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General => General Chat => Topic started by: Apostrophe Spacemonkey on March 18, 2013, 06:34:18 pm
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I was visiting a mall in Denver and came across a Tesla showroom.
This it a pretty awesome car. Fully electric, 0 to 100 in 5.9 seconds, a range of about 450km, plugs into a standard wall outlet.
The battery takes up the entire bottom of the car, and the motors sit between the rear wheels.
Because there is no complex petrol engine, there is storage under the hood as well as in the back.
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http://www.teslamotors.com/models/features (http://www.teslamotors.com/models/features)
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Tell me about the snow in Denver? Do you like that shit?
Go to Vail.
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No, I didn't like snow.
As an Aucklander, I can't handle that shit.
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You're in the suburbs?
Go hit up 16th street. They call it a mall, but is really just a street.
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Yesterday I watched the St Patricks Day parade (it sucked), then went to 16th Street for lunch (it was great).
But I'm down in south Denver for work. Going back to NZ on Wednesday.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tycnxplKGHE
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Go here http://www.wingsmuseum.org/
Its awesome.
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Go here [url]http://www.wingsmuseum.org/[/url]
Its awesome.
That looks cool.
I won't have time this time, but I might be coming back in a months time, so I can go then.
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The aquarium is also ok, not as awesome as planes, but still ok.
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Top thread. Will read again.
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Monkey just wants to appease Elon Musk.
edit: I was hoping this thread was about the father of the modern world.
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That guy is a wanker.
Cool tech car though.
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Car is fucking awesome.
Why is this tech not mainstream?
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Expensive. Low yield. Oil.
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The car is expensive, between US$52,000 to US$87,000.
And its range is impressive for an electric car, but it wouldn't get you from Auckland to Wellington on a single charge, you need to stay a night in Taihape.
Not available yet in NZ anyway, but it will be in Australia at the end of this year.
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Still waiting for the aquada, don't give a crap about electric cars.
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Car is fucking awesome.
Why is this tech not mainstream?
Because if I have a choice between a $50,000 car that can do everything that I need it to do and an $80,000 car that can't do everything I need it to do - I am going to choose the $50,000 car...
personally I think the whole Electric Car idea (with current battery technology) is a pipe dream. I have some ideas, but these aren't public forum ideas.
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Because if I have a choice between a $50,000 car that can do everything that I need it to do and an $80,000 car that can't do everything I need it to do - I am going to choose the $50,000 car...
personally I think the whole Electric Car idea (with current battery technology) is a pipe dream. I have some ideas, but these aren't public forum ideas.
Electric Cars are the future.
The cost of petrol will gradually increase, while the cost of battery technology will come down. There is a point (and I think not too far off) where electric cars will be cheaper, then demand for them will soar.
Also, what does the Tesla not do that you need it to do?
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Electric Cars are the future.
The cost of petrol will gradually increase, while the cost of battery technology will come down. There is a point (and I think not too far off) where electric cars will be cheaper, then demand for them will soar.
Also, what does the Tesla not do that you need it to do?
Refuel from empty in less than 5 minutes - which means any long distance journey above the initial range of the Tesla requires a recharge stop which takes either an Hour (on supercharge) or overnight (full recharge)
Its not the cost or the weight of the Electric/battery cars that is the issue. its the recharge time of the car.
My main thing with Electric cars is that they are trying to be just that - an Electric car - I personally believe there is a solution but as above - its not one that I will discuss in public.
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My main thing with Electric cars is that they are trying to be just that - an Electric car - I personally believe there is a solution but as above - its not one that I will discuss in public.
Why not? What is the big secret?
If Range is an issue, a Holden volt is always an option.
New Zealand is pretty small, that's a benefit to having an electric car, for most people range will not be a big issue.
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Electric Cars are the future.
The cost of petrol will gradually increase, while the cost of battery technology will come down. There is a point (and I think not too far off) where electric cars will be cheaper, then demand for them will soar.
Also, what does the Tesla not do that you need it to do?
There was a battery conference in the states not long ago (2 months? - trying to find a link with some info) where they were discussing what format future cars will take, all graphs currently tell us that with the leaps and bounds in ICE economy and the new type of batteries coming out the "micro" hybrid will be the best option, this is a car with start/stop, a little bit of regen braking and maybe a small DC motor. they also discussed the possibility of increasing car voltage to 48v
Lithium is simply too expensive, the pressure on the grid would be too high (unless fusion actually works in the next few years - but the implications of that are far greater than what car we drive), the full electric vehicle will be a niche market of extremists
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Why not? What is the big secret?
If Range is an issue, a Holden volt is always an option.
New Zealand is pretty small, that's a benefit to having an electric car, for most people range will not be a big issue.
PM sent with my view point
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Issue of going electric isnt that important. What is more important is the generation of the power for the vehicle. There is no point having electric cars if the power for them comes from coal power stations. All it does is move the point source of the pollution.
However, if we had power generation though an entirely renewable & sustainable grid, then we are talking.
Also, SM, Highlands Ranch?
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Issue of going electric isnt that important. What is more important is the generation of the power for the vehicle. There is no point having electric cars if the power for them comes from coal power stations. All it does is move the point source of the pollution.
However, if we had power generation though an entirely renewable & sustainable grid, then we are talking.
Also, SM, Highlands Ranch?
That's where micro-hybrid wins.
and if it doesn't, this might. https://lasers.llnl.gov/about/missions/energy_for_the_future/index.php
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Why not? What is the big secret?
If Range is an issue, a Holden volt is always an option.
New Zealand is pretty small, that's a benefit to having an electric car, for most people range will not be a big issue.
What we really need are electric helicopters.
You wouldn't be around to care if you tried to go that extra mile before recharging then.
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Range is not really in issue in NZ. That battery has 600km range. Stop for 30min lunch, supercharge, you get a couple of extra hundred kms. On the ferry, supercharge and get extra kms. Full charge in garage overnight with a timer set to charge on off peak power at 11pm.
Power generation won't be an issue. This will be an exceptionally slow transition. As electric cars slowly filter to the second hand market and become more popular, combustion cars will get cheaper and cheaper thus slowing their demise.
Micro hybrid may be the popular option for the next short while, but if cars still contain internal combustion engines in another 50 years ill be very disappointed in humanities lack of sci-fi ness.
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PM sent with my view point
Interested too, forward if possible please
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Holden Volt - EV with onboard petrol generator that requires premium petrol <--- I kid you not.
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Range is not really in issue in NZ. That battery has 600km range. Stop for 30min lunch, supercharge, you get a couple of extra hundred kms. On the ferry, supercharge and get extra kms. Full charge in garage overnight with a timer set to charge on off peak power at 11pm.
Power generation won't be an issue. This will be an exceptionally slow transition. As electric cars slowly filter to the second hand market and become more popular, combustion cars will get cheaper and cheaper thus slowing their demise.
Was reading an article the other day about ranges of EV's and how cold weather can effect them (badly), let's see if I can dig it out.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/10/automobiles/stalled-on-the-ev-highway.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
Bugger me it was a Tesla.
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Holden Volt - EV with onboard petrol generator that requires premium petrol <--- I kid you not.
What about it?
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Range is not really in issue in NZ. That battery has 600km range. Stop for 30min lunch, supercharge, you get a couple of extra hundred kms. On the ferry, supercharge and get extra kms. Full charge in garage overnight with a timer set to charge on off peak power at 11pm.
Power generation won't be an issue. This will be an exceptionally slow transition. As electric cars slowly filter to the second hand market and become more popular, combustion cars will get cheaper and cheaper thus slowing their demise.
Micro hybrid may be the popular option for the next short while, but if cars still contain internal combustion engines in another 50 years ill be very disappointed in humanities lack of sci-fi ness.
If you swap electric for micro-hybrid in your above post, you're on track.
Full electric will be a fad, it's a niche, much like supercars.
Not everybody owns them because they're super expensive, aren't very practical, but those who do feel good about themselves.
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You think petrol will last forever?
I agree with Berg. 50 years from now cars will all be electric.
That or zombies.
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What about it?
Why does a generator need premium petrol ? You are paying about 5% more for 98 over 91.
Also have a look at the review of the Vauxhaul Ampera (aka Holden Volt)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX51lGv_rr8
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It takes 95.
And it's probably for the same reason normal cars need it.
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95 isn't 5% more than than 91, is closer to 2% given the 2.18 and 2.22 price from my local.
Using what your engine is tuned to makes the price point negligible although 98 is a crock of shit pricewise imo.
I just bought a brand new VW Polo, 5.3L/100k avg, the little 1.2 turbo is throwing out 160nm @ 1500 rpm, pretty nippy.
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You think petrol will last forever?
No but I think petrol will last longer than it'll take to magic up enough lithium and to find a viable power source, especially at proposed micro-hybrid rates.
In 50 years, yeah probably, but in the mean time it's more economically viable to develop a micro-hybrid, I think we're looking at two different time periods here...but I'll carry on with my explanation.
The car companies compare costs down to the ten thousandth cent because as you can imagine when you do a large production run those cents start adding up, so to throw away ICE altogether and start fresh on electric would cost a fortune per unit as exemplified above.
They're not even sure what format the batteries will take, Johnson Controls are pushing for a 48v lithium attached to a 12v lead acid (which I know more about than I can explain - hehe that feels so cool! - sorry new engineer) but that's more of a proof of concept.
I know all the tech blogs are yarning about EV, but they're a bit off the mark really.
I worked in the industry over summer which I realise doesn't make me all knowing, but just from what I've seen I think it'll go micro-hybrid long before it goes full EV.
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I'll wait to see tiwanking necro this thread in 10 years time to validate but I suspect that in the near future we'll have more focus on hybrids running off biodiesel and ethanol blends.
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also thread title is a lol
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also thread title is a lol
I know good england
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Hey I already use an ethanol blend, so I'm way ahead of the curve!
admittedly its Gull E10 (98) in a V8.
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Tesla Model S: Best car ever.
http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2013/05/video-the-tesla-model-s-is-our-top-scoring-car.html
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Seen the movie "Revenge of the Electric Car"?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1413496/
Well worth the watch!
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Tesla Model S: Best car ever.
[url]http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2013/05/video-the-tesla-model-s-is-our-top-scoring-car.html[/url]
lol whatever, if I had $90k USD to spend ona car this wouldn't make the top 10
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Why are we arguing about charge time? Why not just swap out the battery?
Now coming to Tesla stations...
http://www.teslamotors.com/batteryswap
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Why are we arguing about charge time? Why not just swap out the battery?
Now coming to Tesla stations...
[url]http://www.teslamotors.com/batteryswap[/url]
That's awesome. Electric cars are the future.
However I'm sure fuel pumps are much faster then that, or that Audi has one humongous fuel tank.
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Why are we arguing about charge time? Why not just swap out the battery?
Now coming to Tesla stations...
[url]http://www.teslamotors.com/batteryswap[/url]
Every 70 miles which also happens to be the distance between boost points for the hyperloop....oh and look there's an excess of power at those points which will need to go somewhere....oh look a fleet of cars which need charging....oh look a company specialising in PV panels to go on top of the hyperloop.
Mighty convenient that the tax payer pays for all of that....
Seriously awesome idea, Musk will be the worlds richest man if the US makes the logical decision to go with his design, which is never guaranteed in america.
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Frankly he deserves to be the richest man.
The more billions we give to him, the more he has to revolutionise space travel.
And of course, if finish building his Iron suit which he will wear to fight villains and defend us from Thor's evil brother.
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oil companies and other cars companies will be pissed - because Tesla is doing what each of the oil companies and car companies have always wanted - to make the cars and then own the stations that provide the fuel for their vehicles - own the whole supply chain
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Well, Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee is convinced.
Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee says his scepticism about electric cars has all but disappeared after he took a spin along the Los Angeles coastal freeway in an electric sports car.
I've been somewhat of a sceptic around electric vehicles. I don't want to say I'm a total convert but I've been incredibly impressed by the technology that I've seen.
When you've got a car that can perform to the sort of specifications that I saw at the Tesla factory you could just see that we're not too many years off there being quite a significant percentage of electric vehicles in our fleet.
(http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/201333/SCCZEN_130813SPLBROWNLEE_460x230.jpg)
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10912082
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he doesn't mind stopping every 70 miles... For donuts
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That is a fat man. He looks like a bowling ball with legs.
No doubt we paid for him to go there and have a cruise....
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Model S will be able to steer to stay within a lane, change lanes with the simple tap of a turn signal, and manage speed by reading road signs and using active, traffic aware cruise control.
http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/dual-motor-model-s-and-autopilot (http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/dual-motor-model-s-and-autopilot)
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Well, Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee is convinced.
Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee says his scepticism about electric cars has all but disappeared after he took a spin along the Los Angeles coastal freeway in an electric sports car.
I've been somewhat of a sceptic around electric vehicles. I don't want to say I'm a total convert but I've been incredibly impressed by the technology that I've seen.
When you've got a car that can perform to the sort of specifications that I saw at the Tesla factory you could just see that we're not too many years off there being quite a significant percentage of electric vehicles in our fleet.
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[url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10912082[/url] ([url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10912082[/url])
"I went and took a drive in a super fancy car along the coast line of LA using your [tax payer's] money. It was great, you should all get these super expensive cars!".
Fucking fat cunt.
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All new Tesla cars will be self driving.
We are excited to announce that, as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver. Eight surround cameras provide 360 degree visibility around the car at up to 250 meters of range. Twelve updated ultrasonic sensors complement this vision, allowing for detection of both hard and soft objects at nearly twice the distance of the prior system. A forward-facing radar with enhanced processing provides additional data about the world on a redundant wavelength, capable of seeing through heavy rain, fog, dust and even the car ahead.
https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware (https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware)