to analyse their impact, we extract the primary changes and detail their possible repercussions…

CHANGE - Refuelling ban in races
Sporting regulations, article 29.1
29.1 a) Refuelling is only permitted in the team's designated garage area.
b) No car may be refuelled after it has left the pit lane for the first time whilst the pit exit is open for the race.
c) Fuel may not be added to nor removed from a car during a race.
IMPACT: By far the biggest change this year is the ban on refuelling during races for the first time since 1993. As the cars feature significantly larger fuel tanks, up from around 80 litres to something nearer 250, packaging the tanks efficiently has become a top priority for the teams, with wider rear bodywork and longer wheelbases much in evidence during pre-season testing. There will still be pit stops, as drivers need to use both tyre compounds during dry races, but they will be significantly quicker, with stops possibly lasting less than four seconds. The ban on refuelling will also impact race strategy. Cars will be much heavier and slower at the start of Grands Prix, which will influence tyre wear, and the lifespan of its drive train and brakes. Those teams running with more economical engines will benefit. To put it simply, the less fuel needed at the start - the faster the car. The drivers, meanwhile, will have to handle the change in weight distribution.

CHANGE - revised points scale
Sporting regulations, article 6.4
6.4 Points for both titles will be awarded at each Event according to the following scale :
1st : 25 points
2nd : 18 points
3rd : 15 points
4th : 12 points
5th : 10 points
6th : 8 points
7th : 6 points
8th : 4 points
9th : 2 points
10th : 1 point
IMPACT: With the grid expanding to 12 teams in 2010, the FIA have introduced a new points structure. In place of the previous system, which saw the top eight drivers scoring 10, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 and one point respectively, the top ten finishers will score points. With more points on offer, the bigger field will be rewarded. Another hope is that the bigger difference between the points on offer for the winner and for second place will mean more reason for drivers to push for victory.

CHANGE - Minimum weight increased to 620 kg
Technical regulations, article 4.1/2
4.1 minimum weight: The weight of the car must not be less than 620 kg at all times during the Event.
4.2 Ballast: Ballast can be used provided it is secured in such a way that tools are required for its removal. It must be possible to fix seals if deemed necessary by the FIA technical delegate.
IMPACT: Raising the minimum weight of the car by 15 kg was initially prompted by the need to offset the disadvantage faced by taller (and therefore heavier) drivers in cars equipped with KERS. Although the teams have agreed they will no longer use KERS in 2010, the minimum weight is still increased. This means teams have greater freedom to play around with weight distribution.

CHANGE - Narrower front tyres
Technical regulations, article 12.4, wheel dimensions:
12.4.1 Complete wheel width must lie between 305 mm and 355 mm when fitted to the front of the car and between 365 mm and 380 mm when fitted to the rear.
12.4.2 Complete wheel diameter must not exceed 660 mm when fitted with dry-weather tyres or 670 mm when fitted with wet weather tyres.
IMPACT: When slicks returned in 2009, tyre size remained unchanged, which meant that in terms of contact area the fronts gained proportionally more grip than the rears. For 2010, this has been remedied and the front tyre width has been reduced from 270 mm to 245 mm. The smaller tyres will enable the cars to be better balanced from front to rear.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on March 12, 2010, 08:00:04 pm
CHANGE - no wheel fairings
Technical regulations, article 12.8, wheel assembly
12.8 The only parts which may be physically attached to the wheel in addition to the tyre are surface treatments for appearance and protection, valves for filling and discharging the tyre, balance weights, drive pegs, tyre pressure and temperature monitoring devices and spacers on the inboard mounting face of identical specification on all wheels for the same axle.
IMPACT: In 2009, you didn’t have to look hard to notice the wheel rim covers, which become so commonplace up and down the pit lane. This season they have been banned. This means one less thing to go wrong when pit crews tackle the new speedy fuel-less pit stops and also (possibly) more overtaking, as the airflow behind a car will be less turbulent. Teams, however, will look elsewhere to recover the aero advantage of the rim covers.

CHANGE - wheel rim heaters banned
Sporting regulations, article 25.3, control of tyres
25.3 f) The only permitted type of tyre heating devices are blankets which use resistive heating elements. The heating elements may only act upon the outer tyre surface.
IMPACT: Although the use of tyre blankets is still allowed, the restriction on the inner heated core, which is used to heat the wheel rim, is set to make the warm-up of tyres much more important.

CHANGE - modified safety car rules
Sporting regulations, article 40.7
40.7 All competing cars must then reduce speed and form up in line behind the safety car no more than ten car lengths apart. In order to ensure that drivers reduce speed sufficiently, from the time at which the “SAFETY CAR DEPLOYED” message is shown on the timing monitors until the time that each car crosses the first safety car line for the first time, drivers must stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU. With the following exceptions, overtaking is forbidden until the cars reach the first safety car line after the safety car has returned to the pits. Overtaking will only be permitted under the following circumstances :
- if a car is signalled to do so from the safety car ;
- under 40.14 below ;
- any car entering the pits may pass another car or the safety car remaining on the track after it has crossed the first safety car line ;
- any car leaving the pits may be overtaken by another car on the track before it crosses the second safety car line ;
- when the safety car is returning to the pits it may be overtaken by cars on the track once it has crossed the first safety car line ;
- any car stopping in its designated garage area whilst the safety car is using the pit lane (see 40.10 below) may be overtaken ;
- if any car slows with an obvious problem.
IMPACT: - During a safety car period, backmarkers are no longer able to ‘unlap’ themselves whilst running behind the safety car. It’s hoped that this will shorten safety car periods and see quicker restarts during the 2010 season.

CHANGE - second additional engine penalty
Sporting regulations, article 28.4
28.4 a) Each driver may use no more than eight engines during a Championship season. Should a driver use more than eight engines he will drop ten places on the starting grid at the first Event during which each additional engine is used. If two such additional engines are used during a single Event the driver concerned will drop ten places on the starting grid at that Event and at the following Event.
IMPACT: Each driver is allowed to use no more than eight engines during a season. If he does use more than his permitted eight, he will drop 10 places on the starting grid of the event at which an additional unit is to be used. An extra caveat in 2010 is that if he uses a second additional engine during a race weekend he will be handed a 10-place grid penalty for the following event. This makes engine sustainability even more significant, particularly as the season’s close approaches.

CHANGE - reduction in on-track aero testing
Sporting regulations, article 22.1
22.1 a) iii) six one day aerodynamic tests carried out on FIA approved straight line or constant radius sites between 1 January 2010 and the end of the last Event of the Championship. Any of these days may be substituted for four hours of wind-on full scale wind tunnel testing to be carried out in a single twenty four hour period.
IMPACT: Since 2009, testing during the season has been banned, with the exception of a small number of straight-line aero tests. In 2010 the number of test days available has been further reduced from eight to six. This will mean teams will have to capitalise on their limited time on the track all the more, and could prompt more general testing to be conducted during Friday practice sessions before Grands Prix.

CHANGE - dry tyre availability
Sporting regulations, article 25.2/4
25.2, quantity of tyres: During the Event no driver may use more than eleven sets of dry-weather tyres (six of ‘prime’ specification and five of ‘option’ specification), four sets of intermediate tyres and three sets of wet-weather tyres.
25.4 Use of tyres :
a) Each nominated driver will be allocated three sets of dry-weather tyres for use during P1 and P2, two of “prime” specification and one of “option” specification. These are the only dry-weather tyres which may be used during these sessions.
One set of “prime” specification must be returned to the tyre supplier before the start of P2 and one set of each specification before the start of P3.
IMPACT: The number of dry tyres available to each driver has been decreased from 14 to 11 sets per weekend. In order to persuade teams to run more comprehensively during Friday practice sessions, one set of dry tyres must be returned before the start of Practice Two, and two sets before the start of Practice Three.

CHANGE - qualifying to race tyres for top ten
Sporting regulations, article 25.4
25.4 d) At the start of the race each car which took part in Q3 must be fitted with the tyres with which the driver set his grid time. This will only be necessary if dry-weather tyres were used to set the grid time and if dry-weather are used at the start of the race.
IMPACT: One of the more interesting changes to the tyre rules for 2010 is that any driver who participates in Q3 during Saturday qualifying must start the race on the same tyres he used to set his grid time. This will prompt a real brainteaser for team strategists, who will have to decide whether it’s worth qualifying on a softer (quicker)tyre, even though it may not serve the driver so well on a full fuel load at the start of the race.

CHANGE - testing for driver substitutes
Sporting regulations, article 22.1
22.1 c) No track testing may take place between the start of the week preceding the first Event of the Championship and 31 December of the same year with the following exception
If a team declares that one of its current race drivers is to be substituted by a driver who has not participated in an F1 race in the two previous calendar years, one day of track testing will be permitted between the start of the week preceding second Event and the last Event of the Championship. The following must be observed:
- Any such day may only be carried out by the new driver and may not take place on a circuit hosting a race in the current Championship year.
- Any such day may only take place within a period 14 days prior to the substitution and 14 days after the substitution has taken place.
- If a team, having declared the driver’s substitution and performed the test, does not then enter an Event with the new driver, the team will be penalised by a reduction of one day from the pre-season track testing days available in the following year.
IMPACT: Last season Jaime Alguersuari made his Formula One debut in the Toro Rosso having only previously driven an F1 car during a straight-line test. In effort to avoid this scenario again this year, the FIA have somewhat relaxed their in-season testing rules. So if a team declares that one of their current race drivers is to be substituted by a driver, who has not participated in an F1 race in the last two calendar years, one day of track testing will now be permitted. This will only be allowed if it takes place on an approved circuit not being used for a Grand Prix during the current season.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on March 14, 2010, 07:48:54 am
12 - 14 Mar 2010
2010 FORMULA 1 GULF AIR BAHRAIN GRAND PRIX
Pos    No    Driver    Team    Q1   Q2   Q3    Laps
1    5    Sebastian Vettel    RBR-Renault    1:55.029   1:53.883   1:54.101    14
2    7    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    1:55.313   1:54.331   1:54.242    16
3    8    Fernando Alonso    Ferrari    1:54.612   1:54.172   1:54.608    20
4    2    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    1:55.341   1:54.707   1:55.217    19
5    4    Nico Rosberg    Mercedes Benz GP Ltd    1:55.463   1:54.682   1:55.241    13
6    6    Mark Webber    RBR-Renault    1:55.298   1:54.318   1:55.284    13
7    3    Michael Schumacher    Mercedes Benz GP Ltd    1:55.593   1:55.105   1:55.524    15
8    1    Jenson Button    McLaren-Mercedes    1:55.715   1:55.168   1:55.672    17
9    11    Robert Kubica    Renault    1:55.511   1:54.963   1:55.885    17
10    14    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Mercedes    1:55.213   1:54.996   1:56.309    16
11    9    Rubens Barrichello    Williams-Cosworth    1:55.969   1:55.330      12
12    15    Vitantonio Liuzzi    Force India-Mercedes    1:55.628   1:55.653      13
13    10    Nico Hulkenberg    Williams-Cosworth    1:56.375   1:55.857      14
14    22    Pedro de la Rosa    BMW Sauber-Ferrari    1:56.428   1:56.237      13
15    16    Sebastien Buemi    STR-Ferrari    1:56.189   1:56.265      14
16    23    Kamui Kobayashi    BMW Sauber-Ferrari    1:56.541   1:56.270      13
17    12    Vitaly Petrov    Renault    1:56.167   1:56.619      14
18    17    Jaime Alguersuari    STR-Ferrari    1:57.071         6
19    24    Timo Glock    Virgin-Cosworth    1:59.728         7
20    18    Jarno Trulli    Lotus-Cosworth    1:59.852         6
21    19    Heikki Kovalainen    Lotus-Cosworth    2:00.313         7
22    25    Lucas di Grassi    Virgin-Cosworth    2:00.587         7
23    21    Bruno Senna    HRT-Cosworth    2:03.240         6
24    20    Karun Chandhok    HRT-Cosworth    2:04.904
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: kilabee on March 14, 2010, 08:19:41 am
Poor effort from Sky TV again.4 Channels of sport and they only replay qualifying just before race start.I might have to make a pointless phone call to customer "service"
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zenith on March 14, 2010, 08:29:59 am
Looks like lots of Q3 times are slower that Q2 - I assume many opting for hard tyres for the race.
Should be a good season, thou Sleep>F1 for me so I don't think I will see much. Gone are the days of getting up at midnite to watch on TV1
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 14, 2010, 05:36:47 pm
Quote from: Zenith;1083922
Looks like lots of Q3 times are slower that Q2 - I assume many opting for hard tyres for the race.
Should be a good season, thou Sleep>F1 for me so I don't think I will see much. Gone are the days of getting up at midnite to watch on TV1

the post qualy press conference was quite funny, the person asking the questions (I pressume theres only one?) asked Vettel what he feels about getting pole, then asked Massa abotu second, then when it came to Alonso he asked;

'So Alonso, why do you feel there was a much larger gap in at the end of qualifying than there was at the start?'
To which Alonso replied with;
'I guess it has to do with the heat.. Etsetrah' (purposely misspelled)

Probably funnier to hear it said than read, but it seemed as if he didn't give a crap about the gap, and was expecting to be asked about getting third.

--

Go Vettel! Also good to see Webber up in sixth, hopefully he can get something out of that.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on March 14, 2010, 05:45:29 pm
Quote from: Spork;1084198
the post qualy press conference was quite funny, the person asking the questions (I pressume theres only one?) asked Vettel what he feels about getting pole, then asked Massa abotu second, then when it came to Alonso he asked;

'So Alonso, why do you feel there was a much larger gap in at the end of qualifying than there was at the start?'
To which Alonso replied with;
'I guess it has to do with the heat.. Etsetrah' (purposely misspelled)

Probably funnier to hear it said than read, but it seemed as if he didn't give a crap about the gap, and was expecting to be asked about getting third.

--

Go Vettel! Also good to see Webber up in sixth, hopefully he can get something out of that.

Wait for Alonso tantrums to start when things don't go right.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on March 14, 2010, 05:52:33 pm
Schumacher looks weird not-in-red

http://www.formula1.com/teams_and_drivers/

hopefully Webber and RBR and build on last years success. big time Webber fanboi here.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 14, 2010, 06:35:49 pm
Quote from: JontyB;1084209
Schumacher looks weird not-in-red

[url]http://www.formula1.com/teams_and_drivers/[/url]

hopefully Webber and RBR and build on last years success. big time Webber fanboi here.

 
One of the big things that I can see getting in the way of Webber is Vettel.

Although if Webber finished second in every race of this season except the ones where Vettel didn't finish or for some reason finished low in the grid, and Webber finishes first, I would be happy.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on March 14, 2010, 06:37:27 pm
i can see that rivalry being very benificial for the team, picking which driver will come out on top will be very hard
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on March 15, 2010, 06:21:59 am
12 - 14 Mar 2010
2010 FORMULA 1 GULF AIR BAHRAIN GRAND PRIX
Pos    No    Driver    Team    Laps    Time/Retired    Grid    Pts
1    8    Fernando Alonso    Ferrari    49    1:39:20.396    3    25
2    7    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    49    +16.0 secs    2    18
3    2    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    49    +23.1 secs    4    15
4    5    Sebastian Vettel    RBR-Renault    49    +38.7 secs    1    12
5    4    Nico Rosberg    Mercedes Benz GP Ltd    49    +40.2 secs    5    10
6    3    Michael Schumacher    Mercedes Benz GP Ltd    49    +44.1 secs    7    8
7    1    Jenson Button    McLaren-Mercedes    49    +45.2 secs    8    6
8    6    Mark Webber    RBR-Renault    49    +46.3 secs    6    4
9    15    Vitantonio Liuzzi    Force India-Mercedes    49    +53.0 secs    12    2
10    9    Rubens Barrichello    Williams-Cosworth    49    +62.4 secs    11    1
11    11    Robert Kubica    Renault    49    +69.0 secs    9    
12    14    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Mercedes    49    +82.9 secs    10    
13    17    Jaime Alguersuari    STR-Ferrari    49    +92.6 secs    18    
14    10    Nico Hulkenberg    Williams-Cosworth    48    +1 Lap    13    
15    19    Heikki Kovalainen    Lotus-Cosworth    47    +2 Laps    21    
16    16    Sebastien Buemi    STR-Ferrari    46    +3 Laps    15    
17    18    Jarno Trulli    Lotus-Cosworth    46    Hydraulics    20    
Ret    22    Pedro de la Rosa    BMW Sauber-Ferrari    28    Hydraulics    14    
Ret    21    Bruno Senna    HRT-Cosworth    17    Mechanical    23    
Ret    24    Timo Glock    Virgin-Cosworth    16    Gearbox    19    
Ret    12    Vitaly Petrov    Renault    13    Suspension    17    
Ret    23    Kamui Kobayashi    BMW Sauber-Ferrari    11    Hydraulics    16    
Ret    25    Lucas di Grassi    Virgin-Cosworth    2    Hydraulics    22    
Ret    20    Karun Chandhok    HRT-Cosworth    1    Accident    24
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on March 16, 2010, 07:03:40 pm
Hoo ha!! Its a redwash!!

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3097/2824122012_e74c785099.jpg)
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 16, 2010, 10:45:24 pm
Ferrari got lucky with the Vettel exhaust problem.

Vettel got very unlucky with the same problem.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 22, 2010, 11:45:51 am
Anyone want to buy an F1 ticket? =(

4 day pass! :P

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/2010-Formula-1-Australian-Grand-Prix-ticket_W0QQitemZ270549920587QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Tickets?hash=item3efe082b4b
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on March 22, 2010, 04:38:02 pm
Race will be more exciting than Bahrain?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Obbles on March 22, 2010, 05:05:22 pm
ONE MORE DAY OF WORK!!!!!!

w00t
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: kilabee on March 22, 2010, 05:22:43 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;1088853
Race will be more exciting than Bahrain?

We can only hope.Its going to be really dull if the whole session pans out like Bahrain.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on March 31, 2010, 07:55:52 am
Quote from: Zarkov;1088853
Race will be more exciting than Bahrain?

Yes, it was. And there's no reason to think that the rest of the season won't be exciting either.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on April 03, 2010, 10:02:02 pm
Interesting qualifying session so far, Alonso, Massa, Hamilton and Button out in the first session due to bad weather predictions presumably, and now there's a red flag in the final session before anyone could set a lap, with 7 minutes left on the clock, but time has been frozen until the track is good to go.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on April 03, 2010, 10:16:36 pm
Fuck yes Mark Weather!! Good choice on behalf of his team for a change!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 03, 2010, 11:10:10 pm
They earned their money.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on April 04, 2010, 05:59:49 am
Eddie Jordan would beg to differ.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on April 04, 2010, 06:40:24 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;1095628
Eddie Jordan would beg to differ.

Yeah but with Eddie Jordan its a case of 'do as I say not as I have done'.
Lets face it his team performed pretty dismally considering the money he (or rather Benson and Hedges) poured into it

Go Seb Vettel ... you deserve a win! And way to go Nico Rosberg showing the 'master' the way around this season so far!!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Obbles on April 04, 2010, 09:38:23 pm
VETTTTTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Red Bull 1 2

woot
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 04, 2010, 09:45:20 pm
How many more races before Fernando spits the dummy?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on April 04, 2010, 10:14:14 pm
The most satisfying moment of the season to date would have to be watching Alonso's car blowing up as he tried to pass Button. I'm still laughing my arse off at that one. :rnr:
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Obbles on April 04, 2010, 10:28:37 pm
Did you see Vettel pass Trulli at the end there, "after you good sir" "no after you" "no, no good chap I insist"

Was half expecting his car malfunction again :(

Does anyone know where you can buy merchandise (shirts, caps etc) in NZ?

Can only find overseas online stores
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on April 05, 2010, 12:29:13 am
Quote from: Zarkov;1095894
How many more races before Fernando spits the dummy?

You mean like Hamilton did in the last race?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 05, 2010, 07:01:37 am
Quote from: pyro;1095938
You mean like Hamilton did in the last race?


Same, but with more conspiracy theories.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on April 09, 2010, 05:49:00 pm
Quote from: Rex;1095911
Does anyone know where you can buy merchandise (shirts, caps etc) in NZ?

Can only find overseas online stores

I believe that Puma produces Red Bull F1 gear and you can buy it at the Foot Locker stores!  FootLocker!! ....that means its going to be even more expensive!!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Obbles on April 10, 2010, 12:26:11 pm
Just got a copy of the BBC coverage from my uncle and guess what!!

(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3872/lolhya.jpg) (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/lolhya.jpg/)
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on April 10, 2010, 05:12:32 pm
lol..
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Obbles on April 10, 2010, 05:33:38 pm
srs ^^
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on April 10, 2010, 05:58:16 pm
i believe you
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: nzjeebs on April 12, 2010, 12:46:35 am
Btw it's mark webber not weather :P
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on April 12, 2010, 12:49:29 am
Quote from: Jeebs;1240261
Btw it's mark webber not weather :P

Neg, it's Mark Weather, because he always performs well in bad weather!
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on April 12, 2010, 06:01:25 am
I always imagined that rex would be shorter than that.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: imported_Anxiety on April 12, 2010, 06:57:53 am
damn, Michael is choking :(
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Obbles on April 12, 2010, 10:19:10 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;1240303
I always imagined that rex would be shorter than that.

Im not a RL troll :)
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on April 13, 2010, 09:42:20 am
Fuck off Briatore. That is all.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on April 13, 2010, 04:13:00 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;1241832
Fuck off Briatore. That is all.


You're only jealous!!

(http://sickpigs.com/wp-content/potd/Flavio%20Briatore.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Donkey on April 16, 2010, 11:38:06 pm
[video]6W9A8INbmhM[/video]

[video]YrCF9POhwys[/video]
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on April 17, 2010, 12:16:46 am
Holy shit! When was that?
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Donkey on April 17, 2010, 12:23:16 am
Practice this afternoon.

http://forums.getsome.co.nz/index.php/topic,71504.msg1284961/topicseen.html#new
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on April 17, 2010, 12:33:50 am
I SWEAR TOO MUCH.


my guess, 2 race ban
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 18, 2010, 07:55:15 am
Qualifying -

A dramatic Q3 qualifying session saw Red Bull’s Mark Webber snatch pole position from Sebastian Vettel, only to have his team mate snatch it back at the very last second, as Ferrari’s Fernando Alonso and Mercedes GP’s Nico Rosberg pushed ahead of the hitherto dominant McLarens.

In the end Vettel’s 1m 34.558s lap clinched things, with Webber left to be content with second place on 1m 34.806s. Alonso was right in there with 1m 34.913s for Ferrari, while Rosberg jumped up at the last moment with 1m 34.923s.

Jenson Button also went ahead of McLaren team mate Lewis Hamilton, who had set the pace for most of the weekend. The 2009 world champion lapped in 1m 34.979s compared to the 2008 title-holder’s 1m 35.034s.

Behind the top six, Felipe Massa was seventh on 1m 35.180s in the second Ferrari from Renault’s Robert Kubica on 1m 35.364s, while Mercedes GP’s Michael Schumacher’s 1m 35.646s just pipped Adrian Sutil’s 1m 35.963s for Force India at the very end.

As Hamilton had continued to set the pace in Q2 with 1m 34.928s, Schumacher had a scare as his 1m 35.715s was only just enough to earn 10th place and keep Rubens Barrichello at bay after the Brazilian took his Williams round in 1m 35.748s.

Behind them, Jaime Alguersuari continued to outpace Toro Rosso partner Sebastien Buemi, with 1m 36.047s to 1m 36.149s. Vitaly Petrov recovered from his Saturday morning shunt to take 14th place for Renault with 1m 36.311s, then came the BMW Saubers of Kamui Kobayashi and Pedro de la Rosa which sandwiched Nico Hulkenberg’s Williams. Respectively they lapped in 1m 36.422s, 1m 36.647s and 1m 37.020s.

Q1 also saw Hamilton set the pace with 1m 35.641s and first weeded out Vitantonio Liuzzi in the second Force India, which still had handling problems as the Italian could not better 1m 37.161s. Then Timo Glock again aced the Lotuses, lapping his Virgin in 1m 39.278s to beat Jarno Trulli (1m 39.399s), Heikki Kovalainen (who spun in Turn Six early on, and then recorded 1m 39.520s), and Lucas di Grassi in the second VR-01 on 1m 39.783s.

Bruno Senna turned the tables on HRT team mate Karun Chandhok, as they lapped in 1m 40.469s and 1m 40.578s respectively. Chandhok will receive a five-place penalty for non-regulation gearbox work on his car on Friday.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Obbles on April 18, 2010, 10:59:55 am
Vettel to lead the entire race

<3
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on April 18, 2010, 02:22:42 pm
Was it just me or where the commentators extra pro Hamilton for Qualifying?

Seemed everything they said was related to him.

'here is Sebastian Buemi, he doesn't really matter though because his car and team are absolutely crap, so we shouldn't really bother watching him, Oh look, Lewis Hamilton just overtook him as though there was no car infront of him (Buemi on his in lap), Hamilton really is going to dominate this qualifying session!'

'Lewis Hamilton really is doing well, oh, we are looking at Mark Webber, but who cares about him, Lewis Hamilton is setting probably the best lap so far, Mark Webber finishes, Oh but Lewis Hamilton just came flying around the final turn! He climbs up to second....'

'Vettel has finished qualifying in top spot, too bad that Hamilton only finished 5th.. I'm really disappointed in him for that!'

* Some dialogue may have been altered a little bit.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 18, 2010, 03:03:45 pm
A new Murray Walker emerges.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on April 19, 2010, 12:04:34 pm
Mclaren 1-2. All is right with the world.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: SteddieEddie on April 19, 2010, 12:15:25 pm
First race I have watched in a long time, picked a good one
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 19, 2010, 04:46:14 pm
I hate to say it, but Jenson is doing a pretty good job.

Hard out race too.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on April 19, 2010, 10:08:24 pm
I think Button is the best tactical driver on the circuit at the moment. And Hamilton is easily the best "driving" driver. IMO, Schumacher was (and probably still is) the best strategic driver. But since the change to remove refueling during the race, strategy is having less effect than tactics and pure driving capability.

For all the talk of the racing being boring, i think there's been better racing than we've seen for a few years. I'm not sure whether it's just because of the rain that has been prevalent or whether the changes have had that much effect, but being on pole doesn't guarantee you wins like it did in the recent past.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on April 20, 2010, 10:22:51 pm
Did anything come of the Hamilton Vettel pitlane debacle?
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on April 21, 2010, 09:40:58 pm
Quote from: Spork;1249021
Did anything come of the Hamilton Vettel pitlane debacle?
They were both slapped on the wrist with a wet bus ticket and given a 'reprimand' for driving in a dangerous manner!!
Glad the police treat dangerous driving a bit more seriously! What would they have said if one of them had have clipped somebody in pit lane driving two abreast?
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on April 25, 2010, 12:55:32 pm
Quote from: Spork;1249021
Did anything come of the Hamilton Vettel pitlane debacle?

Looks like Hamilton can do no wrong in the eyes of the stewards, Im sure the outcome would of been different if it was Schumacher that was the culprit in the last 2 incidents instead of Hamilton.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on May 09, 2010, 01:45:24 am
Webbbbbeeerrrrr!
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on May 09, 2010, 08:14:48 am
Quote from: Spork;1262172
Webbbbbeeerrrrr!

Oh, that's helpful.

I was hoping for the starting grid.

Qualifying - Webber pips Vettel to pole in Spain


Red Bull put on yet another stunning display of raw speed at Barcelona during qualifying on Saturday afternoon, as Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel dominated all three sessions to fight for pole position, the team’s fifth of the season.

On his final run in Q3 Vettel went to the top with a lap of 1m 20.101s, but Webber’s best aced him as 1m 19.995s won the Australian his second pole of the year.

Behind them Lewis Hamilton’s McLaren was a breathless best of the rest on 1m 20.829s, moving ahead of Fernando’s Alonso Ferrari which the Spaniard had lapped in 1m 20.937s. Jenson Button sandwiched the red car after taking his McLaren round in 1m 20.991s.

Right at the end Michael Schumacher confirmed how much more comfortable he feels in the revamped Mercedes by snatching sixth place with 1m 21.294s, leaving the ever-impressive Robert Kubica seventh for Renault on 1m 21.353s, Mercedes GP’s Nico Rosberg on 1m 21.408s, Ferrari’s Felipe Massa on 1m 21.585s, and BMW Sauber’s Kamui Kobayashi on 1m 21.984s from his sole run.

Alonso, criticised by some in China for his passing move on team mate Massa on the pit lane entry, annoyed Nico Rosberg as Q3 began by pulling straight out in front of him in the pit road. Ferrari have since been handed a $20,000 fine after the FIA decided the Spaniard had been unsafely released.

Qualifying took place on a bone dry track and with warm sunshine and a steady wind.

As Webber and Vettel fought for P1 in Q2, Force India’s Adrian Sutil narrowly lost out to Rosberg, his 1m 21.985s leaving him 11th ahead of BMW Sauber’s Pedro de la Rosa on 1m 22.026s, Williams’s Nico Hulkenberg on 1m 22.131s, Renault’s Vitaly Petrov on 1m 22.139s, Toro Rosso’s Sebastien Buemi on 1m 22.191s and Jaime Alguersuari on 1m 22.207s and Force India’s Vitantonio Liuzzi on 1m 22.854s.

Petrov, however, falls from 14th to 19th because Renault changed his gearbox after his shunt in final practice this morning.

Rubens Barrichello was the fastest faller in Q1, after lapping his Williams in 1m 23.125s. Behind him the Lotus duo was again closely matched, with Jarno Trulli on 1m 24.674s and Heikki Kovalainen on 1m 24.748s. That was comfortably ahead of the Virgins, with Timo Glock on 1m 25.475s and Lucas di Grassi on 1m 25.556s. Karun Chandhok was again the faster HRT on 1m 26.750s, with Bruno Senna on 1m 27.122s.

The Virgins, however, each get a five-place grid penalty for the team’s failure to notify the FIA within two hours of second practice of the gear ratios the team chose for Saturday.

With all the penalties taken into account, Buemi will start 14th from Alguersuari, Liuzzi, Barrichello, Trulli, Petrov, Kovalainen, Chandhok, Senna, Glock and Di G
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on May 09, 2010, 01:33:50 pm
Why would I care about anyone except those who finished first and second? Annd then I only care about Vettel because he is Webber's team mate. :P

Anyway, I know you love to post up the post qualy write up.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on May 10, 2010, 04:41:05 pm
When pole wins for 11 yrs in a row, it's time to move the race somewhere else.





FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO DE ESPANA TELEFÓNICA 2010
Pos    No    Driver    Team    Laps    Time/Retired    Grid    Pts
1    6    Mark Webber    RBR-Renault    66    1:35:44.101    1    25
2    8    Fernando Alonso    Ferrari    66    +24.0 secs    4    18
3    5    Sebastian Vettel    RBR-Renault    66    +51.3 secs    2    15
4    3    Michael Schumacher    Mercedes GP    66    +62.1 secs    6    12
5    1    Jenson Button    McLaren-Mercedes    66    +63.7 secs    5    10
6    7    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    66    +65.7 secs    9    8
7    14    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Mercedes    66    +72.9 secs    11    6
8    11    Robert Kubica    Renault    66    +73.6 secs    7    4
9    9    Rubens Barrichello    Williams-Cosworth    65    +1 Lap    17    2
10    17    Jaime Alguersuari    STR-Ferrari    65    +1 Lap    15    1
11    12    Vitaly Petrov    Renault    65    +1 Lap    19    
12    23    Kamui Kobayashi    BMW Sauber-Ferrari    65    +1 Lap    10    
13    4    Nico Rosberg    Mercedes GP    65    +1 Lap    8    
14    2    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    64    Accident    3    
15    15    Vitantonio Liuzzi    Force India-Mercedes    64    Technical    16    
16    10    Nico Hulkenberg    Williams-Cosworth    64    +2 Laps    13    
17    18    Jarno Trulli    Lotus-Cosworth    63    +3 Laps    18    
18    24    Timo Glock    Virgin-Cosworth    63    +3 Laps    22    
19    25    Lucas di Grassi    Virgin-Cosworth    62    +4 Laps    23    
Ret    16    Sebastien Buemi    STR-Ferrari    42    Hydraulics    14    
Ret    20    Karun Chandhok    HRT-Cosworth    27    Suspension    24    
Ret    22    Pedro de la Rosa    BMW Sauber-Ferrari    18    Puncture damage    12    
Ret    21    Bruno Senna    HRT-Cosworth    0    Accident
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on May 10, 2010, 07:58:11 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;1262812
When pole wins for 11 yrs in a row, it's time to move the race somewhere else.


Or grab pole yourself if you are one of the protagonists!!

Nice to see Schumi moving up the field .... even if it was due in part to Hamiltons misfortune!
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on May 10, 2010, 08:04:08 pm
Quote from: Quasikomodo;1262917
Nice to see Schumi moving up the field .... even if it was due in part to Hamiltons misfortune!

two pluses imo


great to see webber taking an awesome win though.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on May 16, 2010, 03:02:30 pm
FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 2010
Pos    No    Driver    Team    Q1   Q2   Q3    Laps
1    6    Mark Webber    RBR-Renault    1:15.035   1:14.462   1:13.826    25
2    11    Robert Kubica    Renault    1:15.045   1:14.549   1:14.120    28
3    5    Sebastian Vettel    RBR-Renault    1:15.110   1:14.568   1:14.227    23
4    7    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    1:14.757   1:14.405   1:14.283    23
5    2    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    1:15.676   1:14.527   1:14.432    31
6    4    Nico Rosberg    Mercedes GP    1:15.188   1:14.375   1:14.544    18
7    3    Michael Schumacher    Mercedes GP    1:15.649   1:14.691   1:14.590    23
8    1    Jenson Button    McLaren-Mercedes    1:15.623   1:15.150   1:14.637    28
9    9    Rubens Barrichello    Williams-Cosworth    1:15.590   1:15.083   1:14.901    29
10    15    Vitantonio Liuzzi    Force India-Mercedes    1:15.397   1:15.061   1:15.170    27
11    10    Nico Hulkenberg    Williams-Cosworth    1:16.030   1:15.317      19
12    14    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Mercedes    1:15.445   1:15.318      18
13    16    Sebastien Buemi    STR-Ferrari    1:15.961   1:15.413      21
14    12    Vitaly Petrov    Renault    1:15.482   1:15.576      19
15    22    Pedro de la Rosa    BMW Sauber-Ferrari    1:15.908   1:15.692      20
16    23    Kamui Kobayashi    BMW Sauber-Ferrari    1:16.175   1:15.992      21
17    17    Jaime Alguersuari    STR-Ferrari    1:16.021   1:16.176      20
18    19    Heikki Kovalainen    Lotus-Cosworth    1:17.094         11
19    18    Jarno Trulli    Lotus-Cosworth    1:17.134         12
20    24    Timo Glock    Virgin-Cosworth    1:17.377         12
21    25    Lucas di Grassi    Virgin-Cosworth    1:17.864         12
22    21    Bruno Senna    HRT-Cosworth    1:18.509         12
23    20    Karun Chandhok    HRT-Cosworth    1:19.559         14
24    8    Fernando Alonso    Ferrari    No time   
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on May 16, 2010, 04:05:21 pm
Good to see Webber on pole and Kubica second. That Renault chassis must be improving.
Apparently Alonso crashed his Ferrari in practice 3 and damaged the chassis so badly they couldn't repair it. Poor old Fernando!! And amazingly he blamed himself for the crash!!
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on May 16, 2010, 04:24:46 pm
Yea, felt a bit sorry for Alonso, as he was ripping it up in practice, then crashed, and couldn't qualify.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on May 19, 2010, 09:17:06 pm
Damon der schweinhund.


Schumacher passed Alonso just as the safety car pulled in at the end of Lap 78. The FIA stewards, which included his old sparring partner Damon Hill, have deemed the German breached Article 40.13 of the Sporting Regulations, which states that “if the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on May 19, 2010, 10:38:08 pm
wtf? since when?

'Last rule modification on Sunday 16th May 2010'
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Scunner on June 28, 2010, 03:07:40 pm
Does Webber know you have to go around - not through - other cars to pass them?
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on June 28, 2010, 03:45:39 pm
Red bull gives you wings!
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on July 11, 2010, 10:02:40 pm
Quote from: Spork;1282757
Red bull gives you wings!

It must do.


Qualifying - Red Bull sweep to British pole


Sebastian Vettel will start the British Grand Prix from pole position for Red Bull after narrowly beating team mate Mark Webber. The two of them were inseparable in all three sessions, but Vettel just edged out the Australian with a lap of 1m 29.615s compared to 1m 29.758s.

It then transpired that there were only two of the latest RB6 front wings available and that Vettel got the second as a replacement after his original broke in final practice this morning. A tight-lipped Webber simply said: “The team is happy with the result today”.

Behind them, only Fernando Alonso really got anywhere close, and he was seventh-tenths off pole for Ferrari with his lap of 1m 30.426s. Lewis Hamilton drove heroically in a difficult McLaren to take fourth place with 1m 30.556s, and Nico Rosberg was close to him in the Mercedes with 1m 30.625s.

Robert Kubica was his usual determined yet unobtrusive self as he put the lead Renault into sixth spot with 1m 31.040s ahead of Ferrari’s Felipe Massa, who could not get sufficient temperature into his Bridgestone tyres as he lapped in 1m 31.172s. Rubens Barrichello will start eighth for Williams on 1m 31.175s, with Pedro de la Rosa (1m 31.274s) and Michael Schumacher (1m 31.430s) sharing row five for BMW Sauber and Mercedes respectively.

Webber set the Q2 pace with 1m 30.114s and Vettel ran second on 1m 30.480s after feeling that he just pushed too hard.

Neither of the Force Indias made it through, despite Adrian Sutil pushing really hard to record 1m 31.399s and Vitantonio Liuzzi’s straight-line speed deficit (4 km/h) kept him to 1m 31.708s. That left them 11th and 15th, with Kamui Kobayashi 12th for BMW Sauber on 1m 31.421s, Nico Hulkenberg 13th for Williams on 1m 31.635s and a very disappointed Jenson Button only 14th on 1m 31.699s in the second McLaren. That is assuredly not where the reigning champion had envisaged starting. He just didn’t get the car sorted.

Renault’s Vitaly Petrov had looked very strong in Q1, but had an electronic problem at the start of Q2 and played no real part in it. He lines up 16th on 1m 31.796s, ahead of Sebastien Buemi, who took his Toro Rosso round in 1m 32.012s.

Q1 made it clear what sort of pace would be needed for Q3 as Vettel set the pace with 1m 30.841s from Webber on 1m 30.858s.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on July 12, 2010, 01:36:00 am
Nice work Webber, looks like he is getting a bit of a big head now.. :P
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on July 25, 2010, 08:13:10 am
Qualifying - Vettel snatches home pole in Germany


Ferrari’s Fernando Alonso led Red Bull’s Sebastian Vettel in both Q1 and Q2, and again after the first runs in Q3, but on his very last run the German stopped the clocks in 1m 13.791s. And when the dust had settled after the Spaniard had completed his second run he came up just two thousandths of a second short, on 1m 13.793s.

There could scarcely have been a better nor more dramatic scene-setter for Sunday’s German Grand Prix here at Hockenheim.

After Red Bull’s Mark Webber made a mistake in the first sector of his final run, he was jumped by Felipe Massa in the second Ferrari, who thus starts third after a lap of 1m 14.290s. Webber is fourth on 1m 14.347s.

Behind them, the McLarens share row three, with Jenson Button acing Lewis Hamilton on their final runs. The former improved to 1m 14.427s, the latter did not improve on 1m 14.566s.

Robert Kubica was seventh for Renault on 1m 15.079s, ahead of Rubens Barrichello on 1m 15.109s for Williams, Nico Rosberg on 1m 15.179s for Mercedes, and Nico Hulkenberg on 1m 15.339s in the second Williams.

Right at the end of Q2, in which Alonso was again fastest with 1m 14.081s, Hulkenberg pushed fellow German - and Mercedes driver - Michael Schumacher out of Q3, leaving the veteran first of the fallers on 1m 15.026s (to Rosberg’s 1m 15.018s). Kamui Kobayashi ran wide in Turn One and thus compromised his chances of getting through, leaving him 12th for BMW Sauber with 1m 15.084s, then came Vitaly Petrov on 1m 15.307s for Renault, Adrian Sutil on 1m 15.467s for Force India, Pedro de la Rosa on 1m 15.550s in the second BMW Sauber and then the Toro Rossos of Jaime Alguersuari and Sebastien Buemi on 1m 15.588s and 1m 15.974s.

In Q1 Vitantonio Liuzzi had just done a 1m 18.952s when he ran wide exiting the final corner, spun and smacked broadside into the pit wall. A front wheel flew off the Force India, and though the Italian was unharmed, the session was red flagged for eight minutes while the debris was cleared up.

When it resumed, Vettel went fastest until he was supplanted by Alonso with 1m 14.808s, and those who didn’t get through were Jarno Trulli and Heikki Kovalainen who put Lotus back on top in the newbie stakes with 1m 17.583s and 1m 18.300s respectively; Timo Glock’s Virgin on 1m 18.343s, and Bruno Senna’s HRT on 1m 18.592s. At the back, Liuzzi will start 22nd ahead of Sakon Yamamoto who lapped his HRT in 1m 19.844s and Lucas di Grassi, whose Virgin ran into mechanical problems before he got a timed lap.

Sutil is set to drop five places on Sunday's grid thanks to a gearbox-change penalty following problems in final practice. The German will thus start 19th, with De la Rosa, Alguersuari, Buemi, Trulli and Kovalainen each moving up a place as a result.

Both Virgins will also run new gearboxes in the race, meaning penalties for Glock and Di Grassi. Glock will actually start last on the grid, despite out-qualifying his team mate, as he drops five places for the box change and another five places for an additional gear ratio change.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on November 14, 2010, 08:10:06 am
10 poles for Vettel.

Should be a good final race, pity about the time.


Qualifying - Vettel takes vital Yas Marina pole
Qualifying top 3 in parc ferme (L to R): Lewis Hamilton (GBR) McLaren, second; Sebastian Vettel (GER) Red Bull Racing, pole position; Fernando Alonso (ESP) Ferrari, third. Formula One World Championship, Rd 19, Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, Qual

Sebastian Vettel will start the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix just where he wants, on pole position after lapping his Red Bull in 1m 39.394s. But the most important qualifying session of the year was a major disappointment for team mate Mark Webber who managed only fifth place in 1m 39.925s and will be separated from Vettel by McLaren’s Lewis Hamilton, Ferrari’s Fernando Alonso and McLaren’s Jenson Button.

Earlier, Hamilton had been fortunate to avoid contact with Felipe Massa when, after a big slide on his first lap in Q2, he’d had to back off the pace and resumed just as the Ferrari was alongside. The former champion walloped a camera pole, but his McLaren did not sustain any damage and he recovered his momentum brilliantly to lap second quickest before his time eventually left him fifth in that session.

He already held second place as Q3 drew to its close, but trimmed his time down to 1m 39.425s to demonstrate to Vettel that he may yet have a race on his hands on Sunday. Alonso’s late improvement was bad news for Webber. The Spaniard lapped in 1m 39.792s to jump to third, ahead of Button on 1m 39.823s.

Webber will share row three with Massa, who lapped his F10 in 1m 40.202s, while Williams’ Rubens Barrichello’s 1m 40.203s left him seventh ahead of the Mercedes of Michael Schumacher and Nico Rosberg on 1m 40.516s and 1m 40.589s respectively. Like Massa, both suffered in late-session traffic. Vitaly Petrov was 10th for Renault, with 1m 40.901s.

Vettel redefined the ante in Q2 with the fastest lap of the weekend thus far in 1m 39.874s, ahead of the revitalised Button, Rosberg, Webber and Hamilton. Further back, Robert Kubica surprisingly failed to make Q3, taking 11th place behind team mate Petrov with 1m 40.780s in a Renault that still seemed not to be running as well as it did on Friday.

Kamui Kobayashi improved late on but still didn’t make it beyond 12th on 1m 40.783s for BMW Sauber, ahead of Force India’s Adrian Sutil on 1m 40.914s, BMW Sauber’s Nick Heidfeld on 1m 41.113s, Williams’ Nico Hulkenberg on 1m 41.418s, Tonio Liuzzi whose Force India didn’t look as good as it had on Friday on 1m 41.642s and Toro Rosso’s Jaime Alguersuari on 1m 41.738s.

As the sun began to set, Alonso headed Q1 with 1m 40.170s as Sebastien Buemi led those who failed to make the cut after lapping his Toro Rosso in 1m 41.824s. Behind him, Lotus took the new team honours with Jarno Trulli 19th on 1m 43.516s ahead of team mate Heikki Kovalainen on 1m 43.712s.

Timo Glock was close for Virgin but not close enough on 1m 44.095s, which put him ahead of team mate Lucas di Grassi who lapped in 1m 44.510s. Bruno Senna won the intra-team battle at HRT, with 1m 45.085s to Christian Klien’s 1m 45.296s.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on November 14, 2010, 08:58:06 pm
Bloody Webber, no chance now.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Quasikomodo on November 15, 2010, 04:09:26 pm
GG Vettel

Good job Alonso misses out ... and Fernando it was not Petrov's fault that you couldn't pass him!!

Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on November 15, 2010, 04:13:12 pm
i feel sorry for webber :(
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on November 15, 2010, 04:48:44 pm
=( So do I, but it is his fault for being an idiot in Korea.

Hopefully he will still be good for next year.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on November 15, 2010, 05:11:45 pm
Quote from: JontyB;1331780
i feel sorry for webber :(

Vettel's better.

End of story.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on November 15, 2010, 05:13:38 pm
^True, Webber needs more consistency.

Vettel could easily become close to the next Schuey, however he will never be quite as good.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: kilabee on November 15, 2010, 05:18:12 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;1331799
Quote from: JontyB;1331780
i feel sorry for webber :(

Vettel's better.

End of story.

Yes you must realise when you are #2

Edit: I can see why Webber started to throw his toys.Labeled a journey man,then suddenly in a quick car and looking at his only chance to win a world title,and then not getting any favours from his team.He will have to suck it up now and make nice with Vettel because whats his next option? Becoming the number 1 at force India or some other crap team? All the major teams have the drivers locked in next session.He should kiss and make up and then make up the numbers.Not quick enough or consistant enough to be World champ IMO.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on November 15, 2010, 05:22:58 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;1331799
Quote from: JontyB;1331780
i feel sorry for webber :(


Vettel's better.

End of story.


but his name is sebastian

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/littlebritain/images/digi/sebastian.jpg)



plus webber is as close to local as we get
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Thetruereddevil on November 15, 2010, 05:28:48 pm
^^ now that Brendon Hartley got dropped by Red Bull... he is yeah

better either of them than Alonso however
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on November 15, 2010, 05:38:06 pm
^Glory hunter. :P

I disagree that Webber is not WC worthy, he could easily have won it this year.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on November 15, 2010, 05:43:06 pm
im glad he's staying on with Red Bull, but it'l definitely be a #2 slot now
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on November 15, 2010, 06:02:21 pm
Only as expected, he can not expect anything better really.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: kilabee on November 15, 2010, 06:24:29 pm
Quote from: Spork;1331823
Only as expected, he can not expect anything better really.

The best he can now hope for is for Vettels session to fall apart early in the year because if they are close to each other in points mid year Webber is going to be the bum boy every time.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Thetruereddevil on November 15, 2010, 06:38:43 pm
Quote from: Spork;1331811
^Glory hunter. :P

I disagree that Webber is not WC worthy, he could easily have won it this year.

we COULD somehow claim him as a Kiwi.....but no countries do that sorta thing:)

I think he could have won too, was reasonably consistant and fast too. Noone really grabbed the Championship this year, so its unfair to say some deserved it more than others,
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: kilabee on November 15, 2010, 06:47:40 pm
Yea fair enough.I maybe being a little harsh on Webber. First time ever I think 4 drivers have been in the hunt late in the championship. A good finish.
F1 needs more passing.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on January 30, 2011, 12:16:32 am
ferrari car unveiled today

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9378005.stm
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: nzjeebs on February 02, 2011, 03:21:24 pm
The Williams looks awesome as is, too bad this isnt their final livery, seriously i think this is the best looking car on the track right now.
(http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/barr_will_vale_2011-5-470x313.jpg)

Renault aint looking too bad either:
(http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/rena_vale_2011-470x264.jpg)
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on February 02, 2011, 04:04:28 pm
Yea that Williams looks sweet as! Although they'd probably be royally stuffed if they went with such little amount of sponsorship such as what BAR or Earth Honda or what ever they were called back then did for a year or two.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on February 05, 2011, 12:04:37 am
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9383267.stm

some nice pics of testing in there. i laugh every time i see a pic of Alonso though. damn mexicans
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on February 05, 2011, 12:10:13 am
Marky boy F1 World Champ 2011.

I said it first.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on February 05, 2011, 12:12:04 am
its gonna be interesting. could go a few ways.


but yes, webber ftw
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on February 05, 2011, 12:28:09 am
Mark Webber    11.00

Pretty darn low odds, if it was payign 100/1 then I might chuck a hundred on him. :P
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Thetruereddevil on February 05, 2011, 12:11:52 pm
Would like to see Webber win it all this year

love the new renault paint job, brings back the lotus look of the 70s and 80s nicely, those were awesome cars/times in F1, STUPIDLY powerful cars
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on February 05, 2011, 06:48:15 pm
Anyone seen the McLaren car yet? second air intake for cooling the gearbox and hydralics systems, L shaped sidepods (narrow at cockpit, fullsize on the outside), and a shit tonne of extra faggotry on the wings

slideshow here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/default.stm
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: nzjeebs on February 05, 2011, 10:20:00 pm
The only faggotry can be seen sitting inside a Ferrari.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on February 06, 2011, 03:50:02 am
damn mexicans.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Donkey on February 06, 2011, 12:07:28 pm
Quote from: JontyB;1357516
Anyone seen the McLaren car yet? second air intake for cooling the gearbox and hydralics systems, L shaped sidepods (narrow at cockpit, fullsize on the outside), and a shit tonne of extra faggotry on the wings

slideshow here: [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/default.stm[/url]

 
WTF son, a story about McLarens new car and the largest picture they have of it is like 400x200.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on February 07, 2011, 07:58:19 am
**Breaking News**

Robert Kubica has been seriously hurt in a rally in Italy. He's had or is having surgery for multiple fractures to his right leg and arm/hand. Reports are saying that they are working to save his right hand.

Very sad that his career could be over at such a young age.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on February 07, 2011, 08:03:44 am
Quote from: Xt1ncT;1357859
**Breaking News**

Robert Kubica has been seriously hurt in a rally in Italy. He's had or is having surgery for multiple fractures to his right leg and arm/hand. Reports are saying that they are working to save his right hand.

Very sad that his career could be over at such a young age.
update - apparently he was basically "speared" by the end of a barrier - still to be confirmed, but could explain why all injuries were to his right hand side, any why his co-driver escaped unharmed.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Thetruereddevil on February 07, 2011, 08:19:06 am
Quote from: Xt1ncT;1357862
update - apparently he was basically "speared" by the end of a barrier - still to be confirmed, but could explain why all injuries were to his right hand side, any why his co-driver escaped unharmed.

Very sad, quite liked him, good to see a driver from a non  "racing powerhouse" do well

anyone remember that crash at Canada a few years back he had, that was a HUGE one, hopefully we see him back before too long
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xt1ncT on February 07, 2011, 12:42:40 pm
More news

Quote
Robert Kubica could be out of action for the whole of the 2011 Formula 1 season as a result of the serious injuries he sustained in his rally crash on Sunday, medical staff have said.

The Renault driver underwent a seven-hour operation earlier today at the Santa Corona Hospital in Pietra Ligure following his accident on the opening stage of the Ronde di Andora rally.

He had lost control of his Super 2000 Skoda Fabia just a few kilometres into the event and crashed into a wall. The impact resulted in a length of crash barrier penetrating the cockpit of the car and hitting Kubica, badly injuring the right-hand side of his body.

As well as multiple fractures to his right arm, leg and hand, of more immediate concern was his partially severed right hand.

There were fears that the hand may have had to be amputated, but doctors managed to reattach the blood supply during a lengthy operation and are hoping the repair will be successful.

Doctor Igor Rossello, who is a hand specialist, told local media on Sunday night that it would take several days for doctors to assess the success of the operation - and warned that Kubica could need up to one year to recover.

"We need to wait for a week at least to verify whether the hand survives," Dr Rossello was quoted as saying by Italian media. "The nerve lesions are the ones that leave us with the most question marks over the recovery of functions.

"Rehabilitation will be relatively long, probably one year. He came here with multiple traumas, with several associated injuries. He won't necessarily have to undergo further surgery on the hand, but he will if needed."

Dr Rossello said that he expected it would take at least 12 months before Kubica would be able to drive an F1 car again - although he admitted racing drivers often recovered from injury far quicker than predicted.

When asked what the best prediction for Kubica to be back racing, he said: "One year is the best provision.

"I think it is quite difficult now, but you never know. Drivers are always very special patients. I have a lot of motorbike patients and they heal in a much faster way - faster than normal people."

Kubica's co-driver Jakub Gerber emerged uninjured from the accident, and said he did not know what had caused the Pole to go off the road.

"We were on the first four kilometres of the first special stage. I was looking at the notes and didn't notice that the car was skidding," he told Gazzetta dello Sport. "Only when we crashed I saw Robert holding his arm, and after a few moments he lost consciousness.

"Robert isn't just a great driver, he is a friend. I just hope he can recover soon."

Renault team principal Eric Boullier defended the decision to let Kubica keep rallying during the vital build-up period to the new F1 season, even though that decision now appears to have left his team without its lead driver for the year ahead.

"Robert is a person we love dearly: we are extremely sad and obviously shocked," he told the Il Vostro Giornale. "Whether it's a Lotus, a Renault or a Skoda it doesn't make any difference: it's nothing to do with business.

"We've let him do it because rallying is what he loves to do. Rallying is vital for Robert and for his sanity. Besides that, there is a reciprocal agreement. We knew the risks and so did he. We didn't want a robot or a corporate man for a driver."

Kubica has received an outpouring of good wishes from the F1 community after news of his injuries emerged - with a host of drivers, including Jenson Button, Rubens Barrichello, Heikki Kovalainen and Timo Glock - all expressing their hope that he recovers quickly.

Button said: "Shocking news about Robert Kubica. I wish him a speedy recovery."

Fernando Alonso, who is a good friend of Kubica's, even travelled to the Italian hospital on Sunday to speak to doctors - although it is not clear if he was able to see Kubica in person.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on February 07, 2011, 01:50:50 pm
:(
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on February 07, 2011, 01:52:10 pm
Fuck that sucks, if not Webber, I'd say Kuby would be p there
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Pitchey on March 21, 2011, 05:19:12 pm
Ok, not F1 but I CBF starting a separate thread, I'm sure lots of motor racing fans will listen to this guy and stay away, lol, not.
(Although I do sympathise with the businesses that loose out.)

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10713875
Yoga teacher wants boycott of V8s
By James Ihaka 5:30 AM Monday Mar 21, 2011

A yoga teacher is calling for a boycott of the Hamilton V8 car racing series claiming the event will wipe his and other local businesses off the map.

Matthew Smart, who runs the Iyengar Yoga Centre in Frankton, has taken out a series of advertisements in the Herald calling the series "New Zealand's lamest sporting event".

He wants people to shun the three-day event, starting April 15, saying it was destroying local businesses.

"It's majorly damaged me and I would go so far as to say that this would be the end of the business," said Mr Smart.

"I rely on regularity but it takes six weeks before my school gets back to normal from the V8 event.

"My numbers start to drop off the day they start to put these concrete barricades up and I seriously start going into the red."

Mr Smart, who has run the school since 2001, said the advertisement was paid for by a group of disgruntled Frankton business owners who claim the six tickets promoters have offered them does not compensate for the inconvenience.

But ITM400 Hamilton event manager Greg Mosen said the promoters had tried to treat affected businesses and residents equally with the free ticket offers.

Event organisers had spent more than $4 million on about 3000 contractors - 75 per cent of them local - in preparing for the racing.

"There are more than 900 people and businesses we have sent letters to, explaining what that situation is and 99 per cent of the recipients are most grateful for that approach.

"But as with everything you will never please everyone."

Mr Mosen he would not reveal the number of tickets sold for the event, which has a daily capacity of 60,000, but said the promoters were "pleasantly happy" with sales.

The number of grandstand tickets sold is ahead of sales this time last year.

Hamilton mayor Julie Hardaker, who was sworn in months after the council signed a new seven-year contract with the event organiser, V8 Supercars Australia, to promote and run the event until 2017, urged people to get behind the event.

"I have to say that the V8 Supercar Australia people are very professional," she said.

"They have a lot of new events, brought in the concerts and they are doing a lot of things that are new and exciting for the event.

"What I'm wanting is for people to go, because if people go it's good for the council and it's good for the city."

Ms Hardaker said she had not been approached by Mr Smart or other business owners and urged them to contact her.

"If they would like to discuss things they need to come and see me because I would be very happy to talk with them. I am accessible."

In December, the council revealed the full cost of hosting the V8 Supercars street race was $27.4 million plus a sponsorship fee understood to be more than $4 million. It was initially sold to the public as costing about $7.95 million with a confidential sponsorship fee.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 24, 2011, 11:28:50 pm
Greetings from Melbourne! Lovely day it was today, soaked to the bone
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on March 28, 2011, 08:52:41 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4XVF3jJL5Q&feature=player_embedded

F1 related vid of Jenson Button driving Bathurst in an F1 car.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 29, 2011, 05:21:40 pm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61140461@N05/sets/72157626252316765/with/5570418152/

Some photos which I took over the weekend from the GP, have oh so many more, however these were in the first folder which I made.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on March 29, 2011, 08:09:01 pm
What happened to the meat?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 29, 2011, 08:15:38 pm
? The blurryness is because I took the photo while the camera was set up to take high speed photos, and because I'm a noob who was hungry.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/61140461@N05/collections/72157626252976125/

More photos added.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on April 11, 2011, 04:50:45 am
Just watched the race.. Did anyone tell Vettel that you aren't allowed to use KERS and DRS for the whole race? Also, I hear Petrov to Redbull next season, he already has air time... Fantastic battle between Webber and Heidfield at the end, I apologise to Heidy, as I said he was 'absolute shit' yesterday. He did fantastically well, and Petrov definitely should have finished up there as well, if only he didn't decide to go for that fly.

Nice to see Vettel, Heid and Button having a bit of a chat at the end of the race, I like it when the drivers aren't angry at each other for one thing or another.

EDIT:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/motorsport/3517588/Lewis-Vettels-a-bad-F1-loser.html

Not sure if we are going to see this bad side of him at all this season, as long as his car holds out then I'd say hes going on to win every race this season. :P
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 11, 2011, 06:16:16 am
He looks more and more like a young Schuemy.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on May 28, 2011, 04:16:12 pm
http://twitpic.com/4axpje

It'd be funny to see someone famous taking photos of themselves on billboards.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on May 31, 2011, 10:33:42 pm
dammit i'm loving the fallout over Hamilton's comments
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on May 31, 2011, 10:52:26 pm
Haha, very bad work from him, absolutely appalling, no idea what he was trying to gain there.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on May 31, 2011, 10:56:40 pm
I feel sorry for Maldonado, he was having a decent race and was doing a good job at holding him back before the restart/incident


and holy shit do Williams need those points
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on May 31, 2011, 11:02:41 pm
Yea, absolutely shitcunt thing to do, then to defend his actions is just bad.

Should have his points taken from him and given to Maldonado.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on July 10, 2011, 05:00:23 am
Get in there Websy!

EDIT: Will also be interesting to see how Paul Ricciardo does. If he can get 23rd then I would say that's a huge success, however I'd say his goal for the race will be to finish.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on July 10, 2011, 12:57:51 pm
yeah he's said that he wants to finish as his main goal, but also wants to do some overtaking



stoked webber is on pole, hopefully he can stay up front
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on July 10, 2011, 02:03:42 pm
Quote from: Speakman;1399519
yeah he's said that he wants to finish as his main goal, but also wants to do some overtaking



stoked webber is on pole, hopefully he can stay up front

All AMW needs is a start similar if not better than his last start and he should be fine.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on July 13, 2011, 03:27:13 am
Highly recommend downloading the altest ep of Top Gear simply because it has Vettel in it and he does as well in this ep as he does in every F1 race.

Rest of the episode is crap.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on July 25, 2011, 12:43:42 am
I declare this the Spork F1 thread, wtf happened to all you peeps who used to post in here?

Also, 24 laps of Nurburg so far = 24 best laps of F1 this season.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on July 25, 2011, 12:53:30 am
i reckon! glad i decided to stream it tonight. webber ftw
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on July 25, 2011, 01:14:11 am
Doubt it will work, however Australia's channel one (sports channel) stream all the F1 races.

http://one.com.au/motorsport-live-streaming.htm

Decent quality as well, and it never crashes - and while it has ad breaks - most of that ad time is not used.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on August 23, 2011, 05:04:22 pm
The season so far; brought to you by Codemasters and their latest F1 2011.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc6jWpA-03k&feature=player_embedded
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on August 23, 2011, 06:15:54 pm
^genuinely looking forward to that game. quite enjoyed 2010, plus the safety car will be epic



pretty awesome way to promo the game, by rendering a highlights package
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on August 24, 2011, 12:15:33 pm
Yea, I will definitely be looking to get it close to release.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on October 09, 2011, 08:43:51 pm
Sebastion Vettel WDC 2011.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on October 26, 2011, 09:25:02 am
Fuck - Felipe Massa is paying $60 to win the Indian GP. Now i'm the first one to bag that little gaybar loiterer, but those odds are crazy considering how competitive the Ferrari has been in the last few races. For those of you who can't stomach that, you can get a bit of action at 12's on a podium finish.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on October 26, 2011, 11:00:58 am
Quote from: TofuEater;1440276
$#@! - Felipe Massa is paying $60 to win the Indian GP. Now i'm the first one to bag that little gaybar loiterer, but those odds are crazy considering how competitive the Ferrari has been in the last few races. For those of you who can't stomach that, you can get a bit of action at 12's on a podium finish.


Wow you have issues, do you really have to shit on almost every sportsman you don't like. There's also a reason he is paying so much, the Ferrari still doesn't have the pace of either the McLarens or the Red Bulls, and Massa certainly isn't driving like he is going to win a race anytime soon.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on October 26, 2011, 09:11:28 pm
Ferrari + hard pirellis do not work at all.

I'd bet on both red bulls and one of the mclarens (probably button) for the podium
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on October 26, 2011, 09:51:29 pm
I'm betting the grandstand fall down.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on October 27, 2011, 08:33:33 am
Quote from: Speakman;1440661
Ferrari + hard pirellis do not work at all.

I'd bet on both red bulls and one of the mclarens (probably button) for the podium
Mrs Tofu came up with an interesting theory - that Button performs better outside Europe than he does in. If i get some time i'll do a bit of analysis and see if it stacks up.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on October 27, 2011, 07:13:28 pm
yay for india's back straight

(http://iforce.co.nz/i/z1zb342a.xbb.jpg)
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on October 29, 2011, 10:34:12 pm
Fuck i can't believe it. The dirty little donut puncher couldn't even keep his car on the track. Absolutely hilarious if you're a McLaren fan.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: TofuEater on October 30, 2011, 11:44:37 pm
Quote from: TofuEater;721437
Brundle: Well that wasn't the best lap of Felippe Massa's career, that's for sure.
*snigger*
Wow, this was Brundle in 2008 and Massa hasn't improved a jot in the meantime. Next time i get a stupid idea like backing him at outrageous odds, i'll look back through this thread and remind myself what a crap driver he is.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on October 31, 2011, 01:06:30 am
Hahaha, Massa, but to be fair I don't think it was his fault that the corner snapped his suspension or what ever, looks like a huge flaw on the circuit, as it was obviously causing problems in qualy as well.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on October 31, 2011, 05:54:56 am
Quote from: TofuEater;1442861
Wow, this was Brundle in 2008 and Massa hasn't improved a jot in the meantime. Next time i get a stupid idea like backing him at outrageous odds, i'll look back through this thread and remind myself what a crap driver he is.

Indeed utter shit driver Massa is isn't he, I mean he only lost the championship by 1 point to Hamilton but complete utter trash. So hows your driving skills?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on November 07, 2011, 01:00:32 pm
http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsport/story/63529.html


rage much?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on December 01, 2011, 01:06:02 pm
2012 driver list as it is right now:

http://en.espnf1.com/fia/motorsport/story/65796.html


and further analysis:

http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/65778.html
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on December 01, 2011, 03:29:39 pm
Raikkonen!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on December 01, 2011, 03:34:26 pm
yeap, I was surprised as well.

For the last two weeks it seemed like he was heading to Williams. Renault/Lotus was pretty out of the blue.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on December 01, 2011, 08:34:21 pm
Never expected him to come back to Williams, he said when he left he would only come back to a car that had a chance at winning the championship. Obviously Renault/lotus isnt there atm but the team is a hell of a lot better than Williams and are heading in the right direction. Be interesting to see what he can do as Kubica was always brilliant in an under performing car.

Will be the first time 6 F1 Champs have been in a season together, and split over 5 different teams. Schuey, Vettel, Button, Hamilton, Alonso and Kimi. Can't wait till next season, might have to make the trip to the first gp.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Hmmmgood on December 01, 2011, 08:43:28 pm
I wonder how many of these F1 tossers are off down to get their nails done and a perm after a race.

F1 = whiny boys club

MotoGP = real blokes racing

Thats right bitches,i went there :D
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on December 01, 2011, 08:48:57 pm
Quote from: Hmmmgood;1452994
I wonder how many of these F1 tossers are off down to get their nails done and a perm after a race.

F1 = whiny boys club

MotoGP = real blokes racing

Thats right $#@!es,i went there :D

Have you even looked at the f1 racers atm? Don't think half them know what a razor or a hairbrush is.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Hmmmgood on December 01, 2011, 09:04:18 pm
Yeah thats true,i just saw an interview with Hamilton the other day and laughed my ass off.

Jesus wept what a bitch.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on December 01, 2011, 09:07:26 pm
Fairly sure you would get more of a reaction trolling on an actual F1 forum, but then you'd probably get banned for it. Meh.

Good move for Renault to get Kimi, hopefully he can put in some good performances, would love to see him winning races, and maybe more. :P
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on December 01, 2011, 10:58:09 pm
Quote from: Hmmmgood;1453000
Yeah thats true,i just saw an interview with Hamilton the other day and laughed my ass off.

Jesus wept what a $#@!.

Hamiltons the exception, he seems to go out of his way to try and look pretty.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: tonybill on December 12, 2011, 06:34:04 pm
I found this forum very interesting. I like it.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on December 12, 2011, 06:36:48 pm
Quote from: tonybill;1455779
I found this forum very interesting. I like it.

I also found your post very interesting. I like it.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on December 15, 2011, 06:00:52 pm
Thank god he posted that! I don't know where I would've found my home shades and improvements.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on December 15, 2011, 06:22:32 pm
Damn it spork, every time I see someone post in this thread im expecting to hear some exciting news about next season. Twice this week now I have been disappointed.

But on another note Lotus Renaults other driver has been confirmed as Romain Grosjean, the team reported that since he last drove for them in 09(was a fill in) he has improved a lot and is a much more mature driver. He won this years GP2 Championship and the GP2 Asia championship. Hopefully the car is a bit more competitive next year.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on December 15, 2011, 06:55:55 pm
Here's some big news for ya then


Torro Rosso dropped both Buemi and Alguersuari, to have Ricciardo and Vergne (RBRs reserve) drive for them. Announced today
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xsannz on December 15, 2011, 07:15:09 pm
Quote from: Hmmmgood;1452994
I wonder how many of these F1 tossers are off down to get their nails done and a perm after a race.

F1 = whiny boys club

MotoGP = real blokes racing

Thats right bitches,i went there :D


thank god you did - i sit on my bike in the garage watching Superbikes and motogp
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on December 15, 2011, 07:22:53 pm
Quote from: Speakman;1457022
Here's some big news for ya then


Torro Rosso dropped both Buemi and Alguersuari, to have Ricciardo and Vergne (RBRs reserve) drive for them. Announced today

Awesome. Was hoping Webber would be dropped for Ricciardo tbh, even though I knew it wouldn't happen lol. Good to see him in a semi competitive car instead of the pig hrt.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on December 15, 2011, 07:26:42 pm
No way that they would gamble Webber for Ricciardo. :P Best he could've hoped for was Torro Rosso, as Vettel showed, if you are good enough (and perhaps with a little bit of luck) you can win races with Torro Rosso - also as long as they put out a good car for the year. Would love for Ricciardo to actually be decent, as TBH while Webber had potential, he never reached it, and this season he has been less than average for a second driver in the same team as the absolutely dominating reigning two times World Champion.

TBH I think after this year, Red Bull would do well to get Kubica in, as I think he could do really well in a Red Bull. (He has already managed to make his F1 fly)
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on December 15, 2011, 09:40:57 pm
Kubicas been rumored to be in talks with Ferrari for 2013 as his contract ends next year with Lotus Renault. Never thought much of Webber really, couple of seasons back was constantly crashing into others, if he wasn't on the pace he would always have something to blame looking for excuses. Bitching about his own team, claiming he had no support and the whole team was focused towards Vettel, even coming over the radio winning a race last year saying "not bad for a number 2 driver huh" just lowered my opinion of him even more.

In a car that Vettel dominated in, he only just managed to finish 3rd in the championship by 1 point, the guys a decent driver but has nothing on the likes of Vettel Alonso etc.

p.s. I think Kubica is a legend, one of the best drivers in the field. The amount of podiums he had last year in an extremely avg car shows the skill of the guy.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on December 15, 2011, 10:46:09 pm
I like webber, he's brutally honest and seems to be a pretty upfront and decent guy. He had a lot of issues at the start of the year with KERS, and he have a good start with the new tyres either (same with a lot of the other drivers, no excuse though)

Im a big JB supporter, so I'm hoping McLaren is strong from the start so he can get his second title next year


Put Kubica in Massa's place, and they'll have two drivers winning races. It'd be epic, but watch the politics get in the way
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on December 15, 2011, 11:10:32 pm
Theres a difference between being honest, and shitting on your team which is what he did most of last season. For being in F1 he isn't very professional, admittedly though he did calm down a bit in the 2nd half of this year and conduct himself more as a team player, im thinking its more due to the fact he realized he just isn't fast enough.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on December 16, 2011, 12:32:16 am
I'm not going to get into team favouritism as that argument has been done to death by everyone everywhere, but I don't think AMW deserves all the blame.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on December 16, 2011, 12:53:03 am
I agree somewhat, but you don't put your views like that out to the public. That sort of stuff is kept in house to deal with. All im saying is I don't see the guy being very professional.

Anyway, bring on next season! Still deciding if I should come over for melb or not.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on December 16, 2011, 09:08:45 am
I'd like to go over, but there is no way I could afford it
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on December 16, 2011, 11:30:19 am
I might be going, went to the last one and absolutely loved it!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on December 17, 2011, 03:24:15 pm
Hulkenburg and Di Resta for Force India next year
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on December 17, 2011, 04:48:15 pm
It's who brings the biggest cheque for a lot of those rides.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on December 17, 2011, 06:04:50 pm
Lower order yes, Lotus has said they are moving back into a more professional role having Payed drivers, not paying drivers, like Kimi. Sadly thats why Hulkenberg got dropped in favor of Maldanado. Good to see him back driving, I think hes got a chance at really going well in F1 if things pan out.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on February 09, 2012, 06:54:01 pm
Collection of the new cars that have launched so far:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16872627

Damn those nose regulations make them look foul (nose cone was lowered 55mm or so, without the top of the chassis having to be lowered.)

All to prevent this kinda thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKwoKCkB1RY
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: kilabee on February 10, 2012, 09:24:24 am
damn those cars just get uglier every year.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on February 10, 2012, 12:07:01 pm
I don't mind the new nose cone. Definitely different, but apart from that it isn't bad.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on February 10, 2012, 01:28:34 pm
http://360.io/4fwEF4

360 Panoramic view at Jerez during the first test session.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on February 23, 2012, 07:31:45 pm
[ATTACH=CONFIG]6983[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]6986[/ATTACH]

Comparison of the cars from the first test.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 11, 2012, 02:59:36 pm
One week until the first race of the season, in one of my favourite (maybe because it's the only track I've been to) venues. Albert Park.

Vettel to win it all this year?

How about Webber? Will he challenge? Or will he be up there at least?

Kimi?

Will Hamilton fight back after a mediocre season?

Find out on the next episode of F1 drama.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on March 11, 2012, 09:33:59 pm
Testing was interesting, but as always it means nothing as the teams never want to show their hand.

Picking Red Bull to be strong again obviously, but no where near the domination of last year.
Hoping Ferrari in testing has been sandbagging big time to down play their car, and pull out something special.
McLaren to be steady as usual. Button > Lewis
Mercedes to surprise a few teams and be more of a top runner.
Lotus to do well, and Kimi to have a decent first season back.

I think the front will be a lot closer than last year leading to a larger mix of people on the podium. Same with the middle of the pack with the likes of Caterham having made huge improvements, Force India to start off well, especially with Hulkenberg behind the wheel who I really rate.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on March 11, 2012, 10:31:28 pm
I'm picking this to be the running order for the year (midfield is gonna be extremely tight all year, which is good):

Red Bull (not by much)
McLaren
Mercedes
Lotus/Ferrari (pretty much equal)

Force India (regular points)
Sauber (regular points)
Williams/Torro Rosso/Catheram (occasional points)

Marussia
HRT


Button to outclass Hamilton, Massa to do terribly, Rosberg > Schumacher (again),  Di Resta/Hulkenburg to be the most interesting inter-team rivalry, Alonso to out-drive his car (for yet another season)


Gonna wait a couple of races to make a championship winner call, though. There are going to be a heap of drivers getting podiums, which is good
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: simcore on March 11, 2012, 11:07:20 pm
zomg, can we start a new thread for this season please?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 12, 2012, 12:09:39 am
What's it matter?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on March 12, 2012, 12:58:09 am
Quote from: Speakman;1474520

Red Bull (not by much)
McLaren
Mercedes
Lotus/Ferrari (pretty much equal)

Force India (regular points)
Sauber (regular points)
Williams/Torro Rosso/Catheram (occasional points)

Marussia
HRT


I reckon Force India this year will be much like Mercedes last year, where they weren't front runners, but they weren't mid field either, basically just running by themselves. Only picking for them to knocking on the door of the front runners a bit better than the what the mercs did.

To be honest I just can't wait for the start of the season, its shaping up to be a damn good year. Don't think ive been this excited about the start of an F1 season since Senna moved to Williams.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on March 12, 2012, 08:02:56 am
Quote from: simcore;1474526
zomg, can we start a new thread for this season please?

We like to see how wrong Tofu was last season.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on March 13, 2012, 05:36:02 pm
http://predictor.autosport.com

Go sign up and make your predictions. Nice little comp to enhance each race. Made a league for GetSome for anyone thats interested, link below.

http://predictor.autosport.com/league/join/code/e7161cd11173b97a22a04912e4ef074c    

After actually going through and placing who I thought will finish 1 through 10, I realized I really have no clue for the first race. Went for safety first with Vettel winning, but have Alonso 2nd and Shcuey 3rd. Still hopeful that both Ferrari and Merc have really down played their car in testing. Plus ive got $20 on Shcuey winning the championship lol with a return of $400.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on March 18, 2012, 01:58:02 am
Hamilton pole, button p2.

Button for the win? I'm thinking so, I don't think the Mercedes' or the Lotus' have the race pace to match McLaren just yet, and the Red Bulls will get through by the end of the race.


I'm picking two McLarens and a Red Bull on the podium, with Button first


Any other takers on tomorrows race?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on March 18, 2012, 01:48:57 pm
The Mercs and Lotus are meant to be the easiest on the tyres, so it should be a really close race. Button to win, Schuey 2nd Ham 3rd.

Will be great to watch the likes of Raikonnen coming through the field and Rosberg putting pressure on the guys in front after making a mistake in qualifying.  

So far my money on Schuey and Merc for the championship isn't looking too bad at all :D
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on March 18, 2012, 10:32:47 pm
Quote from: Speakman;1475665
I'm picking two McLarens and a Red Bull on the podium, with Button first

Nailed it. $10 on Button winning at $3.50 ftw
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 19, 2012, 09:46:49 pm
Pyro could've been right had Schuey finished the race.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zenith on March 19, 2012, 10:28:25 pm
Was nice to have it on at prime time.  I had lost interest in F1 since it went to sky.  
Looks like there could be some competition this season.  
Be interesting to see how the DRS system works out.  A copy of the A1GP power boost, except they had reference engines so is a good way of doing it with aeros.  Quite gimmicky thou.  Should just give them a nitro canister each of a set size, then when they use it they risk blowing the engine as well.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 21, 2012, 06:24:46 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UMrYMjuq_qs
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on March 21, 2012, 08:07:02 pm
You need to explain that Spork.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on March 24, 2012, 12:04:36 pm
any bets on when Massa will get sacked?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 24, 2012, 12:37:32 pm
Sometime this season, sooner rather than later I'd say.

I heard Kubica is a possibility?
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on March 24, 2012, 01:05:03 pm
Perez is a Ferrari young driver and has tested With them, although he probably needs a bit more experience first. Jules Bianchi is probably in the same boat, they released him to Force India to get some friday practice running

Ferrari would definitely be wise to wait for Kubica to be ready, then fling Massa into orbit. Doesn't help that their car is still shit though
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on March 24, 2012, 01:15:46 pm
If he doesnt perform again this weekend he has no excuses after getting a new chassis. Couple more races of him not finishing in the points and being a good 6-7 places down from Alonso id say will be enough for Ferrari to be knocking on Saubers door about a buy out for Perez.

This weekend the Ferrari is looking slightly better than at Melb, so I don't think the car is in that bad of shape. Just not the championship car they wanted it to be. Hopefully the newly designed chassis which will be ready in a couple of races is better.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on March 25, 2012, 02:43:40 pm
I'm picking Button again this race, his car/tyre management and race pace is fantastic


Won't be surprised to see a Mercedes on the podium, along with the #3 McLaren and one of the Red Bulls (pref Webber, he's running strong at the moment, and has adapted better to the new car than Vettel).


R.e. Ferrari, Massa got a fresh chassis, and his fastest  lap was still 2 tenths off Alonso in qualifying, even though Alonso had no KERS for his Q3 run. They both seemed to hold it together OK around the track, so they are looking better than they were last week, but will still be fighting with Lotus and the quick half of the midfield
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on March 25, 2012, 02:51:34 pm
Just watched Qualy, hopefully Mclaren either drop off, or some of the other teams pick it up just a bit, to make the season more interesting. Do not want a season like last season.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on March 25, 2012, 02:55:48 pm
McLaren sure does look strong, but they do have a solid car and two drivers in their prime feeding off each other


This weekend at Malaysia McLaren has the all-round consistency, Red Bull the race pace and Mercedes the straight line speed, all three are important quality's so I reckon it will be an interesting race and will not be surprised if Schumacher leads a couple of early laps. Lotus is right up behind them as well, Grosean looks pretty solid, as does Kimi
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on March 25, 2012, 04:20:20 pm
Nice to see Schumy being cool at the press conference last night.

Imagine how cool he will be if he gets a podium.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on March 25, 2012, 06:33:16 pm
Quote from: Zarkov;1476891
Nice to see Schumy being cool at the press conference last night.

Imagine how cool he will be if he gets a podium.


Maybe something like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOQjYCwgLdE

But seriously, would love to see Schuey back up on the podium, be nice to shut up all the idiots that said he lost it and never should of come back.

Button to win, Shcuey 2nd, Hamilton 3rd, Webber 4th, Kimi 5th.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on March 25, 2012, 08:00:59 pm
Haha.

Get a grip Shu.
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Post by: Zarkov on March 26, 2012, 09:31:24 am
Hard case race.

Enjoyed it though.
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Post by: Speakman on March 26, 2012, 07:16:59 pm
it was a great race


Kind of embarrassed for Alonso, having Perez reeling him in at the rate he was. I think we know who Massa's replacement is now...


Gutted for Button, good spread of points for the midfield teams, going to make things very interesting
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: nuf on April 03, 2012, 10:39:28 pm
very good weekend super hot
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Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on April 03, 2012, 11:54:27 pm
Some very nice photos! Looks like the track and surrounds are a lot better laid out for taking photos.

I don't think I got one photo from Albert Park last season which didn't have metal caging in it. :(
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Post by: Speakman on April 16, 2012, 11:05:39 am
I'm glad Rosberg and Mercedes got a win


I quite like that every driver has points apart from Massa (and the obvious bottom 6 drivers)
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on May 30, 2012, 04:11:55 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/2hrem.gif)

Car hardly stops moving.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on May 31, 2012, 03:21:42 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wn1EFLa2C8#!
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: fgre546 on June 26, 2012, 01:39:17 pm
im real looking forward to some shield matches over summer:love-struck::love-struck::love-struck:
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Post by: Zarkov on August 26, 2012, 09:45:38 pm
Just just watched "Senna" on Sky for the 2nd time.

I was a Prost fan at the time, Senna seemed like a young Shuey, but without the good manners and road courtesy.

No doubt he was fast though, he could qualify a dog on pole.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on September 28, 2012, 08:32:29 pm
Latest Driver Changes:

Hamilton to Mercedes
Perez to McLaren


More shifts to come. Fuck I love this end of the season


My hopes:
- Schumacher retires (he's done, 7 or so retirements this year, more than half driver error, two of which involved mounting another car under braking)
- Di Resta replaces Massa at Ferrari (he deserved a McLaren/Merc seat though)
- Massa/Algersauri to Sauber
- Massa/Algersauri to Force India
- Bottas to Williams Race Seat
- Senna to replace Petrov at Catheram (even though I like Petrov, he has no money atm, Russian Helicopters just ditched him due to lack of funds))
- Karthikeyan to die in a fire
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on September 29, 2012, 12:18:24 pm
Schumacher with more than half his retirements driver error? What season have you been watching, other than the last race and possibly the incident with Senna, everything else has been mechanical failures, or having his race destroyed by the likes of Grosjean driving into him on the first lap.

Aus - Gearbox failure, hence not being able to slow the car down quick enough and heading off at turn 1, Retired mechanical issue.
China - Pitstop error, with wheel nut not tightened. Retired mechanical issue.
Spain - Hit back of Senna.
Monaco - Fuel pick up problem. Retired mechanical issue.
Canada - DRS stuck up. Retired mechanical issue.
Hungary - Telemetry issue and overheating. Retired mechanical issue.
Singapore - Crashed into the back of Vergne.

Would love to see him go back to Ferrari for a season, getting him back in a car that isn't an absolute pig, but I can see Ferrari holding onto Massa for another year.

Looks like Hamiltons just chasing the money heading to Merc. Not sure why you would leave McLaren who is looking the strongest team to head to a struggling Merc that hasnt improved in 3 years.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on September 29, 2012, 03:47:38 pm
Was hoping to get a bite from a schu fan haha


I was a bit wrong, two retirements from driver error, but still pretty bad cockups under braking for someone of his experience  



Hamilton left because Brawn sold him on the new engine regs, and the fact Mercedes will develop the engine to their needs, and supply updates quicker than they will to the customer teams.


Personally I think McLaren and Lotus are the two best teams to be with at the moment, Red Bull are slipping (at least until Newey has his next great idea), Ferrari are so so, and Merc have work to do
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on October 05, 2012, 02:41:47 pm
Look up speedtv and go to the F1 stream.(can't remember if posting links on here is alright).

This website is the absolute fucking best! streams F1 in 5.1 sound, as high quality as your connection can handle and no commentary (can be a good and bad thing).
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on November 18, 2012, 04:47:02 pm
Like the look of the new circuit, race is tomorrow morning.

 Qualifying -

Sebastian Vettel’s progress to an inevitable pole position could not be interrupted at the Circuit of The Americas on Saturday afternoon in Austin, but it was a much closer-run thing than might have been expected.

Using a new front wing on his Red Bull that only arrived last night, he set the pace in Q3 with 1m 35.877s, with only Lewis Hamilton able to challenge him with 1m 35.928s. Then Vettel shaved that to 1m 35.657s and it was just as well that he did, as Hamilton worked down to 1m 35.766s.

Behind the lead Red Bull and McLaren, Mark Webber managed 1m 36.174s for third, a position which could prove fortuitous given expectations that the odd numbered grid positions will be favoured by the clean line to Turn One.

Romain Grosjean did a fine job to take fourth with his Lotus in 1m 36.587s, ahead of Abu Dhabi Grand Prix-winning team mate Kimi Raikkonen on 1m 36.708s. Then came Michael Schumacher on 1m 36.794s for Mercedes. The Ferraris were only seventh and ninth, with Felipe Massa consistently outpacing a troubled Fernando Alonso. The Brazilian managed 1m 36.937s to pip Force India’s Nico Hulkenberg on 1m 37.141s, while the Spaniard could only post 1m 37.300s. At the back, Williams’ Pastor Maldonado lapped in 1m 37.842s to complete the top 10.

Grosjean, however, gets a five grid-place penalty for a gearbox change, leaving the order behind the top three as: Raikkonen, Schumacher, Massa, Hulkenberg, Alonso, Grosjean and Maldonado. Schumacher was investigated for allegedly impeding Alonso at one point in Q2, but the stewards decided to take no further action.

As Vettel had again set the pace in Q2 by more than half a second from Webber, Massa and Hamilton, the session was a disaster for McLaren as Button slowed and crawled to the pits reporting loss of power.

Raikkonen bumped him from Q3, then Bruno Senna’s 1m 37.604s secured 11th for Williams. Button was left in 12th with 1m 37.616s, just ahead of Force India’s Paul di Resta on 1m 37.665s. Jean-Eric Vergne had one of his best runs of the year to 14th for Toro Rosso on 1m 37.879s, while the Saubers disappointed with Sergio Perez only 15th on 1m 38.206s from Kamui Kobayashi on 1m 38.437s and Mercedes’ Nico Rosberg on 1m 38.501s.

Vettel had also been fastest in Q1, his last-minute 1m 36.558s trumping Hamilton’s best of 1m 37.058s before the stoppage of Narain Karthikeyan’s HRT in Turn Two brought out yellows which prevented any further improvements.
Daniel Ricciardo was 18th and thus the first to fail to make it through to Q2, after lapping his Toro Rosso in 1m 39.114s.

Marussia had a race against time to repair the shattered floor of Charles Pic’s MR01 after its collision with Perez’s Sauber in FP3, which the stewards deemed to have been a racing incident. But Timo Glock and he aced Caterham, with Glock 19th on 1m 40.056s while Pic managed 1m 40.664s. Vitaly Petrov got closest to them with 1m 40.809s, with Heikki Kovalainen next on 1m 41.166s. Pedro de la Rosa was 23rd on 1m 42.011s for HRT, while team mate Karthikeyan managed 1m 42.740s before his problem arose.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Spork on November 20, 2012, 10:16:31 pm
Very nice new circuit and the result on Sunday/ Monday morning set it up to be a good showdown in Brazil. Unfortunately I am working Sunday and Monday so unless it's on early enoughg in the evening on Sunday or at a good time Monday morning I probs won't be able to watch it live.

2.30 am Monday. Damn. Looks like I'll have to watch it when I get home from work then.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Ninja on November 21, 2012, 04:48:51 pm
so we nearly at the end of the year, predictions anyone? i say vettel, looking forward to next year, should be good, 2014 onwards will be shit
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Speakman on November 21, 2012, 11:44:07 pm
Finally watched the US GP last night, Button had that track figured out, his lines through the corners to attack up the inside were brilliant. Shame the throttle fucked out in Quali and he didn't get out of Q2.


Looking forward to him leading McLaren next year
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Zarkov on April 14, 2013, 10:22:25 pm
Great race, great podium.

My head says Alonso for the championship.

My heart says Kimi.


Vettel back where he deserves to be.

A  loser who can qualify like Senna, win races like Schumacher, and doesn't deserve to be on the same racetrack as these guys.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: pyro on April 15, 2013, 02:44:42 am
Great race.

Hopefully Ferrari can keep it together development wise and keep the car going strong, same with Lotus. Nice to see Alonso finally have a car that can produce results with ferrari.  

As much as I dislike Redbull, it looks Webber won't be renewing his contract with them this year, giving Kimi a chance to move in. I believe Kimi has got a far better chance with RB to win a championship than Lotus, but its still tough considering the obvious bias in the team(more so from Marko) towards Vettel. I'm far from a conspiracy theorist but you can't help but look at Webber and think the team may have done a few things to help Vettels progress whilst effecting Webbers chances.

Regardless it looks as though this year is going to be a great championship, with Ferrari having a car that can push for the championship for the first time in a few years. Mercedes looking strong as long as they can keep up with the developments through the season. Lotus looking again like a front running with Kimi, and Red Bull at this stage not looking as though they will run away with the championship with a massively dominant car as they have the past few years.

Will be very interesting to see how this season will pan out.

My picks, Alonso to take the championship, Kimi 2nd, Vettel 3rd, Hamilton 4th.

*edit in response to Zarkov.

I had picked Vettel to be a top driver and had supported him back when he was at toro rosso and originally moved to Red Bull. But they way he has acted over the past couple of seasons my opinion of him has drastically changed. He is still a great driver(anyone that has won 3 WDC regardless of how dominant the car is, is still a top driver) but he is very childish and needs to be put in his place. I believe the reason he is the way he is, is mainly because of how dominant the car has been and he believes he is one of the greatest drivers ever in F1, which is far from right. I think this showed in the last race when he defied team orders and passed Webber believing he had the right, which showed to be the case when he told the Media that he didnt understand the orders over the radio to hold position. He reminds me of a spoiled 10yo kid thinking he has a right to whatever he wants, and hopefully this season someone like Alonso can show him how its done.

I would of loved to have seen Alonso win the WDC last year in a car that clearly for half the season was a mile off the pace, this year he has a car worthy of his skills to show what he can achieve.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Xsannz on April 15, 2013, 08:22:42 am
Bring back senna....

Even zombie senna would still drive better than some of these hobos.
Title: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Ninja on April 16, 2013, 05:07:36 pm
"Bring Back Senna"

hells yes, im just picturing how the "bad boys" like grosjean or maldonado would stack up.

on the season though ive never really been a ferrari fan, i personally would really like to see hamilton win, his and nicos pace has been pretty impressive and seems to be getting better.
i would like to see kimi win a few more just cause the press conference is hilarious

and vettel? he can fuck off... we saw last year that when his car wasn't competitive neither was he, i really want to see him put in his place.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Arseynimz on January 22, 2014, 01:08:52 pm
By way of resurrecting this thread I would like to declare "FUCK YOU VETTEL YOU LITTLE FUCK".

That is all.
Title: Re: The Official Formula 1 thread
Post by: Ninja on January 22, 2014, 01:12:24 pm
yes indeed arsey...