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General => General Chat => Topic started by: Retardobot on June 06, 2008, 03:21:49 pm
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As you would of noticed, alot of you don't have any issues with outing yourselves on these forums with relation to downloading games.
So, after being inspired to start this truly epic thread by <> careless attitude towards game piracy, i thought i would find out how many of you share his view.
I for one don't download games. Using the age old "I hate buying a game because i don't wanna be stuck with it if it's shit" is now not an excuse. With certain game shops offering a 7day return policy even with PC games, and 100's of MB's of videos and game reviews out there to provide you with more than enough info to make an informed decision, it really doesn't give you any excuse to download a game just because you are afraid you may not like it.
And if you use the other excuse of "i can't afford $99" for a game then you should of thought about that before you spent that money on your GAMING computer. If you can't afford it, then you shouldn't have it.
So, how many of you rip off game developers?
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No option for used to but don't anymore due to can't be bothered finding a downloadable version. Also depends on what you are referring to piracy, at the typical lan I attend if someone doesn't own a game you want to play you install it on their computer with a legit copy and crack it, so you can play together. That is still pirating, but not the sort you are talking about, the way I see it, that person at the lan wouldn't buy the game anyhow and if we didn't pirate it we would play a different game.
I know from going to lans and borrowing a copy of a game, has got me to like it and actually purchase it later down the track, not for the game developers mind you, but for my own ease of use and ability to play online.
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Well, lets set a ground rule for this poll.
Say you are on your PC, and you want a game to play, so you go download it instead of trucking off to your local to buy a copy, leaving out all enviromental factors like attending a LAN.
Would you download, or buy it?
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I support the people who make good quality games. If it's really sweet I'll happily shell out for it.
As to the idea of "why pirate when you could buy and then return if you don't like" well, that's a bit silly. Why would I want to make two trips out of my way to a store, incur travel and bank fees, all to try a game I could have tried without even having a shower. If it's rubbish, I'll delete it. If it's not, I'll buy it.
Then again, with the copy protection on some software nowadays, piracy is more likely to leave me with an actual working product than actually buying it. Being treated like a criminal tends to encourage criminal acts.
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Typically I won't download, as it causes a lot more problems than it is worth, plus the amount of cap used is rather silly. I either do without or go off and buy it. However with console games I go and hire it out from my local video store.
Only downloaded about 2 games in my lifetime and tbh the amount of time and cap taken to download it wasn't worth the game.
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As to the idea of "why pirate when you could buy and then return if you don't like" well, that's a bit silly. Why would I want to make two trips out of my way to a store, incur travel and bank fees, all to try a game I could have tried without even having a shower.
And downloading a game requires power consumption $$, cap consumption $$, you have a shower; more power consumption $$.
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And downloading a game requires power consumption $$, cap consumption $$, you have a shower; more power consumption $$.
None of those are actual costs. I would not have to pay extra money to the power company or the interwebs men, as I am already paying for their services.
By my reckoning, a trip into town would cost me at least $5 plus an hour or so of time. Downloading a 5 gig file would cost less than $5.
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The games that I play properly/competitively I always buy, the ones that I play for fun are usually pirated.
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The games that I play properly/competitively I always buy, the ones that I play for fun are usually pirated.
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I use to pirate games but now i CBF.
I love it how alot more games can be bought and downloaded online.
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I only used to pirate games when i couldnt be bothered or couldnt go out and buy them.Now i just get from steam or direct 2 drive.
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Can you not comprehend?
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The only reason i would download a game would be if i couldn't buy it anywhere. For example, Fallout.
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Then again, with the copy protection on some software nowadays, piracy is more likely to leave me with an actual working product than actually buying it. Being treated like a criminal tends to encourage criminal acts.
spot on, I remember playing halflife 2 (downloaded) and my flatmate bought it and was playing via steam. I had mine up and running in secs while he had half an hour waits and it would cause him constant problems.
I buy every game for the ps3. probably another reason why developers are working harder on consoles than PC's
For all online games I pay. should of downloaded frontlines before buying that game though. I spend the money then they give me a half finished game. This is one reason why downloading a game helps make that decision to buy or not. demos aren't always a good indication
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Haven't paid for a game in awhile...
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I'm a poor teenager!!!!!! What am I supposed to do!??!?!
That said, I don't play many games. Plus I've only ever completed one game I've downloaded.
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i have downloaded a couple of games before, but only ones that are kind of old (smaller size) and only for the single player and when i have a sudden erdge to play them lol, usually lasts for like a week. i buy games that have been recently relased and multiplayer ones
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I think someone brought it up before about digital protection as well. I prefer games that don't come with security measures that are installed alongside.
I am happy to pay for games, but if I am going to have to jump through too many hoops to install it. Or are forced to install things I don't want on my computer, then I have been known to DL a neutered version of it.
Living in NZ piracy is generally less convenient too, so I have tended to hire and buy things more legitimately. The other thing I don't understand is why in NZ we pay such a premium for things like software, movies, books...So, I guess I feel a little bit resentful about that; which in turn makes me want to DL things. I guess this is part of being a very small, isolated economy.
14$ for a movie at Hoyts?...7$ for a dvd overnight?...c'mon.
We seem to pay a massive levy for all forms of foreign entertainment in comparison to many other countries.
Speaking of Fallout (3) some of those screenies are amazing. The head getting deconstructed is....Funny reading through some of the dev comments there as well.
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The only reason i would download a game would be if i couldn't buy it anywhere. For example, Fallout.
You can't buy Fallout? Why not?
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Can you not comprehend?
I was trying to have the same reply as you without typing as many words.
I thought that's what i meant with the "..." but obviously some people didn't comprehend, forcing me to type this, and forcing me to have to type out more words and in fact voiding the point of even putting the "..." in the first place, thanks Skippy!
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You can't buy Fallout? Why not?
Couldn't find it anywhere.
EDIT: I obviously didnt look hard enough, none of my local EBs or Gamesman had it, i see GPStore does though :/
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I was trying to have the same reply as you without typing as many words.
I thought that's what i meant with the "..." but obviously some people didn't comprehend, forcing me to type this, and forcing me to have to type out more words and in fact voiding the point of even putting the "..." in the first place, thanks Skippy!
"..." is commonly referred to as "Ellipsis". Meaning a pause in speech or unfinished thought, hence Skippy's reply.
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"..." is commonly referred to as "Ellipsis". Meaning a pause in speech or unfinished thought, hence Skippy's reply.
Ok, so I added one dot too much.
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Downloading games is no different to downloading music, TV, Movies, and other software. Personally I think it's wrong, and it is a form of theft.
But,
As with all other digital media, there's no real consequence for stealing it. It's like going to the supermarket to buy apples, when your neighbor has an apple tree overhanging your fence. A tree you've been taking apples off for years, with no reprimand.
I personally fell like an idiot buying something, when it's easier and consequence free (in the short term) to not pay for it. Current game prices are worked out so the companies will make x amount of dollars anyway. They know the market, and that the 'market' and the people playing the game, are two completely different things.
Popular online multi-player games are where they have control, people can't pirate those (usually), so the industry still has a pretty firm footing. They aren't going broke due to piracy. What they will be doing, is taking a lot of their attention away from purely single player games, which is sad.
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Most of the games I play are multiplayer and I buy them I have also paid for a lot of games that are shit that are still sitting in my shelf.
And same as Bruce I get more games for my PS3 now then PC all of which I pay for.
I have downloaded games and still do mostly when I go to lans because everyone wants to play.
But yer TBH I have downloaded maybe 5 games in 4 years of PC gaming and some games I have downloaded played them and then gone and brought them to play online.
If I think a game will be good I just buy it thats why I have fail shit like ETQW and Fuels of war sitting on my shelf collecting dust but at the end of the day I think games are pretty cheap really for the hours of entertainment you can get from them.
I think companies making good games should be getting money out of it and I will always pay for the games the way I look at it if you don't buy good games then the companies putting out the top quality games will close and all you will be left with is all the shit.
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Game piracy is as bad as music piracy IMO. If you want it, pay for it - it's not like they cost the earth.
Someone posted that they wouldn't buy a game that had anti-priacy in it - that make me laugh. It's because of attitudes like that that make the developers have to put anti-piracy in them in the first place.
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I often dont know what the game is like or play the games that i dl enough to warrant my purchasing them. the games i play alot are the multiplayer ones and those i have to purchase to avoid being caught and banned.
i mostly play online games, so i mostly purchase them...BUT if there not for online play i will download them without remorse, as with tv shows, movies.
Oblivion, civ 4 are two of my fav games, both illegal. i have no cap here, and 100 mb net so that doesnt factor into it...in nz i would consider buying them over downloading em due to the net.
I have downloaded a few games that ive lost thru moving, but i think thats legit.
New games ill buy, to get in first.
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Well, lets set a ground rule for this poll.
I have a fairly simple rule:
If Im still playing it ten years later and enjoying it just as much as when I first played it, I buy it.
Very few games can pass this stringent test.
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I have a fairly simple rule:
If Im still playing it ten years later and enjoying it just as much as when I first played it, I buy it.
Very few games can pass this stringent test.
That's just BS.
Do you say the same about a car? Or your clothes or any other product out there?
No you don't.
If you d/l anything that isn't available free of charge you're a thief. End of.
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I love it how alot more games can be bought and downloaded online.
i love that about steam. no matter where i am in the world, no matter what comp, i can log in and download my games for free.
Online sales are so conveniant for me and i dont mind firing out my credit card to purchase games that can always be downloaded.
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If you d/l anything that isn't available free of charge you're a thief. End of.
there is a big difference to walking into a game store and picking up the latest EA screwup and walking outta the store and downloading the same crappy game off the internet.
In the first instance you are a thief because it cost the publisher money to put the game in all that fancy packaging and on dvd's, it also costs the devleoper because thats 1 game less that they could have sold.
in the latter instance it costs neither the publisher or the developer.
why? you'll no doubt ask?
Because by downloading the game the publisher is not losing any money because they havn't printed any box covers, burned any DVD's, its digital and that takes the publisher right out of the picture.
As for the developer who has worked on the game for X many months they are also no less out of pocket. Chances are that the pirate would never have gotten the game otherwise so the developer due to their piss poor game design or what not hasn't lost anything either.
So of course we dont do the same with our clothes or cars. they all cost money to produce the steel, fabric etc
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there is a big difference to walking into a game store and picking up the latest EA screwup and walking outta the store and downloading the same crappy game off the internet.
In the first instance you are a thief because it cost the publisher money to put the game in all that fancy packaging and on dvd's, it also costs the devleoper because thats 1 game less that they could have sold.
in the latter instance it costs neither the publisher or the developer.
why? you'll no doubt ask?
Because by downloading the game the publisher is not losing any money because they havn't printed any box covers, burned any DVD's, its digital and that takes the publisher right out of the picture.
As for the developer who has worked on the game for X many months they are also no less out of pocket. Chances are that the pirate would never have gotten the game otherwise so the developer due to their piss poor game design or what not hasn't lost anything either.
So of course we dont do the same with our clothes or cars. they all cost money to produce the steel, fabric etc
Do you really believe that?
There is something called intelectual property - look it up if you don't know what it is.
And by d/l something that you haven't bought you are infinging on not only copyright but also intellectual property. So of course the developer is out of pocket - you are using their IP with no right to do so.
So once again I call you a thief.
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Now I am fairly sure that most people know my opinion on all of this. Sure it may be bad, but I don't care. I have no good excuse for doing it, except for the fact that it is far easier to download the game.
I dont download many games any more though, there aren't many available that are even worth the download.
I have about 5 games on my external hard drive, only two of them have been downloaded in the last year.
Also, I have downloaded both BF2 and COD4, but I own both of them, but especially for BF2 (which I have the CD version) it is much easier to just open up the file and click a couple of buttons than it is to find my BF2 case, insert disk 1, click all these buttons, wait for half an hour, take out disk 1, put in disk 2, wait half an hour, take out disk 2, put in disk 3, wait half an hour* just to have the last file become corrupt and I have to do it all over again.
May not actually take anywhere near half an hour even in total but yea.. You get the point. :P
Then for pirating movies. Why would I buy DVDs now? Blu-Ray is the new way, but not all movies are available on Blu-Ray, however if I download a good movie, or especially a good game or album then I definitely go out and buy it, or at least buy it off ebay from Hong Kong for $2.
EDIT: (Do not take this seriously)
When I download a good anything, if it is good I will suggest it to all of my friends, and most of them wont have heard of what ever I downloaded, and not all of them have internet that is that great or at least not a good enough cap to be able to constantly download stuff, so some of them will go out and buy the product. It's happened for the past two games that I have downloaded (race Driver GRiD - which I have also purchased off of ebay - for PS3, and Anno 1701)
Then also, if I had not downloaded RD GRiD I would not have found out that the wheel compatibility currently SUCKS for PC and is alright for PS3 (well so I have noticed), so if I had bought it straight up for PC which I would have, then I would have to wait months and months because I know that Codies customer support in the are of updating games sucks worse than Race Driver 2 and 3.
Here comes the neg rep....
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That's just BS.
Do you say the same about a car? Or your clothes or any other product out there?
No you don't.
If you d/l anything that isn't available free of charge you're a thief. End of.
Electronic intellectual property is NOT subject to the same rules or law as physical property.
Any attempt to justify the usage of such rules in their case will ultimately fail. Trying to drag opinionated emotional content into the discussion is unnecessary.
Its simple co-relevance law
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Electronic intellectual property is NOT subject to the same rules or law as physical property.
Yes it is.
The same rights and priveledges of the developer/owner exist. Why do you think that there are copyright protection on any digital format?
Not being emotional, just stating facts.
If you burn a dvd, d/l music/games/other stuff it's theft. No other word for it as far as I know.
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The same rights and priveledges of the developer/owner exist. Why do you think that there are copyright protection on any digital format?
Because you are wrong.
There are mitigating co-relevant factors which have been thoughtfully brought up in this thread. In relation to Music/Video industry, there are many cases where RIAA/MPAA have lost. Badly
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There are mitigating co-relevant factors
What's a mitigating factor for stealing something that doesn't belong to you?
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Yes it is.
The same rights and priveledges of the developer/owner exist. Why do you think that there are copyright protection on any digital format?
Not being emotional, just stating facts.
If you burn a dvd, d/l music/games/other stuff it's theft. No other word for it as far as I know.
It is not theft.
It is copyright infringement.
Theft is stealing, downloading games/music etc. is not equivalent to stealing. I have never stolen anything from a shop or whatever, and I don't ever want to. Downloading shit is definitely not the same.
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Yes it is.
The same rights and priveledges of the developer/owner exist. Why do you think that there are copyright protection on any digital format?
Not being emotional, just stating facts.
If you burn a dvd, d/l music/games/other stuff it's theft. No other word for it as far as I know.
i suppose you also have a problem with someone who buys a game, burns it onto a disk as a back up or just to keep after selling it on?
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i suppose you also have a problem with someone who buys a game, burns it onto a disk as a back up or just to keep after selling it on?
Burning it to disc because they are going to on sell it??
LOL - what do you tihnk of that?
Out it this way - I just sold CoD4 - did I burn a copy?
I have no issues with someone doing it to have as backup - just as I used to tape my albums to play in the car, but not to steal it from someone which is in effect what is happening.
Just my opinion, others can have theirs, just as in any opinion - I suppose I am just more honest than a lot of poeple on these forums.
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It is not theft.
It is copyright infringement.
Theft is stealing, downloading games/music etc. is not equivalent to stealing. I have never stolen anything from a shop or whatever, and I don't ever want to. Downloading shit is definitely not the same.
Justify it anyway you like.
Have you seen the adverts at the start of DVD's?
Says exactly what I am saying - piracy is theft.
You are getting something that you are not entitled to, which should be paid for, that to me is the very definition of theft.
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Ok
So I buy a game I play it for 3 months one of my mates wants to play it so i take it to his house and install it now we both have it did he steal that game?
So same thing but this time my friend lives 300km away so I upload the game that I paid for onto a site so he can download it and play it is that theft?
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You are getting something that you are not entitled to, which should be paid for, that to me is the very definition of theft.
Then, once again, you are wrong and have evoked an emotional response.
Infringement and theft are, by law, two co-opposite states. Anyway, I've got to go to bed as I foolishly agreed to work tomorrow at 9pm. Who works at 9pm!?!
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Ok
So I buy a game I play it for 3 months one of my mates wants to play it so i take it to his house and install it now we both have it did he steal that game?
So same thing but this time my friend lives 300km away so I upload the game that I paid for onto a site so he can download it and play it is that theft?
In effect yes it is.
Especially if you're both gonna play online, but either way it's tantamount to theft in my eyes.
Like I said above, it's no wonder that developers are spending more and more on ways to prevent it - and that we may find less and less being developed for the PC because it's so rife - if it's harder to "Steal" a PS3 or Xbox game in that way of course they are giong to concentrate their efforts to those formats.
In effect you people who do "steal" games in this way are contributin to PC gaming's downfall.
And then you all cry about having to have other software on your computers because of poeple stealing the games..!!!
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Then, once again, you are wrong and have evoked an emotional response.
Infringement and theft are, by law, two co-opposite states. Anyway, I've got to go to bed as I foolishly agreed to work tomorrow at 9pm. Who works at 9pm!?!
How is that an emotional response? It's pretty clear to anyone - even the perpetrators that they are doing something illegal.
Either way it's wrong - which is what I am getting at.
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All my games were bought at retail price, i feel safe. Also, when installing games theres a disclaimer included that basically says if you give your copy to anybody then you're a software pirate (yarr) and are guilty of breaking the law.
Doesnt apply to all games of course, just every single game released since 1956 that isnt freeware.
So yeah, i agree with Xtinct.
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Burning it to disc because they are going to on sell it??
LOL - what do you tihnk of that?
Out it this way - I just sold CoD4 - did I burn a copy?
I have no issues with someone doing it to have as backup - just as I used to tape my albums to play in the car, but not to steal it from someone which is in effect what is happening.
Just my opinion, others can have theirs, just as in any opinion - I suppose I am just more honest than a lot of poeple on these forums.
but you just sold on your rights to the intellectual property on that disc so by keeping a copy yourself and from your own definition you are a thief
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but you just sold on your rights to the intellectual property on that disc so by keeping a copy yourself and from your own definition you are a thief
Exactly, as I may as well import new media (games, music, dvd's) "back them up" and onsell them as new at only a profit and or loss if you wanted to justify "backing them up"
I'll be straight up, the only software I own is Vista ultimate, Steam and the games on it and various other games that mainly revolve around online play as you need the CD key.
And I personally believe there is no way anti piracy protection will help, it's an ongoing "game" if you will between the developers and game hackers to build and destroy the anti piracy software.
In the workd of PSP it's a competition for the top hack teams to hack the latest firmware of the PSP's which is known world wide and the teams get huge recognition for it.
EDIT: In my breif course of web designe, any picture you post or use has to be signed off by the artist/photographer for use by yourself etc etc.. Wohder if any images any of us have used or posted have been signed off for?
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Justify it anyway you like.
Have you seen the adverts at the start of DVD's?
Says exactly what I am saying - piracy is theft.
You are getting something that you are not entitled to, which should be paid for, that to me is the very definition of theft.
what if i dont want the adverts on my dvds - if someone can offer me the dvd with just the movie on it and its cheaper than the movie with other stuff on it, why should i support them?
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In effect yes it is.
Especially if you're both gonna play online, but either way it's tantamount to theft in my eyes.
Like I said above, it's no wonder that developers are spending more and more on ways to prevent it - and that we may find less and less being developed for the PC because it's so rife - if it's harder to "Steal" a PS3 or Xbox game in that way of course they are giong to concentrate their efforts to those formats.
In effect you people who do "steal" games in this way are contributin to PC gaming's downfall.
And then you all cry about having to have other software on your computers because of poeple stealing the games..!!!
So you have never borrowed a game or DVD to watch of your friends?
I was not talking about online games more single player.
I have spent thousand of dollars buying CDs DVDs and games over the years and I still do like I said in my other post most games I have brought and I am not a thief.
I like to have collection I still buy CDs and DVDs.
I am not saying that piracy is not theft XT the above post was just more asking a question.
Unfortunately I guess this is just part of the modern world with the net and technology when I was a kid the only way you could get a song without buying it was was to tape it off the radio lol.
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I suppose I am just more honest than a lot of poeple on these forums.
Certainly more British! :asian:
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i have but mostly for older games
several times ive owned a game and lost the cd or its broken so i download it
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My Pirate games folder is 54 GB. Is that bad?
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that means you win... unless someone can beat you
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I will download a game and if i like it ill buy it, When it comes to music though...I say stuff em.
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Xt, you realise that, until the recent changes to the copyright act, format shifting was the same offence as piracy? So while you say that you're honest, according to the laws, which seems to be what you base your moral compass on, you're just as much of a crook.
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I prefer to consider things like this from another standpoint. If you're selling copies of games you've burnt onto dvd, then you're a crook. Profiting from anothers work, seems like it fits the mold pretty neatly.
But what about the publishers. Lets accept the fact that most retail outfits will not take returns on PC games due to piracy concerns. Now consider that I've run into several games that will not run on my pc because of their copy protection systems. Games I have legitimately purchased do not run. But downloading cracked copies of these games allows me to run them. So these developers and publishers are selling a product that is defective by design. In their attempt to battle piracy they are actively working to make the end users life more difficult. Is that morally correct?
It's the same argument that can be applied to downloaded music. Why would I purchase music with DRM, knowing that I can do less with it, when I could download higher quality "pirated" material for free. There's been at least two major stories now about online music providers (iirc sony and microsoft) turning off DRM authentication servers, rendering all the music bought by people using those services absolutely worthless. That's what happens when music, or games, stop being a product and become a service.
Now for some games and music, this makes sense. MMORPG's are better classified as a service, as they are providing live updates and patches. But when was the last time that an extra track was added to an album you bought online? When was the last time the developer of a single player game added additional content after launch for free?
In my eyes, it comes down to these companies forgetting that people play games. For example, the original Red Alert allowed you to lend the second game disc to a friend, so you could play against them online without them buying a copy. That's a fucking genius idea, and something that customers totally responded to because it was a good thing. There was no downside to that plan for the customer.
Compare that to Blizzard suing people for selling WoW characters under the premise of intellectual property laws. They're essentially saying "because we don't make money from second hand products, it should be illegal to sell them". That's what intellectual property laws are used for Xt, not for the protection of the poor game publishers, but for the exploitation of the customers.
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Do you say the same about a car? Or your clothes or any other product out there?
the problem is it is very different from stealing a car or clothes - if i take these some one loses them, if i download a game who has lost what?
i live with a game developer and his room is filled with pirated games
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but you just sold on your rights to the intellectual property on that disc so by keeping a copy yourself and from your own definition you are a thief
Not at all - beause as soon as I had sold it I deleted he game in it's entirety. I'm surprised you didn't get that from my post - perhaps I should have worded it differently.
Instead of "I just sold CoD4 - did i burn it??" I should have said "I Just sold CoD4 and made sure I deleted it before the guy played it"
So you have never borrowed a game or DVD to watch of your friends?
I was not talking about online games more single player.
I have spent thousand of dollars buying CDs DVDs and games over the years and I still do like I said in my other post most games I have brought and I am not a thief.
I like to have collection I still buy CDs and DVDs.
I am not saying that piracy is not theft XT the above post was just more asking a question.
Unfortunately I guess this is just part of the modern world with the net and technology when I was a kid the only way you could get a song without buying it was was to tape it off the radio lol.
Of course I have borrowed music, and DVD's and you'll find there is no law against lending music/software etc. Copying it is another matter altogether.
Certainly more British! :asian:
Of course..!!!!
Xt, you realise that, until the recent changes to the copyright act, format shifting was the same offence as piracy? So while you say that you're honest, according to the laws, which seems to be what you base your moral compass on, you're just as much of a crook
Yes I do realise that - I wonder how many of us knew of that peculiarity prior to it being brought to our notice? However, that law has been changed now hasn't it?
But what about the publishers. Lets accept the fact that most retail outfits will not take returns on PC games due to piracy concerns. Now consider that I've run into several games that will not run on my pc because of their copy protection systems. Games I have legitimately purchased do not run. But downloading cracked copies of these games allows me to run them. So these developers and publishers are selling a product that is defective by design. In their attempt to battle piracy they are actively working to make the end users life more difficult. Is that morally correct?
It's the same argument that can be applied to downloaded music. Why would I purchase music with DRM, knowing that I can do less with it, when I could download higher quality "pirated" material for free. There's been at least two major stories now about online music providers (iirc sony and microsoft) turning off DRM authentication servers, rendering all the music bought by people using those services absolutely worthless. That's what happens when music, or games, stop being a product and become a service.
Now for some games and music, this makes sense. MMORPG's are better classified as a service, as they are providing live updates and patches. But when was the last time that an extra track was added to an album you bought online? When was the last time the developer of a single player game added additional content after launch for free?
In my eyes, it comes down to these companies forgetting that people play games. For example, the original Red Alert allowed you to lend the second game disc to a friend, so you could play against them online without them buying a copy. That's a fucking genius idea, and something that customers totally responded to because it was a good thing. There was no downside to that plan for the customer.
Compare that to Blizzard suing people for selling WoW characters under the premise of intellectual property laws. They're essentially saying "because we don't make money from second hand products, it should be illegal to sell them". That's what intellectual property laws are used for Xt, not for the protection of the poor game publishers, but for the exploitation of the customers.
There's a simple solution really - buy your games from Ghost, and if you don't like them take them back. Easy.
I do understand what you're saying and agree to a point. Developers should do more for gamers - EA are a classic, so many of their games seem unfinished. However, have you ever thought that a lot of the bus that we find can't be found until the game is released to a wider audience? I'm not saying that's right, just a thought.
Also, your exact attitude perpetuates the need for anti-piracy.
Have you ever thought that without the proliferation of torrent sites, muscis download sites and the like, there would be no need for those measures? Now in a perfect world that would be the case, however we're not in a perfect world and there are people who see nothing wrong with not paying for something they obviously think is a good product.
Personally, I like games like rFactor where the code is open to other developers to add more mods and tracks all free of charge - all we pay is the $60 odd USD to d/l the game then we get hundreds and hundreds of free mods and tracks - it's great and makes people want to play the game. If more developers were like that then most of us would be a lot happier.
I don't think there will ever be a perfect solution simply because just like with hacking, the pirates are always one step ahead of the developers and I for one think that's a shame.
I know I would want to be paid for work I do - especailly if what I did brought fun to millions of people.
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I also agree with what Arni said to me copying a game or CD to sell it and make money is really more the problem.
As you responded to my question yes you have borrowed DVDs of your friends to watch so whats the difference from me downloading a movie to watch then deleting it off my hard drive.
Most DVDs you find to that are shared that person who up loaded it brought it in the first place now he is choosing to share that movie with others..
I am not talking about the legal side of this just more your so called moral high ground I see no difference you did not pay for the movie you borrowed of your mate and watched did you?
Same as a game I just asked you before if I lent a game to my mate to play you said thats theft so what the difference?
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I also agree with what Arni said to me copying a game or CD to sell it and make money is really more the problem.
As you responded to my question yes you have borrowed DVDs of your friends to watch so whats the difference from me downloading a movie to watch then deleting it off my hard drive.
Most DVDs you find to that are shared that person who up loaded it brought it in the first place now he is choosing to share that movie with others..
I am not talking about the legal side of this just more your so called moral high ground I see no difference you did not pay for the movie you borrowed of your mate and watched did you?
Same as a game I just asked you before if I lent a game to my mate to play you said thats theft so what the difference?
I think the difference is in the intent.
Do you intend to keep the game/dvd that you have borrowed or not? Did you friend keep the game or not?
If the answer is yes they are keeping it then yes it's theft.
If not then it's not such an issue.
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Justify it anyway you like.
Have you seen the adverts at the start of DVD's?
Says exactly what I am saying - piracy is theft.
You are getting something that you are not entitled to, which should be paid for, that to me is the very definition of theft.
Who said I was justifying it?
I'm just saying they are different offenses, one much more serious than the other. Hell I've seen those ads at the start of the DVD's, ads at the theatres, they compare grand theft auto to downloading a movie.
They are ADS, do you believe everything you see in the media? the ADS are thrown to us by the MPAA, they are the most money grubbing bastards in the universe. The ads are bullshit because 1) it doesn't follow the legal definition of stealing, like I said before, according to the law, it is copyright infringement. 2) it doesn't follow with the dictionary definition of stealing.
You say that if you get something that you are not entitled to, which should be paid for, that is stealing. Well, every single person I know, according to you, is a thief. Even though I only know of two people who have actually stolen shit from shops, you are comparing all of us like them. Good one.
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I think the difference is in the intent.
Do you intend to keep the game/dvd that you have borrowed or not? Did you friend keep the game or not?
If the answer is yes they are keeping it then yes it's theft.
If not then it's not such an issue.
so if i take a car for a joy ride but bring it back it doesnt make me a thief? Of course not. the same principle applys for your above statement. it doesnt matter if you dont keep it, its that you took it/burnt it to begin with.
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so if i take a car for a joy ride but bring it back it doesnt make me a thief? Of course not. the same principle applys for your above statement. it doesnt matter if you dont keep it, its that you took it/burnt it to begin with.
Are you really comparing joy riding to borrowing a DVD?
Let's blow that one out of the water straight away.
Joy-riding = taking the car without the owner's permission = stealing.
Borrowing a DVD from a friend is with the owner's permission = borrowing.
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Are you really comparing joy riding to borrowing a DVD?
Let's blow that one out of the water straight away.
Joy-riding = taking the car without the owner's permission = stealing.
Borrowing a DVD from a friend is with the owner's permission = borrowing.
hey your the one who lumps stealing a car in with downloading a form of digital entertainment.
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Well i'm more of a fan of the Multiplayer side of things... Usually i'll hire a game out for the Multiplayer with my mates, Crack/Copy and Buy if i want to play online.
Because you need a legit CD-key, And if it's decent
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I'm about half way between the middle two. I end up buying a lot of the stuff I pirate, or I delete it. I have had 1 or 2 keepers though... but I haven't pirated a game in a while, it's just too big. I can't pirate 6GB (thanks to my generosity, with a 1:1 share ratio, that comes out to 12GB), I'm all ready restricted to 30GB a month. I get near there without torrents.
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i dont dl games much. I did dl the other day to see if it was worth buying, there are two of us that game here therefore whatever we buy i have to buy two of, so there is no way im shelling out $200 for 2 copies to find the game is absolute shite.
as for movies, well if we were to go its a setback of $80 a hit for tickets, dinner and munchies, thats what i spend on my netbill a month. and im an avid movie watcher,i roughly watch 4-7 movies a week.
i dont dl music, dont really listen to it much.
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im restrcited to 20 - 30gigs a month so some thing arent an option.
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What's a mitigating factor for stealing something that doesn't belong to you?
I may be showing my age now, but I now agree with Xt1ncT.
All the illegal piraters I have ever met
The MAJORITY of the piraters that I have met have been thieving, lazy, thoughtless, sociopathic scumbags.
The world needs less of them.
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i tend to dl a game and try it before i buy it.
I am from a generation when shareware was gaming... you could get 99% of the game as shareware and if you liked it you bought it.
today demos are nothing more than a scripted 5min look at me and often don't showcase enough of the game.
I do download the occasional movie and tv show that i cant get elsewhere like good oldies etc.
an if you want to label me a pirate then fine.. however look at my steam account to know that any game i have ever liked i have purchased so my downloading a game to try it is the truth of the matter.
http://www.steamcalculator.com/id/xsannz
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i tend to dl a game and try it before i buy it.
I would do this, but I know too many people who go out and buy games so I either borrow it from them (Skyrim was a good example of this) or play on their computer.
If it is good, it goes in the bought pile. If it is bad it is forgotten.
I am from a generation when shareware was gaming... you could get 99% of the game as shareware and if you liked it you bought it.
Funny thing with shareware games was that you could mod them. The last moddable game demo I can think of is Battlefield 2.
today demos are nothing more than a scripted 5min look at me and often don't showcase enough of the game.
Oh Mirrors Edge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirrors_edge), how you managed to steal so much money from unsuspecting gamers.
I do download the occasional movie and tv show that i cant get elsewhere like good oldies etc.
an if you want to label me a pirate then fine.. however look at my steam account to know that any game i have ever liked i have purchased so my downloading a game to try it is the truth of the matter.
[url]http://www.steamcalculator.com/id/xsannz[/url]
I've downloaded movies: Vampyr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampyr) and Birth of a Nation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_of_a_nation) and I am all the better for it.
Also: Steam and the Humble Bundles has forever made the whole affair of video game piracy highly questionable.
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I don't usually get new games because of how shit this pc is, But if I think the developer really deserves the money, I'll buy it. I'll also do it if its a cheap game.
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I end up buying 95% of the games I 'rip off' and I always buy Indie games no matter what. For me personally I feel cheated out of $90 if a PC title is shit because I didn't get to Demo it first.
I also wish Steam had a ‘pass on’ feature, so if you didn’t like a game, you could either:
- Pass it onto a friend for free or
- Pass it onto a friend for a fee (not exceeding the original cost of the game)
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I end up buying 95% of the games I 'rip off' and I always buy Indie games no matter what. For me personally I feel cheated out of $90 if a PC title is shit because I didn't get to Demo it first.
This ^ as soon as a game is released, I usually jump on Warez-bb and grab a copy from there, then if I know I'm going to be spending a lot of time playing it, or it's just downright good, I'll buy it.
Also, about that 'pass on' feature, I agree, if you could pass it on to a friend, for maybe a discounted price, which means Steam would still be getting money for a second-hand game and it wouldn't just go to waste and collect dust, metaphorically speaking.
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http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/07/03/european-court-of-justice-rules-on-the-right-to-sell-your-digital-games-and-licenses/
Speak of the devil.
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[url]http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/07/03/european-court-of-justice-rules-on-the-right-to-sell-your-digital-games-and-licenses/[/url]
Speak of the devil.
What the: That only happened yesterday!
Does someone in this forum have FutureSight or something?
Passing on a game you didnt like is a good idea. Not everyone liked Limbo and handing it to one of your goth friends as a present would be pretty cool.
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I used to pirate a lot more than I do now (Arrr!)
main reasons I used to Pirate:
Game prices in NZ are overpriced:
remember I came from the UK - 20-30 pounds for a new release was all good, especially when earning UK pounds - but over here the prices are $100-$120 for a new release and earning NZD this is quite expensive
There are some games I had that only ever got played at LANs - paying full price for these when I only played them about once every 3 months - its little bit much.
Before steam Etc - I used to pirate simply because I was forever loosing CDs etc. so it was easier to pirate a game, crack it than buy it and have to mess around with the CD each time I wanted to play.
As for TV shows - all I am going to say is this:
I pay for MySky with some channel packages - I don't want to wait 6 months-over a year to watch a series that has been released in the US, even SOHO still has a delay in the screening in the US and the release over here. I don't want to wait and so if the powers that be won't give me an easy way to pay for content that I want without any delay then I will look elsewhere....
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Are you really comparing joy riding to borrowing a DVD?
Let's blow that one out of the water straight away.
Joy-riding = taking the car without the owner's permission = stealing.
Borrowing a DVD from a friend is with the owner's permission = borrowing.
Hullo Xt1ncT from 4 years ago.
Your friend only owns the physical media.
The content is always owned by the rights holder, thus borrowing it is borrowing it without the owners permission.
Now, back to the future I go.
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I can't remember the last game I pirated, cbf with it these days.
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I pirated trade lanes in Empire: Total War.
Those French don't know what hit them.
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What the: That only happened yesterday!
Does someone in this forum have FutureSight or something?
Passing on a game you didnt like is a good idea. Not everyone liked Limbo and handing it to one of your goth friends as a present would be pretty cool.
I just so happened to be awake when PCG posted this, read through it, and thought it had to be a massive coincidence that I'd read Munchie's post and then this pops up haha =P
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What a coincidence hah :D. I buy my games off CJS now, some of the games are crazy cheap!
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I also wish Steam had a ‘pass on’ feature, so if you didn’t like a game, you could either:
- Pass it onto a friend for free or
- Pass it onto a friend for a fee (not exceeding the original cost of the game)
I don't really see how this could make any sense. The developers (and steam) would end up getting less money then if your friend would just buy the game for the normal price, there's no advantage to them at all to offer this kind of feature.
A refund, or time trial feature would make more sense, and should be very possible for steam, where you can chose to get a 80% refund for your game within the first 10 days if you don't want it. People would be more willing to fork out cash if they knew they could get thier money back, and if it's a good game, people will end up keeping the game and developers might get even more sales.
You could maybe also have the option of being able to Gift the game within the first 10 days if you don't like it.
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What if the person wasn't going to buy the game anyway? Still no sale for Steam.
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What if the person wasn't going to buy the game anyway? Still no sale for Steam.
If they weren't going to buy it, why should they get it for free?
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After the initial launch of a game no one would buy a "new" copy, since there is no difference between new and old digital copy. It would be a stupid idea for Steam to implement, great for the users but it would fuck the industry.
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After the initial launch of a game no one would buy a "new" copy, since there is no difference between new and old digital copy. It would be a stupid idea for Steam to implement, great for the users but it would fuck the industry.
The 'Used Game Industry' has been and will forever be a thorn in the Gaming Industries (sp) side.
Extra Credits: On the resale of games
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/04/16/an-employee-believes-gamestops-used-game-racket-would-be-illegal-if-government-regulated/[/url]
An Employee Believes GameStop's Used Game Racket Would Be Illegal If Government-Regulated
Ask any videogame developer or publisher about the practice of used game sales and they’ll talk about how much it’s hurting the games industry. Asking them without a recorder rolling will likely get some very colorful language, to boot. But the sales of used games – which see 100 percent of profits going to the retailer and zero percent going back to the game creators – remains a huge issue for the continued healthy growth of the industry.
I am in two minds about the second hand game industry.
JB Hi Fi sell some second hand games for TEN DOLLARS. TEN. And not bad games either: Alpha Protocol was worth way more than ten dollars. The only problem with it was getting the damn thing to run because it is horribly bugged (http://www.unigamesity.com/fix-alpha-protocol-stuttering-and-not-starting-problems/). Also: Final Fantasy 13 for $12?
Nah. Its not worth $12.
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Final fantasy? Nothing final about 13 sequels
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Final fantasy? Nothing final about 13 sequels
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/000/681/what-you-did-there-i-see-it.thumbnail.jpg)
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I'd like the current gaming industry to cease existing. So pirating sounds like my only option.
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If they weren't going to buy it, why should they get it for free?
Either free or a certain price can be established between parties/Steam. Or maybe a 24hour refund policy on Steam would be nice. OR how about a 24hour full trial on any game before you buy... mmmm XD
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Either free or a certain price can be established between parties/Steam. Or maybe a 24hour refund policy on Steam would be nice. OR how about a 24hour full trial on any game before you buy... mmmm XD
Because most no-lifers beat a game within 10hrs of its release.
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I don't see how giving away a full game for 24 hours would work, like steam games aren't pirated easily enough already.
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I don't see how giving away a full game for 24 hours would work, like steam games aren't pirated easily enough already.
Why wouldn't it work? Steam would just need to remove the game from your account after the trial is finished. It would be the same process which prevents you from playing any steam game you don't own.
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Well they could make it any limit they want. 1hour - 24hours depending on the game. Steam could just remove it from the library list or deactivate if you choose not to buy it.
I guess when the trial runs out a pop up could say:
Do you want to purchase
Yes
No
I haven’t decided yet
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A paid trial sounds like a good idea to me, to stop people blasting through the game quickly then not buying it. $10, maybe $15, for a few days access to some of the game, then the option to pay the rest of the full price to unlock the full game. If you don't like the game, then at least then you haven't wasted much money on it and the game makers/publishers get something back for their effort.
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Well they could make it any limit they want. 1hour - 24hours depending on the game. Steam could just remove it from the library list or deactivate if you choose not to buy it.
Don't they do this all the time at the moment with free play weekends? No reason why it can't be extended to all games for 24 hours or something. I like this idea.
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So my favourite hackers gets all the games code delivered to him via steam, and he modifies it and releases it as a torrent. Yea great idea, please do this steam.
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I think you are missing the point that from time to time on selected games, steam does already do this.
Plus, what is the difference between dl it via steam then cracking it as opposed to using a torrent program. Pirates will pirate regardless.
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Don't they do this all the time at the moment with free play weekends? No reason why it can't be extended to all games for 24 hours or something. I like this idea.
That is good idea :D
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Edit poll
Add "Bacon" option
???
Profit
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I've been stung by some ultra shit indy film game crossover crap on steam.
Fucking thing was nothing more than a flash slideshow.
Apparently it won awards. Must have been dished out by emo hipsters.
I'd have gotten my money back if I could've. Hell I'd even just go for never having it come up in my library ever again. But instead it's forever stuck there as a reminder that I epicly failed and paid money for a flash game ON STEAM.
Actually no, I'd not like to just hide it from my library list, because I'd still know that it's there. I'd prefer to purge all reference to the fact that I ever paid money for it. (So far as Steam goes).
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I've been stung by some ultra shit indy film game crossover crap on steam.
Fucking thing was nothing more than a flash slideshow.
Apparently it won awards. Must have been dished out by emo hipsters.
I have to know what game this is! I found Auditorium, but it cant be that game.
The Mighty Ape sale I got a whole bunch of games from were selling them for about $10 with free shipping. You can get them on steam as well, but I like games to have boxes.
Oddly enough the games I bought did not include instructions.
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something like "injury" or "carwreck" or the like.
User manuals are usually packaged as a PDF on the physical media these days (or downloaded with the digital media).
Games bascially come in this stupidly oversized box for even less of a reason than they used to. Even the DVD style cases are OTT when you think about it. Usually only 1 disc. And at about 1/4 the size of your average USB drive these days. Imagine if USB drives came with ROM instead of a flash chip. That would be cool. Then us oldies could blow into the adaptor end of the drive before putting it into the USB slot for nostalgia's sake :P
Ah yeah, I remember.
"Trauma".
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On the other hand I've bought some seemingly cool looking games that I've never been able to play.
You might be interested Tiwa, turn based strategy seems to be your thing.
Greed Corp.
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On the other hand I've bought some seemingly cool looking games that I've never been able to play.
You might be interested Tiwa, turn based strategy seems to be your thing.
Greed Corp.
Actually a friend of mine showed me a steam game which looked amazing to me:
SpaceChem (http://store.steampowered.com/app/92800/)
It is basically a chemistry game where you create molecules from elements and use factories to create products and stuff.
Totally reminded me of the surprisingly easy to cheat Programming Game: Manufactoria
http://www.kongregate.com/games/PleasingFungus/manufactoria
p.s I've completed manufactoria by cheating.
SpaceChem is very similar to one of my database projects, except I was doing things like
Cotton -> Cloth
Cloth -> Turban
Wood -> Gun Stock
2 x Iron + Coal -> Steel
Steel -> Gun Barrel
Gun Stock + Gun Barrel -> AK47
AK47 + Turban -> Terrorist.
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I think you are missing the point that from time to time on selected games, steam does already do this.
Plus, what is the difference between dl it via steam then cracking it as opposed to using a torrent program. Pirates will pirate regardless.
No I understand that, but only multiplayer games that require online verification, they don't do it for single player games AFAIK. Yes pirates will pirate, especially if you give your new release to them free.
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Actually a friend of mine showed me a steam game which looked amazing to me:
SpaceChem ([url]http://store.steampowered.com/app/92800/[/url])
It is basically a chemistry game where you create molecules from elements and use factories to create products and stuff.
Totally reminded me of the surprisingly easy to cheat Programming Game: Manufactoria
[url]http://www.kongregate.com/games/PleasingFungus/manufactoria[/url]
SapceChem is not a chemistry game, it's a puzzle game with a sci-fi chemistry theme.
It's awesome.
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No I understand that, but only multiplayer games that require online verification, they don't do it for single player games AFAIK. Yes pirates will pirate, especially if you give your new release to them free.
So the pirates excuess to pirate games is because there is no way for a pirate to play the game before they buy it.
But if the pirates were given the option to play it before buying it, they will still pirate it because it's easier.
So what's your point?
Pirates will pirate regardless. I see this as an option for people like me (and a large majority of others), who would like to try out a game (as in a time trial) without having to pay full price for it. We shouldn't get punished because of dickhead pirates.
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Hmm so game makers, and distributors should ignore the existence of pirates, and release all games without protection, for your convenience.
You are getting punished? Howso, you enjoyed very limited generosity, if thats not extended to all titles, as you seem to expect, you feel punished? A little childish and greedy aren't you ?
The pirates excuse? What excuse, no excuse was ever given. They pirate simply because they can.
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I pirate because I enjoy adventure on the high seas.
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I'm in it for the rum, and wenchs.
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I'm in it for the rum, and wenchs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LIZrHUPSzE
And somewhere in that Crowd is a very intoxicated Demon Lord
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Came across this the other day and I thought it was a very very cool approach to the whole thing.
http://keyserver.linuxgamepublishing.com/about.php
I like the part where if you share it out, whoever you share it to can turn around and fuck you over. Put the onus back on the user.
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Too bad all those games are a decade old.
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Haven't you heard, retro is back *sixties dance
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Too bad all those games are a decade old.
I wasn't looking at the games.
I like the anti piracy system.
Although if that keyserver ever fails... :S
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LIZrHUPSzE[/url]
And somewhere in that Crowd is a very intoxicated Demon Lord
Alestorm fuck yeah, also I am insanely jealous you have been to Wacken.. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your genitals ;-P
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Alestorm fuck yeah, also I am insanely jealous you have been to Wacken.. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your genitals ;-P
Wacken was Awesome - I wish I had the money to go back but Alas Weddings are pricey and so is Flights to Germany :(
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Hmm so game makers, and distributors should ignore the existence of pirates, and release all games without protection, for your convenience.
You are getting punished? Howso, you enjoyed very limited generosity, if thats not extended to all titles, as you seem to expect, you feel punished? A little childish and greedy aren't you ?
The pirates excuse? What excuse, no excuse was ever given. They pirate simply because they can.
I found an interesting article when trying to find a DVD Player that has HDMI Input
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9870317-1.html
Why don't video recorders have HDMI inputs? by John P. Falcone | February 22, 2008 5:00 AM PST
It's a great question. High-Definition Multimedia Interface provides the advantage of passing a high-bandwidth all-digital high-definition video and audio signal on a single cable, as opposed to the tangle of component video plus audio cables that were required for HD. (If those terms are Greek to you, check out the connectivity section of the CNET TV Buying Guide.) HDMI is now the standard connector for HDTVs and all of the HD-capable components that connect to them--DVD players and recorders, DVRs, game consoles, Blu-ray and HD DVD players, and even camcorders and PCs. But all of those are video sources that only have HDMI outputs. You'll find HDMI inputs only on AV receivers, HDMI switchers, and--of course--TVs. So, why the disparity?
Not surprisingly, the dearth of HDMI inputs on recording devices is by design. The HDMI specification includes a copy-protection scheme known as High-Definition Copy Protection. So to use HDMI (and get the snazzy HDMI certification logo on your device), manufacturers need to ensure that their products are HDCP-compliant. That pretty much means that HDMI inputs are limited to display devices (TVs) and repeaters (AV receivers and switchers). Those repeaters are so-called "passthrough" devices--they can do little more than pass the HD video signal onto the next device (invariably, the TV). But, by definition, that HDCP-encoded video signal is designed to be unrecordable. That's why there are no recorders with an HDMI input. (You won't find HDMI inputs on Slingbox products for the same reason.)
So what's the alternative? Recorders with component video inputs are few and far between: Philips had component-in on its otherwise lackluster DVD recorders in years past, as did Sony on at least one model--but both companies have since dropped the feature. The upcoming Hauppauge video encoder supposedly can accept and process 1080p video via its component inputs. Likewise, several Slingbox models (as well as competing placeshifting products from Sony, Monsoon/HAVA, and Pinnacle) can accept component video--including HD streams--and pass it through to a TV or AV receiver. However, for recording you're pretty much stuck either with "closed box" HD DVRs or utilizing the so-called analog hole: the composite or S-Video output from your DVR, cable, or satellite box will still output an analog video signal--not in high-definition, of course--that's easily recordable. Which is why they're the only two inputs you'll find on your DVD recorder. (Speaking of which: make sure you use S-Video in--the quality is noticeably better than composite.)
The irony here, as usual, is that honest users who just want more convenience, better quality, and fewer wires are the losers--even as digital piracy remains as rampant as ever (thanks to PC-based recording, not set-top recorders). Still, don't expect Hollywood studios or electronics manufacturers to change their tune on this one. For the same reason, I wouldn't hold my breath for a set-top Blu-ray recorder in North America anytime soon (despite the fact that they've long been available in Japan).
You learn quite alot about Component/Composite/S-Video/Coaxial/HDMI cabling when you try to plug anything modern into an old RCA Crt TV
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You learn quite alot about Component/Composite/S-Video/Coaxial/HDMI cabling when you try to plug anything modern into an old RCA Crt TV
Or research if it's possible to adapt a plug to go into the RCA or S-Video inputs on your TV from your Sega Mega Drive 2 because analog tuning is going the way of the dinosaur.
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Or research if it's possible to adapt a plug to go into the RCA or S-Video inputs on your TV from your Sega Mega Drive 2 because analog tuning is going the way of the dinosaur.
Apparently you can buy the MX HDMI to AV Converter (http://mdrelectronics.com/ProductDisplay.asp?PID=5471)
(http://mdrelectronics.com/images/Products/3363.jpg)
However, check out this bad boy:
http://www.amazon.com/Energizer-Power-Universal-Output-Cables/dp/B0078QOXJI
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Qj0M3kixL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
With a connector to Wii, Xbox360, or PS3 and outputs to Component, Composite, or S-Video
I am pretty sure I will be using the Universal Output Cable to pirate many a Hollywood Movie. Thanks Hollywood!
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set top boxes: the worst thing for the industry since the VCR.
True story.
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What the hell is this? People pirated World of Goo?
Why would you do such a thing?
Jimquisition: When Piracy Becomes Theft (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en9DBTPsjVo#ws)
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highlights how much better torrents are than steam. or how shit people are, or maybe a bit of both.
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some games just arent worth paying for