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Games => First-Person Shooter => Counter Strike => Topic started by: Growler on March 03, 2009, 11:32:39 am
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Server Changes, my thoughts.
just voicing some thoughts, figured i would share with the CS crew.
Time to drop the servers back to old skool ICONZ servers.
2 servers, both 16 or 20 players. Default map rotation. 20 mins per map.
No ingame rank available other than the mani based 1.
FF ON, this is a major draw-card for ICONZ. DD24/7 is hurting ICONZ more then it is helping.
Trust me when i say this, if you build 2 QUALITY, default rtation, FF on servers, the numbers WILL come back. Its time to go back to quality basic then catering for the ICONZ 'elite'
With ICONZ on the possible backdoor, look to be pro-active and make some changes that could benefit the community with numbers.
If you do go back to 2 vanilla servers, you need to have a pop up ingame message every 5-10 mins about the forums, this is easily added via mani setup.
Way back when I was involved with CS and Iconz, I fought black and blue to get back to our roots of good quality servers, the day we (ICONZ) went to HLSTATSX was the day quality dropped.
summary
2 x 16-20 slot servers.
FF ON
Default Map Cycle
NO INGAME STATS, drop HLSTASX and either use the inbuilt mani stats or Psychostats (the only true skill based stats)http://www.psychostats.com/downloads/ if stats HAVE to be used.
More in game advertising.
Way back when, ICONZ used to be one of the busiest CS places around, in game and in the forums. You could be waiting for 20+ mins to get into one of the full servers. None of this 24/7 dust crap and non stop spawn camping, people played to pwn and win, not to rank up like whores.
Yeah losing ranks might lose some people, better to lose some and gain more in the long run, then to keep your slice of the pie so small that no one cares who or what you are. Make ICONZ the CS force it USED to be!
end of ramble, have a good one.
Cheers, G
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CSS Sucks who would play it.
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I disagree. CSS is an oldish game now. It's expected that less people play it. I've grown to like the dust2 server. Sure it gets stacked most of the time and people just awpwhore, but at least it fills the server.
Maybe you could change the other servers. I highly doubt people will play in them anyway. If Dust2 went away people would just go play Recoil 24/7 or whatever. If stats went away heaps of people would stop playing because people find them interesting.
About stats. Resetting them wouldn't go amiss.
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I ask this honestly void, do you not think the DD24/7 just caters to a minority of regular rank whores?
Always the same people playing, camping, rank whoring. New people come along, play for 5 mins, get sick of the same tards doing the same thing and fuck off to go play on another server hosted by another company.
I dont know if you were round before hlstatsx came in, but the servers were truly magic, full, fun environments. Hem! was round, atvar and his whores frequented, they were funtimes, and the game was played how it was designed to be played.
IMO ICONZ has just fallen into a rut and to get out of it, its gonna upset some of the rank whores.
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Always the same people playing, camping, rank whoring. New people come along, play for 5 mins, get sick of the same tards doing the same thing and fuck off to go play on another server hosted by another company.
You just described my current behaviour on the ICONZ CSS Dust server perfectly.
Go on for 5 minutes. See the same camp whores (Spray'N'Wipe + Hung Hing) on T's holding spawn, same idiots (Void) spewing their rage and the same tards complaining of AWPs. It takes me about 5mins to get sick of it and move on to GameArena.
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Everything that you said Growler except for I would ditch the dust2 24/7 in my opinion, and also add a deathmatch server , I know we tried this earlier but we didn't give it a real good chance to get up and running and had teething problems and that led it to being deleted.
Because of whats happening at the moment with Iconz http://forums.iconzarena.com/showthread.php?t=48701 go here dudes and have your input just dont be tossers. I feel if we dropped down to min Servers as the rest are not getting used. Saves on bandwithe
1 x 20 slot Popular Server
1 x 20 slot Vanilla Server
1 x 20 slot Deathmatch Server
All Friendly Fire enabled.
Stats or Rank not fussed .
The pro's of having Rank is that guys that are average players but are regulars to the Servers can still rank high because they play more on the Server which gives them some type of reward.
The pro's for Stats are they are exactly what they say they are which is a better reflection on how you are playing etc .
Ideas people but Growlers on the right track so all in favour say "I"
"I"
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hahah did i not make it clear about DD24/7
drop it, make it history, BEGONE!
I help run and maintain a GGDM server on another provider, its ingame player numbers put ICONZ to shame in its current form.
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This is just a FYI.
other provider of CSS GGDM
Tracking 36,682 players with 14,694,620 kills and 4,233,955 headshots (28.81%) on 2 servers
ICONZ as of current
Tracking 19,927 players with 1,472,398 kills and 625,824 headshots (42.50%) on 4 servers
That is some pretty huge differences in numbers. Almost double the player base, 10 x the kills, half the servers. And to be perfectly honest, its the most laid back under policed and resourced place around. The effort that goes into running it and admin' it is very little at best.
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Ive just started playing CSS again after a bit of time out, seriously, used to love the Iconz servers and the FF is the major reason I play it, as well as the crossover between the servers and the forums, BUT seriously, CSS was never meant to be a single map game, DD2 24/7 is by far the worst idea for a server anyone ever had.
Would love to see Iconz go back to the map rotation normal css servers, and sure a deathmatch one would be awesome as well, i get a little sick of the GA one.
And as someone said in the saving Iconzarena thread, there is no point having 5 servers to only use 1, get 2 or 3 really good servers and get them used. Ill sure use them
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Always the same people playing, camping, rank whoring. New people come along, play for 5 mins, get sick of the same tards doing the same thing and fuck off to go play on another server hosted by another company.
Sounds like me, I get sick of the same map over and over.
Rotation with all maps would be good, I'd join it more often than I join the current dd2 24/7 server.
I don't see the point in having two of the same servers up and running straight off, if it's popular you could add another server up but I think it would be better to do what hemi suggested and have a deathmatch or popular maps server.
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How many times in the last year or so have we tried to get the other servers populated? It lasts for a map or 2 and then it empties again... I'd love to see the old times back, but the bulk of the players from those days no longer play, and the new guys seem to love 24/7.
Don't get me wrong I'd love to see this work, and I would certainly be on a lot more than I am now, but from the number of times we have tried and failed to get the old style servers going... I'm just not sure if Iconz css would stay alive if we ditched the 24/7 server.
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take a gamble and ditch it/them and do the GGDM + Vanilla.
Worst case scenario you can always fall back to DD24/7
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CSS Sucks who would play it.
Then why are you in the CS:S forum?
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bring back pricey!!!!
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"I" miss the old times.
Tried to have a game of CSS about a month ago and all the servers I could find with a decent amount of ppl in them were either Dust24/7, Office 24/7, Assault 24/7, Gungame 24/7 and some rubbish prison break crap. I gave up.
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If you build it they will come...:rnr:
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It worked for Kevin Costner.......
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If you want to get the hard core players and the old school you need to have maps they will both play. Example, dd2, inferno, nuke, train (scrim maps) and maybe italy for the lols. Im keen as for that server:bigglasse
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"I"
Agree with everything in the OP.
Would play lots more iconz if it wasn't just dd2 24/7. I to join and then rage cause of the same old rank whores camping t spawn etc.
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i had to update a srcds (sorce server) yesterday to create some nav files. Fuck me i almos had a heart attack when i saw the map names. I wa slike wtf, PORT fuck me the last time i played those maps would of been a year or so ago! Piranesi, port, inferno prodigy, malitia, tides....
man i would so like to go back to old skool servers and nut it out on maps like port, malitia and that again.
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If you want to get the hard core players and the old school you need to have maps they will both play. Example, dd2, inferno, nuke, train (scrim maps) and maybe italy for the lols. Im keen as for that server:bigglasse
bro there is servers there for that man..
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I ask this honestly void, do you not think the DD24/7 just caters to a minority of regular rank whores?
Always the same people playing, camping, rank whoring. New people come along, play for 5 mins, get sick of the same tards doing the same thing and fuck off to go play on another server hosted by another company.
I dont know if you were round before hlstatsx came in, but the servers were truly magic, full, fun environments. Hem! was round, atvar and his whores frequented, they were funtimes, and the game was played how it was designed to be played.
IMO ICONZ has just fallen into a rut and to get out of it, its gonna upset some of the rank whores.
It does cater to rankwhores. I'm not keen on rankwhores however i'm scared that by removing rank a lot of players will stop playing and go play somewhere else with rank. Meaning basically instead of at least having a full server, it'll barely ever be full. As for rank I like it. I hate the points system and the whole i'm #1 ranked harhar crap. I love watching my KPD ratio increase over time as you get better. I love seeing that i've killed nubbles 14 times and him only killed me 7. Seeing i've killed Jinx 11 times and he's killed me 12 (that's not bad against him, you have to admit) Nice seeing how many of my kills are headshots. I think it makes playing more interesting. Maybe you could use a new stats system if they are better.
I was playing before hlstats for a while and I agree (even with my 9fps) I could tell the server was better performing. I loved the days of playing on levels like Port, Tides, Nuke, etc. with a full iconz server.
I don't disagree with you. I'm just not sure that enough people actually WANT to play other maps. But hey, it's worth a try. Maybe even just for a week. I really think Iconz could ditch a server. I agree with the deathmatch server idea. Maybe have a ranked and unranked rotation server with the current faves list/scrim maps whatever and a deathmatch one. Keep gungame perhaps though no one plays it. Take away dust2 for a week and see if it helps. If not just bring it back.
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I cant recall the last time i saw a server (NZ decent ping, reliable host) that just had vanilla CS on it.
Persoanlly id love to see Iconz drop all servers for 2 weeks, and just run 1 default rotation 20 slot server (20 min maps) with just mani stats (this caters your kpd, % etc) and see how things go numbers wise over that 2 weeks.
I tell you now, i would play it every night with much joy! I would giggle like a school girl!
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I love Pirenesi, Port, Tides, Prodigy etc.
What the hell is malitia (edit: is that the one with the house and the hosties in the garage?).
I like Italy too so long as i'm a terrorist on it haha. Gotts love the unbalanced hostage maps.
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Would be awsome to see all the old servers come back to life bcuz people rather play on them beacause they are not stuck on the same old maps all the time.....
I play Gamearena popular bcuz of the fact it has a map rotation and is not stuck on dust2 24/7.....
the players will come back if the dust2 server dies......
Before the hlxstats the servers wer always full there was no rank whores.....
and every1 just played the game for fun.....
I say they should go back to the old ways.........
The old ways are always sucessfull.....
:rnr:
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Piranesi, port, inferno prodigy, malitia, tides....
man i would so like to go back to old skool servers and nut it out on maps like port, malitia and that again.
Oh man so true,
id love it to go back to old skool iconz, when i get my new machine id so be there.
beginning to reminisce now =')
Doing the mad rush along the parapets of Piranesi, gunning down a couple op's with the TMP, before getting flashed to shit.
Crazy times, crazy times...
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Oh man so true,
id love it to go back to old skool iconz, when i get my new machine id so be there.
beginning to reminisce now =')
Doing the mad rush along the parapets of Piranesi, gunning down a couple op's with the TMP, before getting flashed to shit.
Crazy times, crazy times...
Man wasn't that hard case , it was like as if you had painted your screen gloss white and sometimes it would last the whole map and you were killed after the first flash but because you kept going onto the live players on your auto director they were flashed as aswell so there was no escape rofl!!!
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Dust 2 24/7 is the pits.
Caters for awpwhores and rankers is all.
They have no loyalty to ICONZ anyway, it's just kids home from school who get Dust 2 24/7 up and running.
When we get home from work, it's the ICONZ de facto game for the evening till there's enough to get another server going.
If that's the best we can do, we might as well not host CS.
I'm biased of course.
It's the only FPS I can play.
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Zarkov, it's very few and far between that we agree, but for once. HIGH FIVE!
I think your loyalty statment holds true as well. Good valid point.
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+1 for Growlers idea.
Ditch the server for 2 weeks just as a trial.
All the iconz regulars will have no choice but to join an iconz vanilla server. (Sure they can go to another server, but they wont get the same iconz gaming experience ;) )
Priority wise, thats what i'd do anyway.
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Ahh... The old days, the days of Tiwa's tent, Netherai, DDM actually played, the legendary ace, soulroll bragging about his score, map variation, rock the voting at Havanna, rock the voting dropped, everyone realised that meant we had to play havanna, rock the voting reinstated, awps being restricted, having to actually BUY ammo, throwing empty guns at noobs, ramp access for 30+, Most Wanted and their rages, Sancho Milk and their raiders,
and finally, when ICONZ was fun.
:')
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I'd hate to tell you this pix, but i still do play!
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Haha, sorry DDM, guess I just don't see you on very much? :o
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Ahh... The old days, the days of Tiwa's tent, Netherai, DDM actually played, the legendary ace, soulroll bragging about his score, map variation, rock the voting at Havanna, rock the voting dropped, everyone realised that meant we had to play havanna, rock the voting reinstated, awps being restricted, having to actually BUY ammo, throwing empty guns at noobs, ramp access for 30+, Most Wanted and their rages, Sancho Milk and their raiders,
and finally, when ICONZ was fun.
:')
Don't be a hater :), I remember back in the day when you used to stack iconz like the rest of them :D.
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are any admins goign to comment on this? taken into consideration, being discussed, fuck off freak?
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we're discussing it in the Admin area man..using your ideas and some of our own.
:D
so dont worry we actually do...do something :P
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good man!
nice to hear you are taking note! now hurry the fuck up ;)
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2 servers? Great.
But make them one of them a smaller one, like 14p.
20 just gets messy IMO, it detracts from my funtime.
and...
Add a 14 player GG Team DM server that doesn't play shit maps.
So three servers.
WINNING COMBINATION!
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iconz private pug server FTW!
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2 servers? Great.
But make them one of them a smaller one, like 14p.
20 just gets messy IMO, it detracts from my funtime.
and...
Add a 14 player GG Team DM server that doesn't play shit maps.
So three servers.
WINNING COMBINATION!
Dropping them down to 14 players in my opinion would be worse , means you would have to wait even longer to get into the Server , sometimes we get steam friend messaged or msn'd and sometimes even txt'd about a hacker or tosspot and we cant even get into the server to sort the problem out.
Go back to the 20 slot , the only reason why we dropped it down to 16 slot was for the stability of the server (better reg etc)
If we are going to ditch a Server or 2 then the Servers Reg would be a lot more stable etc.
I've been monitoring the GG Server and there's never anybody on it , just like Server 1,2,3, everybody seems to be on dust2 24/7 which is a 16 slot, so realistically there is only ever at 1 time 16 people playing CSS on Iconz, get rid of the dust2 24/7 and revert back to a popular and vanilla server and then put a vote out either a GG Deathmatch or a normal CSS Deathmatch.
One of the reasons we are needing to do this besides needing to attract players back to CSS is that Iconz needs to free up Server Box space , so if we can put our 2 or 3 servers on 1 box then we have contibuted to the cause , the other box can be used for some other game or what ever Iconz wants to do with it, just a thought to remember when we are discussing .
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iconz private pug server FTW!
+rep when I can lol
Man that would be so awesome but with the state of affairs atm I cant see that happening.
Good idea tho supeR , like if you want to play on the pug server make it that you will have to register with Iconz first.
Gotgames has an awesome setup with that, which attracts Aus and NZ players to it but worth a thought but I just couldn't see it happening in the near future.
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is that the one that uses IRC to form teams up etc haps?
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Iconz doesn't need 5 servers. The last time I saw 2 servers (decently) populated would be a year+ ago let alone 5. If it's going to improve rego use 2-3 servers I reckon.
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i created an account just to reply to this thread (how much i miss the old days)
i totally agree with removing all the old servers and creating 1 two week trial server with the old skool maps (excl havana) eg cheatau nd piranesi and even keeping rank would be cool but I really can't remember the servers performance being bad before they introduced the new rank but I can't really remember that long ago
two week trial 20 person server trial ftw
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is that the one that uses IRC to form teams up etc haps?
Ummm dunno about IRC pretty sure you can join via that tho, but you need to install Mozilla FireFox to be able to access it , you just go to there site and pick which pug you wanna join (there is at least 5-6 on at one time)
So you just join in a pug and wait til it fills up out of the 100 odd people that are there, it then automatically sends you to a server once it's fill after you press "OK" or gives you a ip and pw.
Sorts out what team your in automatically and starts the pug up automatically once everyone's in.
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i created an account just to reply to this thread (how much i miss the old days)
i totally agree with removing all the old servers and creating 1 two week trial server with the old skool maps (excl havana) eg cheatau nd piranesi and even keeping rank would be cool but I really can't remember the servers performance being bad before they introduced the new rank but I can't really remember that long ago
two week trial 20 person server trial ftw
Welcome bro , good to see some input from some of the old school players :P
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Dropping them down to 14 players in my opinion would be worse , means you would have to wait even longer to get into the Server , sometimes we get steam friend messaged or msn'd and sometimes even txt'd about a hacker or tosspot and we cant even get into the server to sort the problem out.
Go back to the 20 slot , the only reason why we dropped it down to 16 slot was for the stability of the server (better reg etc)
If we are going to ditch a Server or 2 then the Servers Reg would be a lot more stable etc.
I've been monitoring the GG Server and there's never anybody on it , just like Server 1,2,3, everybody seems to be on dust2 24/7 which is a 16 slot, so realistically there is only ever at 1 time 16 people playing CSS on Iconz, get rid of the dust2 24/7 and revert back to a popular and vanilla server and then put a vote out either a GG Deathmatch or a normal CSS Deathmatch.
One of the reasons we are needing to do this besides needing to attract players back to CSS is that Iconz needs to free up Server Box space , so if we can put our 2 or 3 servers on 1 box then we have contibuted to the cause , the other box can be used for some other game or what ever Iconz wants to do with it, just a thought to remember when we are discussing .
Use admin reserve slots? I.E server has 16 slots and a special 17th slot only for admins. The majority of Css servers have this feature. >.<
As for DD2 24/7 I'm all for a popular maps server. Just remove the dud maps that make people leave in mass numbers i.e havanna etc and add some beauties like De_season.
Keep the ranking system. Alot of people like to see their rank/kpd improve over time and this in turn creates alot of interest in the servers.
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We do actually have a Admin slot but it only seems to work for certain admins and then only works for them when it feels free to work for them if you get where I'm heading lol.
That definitely needs to be sorted asap tbh.
I dont mind Havana tbh , quite enjoy running around small confined spaces shooting people lol , I still dont know why people dont like the map.
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yeah rank for kpd etc i see a sbeing a feature, but amni can run that natively without having to implement HLSTATSX, which should romove some of the performance issues. Still ahve your core what place am i, how many kills, kpd etc.
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I vote for change too (I recognize this rant), I've not bothered playing in Iconz servers for a while and I've even deleted them from favourites as theres only so much Dust_2 a man can take, especially when its the same old shit everytime, you could probably play a recording of it in cycle and nobody would notice the difference :)
I see the Iconz servers are pretty much dead now apart from the same 30 or so people who hang out on D2 trying to outrank eachother, its a full on dullathon in there....what a total shame, Iconz servers used to be stunning, now they are just stinking (in 2 months of not playing I've lost only 20 positions, that shows how dead it is)
I'd love to see just 2 servers running classic map cycles again, FF, timers whatever the hell anyone wants, just not the same fecking D2 again and again and again and again and again.
Oh yes OMT.......Bring back ACE!!!!!!
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the only map i dont like now.... DD fucking 2!
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I'm with you on that relworG, I tried to make DD2 interesting by only ever using TMP, this went on for weeks on end but when you get stat whores who buy an awp asap and camp out at T spawn when theres only 2 or 3 in the server you feel like smashing some skulls.
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yeah rank for kpd etc i see a sbeing a feature, but amni can run that natively without having to implement HLSTATSX, which should romove some of the performance issues. Still ahve your core what place am i, how many kills, kpd etc.
Yuo bene hangingg out wiht supeR and Demkaio to mucch mate LOL!!1one1!
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Fuck me, I'm obviously not drinking enough to correct my shit typing skills....
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maybe it would be a good idea to sort something out with temp for a iconz pug thing like gotgames will deff bring more kiwis to iconz and they would need to regi to play etc i think that would fill 3 servers a day easy
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Server Changes, my thoughts.
Cheers, G
Hey you'd know all about this
All my old links to CS:S mod sites have either died or turned into map downloads. A quick scan of the available CS:S mods dont show up anything really suitable other than the old Zombie, Deathmatch or GunGame
Have you got any recommendations for CS:S mods?
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yeah rank for kpd etc i see a sbeing a feature, but amni can run that natively without having to implement HLSTATSX, which should romove some of the performance issues. Still ahve your core what place am i, how many kills, kpd etc.
TBH rank should be completely or not at all.
Playing for KDP = camping. Think about the scenario.. No stats apart from kdp, player jumps on the server, starts getting owned with a 0-6 death streak. So thinks to himself, "Oh no, my precious KDP is suffering, I'd better camp it up for the rest of the map/s" and so precedes to. Then after playing checks his KDP and gives himself a handjob for finishing with a pos ratio.
Those are the types of players you don't want playing on Iconz servers. When I first started playing on these servers it was good, people just hopped on and played, didn't matter what side, then the rank was introduced and it went downhill from there, including the rego.
+1 for a pug server. Vanilla pub cs gets boring after a while. Also maybe trial another no awp server, when Iconz had 2 of them running they were the most popular and also gives players a chance to actually use guns they wouldn't normally.
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I play on Aussie servers now that run all popular scrim maps, lots of variety and still keeps the die hards happy too. Aww I liked Havana tooo GREAT MAP
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Havanna was fun :)
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i agree on a 20 player server and restrict or ban awp. i was 1st attracted to the iconz servers cause of no awp 20 player madness. no awp would mean less camping and more rushing. i just started playing again and i can barely stand to play the dust2 server. whats the fun with half of the players virtually spawn awping.
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So is the overwhelming support for change going to make any difference?
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i agree on a 20 player server and restrict or ban awp. i was 1st attracted to the iconz servers cause of no awp 20 player madness. no awp would mean less camping and more rushing. i just started playing again and i can barely stand to play the dust2 server. whats the fun with half of the players virtually spawn awping.
^^ this man speaks the truth
Good to hear your input Wayland .
I think it will Merchant, I mean the way things are going nowadays is just plain boring tbh, 1 Server is all that is getting used and it's 1 map .
Dust2 24/7 gone.
1 x 20 slot Popular <---- we have one already to go , might need tweaking on Maps
1 x 20 Vanilla non-awp maybe ?
Deathmatch or Gun Game to come at a later date , I will put up a Poll to see what the public want o see if Dust2 24/7 stays or goes .
Little steps are needed
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So is the overwhelming support for change going to make any difference?
Probably not.
Lose nothing by trying though.
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The acid test is getting those of us who miss the "good ol days" to actually play the new server if/when it happens, at the moment there are Iconz alternatives to the Dfuckingdust2foraleternity server but there never seems to be anyone willing to sit there for 5 minutes to seed a population.
If it happens I'll get in whenever I can and try and get that bad boy going, hopefully others will too.
I really hope this pans out.
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Well the server is there , it just needs the people in it. Scrim maps , popular , why do we talk of the dust server when we have always had the option to play the other servers there ?
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What Iconz is missing is the no awp server that Wayland mentioned, I think thats one of the key issues as I think a lot of people avoid servers that attract awp camping for stats.
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yah i totally forgot that our vanilla rotation 20 man servers were no awp.
BRING EM BACK!
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hey growler, good to hear iconz might actually be worth playing on again.
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stats have always been an issue. my thoughts are that people can work out their own ratios within each map, numbers aren't going to tell you if you're good or not and it's only public - public is about having fun isn't it?
i'd rather the server didn't calculate how many times i get knifed while itching my balls. :violin:
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Pretty sure one of the other servers has no awp restriction on it guys.
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Also bring back the feature were you can change gun skins!
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Also bring back the feature were you can change gun skins!
I'm with you on that pulse, I've got some great skins but they can't be used on Iconz.
I'm with you 100% dement, CS:S is about fun......and on occasion getting knifed while scratching the family jewels, without worrying that you've just lost 16 points, theres more to life than being in the top10 of a game...if you think its important you really need to open the door where the pizza delivery guy passes you your food and try venturing through it.
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If you get rid of that dust2 24hr server, then be scared of my awesomeness :)
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bro there is servers there for that man..
Yea I know those servers are there but if you took the dd2 server away alot of the whore would come play the normal server too. Funny enough I most the old school iconz players on an ozzy server most nights. The server is called the chill out lounge and in my opinion its set up perfectly. Has a good rotation, people can votemap, has ff, has relaxed but well admined enviroment. If it didnt hav ozzys on it would be perfect :P
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Yup I play the chill out lounge too and a couple of other ozzy popular map servers.
Iconz seems to be over, just looking at the comments from the DD2 whores in the forums shows why not many of the oldschool players bother with it anymore.
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I see no server named "chill out lounge" :'<
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You cant. Not that I play it, but the simple fact is if you search all australasian servers the only ones populated are those that have office or D2.
Reason being CS Source community is fail. They like the same shit over and over and over and over and over.
If you want a small hope of getting a server running, you want a basics main stream server which has 5 orig maps, none that people hate, i.e. no assault, none of htat sniper galore hoste map (industrial ?)
Basically you want
Dust 2 (ick)
Office (bla)
Inferno
Chateau (if this is the one you start in the sewers, with a short a or long b)
Italy
Key is not having any of these, FULLSTOP
Assault (fail of fail)
Pirallei (I love this map, one of my favs, but to good for CT's, always kills server)
One where rooms change each round (again as above - bit to dark as well)
No forced team etc etc. Accept stacking is part of what the community does.
synical player signing out.
So servers
1 x D2 24/7
1 x Cs Source Favs
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so dont worry we actually do...do something :P
Hater hat on:
Main things that happened was
- no awp / auto thing dropped = servers popularity plummeting.
- Custom maps as above
- Forced teams as above
- End of stats, as above
- Removal of RTV as above
- Assault, etc etc being added as above
- Game getting older as above
- Period where hacks were ridiculously abundant and admin numbers light – as above
- Xlan
I was for a couple of those (i.e. attempts to sort the level of stacking and stats) which on reflection the cure was worse than the problem.
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You cant. Not that I play it, but the simple fact is if you search all australasian servers the only ones populated are those that have office or D2.
Assault (fail of fail)
Someone speaks the truth. quoted for it
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122.100.6.233:27015 = Chill Out Lounge
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played there tonight.
one of the best servers i have played on for a while, everything about its setup is nice.
ICONZ should try duplicate that verbatim, down to mods, map limits etc etc etc
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Heaps of servers that aint dd2 and they are normally cranking, do what the chill out lounge and reset the rank once a week.
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Yep i must say it's a nice playing environment, now i just ned a place liek that with people I know, were quite a few rando tards on there but still a very nice server.
Anyone know if they have a www for the chillout lounge, im not on my pc to be able to do a quick check.
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Speaking from a position far far away where there are a LOT of servers accessible at pretty much any time, the most popular ones I see are:
Zombiemod
GG (turbo sometimes, but not required)
DD2 24/7 (deathmatch _has_ to allow random weapons, otherwise it's just the same thing all the time, people take one weapon combo and stick with it and tire of it quickly, if it's a full server it's really hard to change weapons because you spawn, start choosing and die before completion, lather, rinse, repeat :sleep: )
Vanilla map servers
de-only map servers
Things that seem to hurt server popularity are some vanilla maps (aztec, assault maybe), constant downloads of new maps, in-game sounds/music, hackers (obviously, but it needs saying :))
The idea of skins sounds okay at first but surely then you also end up with people using fullbright skins and ruining things by "almost" cheating?
One thing that REALLY keeps people on servers though is the community, I can't stress this enough, if there are a number of friendly regulars and the admins make the world an uncomfortable place for those that make the game less fun, people will come and people will stay.
Stats are important, they're a way of judging if you're doing better or worse and what you need to do to improve, where on a map to avoid, etc. Could possibly remove the in-game stuff, limit it or something, no top10 or something maybe? If it's too expensive to run though, makes the game laggy, upsets reg, that's a different matter I guess.
Anyway, miss you all and hope you're all still doing well, it's a bit strange being disconnected from all this so I hope things are working out. Here's looking forward to a functional and fun ICONZ when/if I return (hell, there'll probably be a new version of CS by then :chuckle:)
Nice to know I'm remembered pix :)
Ciao for now,
Neth.
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Hey Netherai!
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Neth, you were the 'International Woman of Mystery' how could we forget? :P
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Neth, you were the 'International Man of Mystery' how could we forget? :P
Fixed
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Fixed
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Anyway, didn't want to derail the thread, sorry.
Just figured this stuff is important, especially given the size of the community, I'd hate to see it fail.
CS has a LOT of competition now, just recently there's things like COD4, Killzone2, TF2, Left4Dead and that's just for starters.
I suppose it's a little heartening that CSSource is still on Valve's top-sellers list, the only game earlier than 2007 that is. For a game from 2004 to manage that there must still be a few players out there to add to the ICONZ community.
Thanks far q, growler :knife: guess I deserved that :whatever:
Is the ICONZ scene really that bad now?
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Don't worry, we still luv ya Neth, whatever gender you decide to be. :p
And yeah, the cs:s community now consists of pub heroes who only know one map. DD2.
All the old school players have shifted on or play on private servers now.
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Chill out lounge has it so sussed, let me try and remember there setup in detail
1) awp is off but you can vote it off or on if admin allows
2) Good map rotation with the option to votemap
3) You can vote extend map but that automatically makes whole teams swap sides when it extends
4) Rank is reset every Sunday, u can see yr stats but no point in going mad abt temp rank
5) They have some fun maps to break it up a little
6) On fun maps you cant buy flashes
7) If one team is getting rolled server gives all players 16 k to even chances
8) If you shoot a team mate you instantly lose 30 hp, no one ever TK's on purpose
9) Has regular messages on the screen telling people to not complain like newbs and details on how to complain about bad admins
10) Admins on all the time
11) If you retry your score does not reset ( so u ever chill out or just leave)
12) You are able to bet your money on which team wins (makes speccing fun)
13) says monster kill etc when u doing well ( feels cool to hear)
In the end the weekly rank reset and fun of betting plus no awps with good rotation of maps keeps it really interesting and a fun enviroment.
There is a good reason II see most the old school iconz bois there
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I like:
1) awp is off but you can vote it off or on if admin allows
2) Good map rotation with the option to votemap
3) You can vote extend map but that automatically makes whole teams swap sides when it extends
4) Rank is reset every Sunday, u can see yr stats but no point in going mad abt temp rank
8) If you shoot a team mate you instantly lose 30 hp, no one ever TK's on purpose
9) Has regular messages on the screen telling people to not complain like newbs and details on how to complain about bad admins
10) Admins on all the time
11) If you retry your score does not reset ( so u ever chill out or just leave)
Not so much, but could get used to:
5) They have some fun maps to break it up a little - downloading appears to kill NZ servers
6) On fun maps you cant buy flashes - Why not?! They're not THAT annoying
7) If one team is getting rolled server gives all players 16 k to even chances - even on the losing team, this would annoy me
12) You are able to bet your money on which team wins (makes speccing fun) - seems pointless to me, but meh, whatever draws crowds
13) says monster kill etc when u doing well (feels cool to hear) - I hate hearing this, kinda ruins the moment for me if I get a streak
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Totally agree with pix here, I'd also love it if there were some way of slapping the spec hax, people who switch to spec and back again to get the 800 :(
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WHOLEY FUCKING WHAT THE SHIT, THE GRRL THAT WASN'T A GEWL!
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WHOLEY FUCKING WHAT THE SHIT, THE GRRL THAT WASN'T A GEWL!
Well, I guess this is _one_ way of drawing attention to an issue, sure :P
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I think Pyros dumb-filter has been left off today.
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Chill out lounge has it so sussed, let me try and remember there setup in detail
1) awp is off but you can vote it off or on if admin allows
2) Good map rotation with the option to votemap
3) You can vote extend map but that automatically makes whole teams swap sides when it extends
4) Rank is reset every Sunday, u can see yr stats but no point in going mad abt temp rank
5) They have some fun maps to break it up a little
6) On fun maps you cant buy flashes
7) If one team is getting rolled server gives all players 16 k to even chances
8) If you shoot a team mate you instantly lose 30 hp, no one ever TK's on purpose
9) Has regular messages on the screen telling people to not complain like newbs and details on how to complain about bad admins
10) Admins on all the time
11) If you retry your score does not reset ( so u ever chill out or just leave)
12) You are able to bet your money on which team wins (makes speccing fun)
13) says monster kill etc when u doing well ( feels cool to hear)
In the end the weekly rank reset and fun of betting plus no awps with good rotation of maps keeps it really interesting and a fun enviroment.
There is a good reason II see most the old school iconz bois there
yeah that server is very cool.
Also like the alltalk among specs when dead. and how the top 3 players from the week before are listed in the server splash screen and the forum.
I think rank could work well like that especially if KDR doesnt have much effect on your score and its based more accuracy or somthing.
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I checked the Chill Out Lounge today.
It's pretty much what I like in a server.
If ICONZ had one like that and a dust/dust2 24/7 for the awpwhores that would probably do.
No point in trying to start up a server that has an unpopular map.
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I like Chillout Lounge too, except the horrible ping I get there.
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yep, chillout & GG are all I visit now.
Thanks for the funtimes ICONZ, if the servers ever get back to how they were I will be sure to add it to the top of my list of do plays.
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chillout annoys me because it has betting turned on.
ACS GG has begun to annoy me due to new stuipd maps that are full of gay gayness.
And the amount of people they pack into a single server. That annoys the hell out of me.
Too much carnage, less skill.
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Well, I guess this is _one_ way of drawing attention to an issue, sure :P
I didn't know any of the grrls still played.
cash/fairy is off in BF2 land...
fembot to stuck in 2nd life...
laurasaur got married...
Slapper... well *shrug*.
kek's up and dissappeard while I was still playing. I guess wow claimed another one or something...
Infact, I blame WoW for the entire downfall of ICONZ CSS.
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Too much carnage, less skill.
That's exactly what GG is.
No skill, just pure carnage.
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CARNAGE!!!
yeah its all about spam!
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That's exactly what GG is.
No skill, just pure carnage.
Sounds like growler's sort of game.
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Sounds like growler's sort of game.
Sounds like you're a 2yr old who can't seem to get over it.
You do realise the more attention to pay to Growler, the harder his penis gets?
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Sounds like you're a 2yr old who can't seem to get over it.
You do realise the more attention to pay to Growler, the harder his penis gets?
Haha. I knew that would get a bite out of someone lol. :bounce:
Oh an Growler's been rock hard for years...
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Hmmm, I thought I may as well add a line to this. I cant advocate what Growler says enough, I miss the old days when Iconz was a great place to come and game and we would actually witness the change of maps! This is something that has infected the whole CS:S scene though, I can never find a Vanilla server anymore. Its always gungame this, deathmatch that or (got forbid) Dust_2. How did this happen again? I remember when good ol' classic CS ended up here, all servers playing the same maps. If Iconz provided the servers as I remember them (Just pretty much managed on Mani and before stats) and with a full rotation (I mean, none of us have played any of these levels in so long that I dont even think people would complain about Aztec or anything) and that would be enough. Remember when simple was enough?
Ill concede that I only read 2 pages of this thread, but I think the main jist of this idea was contained there. This is the first time Ive checked Iconz in 4 months or something, I think it was good timing. Viva la Vanilla!
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I didn't know any of the grrls still played.
cash/fairy is off in BF2 land...
fembot to stuck in 2nd life...
laurasaur got married...
Slapper... well *shrug*.
kek's up and dissappeard while I was still playing. I guess wow claimed another one or something...
Infact, I blame WoW for the entire downfall of ICONZ CSS.
You forgot Frosty
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To be completely honest
"I" and i'm sure there are many others around, are getting sick of seeing all the DD2 servers. And not being able to play scrim maps like inferno outside of a scrim or pug.
There are no decent servers out there that provide a solid rotation to attract more players. This is where, I hope, ICONZ comes in. If you're looking for a change, I would see this as the way to go with a decent map rotation and a rotating DM server perhaps.
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We've always had a regular rotational server, it never ever ever ever left. I don't understand why everyone has it in their mind that we only offer dd2 24/7. Don't say its because thats the only one populated either, because you guys are the ones who are populating it instead of the servers you supposedly want.
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The noobs and kiddies home from school during the day populate it and later in the afternoon/evening it's already full. CBF starting a new server up.
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Infact, I blame WoW for the entire downfall of ICONZ CSS.
Maybe so, but man does it rock!
I'm over CSS, have been for a very long time. I no longer enjoy the game, nor the vast majority of the people it attracts... When they release a new one I may consider playing it again, but for now, I'm perfectly content playing WoW :knife:
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The noobs and kiddies home from school during the day populate it and later in the afternoon/evening it's already full. CBF starting a new server up.
This, so I go play on chillout or GG
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We've always had a regular rotational server, it never ever ever ever left. I don't understand why everyone has it in their mind that we only offer dd2 24/7. Don't say its because thats the only one populated either, because you guys are the ones who are populating it instead of the servers you supposedly want.
You force teams on the server.
You allow Awps / auto which allot of people have issues with.
If I am not mistaken some of the maps on them suck
To be frank Iconz went through a elite bs phase, and it hasnt seemed to emerge from that.
You do not have the set up as it once was, so dont pretend you do.
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I'm not pretending its the same as it used to be. I'm simply pointing at that so far all i've seen is people bitching and moaning and then saying they "cbf starting up another server".
It's quite obvious that the vast majority of you don't actually care, you just like to have a whinge.
A conversation was had in the admin forums and we came to the conclusion that some server changes were in order but that the infamous DD2 24/7 server must stay as it is.
Also, the "noobs and kiddies" Void mentions are the future gamers, it's obvious they enjoy our dd2 24/7 server and so their gaming needs are catered for. The regulars (all you other guys) voted for the current setup but have yet to make use of it on a regular basis.
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just to say. With whatever the plan is for the servers no awp and ff on is a must and making a map rotation would be the be dam good.
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Rather than find fault with the DD2 , ... as a matter of interest , whats wrong with iconz #2 and #3 ?
I used to like playing those personally (well dying on them) , but no-one plays on them ?:disappoin
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Rather than find fault with the DD2 , ... as a matter of interest , whats wrong with iconz #2 and #3 ?
I used to like playing those personally (well dying on them) , but no-one plays on them ?:disappoin
true true no one is ever on them
it seems like dd2 is the only one with players so i go there and get pwned
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Office servers kick ass !
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OFFICE. I must say I whore it proudly :D
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true true no one is ever on them
Because the setup on them is shit.
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A conversation was had in the admin forums and we came to the conclusion that some server changes were in order but that the infamous DD2 24/7 server must stay as it is.
Also, the "noobs and kiddies" Void mentions are the future gamers, it's obvious they enjoy our dd2 24/7 server and so their gaming needs are catered for. The regulars (all you other guys) voted for the current setup but have yet to make use of it on a regular basis.
TBH Iconz CS:S scene is so dead even rearranging the servers is going to do squat to draw the players back. Or if it did it would only be a fleeting interest.
So with that in mind you may as well cater to your "future gamers" and have 2 DD2 24/7 servers, 2 Office 24/7 servers and the last server might as well be a DD2 / Office rotation server.
R.I.P Iconz cs
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Because the setup on them is shit.
but it wouldnt take much to change to what you were asking , would it bud ?
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Gungame take skill...........it just damages your mouse button from firing so fcken much!!!!;)
Something needs to be done.........we sound like a bunch of politicians in government just talking, discussing and nothing gets done!!
PS Real men drink meths!!
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but it wouldnt take much to change to what you were asking , would it bud ?
ummmmm, maybe an hour.
Hell, i could write the server config for ICONZ then all they would have to do is replace the existing one, but I think Far Q may be right. I will probably just stick to Chillout lounge when I want to play real CS and GG for spamction mayhem.
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And yeah, the cs:s community now consists of pub heroes who only know one map. DD2.
j!nx cant help being a hero
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Ahh... The old days, the days of Tiwa's tent, Netherai, DDM actually played, the legendary ace, soulroll bragging about his score, map variation, rock the voting at Havanna, rock the voting dropped, everyone realised that meant we had to play havanna, rock the voting reinstated, awps being restricted, having to actually BUY ammo, throwing empty guns at noobs, ramp access for 30+, Most Wanted and their rages, Sancho Milk and their raiders,
and finally, when ICONZ was fun.
:')
I was just watching some old CS videos I have and in one of them I throw one of my famously empty guns at someone during a firefight. Of course, they have autoswitch on which changes them to the empty weapon.
Then I knife them.
Good times.
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I was just watching some old CS videos I have and in one of them I throw one of my famously empty guns at someone during a firefight. Of course, they have autoswitch on which changes them to the empty weapon.
Then I knife them.
Good times.
Nice bump eh
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http://www.game-monitor.com/cstrike2_GameServer/59.167.241.9:27015/games.on.net_CSS_07_Full_Rotation.html
Still good times.
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What the...
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I didn't realise this place still existed.
Memories
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do people still play counterstrike? I just bought Source on steam for 4.99 cos it was 4.99
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Not source, we play CS:GO...get it, its cheap and good. No one plays on GetSome servers though...they took to long to update once and the people went elsewhere..
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Woah, it's like I stepped back in time.
Better put some bets on the 2011 World Cup.
Oh, and watch out for Earthquakes in Christchurch, there's some a coming.
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Not source, we play CS:GO...get it, its cheap and good. No one plays on GetSome servers though...they took to long to update once and the people went elsewhere..
Ah ok, will keep an eye on Steam for specials on GO. I looked at Steam's population maps and Source seems to still have a higher population than GO :/
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Yeah...nubs dont want to change. Still heaps playing 1.6 and its graphics hurt the eyes. Im really enjoying GO, took abit to get used to..felt spammy as fuck to start with and i hated it..but now i love it as much as i did source.
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This all brings back fond memories, when the CS forum had more posts than the Battlefield forum, we all had our little secret clan forums, the servers used to be full of people that would come on here and have a bit of banter...
It all went tits up when I left didnt it lad's and lass's..... Sorry about that.
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I was just watching some old CS videos I have and in one of them I throw one of my famously empty guns at someone during a firefight. Of course, they have autoswitch on which changes them to the empty weapon.
Then I knife them.
Good times.
I would love to see some of those old videos, jesus that would be like opening a time capsule....
EDIT: Im sure theres probably one where retardobot is raiding a shit load of sanchos milk... I remember seeing someone with a clip of him going bat shit crazy and taking out entire servers.
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you we're the hub of our social existance!
I might buy CS:GO and spam it up with some of you old cunts.
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Thought this place was gone burgers
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Whatever happened to poos? he was such a lovely guy, always ultra friendly at xLan and the like..
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Whoa. Shit. Been a while.
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Wow, what a blast from the past. Fired up csgo today and thought, I wonder if ICONZ is still kicking.
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I wish I had purchased it last weekend on sale!
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I cant believe this was never posted here!
Counter-Strike - DE dust2 HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Cjrp23lBSM#)
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That was pretty good.
This happened many a time to me;
Tiwaking > AWP > Spacemonkey