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General => General Chat => Topic started by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on August 19, 2013, 09:06:48 am
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Yesterday's first race saw Luna Rossa out of the race just after the start because of gear failure. And Team NZ almost went underwater, with two team members going overboard, yet still taking the win.
Second race was postponed till today because of too much wind.
Two races scheduled for today. Watch it here live form San Francisco Bay.
http://tvnz.co.nz/americas-cup-video/live-stream-america-s-5488887
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And racing is postponed because of too much wind.
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What a bloody joke the whole thing is!!
Have yet to see both boats finish a race in the final.
The holders are cheats!
Give the money to the basketballers next time
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Fuck the americas cup.
That is all i have to say.
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It's not a race against another boat.
It's more like a race to get your boat over the finish line without it falling apart.
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No its more like whos got the most millions to spend.
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What a bloody joke the whole thing is!!
Fuck the americas cup.
That is all i have to say.
Na, it's awesome.
The boats are amazing to watch when they're not breaking.
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SM's right.
It's not about fair racing, it's a contest of technology, human endeavor, business expertise etc, a bit like Formula One.
If you want a fair contest, watch Aussie super cars, Nascar. Rugby League, where the rules work to equalize the competition.
I admit it's a better competition when the rules specify boats that are more equal, but that's a cyclical thing.
The problem at the moment is that the boats are too big and expensive, and not suited to match racing, but that's Russell Coutts's fault
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No its not...the whole thing is a sham. For NZ to be racing alone, and boats to first race in the finals is fucking rediculous. They should be disqualified for not racing in the preliminaries. To be smoked by NZ technology wise and have the time to re-do your boat then race is rediculous.
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The boats are fucking fast.
They go faster than the wind. Physicks what bro? That shits nuts. Did you see team NZ nose dive into the water and nearly flip? That shit was BAD fucking AS.
I like it.
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Change the rules imo,make it so you can board the other boat and sabotage their shit.
Like pirates.
We could call it "the rape and plunder regatta" or something.
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I'd watch that
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Change the rules imo,make it so you can board the other boat and sabotage their shit.
Like pirates.
We could call it "the rape and plunder regatta" or something.
That sounds supreme - I would watch the shit out of that
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What amazing pieces of machinery. I'd ove to have a go on one of those beasts!
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Team NZ has this one in the bag.
Unless the boat breaks.
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4 - 1
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Those Italians are too busy eating pizza.
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No seriously, america's cup is fucking awesome.
It always has been, and since they bought in the AC72's it's got a real insanity about it now, which I love.
I also love how it's also just a massive pissing contest between some titans of industry (and fashion).
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Watched it today for first time, was awesome.
Team NZ was going like twice as fast as the wind, can someone please explain how the fuck that works.
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So, has this event become a laughing stock yet?
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I don't think it will mate, it's the F1 of sailing, big $$$$ for people to see fast machines.
I enjoy watching it, wish the races were a little more competitive but these fuckers are fast and defy physics!
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I don't think it will mate, it's the F1 of sailing, big $$$$ for people to see fast machines.
I enjoy watching it, wish the races were a little more competitive but these fuckers are fast and defy physics!
They don't defy physics - from memory the Sail acts more like an Aerofoil - the reason they travel faster then the wind is the area of low pressure on the opposite side of the sail actually sucks the boat forward.
This suction can propel the boat faster than the wind.
so its more like Glitching Physics really
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But they also hover.
They are flying boats with no engine that travel twice as fast as the wind.
Why can't we use this technology on the space shuttle?
I'll be watching next race.
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Another strong race by Team NZ, now 5-1. They'll well on their way to taking on USA in the America's cup.
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Another strong race by Team NZ, now 5-1. They'll well on their way to taking on USA in the America's cup.
inbeforecourtcase
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So now TeamNZ hold the Luis Vuitton cup (again) and will now take on Oracle to get the Auld Mug.
Personally while I like the idea of the new super fast boats and the extreme high-tech which goes in to them. I think the extreme cost which goes along with it which has deterred a lot of groups from taking part has really cost the competition. I think the racing would hae been more exciting if the boats were slower but actually closer together and if there had been a good pool of challengers fighting it out. as it stands it seems most of the race is decided before they get out on the water. Team NZ beat Luna Rossa and Artemis months ago during the development. Of course we don't really know how they will do head to head with Oracle until they race each other but even a small difference in boat performance will take a lot of tactics and on water skill out of play.
Next time I would like to see them bring the costs down and get a good challenger's series happening with a wide range of groups fighting it out for the right to challenge for the cup. That would only happen if we can win it off Oracle and bring it back to Auckland and then set the terms for the next event.
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Agreed varkk, having only 3 teams in the challenger's series was a bit disappointing. The round robins were almost irrelevant since all the boats were in the semi-finals anyway.
Next America's cup will be awesome if 1. A lot more teams compete, and 2. it's held here in NZ. :)
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Agreed varkk, having only 3 teams in the challenger's series was a bit disappointing. The round robins were almost irrelevant since all the boats were in the semi-finals anyway.
Next America's cup will be awesome if 1. A lot more teams compete, and 2. it's held here in NZ. :)
3. they keep the AC72's
fuck the costs, this is international match racing, we're not here to fuck spiders, this shit costs a lot of money. In modern sports shit has to cost a lot of money otherwise it isn't technically awesome enough for anyone to care. You can hardly expect people to race shit that it's at least 10x more extreme than their cellphone can you? "yeah since they introduced the no carbon fibre rule in the americas cup it's been ok I guess.....definitly not as cool as my oct-core cellphone..."
see what I mean? I've got to go out now, but ill build on this later....
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3. they keep the AC72's
fuck the costs, this is international match racing, we're not here to fuck spiders, this shit costs a lot of money. In modern sports shit has to cost a lot of money otherwise it isn't technically awesome enough for anyone to care. You can hardly expect people to race shit that it's at least 10x more extreme than their cellphone can you? "yeah since they introduced the no carbon fibre rule in the americas cup it's been ok I guess.....definitly not as cool as my oct-core cellphone..."
see what I mean? I've got to go out now, but ill build on this later....
I dont know what you mean, but I agree with you.
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3. they keep the AC72's
fuck the costs, this is international match racing, we're not here to fuck spiders, this shit costs a lot of money. In modern sports shit has to cost a lot of money otherwise it isn't technically awesome enough for anyone to care. You can hardly expect people to race shit that it's at least 10x more extreme than their cellphone can you? "yeah since they introduced the no carbon fibre rule in the americas cup it's been ok I guess.....definitly not as cool as my oct-core cellphone..."
see what I mean? I've got to go out now, but ill build on this later....
I dont know what you mean, but I agree with you.
Haha...ok so ~30 years ago formula 1, motocycle racing, and yachting compared to their modern form, were all fairly low tech, but wrist watches had a digital display! so cool things like "plastic" were still pretty neat and people watched. Now the wrist watch has been amped up, it has a high definition screen and probably 14 million cores and is so high tech it can display an analogue watch digitally. But lets say match racing was still only as cool as a digital wrist watch....you'd think "fuck this I'm gonna play angry birds instead" why would you watch something that when compared to your wrist watch came off second best?
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wot
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Bounty Hunter must be drunk.
But the boats are super cool,
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Yeah the boats are super cool, but so damn fragile. A match race should have two fast boats facing off against each other, each with different strengths/weaknesses (Maybe one is faster upwind but the other can fly past downwind). Where are the tricky sail changes as they round a mark, where are the downwind runs with massive spinnakers flying only to have someone dip it in the water as they round the bottom mark and have it slow the boat down as they frantically try to retrieve it.
The big issue with these new boats is the cost is keeping competitors from entering. How many syndicates had to pull out from this series as the cost just kept climbing and they couldn't bring in enough sponsorship to keep going? I feel a good challenger series needs at least 8 teams with it being a fairly even battle for the top 3 or 4.
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Haha...ok so ~30 years ago formula 1, motocycle racing, and yachting compared to their modern form, were all fairly low tech, but wrist watches had a digital display! so cool things like "plastic" were still pretty neat and people watched. Now the wrist watch has been amped up, it has a high definition screen and probably 14 million cores and is so high tech it can display an analogue watch digitally. But lets say match racing was still only as cool as a digital wrist watch....you'd think "fuck this I'm gonna play angry birds instead" why would you watch something that when compared to your wrist watch came off second best?
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Yeah the boats are super cool, but so damn fragile. A match race should have two fast boats facing off against each other, each with different strengths/weaknesses (Maybe one is faster upwind but the other can fly past downwind). \
Dont know if thats possible at this level. I'm sure every single piece of physics would have been computer modeled the fuck out of to get the most efficiency from every single component.
What you end up with is almost identical boats.
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Haha...ok so ~30 years ago formula 1, motocycle racing, and yachting compared to their modern form, were all fairly low tech, but wrist watches had a digital display! so cool things like "plastic" were still pretty neat and people watched. Now the wrist watch has been amped up, it has a high definition screen and probably 14 million cores and is so high tech it can display an analogue watch digitally. But lets say match racing was still only as cool as a digital wrist watch....you'd think "fuck this I'm gonna play angry birds instead" why would you watch something that when compared to your wrist watch came off second best?
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/what-the-f-tom-delonge.gif)
Yeah the boats are super cool, but so damn fragile. A match race should have two fast boats facing off against each other, each with different strengths/weaknesses (Maybe one is faster upwind but the other can fly past downwind). \
Dont know if thats possible at this level. I'm sure every single piece of physics would have been computer modeled the fuck out of to get the most efficiency from every single component.
What you end up with is almost identical boats.
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The big issue with these new boats is the cost is keeping competitors from entering. How many syndicates had to pull out from this series as the cost just kept climbing and they couldn't bring in enough sponsorship to keep going? I feel a good challenger series needs at least 8 teams with it being a fairly even battle for the top 3 or 4.
Lucky our Govt props this up as it is very important govt work.
The boats are fricken awesome but the regatta needs more handlebar moustache and red sox tbh
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NZ already said if they win it will be raced on a hydrofoil 8 man tri hull pedal boat.
Or maybe it was normal single hull boats....
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/americas-cup/9123659/Severe-penalties-for-cheating-Oracle
Oracle has been docked two race points.
On one hand, it's good for Team NZ, they only have to win 9 races to 11 for Oracle, gives them a great advantage.
On the other hand, It's might not be as fun to watch when one team has such an advantage, I prefer very close matches, more exciting.
On my third hand, if Team NZ loses despite have such an advantage, it will be lame.
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The great unknown is are the boats competitive, guess we will find out Sunday, then we will know how much of an advantage the 2 points are.
I hope the boats are evenly matched and we get to see some passing, tacking duels and the like.
Does anyone believe Coutts when he has placed ALL the blame on the sailors penalised. You can't seriously expect anyone to believe that the management had no idea the boat had been fiddled with. The amount of data they get back off those boats is mind boggling.
I thought it was really poor form for him to come out and say they/he had no knowledge of them cheating and it was all them. Shows the character of they guy and no I wasn't part of the anti Coutts brigade when he left Team NZ, as far as I'm concerned a sportsman can sell his skills to the highest bidder and so he should, it is a small window when you are at the top of any sport and make hay
This guy sums it all up well
"There is no way you can get match racing as you need to have in these boats. They are speed machines - but that's not what the Cup is about. The Cup is about duelling to a certain extent.
"This isn't yacht racing; this is display racing for television. It was made for television and declared made for television. If I have to give a man of the match award I give it to [graphics guru] Stan Honey for what he has done on the electronics because they are absolutely stupendous. Anyone can follow it, but what are we following?"
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/americas-cup/9121857/Americas-Cup-veteran-blasts-farcical-regatta
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So, has this event become a laughing stock yet?
What about now?
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What about now?
Nope. Because now we have a higher chance of winning it.
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Ah, I see.
But not really though.
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Ah, I see.
But not really though.
Surely the other team having to win two more races then us is a disadvantage to them?
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If they win it will be an empty victory.
Racing against handicapped cheaters in an event shrouded in criticism and controversy.
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In what way R?
The series will be won 9 - 1 either way.
I doubt the boats will be competitively matched. Just like with Luna Rossa it will be a clean sweep (apart from gear failure).
The only question is who has the faster boat.
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Can Oracle get it up and keep it up yet?
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Sailing is awesome.
And it's more awesome that NZ does so well in it. Looking forward to watching it.
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Me to but it is not really sailing just a drag to the first mark then protect your lead on such a tight course.
I hope we bring it home then set some realistic rule changes and get more countries involved
The boats do look awesome tho
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FUCK YEAH!
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At least it's won't be a down-trou.
Nice work that man. Apparently race 2 is in about 10 minutes.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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Imagine in the future, when the rich people are racing spaceships around asteroids.
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Man that first race was so exciting!!
Great to see them so close, but not close enough. Seems you can match race in the boats
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Yes, very exciting.
Even the race this morning, USA got in front, only to have NZ overtake them again.
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Tvnz website, why can't you stream without skipping?!
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watch it on youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/AmericasCup?desktop_uri=%2Fuser%2FAmericasCup&nomobile=1
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tuned in just in time to see us lose :/
eh, it's good for the regatta.
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Oracle were all woops and wooooohooooos after winning 1 race, that gave me the impression they may not have been expecting to win any!
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"The uploader has not made this video available in your country."
WHAT THE FUCK :mad:
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any other international links for hte racing?
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Another win to Team NZ!
Oracle played their Get out of jail free card and the second race has bee postponed.
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ahahha oracle is fucked. That was a major fisting today. If oracle can somehow turn this around and win the series they will have done some magnificent sailing, I just can't see it happening though.
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Fuck Spithill is a bitchy little cunt
"They have an edge upwind so we played our card strategically."
In other words "we're going to get our ass kicked again, so we're going to delay the inevitable by effectively cheating.
I think they should be penalised for calling a postponement when they don't have a technical issue.
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I think they should be penalised for calling a postponement when they don't have a technical issue.
I think its fine they used their card. Would have been great to have the race tho.
Just means if they have a technical issue they just forfeit the next race.
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They do have a technical issue, the issue is they are slow.
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They do have a technical issue, the issue is they are slow.
Oooooooooo Snap
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They do have a technical issue, the issue is they are slow.
I'm surprised how close they are given the design brief.
Could easily have been a huge difference in boatspeed.
Instead it's maybe a couple of knots VMG upwind.
I'm thinking TNZ had a problem when they lost a race to Oracle.
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so the youtube stream isn't available in NZ anymore and the TVNZ stream is rubbish. Anyone know of any better streams?
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Why is the TVNZ stream is rubbish?
Apart form being rubbish quality.
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Getting stuttering/pauses etc. My internet connect should be be able to play it easy.
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Your internet connection can't keep up with Team NZ, they are just too fast!
Another win!
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Ballin'
Couldn't give the smallest fuck possible about rugby/cricket.
But to be the best in the world at racing those fucking awesome AC72 catamarans is so cool.
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Nice to win a start for a change.
We wouldn't be looking so flash if the boat wasn't quicker.
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Nice to win a start for a change.
We wouldn't be looking so flash if the boat wasn't quicker.
Yeah, I've been thinking about how much of it is the team and how much of it is just the fact that the boat is better designed.
They should do what rugby does after the match and change shirts. Swap boats and see if either team are only as good as the tools.
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That's the best part of it for me.
New Zealand engineering vs the world.
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Why did Oracle cross the road...........
Because they can't sail
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That's the best part of it for me.
New Zealand engineering vs the world.
most of the yachts where built here anyways wasnt they ?
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I think so, Team NZ had some F1 car specialists involved in terms of aerodynamics vs weight etc, people called our boat big and bulky and would be slow......
NZ are clearly better sailors as well, the time in the boat shows, I havent heard Barker once ask for more form his team, it's always "great work" "clean gibe" etc where as spittle I have heard say "Come on guys we need to do better than that"
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Sicko.
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Swap boats and see if either team are only as good as the tools.
The team makes the tools.
It's a competition of boat design as well as sailing skill. Just like how Formula one is a competition of car design and driving skill.
That said, if the raced each others boats, it would make for an awesome race, i'd watch.
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Yeah, I've been thinking about how much of it is the team and how much of it is just the fact that the boat is better designed.
They should do what rugby does after the match and change shirts. Swap boats and see if either team are only as good as the tools.
I think race 6 showed we are a much slicker team then them as well. Cut down their lead pretty clinically, and capitalized once we were in the box seat. It might be a touch closer, where the boats matched, I think we would still come up trumps most races (maybe 20-30 second wins rather than near 1 minute).
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Team NZ gets it up on 2 wheels bro. In tents!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-8uQtqICyo
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Fuck what a nail biter!
2 to go!
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Another two races done. a win for USA, and a win for NZ. Good stuff.
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So did Oracle's changes really bring them up with TeamNZ or is the different conditions favouring them. They always seem to be better with the tide than against. Also does their boat prefer the choppier conditions compared to NZ?
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So did Oracle's changes really bring them up with TeamNZ or is the different conditions favouring them. They always seem to be better with the tide than against. Also does their boat prefer the choppier conditions compared to NZ?
I believe the choppier/higher winds bring the boats closer together. The lighter flat conditions hurt USA and give us that real upwind advantage.
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How to by pass the Youtube AC Block :)
1) Pick a proxy (http://www.idcloak.com/proxylist/youtube-unblocker.html#sort) that isn't either in the USA or NZ - the YT feed is blocked from both.
2) Open Internet Explorer > Tool > Internet Options > Connections > Local Area Network Settings > Proxy Server - Enter in information from #1 step
3) Restart IE
4) Connect to http://www.youtube.com/americascup -> pick a live feed (scroll down), set quality to 720
5) Once connected - disable the proxy settings within IE.
Enjoy !
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For those wanting better quality streaming and an unbiased commentary...
How to by pass the Youtube AC Block :)
1) Pick a proxy (http://www.idcloak.com/proxylist/youtube-unblocker.html#sort) that isn't either in the USA or NZ - the YT feed is blocked from both.
2) Open Internet Explorer > Tool > Internet Options > Connections > Local Area Network Settings > Proxy Server - Enter in information from #1 step
3) Restart IE
4) Connect to http://www.youtube.com/americascup -> pick a live feed (scroll down), set quality to 720
5) Once connected - disable the proxy settings within IE.
Enjoy !
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How to by pass the Youtube AC Block :)
1) Pick a proxy ([url]http://www.idcloak.com/proxylist/youtube-unblocker.html#sort[/url]) that isn't either in the USA or NZ - the YT feed is blocked from both.
2) Open Internet Explorer > Tool > Internet Options > Connections > Local Area Network Settings > Proxy Server - Enter in information from #1 step
3) Restart IE
4) Connect to [url]http://www.youtube.com/americascup[/url] -> pick a live feed (scroll down), set quality to 720
5) Once connected - disable the proxy settings within IE.
Enjoy !
THANK YOU! Will have to give this ago next time.
TVNZ stream was awful.
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How to by pass the Youtube AC Block :)
1) Pick a proxy ([url]http://www.idcloak.com/proxylist/youtube-unblocker.html#sort[/url]) that isn't either in the USA or NZ - the YT feed is blocked from both.
2) Open Internet Explorer > Tool > Internet Options > Connections > Local Area Network Settings > Proxy Server - Enter in information from #1 step
3) Restart IE
4) Connect to [url]http://www.youtube.com/americascup[/url] -> pick a live feed (scroll down), set quality to 720
5) Once connected - disable the proxy settings within IE.
Enjoy !
ah ha, I was getting buffer fucked by routing the stream through the Yemen....
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Tbh i actually enjoyed that 2nd race, close racing and both teams going hammer and tongs
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ah ha, I was getting buffer fucked by routing the stream through the Yemen....
Nepal ftw :) Just pick a server in a country with good response/bandwitdh to start with.
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It's on bitches!
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ANOTHER WIN FOR NZ
If we win the next one, the cup is ours!
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Pretty hard for them to lose it from here.
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Oracle should sacrifice a boat to take out NZ. Then we'd be screwed.
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ha fuck wonder what would happen!
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Oracle should sacrifice a boat to take out NZ. Then we'd be screwed.
Cup deed indicates that in event of such a thing happening, the race would be awarded to the other team. egro, ETNZ would win.
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/9186542/Laser-guided-smart-bomb-crushes-small-boat
The yanks have even been practicing.
Watch out TNZ!
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Egro.
E-agro.
You saw it here first.
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[url]http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/9186542/Laser-guided-smart-bomb-crushes-small-boat[/url]
The yanks have even been practicing.
Watch out TNZ!
Jesus H ! Stephen Fleming has put on a few pounds.
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So it all comes down to one race...
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In B4 the Court Case and bad loosing NZers
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Both teams sailed really well.
It was super-awesome exciting to watch.
Ah well.
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The boys did so well, hope stupid people arn't mean to Team NZ.
Couldn't have done any more than they did with the inferior resources they had.
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Great racing though, I think this will really boost the popularity of the sport.
Hell, I never used to watch it.
Interestingly, I've been keeping an eye on the San Francisco news websites over the past 3 weeks and they've been largely ignoring the race while they were losing.
Now, its front page news.
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I think it's a little sad that Oracle was an automated boat and that's what it took to beat us. Soon we will see an F1 driver with no steering wheel or pedals, just sitting in the car sipping tea as the car drives itself.
I would like to see an americas cup where every boat is identical in every way. Where everything is manual, the only thing that comes into it is pure skills and sail choices on the day, all sails regulated too.
The last half of the AC races was like godzilla at bathurst, it just wasn't a competition.
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I would like to see an americas cup where every boat is identical in every way. Where everything is manual, the only thing that comes into it is pure skills and sail choices on the day, all sails regulated too.
That is where they have gone with the Volvo Ocean Race. Everyone who competes in that will sail the same design of boat from the same builder etc. Kind of sad it knocks out the competition between designers but for cost and safety reasons it is good.
I would not really be surprised to see a new match racing regatta emerge like the Luis Vuitton Pacific series for teams who won't be able to afford $200Million+ to compete against Oracle.
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I think it's a little sad that Oracle was an automated boat and that's what it took to beat us. Soon we will see an F1 driver with no steering wheel or pedals, just sitting in the car sipping tea as the car drives itself.
I would like to see an americas cup where every boat is identical in every way. Where everything is manual, the only thing that comes into it is pure skills and sail choices on the day, all sails regulated too.
The last half of the AC races was like godzilla at bathurst, it just wasn't a competition.
Didn't this sort of happen in F1 with the Williams team having hardout pc controlled braking/stability control? I think it did, but I don't know how to google to find it out.
The world series regatta was supposed to have everyone in the same boats, but you know cheating and shit.
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Didn't this sort of happen in F1 with the Williams team having hardout pc controlled braking/stability control? I think it did, but I don't know how to google to find it out.
Yeah they did, 1992's car had active suspension, computer software controlling the suspension to keep the ride height consistent through cornering and deceleration, to retain downforce levels. It wasn't cheating as such, there was nothing in the rules preventing it, but it got banned soon after as the cornering speeds were getting unsafe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_FW14
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/05/17/banned-active-suspension/
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I am still super proud of what Team NZ did. They did well. AAAAA++++ would boat again.
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I think it's a little sad that Oracle was an automated boat and that's what it took to beat us. Soon we will see an F1 driver with no steering wheel or pedals, just sitting in the car sipping tea as the car drives itself.
I would like to see an americas cup where every boat is identical in every way. Where everything is manual, the only thing that comes into it is pure skills and sail choices on the day, all sails regulated too.
The last half of the AC races was like godzilla at bathurst, it just wasn't a competition.
No technology is what separates sport from athletics.
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LOL.
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Ok, so are we supposed to be seeing an elephant?
Because I don't mind either way, it's a cool looking elephant.
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I think it's a little sad that Oracle was an automated boat and that's what it took to beat us. Soon we will see an F1 driver with no steering wheel or pedals, just sitting in the car sipping tea as the car drives itself.
I would like to see an americas cup where every boat is identical in every way. Where everything is manual, the only thing that comes into it is pure skills and sail choices on the day, all sails regulated too.
The last half of the AC races was like godzilla at bathurst, it just wasn't a competition.
It's not like what they did was incredibly expensive or complex, we just didn't think about it. The America's Cup has always been about technology as much as seamanship, and we just didn't go far enough this time.
The first half of the races were also like godzilla at bathurst.
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That's because america couldn't sail their boat, they Physically could not foil. I wasn't until they got the $20mill SAS system installed that they could foil up and foil corner down.
Do you know the rules were changed just before the regatta started so that USA could keep up? NZ made the boat fly when people said it would be too hard, OTUSA couldn't, so they changed the rules to suit them.
When the defender can change the rules AFTER the boats are made and sailing to suit them because they cant keep up & can afford to replace half their boat, then yes it is expensive and a sham.
SAUCE: http://www.worldregattas.com/ViewInfo.php?ContentID=547
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TNZ sailed rubbish.
They'd should have sewn the thing up with races to spare, and then boatspeed wouldn't have been an issue.
How many in race penalties did TNZ get? Five.
How many in race penalties did Oracle get? Zero.
How many starts did we win? Seven.
How many did Oracle win? Eleven.
Who had the better tactician? Oracle no doubt.
Who had the better skipper? ^^^
Money had nothing to do with that stuff.
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No, you're right. Money had nothing to do with spending 50mil in 7 days when it came to testing the boat with Navy equipment.
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TNZ sailed rubbish.
They'd should have sewn the thing up with races to spare, and then boatspeed wouldn't have been an issue.
How many in race penalties did TNZ get? Five.
How many in race penalties did Oracle get? Zero.
How many starts did we win? Seven.
How many did Oracle win? Eleven.
Who had the better tactician? Oracle no doubt.
Who had the better skipper? ^^^
Money had nothing to do with that stuff.
Despite all of that, we were winning easily until Oracle threw more money at it.
ETNZ won the start and raced perfectly in the last two races, they were simply slower.
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Who had the better skipper? ^^^
Listened to Brad Butterworth this morning on the radio and he disagrees with you completely. Doesn't mean he is right,but he's probably right.
Edit: Our next boat is going to be MEGA!
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All I know is, I'm feeling withdrawal symptoms now that its over.
I want to come home every day of the year and watch ETNZ racing someone.
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No, you're right. Money had nothing to do with spending 50mil in 7 days when it came to testing the boat with Navy equipment.
From a technical point do you even know what 50 million bought them?
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new set of foils and SAS installation + people
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And a Navy flow tank.
Also, this Mega funding business is rubbish. Kim doesn't have anywhere near enough clashflow to prop up a new race. Yeah, he'd chip in a few million maybe but I can't imagine seeing any funds being thrown in from the government at the same time a yet to be trialed 'criminal' would be helping out. Kim will more than likely be gone by the time a new regatta rolls around anyway.
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No, you're right. Money had nothing to do with spending 50mil in 7 days when it came to testing the boat with Navy equipment.
On the plus side, a lot of the money ends up coming back to NZ.
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On the plus side, a lot of the money ends up coming back to NZ.
This is true. I was really anti about this whole thing before it started, but after seeing the giant effort ETNZ put in I fully support another go and back the government 100% for putting up the money they did _b
And those boats, holy crap. They are just so incredibly sexy.
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On the plus side, a lot of the money ends up coming back to NZ.
Did you read the article today about the carbon fiber?
Turns out, ETNZ asked Air NZ to use their carbon fibre molding machine to build their boat but were denied.
So Oracle payed full commercial rates to use Air NZ's carbon fibre molding machine for a full year to mold bits for their boat.
Air NZ is owned by NZ Government.
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Rumors circulating ETNZ taking the Oracle/SAS thingy to court.
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Rumors circulating ETNZ taking the Oracle/SAS thingy to court.
wouldn't be an americas cup without a court case
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Did you read the article today about the carbon fiber?
Turns out, ETNZ asked Air NZ to use their carbon fibre molding machine to build their boat but were denied.
So Oracle payed full commercial rates to use Air NZ's carbon fibre molding machine for a full year to mold bits for their boat.
Air NZ is owned by NZ Government.
Well it's a little bit complex seeing as Team NZ's main sponsor is a competitor to Air NZ.
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Well it's a little bit complex seeing as Team NZ's main sponsor is a competitor to Air NZ.
Snide comment about Air NZ aren't competition for Emirates....
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Rumors circulating ETNZ taking the Oracle/SAS thingy to court.
Daulton on Radio sport now.Has said no grounds,no chance.
Edit also no money
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Well it's a little bit complex seeing as Team NZ's main sponsor is a competitor to Air NZ.
Where did I say I did not agree with Air NZ not allowing Emirates to use it.
The point is, NZ getting heaps of money from Oracle.
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We build the best boats.
Kiwis also world leaders in sore losing.
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We build the best boats.
Kiwis also world leaders in sore losing.
I thought we handled this one quite well actually.
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Not me.
Want to stone them when they get back.
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Cats can't throw rocks.
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So if zee fat german sponsors TNZ for the next challenge, will he expect a space upon the boat ? If so, what role ? ballast ?
I can see the cat with one hull in the air the moment he steps on (the other side).
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Kdot doesn't have enough cash to fully fund it. If anything it would just be a small (less than 10mil) contribution in order to win some public favor (which he has been pretty good at recently).
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Cats can't throw rocks.
They can, but if they live in glasshouses, they shouldn't.
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When i was working on the Americas cup 2010 challenge you could really see the difference in funding.. even back then.
A design stuffup led to Oracle just biffing four booms into the trash at an estimated value of $500k each, TNZ had a minor malfunction in the autoclave causing air-gaps in the carbon, and they were desperately trying to fix it as they didnt have the $$$ to stump up for entire new booms by the time the fault was detected... it was only after Emirates funded more cash that they scrapped the two faulty booms and one mast..
Even now.. the amount of cash being poured in by Oracle vs ETNZ is astounding.. the fact that Oracle were able to just slap another $50M American onto their boat in seven days is not just impressive by an expenditure standpoint.. but a labour standpoint. Seriously, an extra $50 MILLION of Equipment fitted to a BOAT in SEVEN DAYS, they would have had people dedicated to working on this shit 24-hours during that 7-day period.. ETNZ wouldnt have had the money for the facilities in San Fran, let alone the workforce..
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When i was working on the Americas cup 2010 challenge you could really see the difference in funding.. even back then.
Team NZ wasn't involved in the 2010 AC. Also I haven't seen a source on the $50million spent in one week that doesn't refer back to the 'some Indian guy on talkback' post on whaleoil.
TVNZ commentators were saying before that the rumours were it was about $10million in one week. Now everyone is taking the $50million figure as gospel.
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Team NZ wasn't involved in the 2010 AC. Also I haven't seen a source on the $50million spent in one week that doesn't refer back to the 'some Indian guy on talkback' post on whaleoil.
TVNZ commentators were saying before that the rumours were it was about $10million in one week. Now everyone is taking the $50million figure as gospel.
Yeah I was gonna begin calling people out on their $50 million source.
Especially seeing as it started at 10 million, then went to 20 million, then 50 million, and now people are claiming like 3 billion.
Soon it'll be all of the money in the world.
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Larry Ellison spent All The Money In The World to create a time machine, he bought back spaceship engineer Montgomery Scott from the year 2270 and set him working 24 hours a day during that 7 day period on making the boat go faster.
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2 foils round $2mill a pop, SAS which was said to be $20mill????, SOS flights for 5 from NZ plus labour and time etc.
Total = $69 Billion
You read it here first peeps.
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I'd always trust Growler's word over facts. Because facts don't have bacon.
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Kim Dotkom will put 100 billion in and save us.
Because a file upload website is worth way more than a stupid multi-national corporation called 'Oracal' or something.
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Kim Dotkom will put 100 billion in and save us.
Because a file upload website is worth way more than a stupid multi-national corporation called 'Oracal' or something.
it'd be LOLOL if MEGA dropped all it's oracle licenses.....
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How is Dot com still earning mega bucks? what's his current source of income?
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How is Dot com still earning mega bucks? what's his current source of income?
He's so big, he generates his own interest.
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He's so big, he generates his own interest.
Just don't see how he can front up soo much cash into something that will likely net him fuck all.
Although.. if we win enough races causing the Americans to pay him to throw in the towel once or twice, he could be a very rich man.
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How is Dot com still earning mega bucks? what's his current source of income?
Not serious about bankrolling IMO.Just grabbing another headline in his epic struggle to the death with John Key
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He has more serious delusions of grander than that