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General => General Chat => Topic started by: Vonn Braun on December 19, 2005, 10:39:04 pm
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After hearing the recent news on how "Darwina" developer might go under due to lack of game sales I thought to myself that the gaming industry is becoming a sad place. Games like COD2 and BF2 reign supreme with generic "already been done" things while the truly innovative games get trampled. Games like System Shock 2, Theif 3, Scrapland,NOLF all get overlooked, no matter how good the reviewers tell people the game is, the public is like a game publisher always going for the safe-bet in a genre they have played millions of times before.
I think game of the year for me would have been Vietcong 2. Overlooked by many for not having fancy graphics and the lure of COD2.
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Remember those Gigapets that everyone all wanted and adored back in the 1990's?
They were pulled of the market after peoples pets kept dying in a matter of weeks, after such a bad demostration of quality who would have thought they would return?
They are back again today, exactly the same but under a new name. This time i wasnt attracted by them like i was before, in fact i noticed how lame they were.
However they still selled in the rocket load just like they did before, kids who have never seen them treated them like something new and fascinating.
The toy makers didnt quit on a profitable idea, neither do game designers. Games like BF2 and COD2 may be old ideas, but not to new gamers. And they will have the same affect on new gamers just as they did to you when the FPS genre first came out.
Perhaps its not the games, your simply growing up.
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Game developers arn't going to make a different style of game if no-one buys it. BF2 etc... is standard FPS but the game is FPS! It's the safe bet. Alot of people do not like the different type of games.
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Darwinia = Crappy Looking
(http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/236/reviews/925872_20050825_screen002.jpg)
Call of Duty 2 = Sexy
(http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/297/reviews/921995_20051025_screen001.jpg)
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I also remember the days when games belonged to a group called *shareware*.... games were spread freely thorugh the then arcane network called the internet. These days, i walk down to my local Dick Smith store and buy a game worth 90 bux. The developers of games back then use to be any one who was smart and had an imagination. These days, anyone who has a huge wad of cash can make a game. No developer lets there imagination run free anymore. I think this is y HL2 has such a big push behind it. Its a freely modable game. Eveery single part of the source engine is open to imagination.
I think Darwinia has changed the way that people look at games for the rest of our lives. Do we develop another linear fps title? Or stretch the brains of the future generation? ITS UP TO YOU!
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Darwinia was crappy looking by intention, its setting is a living civilisation in a virtual world. The makers of the game made it so it actualy looks virtual.
Its one guys emagination of what the world would look like if it was a giant supercomputer.
But if its sexy looking graphics that is the reason why darwinia has poor sales, then we really are as stupid as those fat-cat moneybag "game developers" think we are.
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I also remember the days when games belonged to a group called *shareware*.... games were spread freely thorugh the then arcane network called the internet. These days, i walk down to my local Dick Smith store and buy a game worth 90 bux. The developers of games back then use to be any one who was smart and had an imagination. These days, anyone who has a huge wad of cash can make a game. No developer lets there imagination run free anymore. I think this is y HL2 has such a big push behind it. Its a freely modable game. Eveery single part of the source engine is open to imagination.
I think Darwinia has changed the way that people look at games for the rest of our lives. Do we develop another linear fps title? Or stretch the brains of the future generation? ITS UP TO YOU!
personally i like the type of games we have. all these news game look and play liek crap.
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Darwinia was crappy looking by intention, its setting is a living civilisation in a virtual world. The makers of the game made it so it actualy looks virtual.
Its one guys emagination of what the world would look like if it was a giant supercomputer.
But if its sexy looking graphics that is the reason why darwinia has poor sales, then we really are as stupid as those fat-cat moneybag "game developers" think we are.
Exactly what i was saying.
Fat cats rule over ours and story writers imaginations. It should be the other way around.
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personally i like the type of games we have. all these news game look and play liek crap.
Yes, i also like the games we play today. But what will our future generation be playing? BattleField 20: Galaxy Combat? Hl10: the lost solarsystem?
If we play the same stuff all the time, its not good for us. Children wont be able to think or do things for them selves, because they rely on games to do i for them. There will be a massive job loss, and transportation, economics, medical and other important skills will go down the drain because *No one could be bothered*
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Looks like they rule over Killer as well.
It takes emagination to appreciate emagination.
:edit: if FPS is overused it will eventually bore, then the old RTS, RPG and simulations (once forgotten) will look new and fascinating. They wont die out for as long as gaming veterans will remember them.
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:edit: if FPS is overused it will eventually bore, then the old RTS, RPG and simulations (once forgotten) will look new and fascinating. They wont die out for as long as gaming veterans will remember them.
Exactly, Take WoW for example.
Its a game thats purely devoted to the players imagination and never comes to an ending point. The players temselves even have the choice of what happens in the game as it progresses. In games such as BF2, we are shown whats right from wrong. Its pretty muched shoved in our faces. WoW leaes the rules open for experimentation. We can even find chances where the rules bend for just enough time to keep us motivated. If only we didnt have to pay $40 Australian every two months.
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Exactly, Take WoW for example.
Its a game thats purely devoted to the players imagination and never comes to an ending point. The players temselves even have the choice of what happens in the game as it progresses. In games such as BF2, we are shown whats right from wrong. Its pretty muched shoved in our faces. WoW leaes the rules open for experimentation. We can even find chances where the rules bend for just enough time to keep us motivated. If only we didnt have to pay $40 Australian every two months.
do you even play bf2?
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of curse i do.
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and your gamename would be...
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and your gamename would be...
tommosimmo
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Darwinia is a great game. It may look 'crap' but personally I think it plays a damnsight better than COD2. Its a unique concept for a start...not like 'lets take a best selling game, give it new graphics and then shuffle the campaigns around a bit...ooooo! Its 100% new'. Yeah right.
Sure it was fun and all but man...talk about the same shit over and over. I actually got bored and I haven't bothered to finish it.
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Games like System Shock 2, Theif 3, Scrapland,NOLF all get overlooked
I think game of the year for me would have been Vietcong 2. Overlooked by many for not having fancy graphics and the lure of COD2.
Thief 3 was absloute arse, Repeditave crap.
Vietcong 2 is a real flop too, If you were a fan of the original this game would make you want to rip your testies off, Go read pretty much any review from a gaming company/community and they will say the same, it's not just based on the graphics, (although they did use the same engine, 2 years later....)
there are huge gameplay flaws aswell.
Little games that are released from small companies/one man bands 90% of the time flop, purley beacuse they don't have the funds for advertising and development, It's like saying socitey shouldn't be all into skinny as fuck blonde girls ect ect. but thats just not how it works, The big fish always wins.
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Thief 3 was absloute arse, Repeditave crap.
Vietcong 2 is a real flop too, If you were a fan of the original this game would make you want to rip your testies off, Go read pretty much any review from a gaming company/community and they will say the same, it's not just based on the graphics, (although they did use the same engine, 2 years later....)
there are huge gameplay flaws aswell.
Little games that are released from small companies/one man bands 90% of the time flop, purley beacuse they don't have the funds for advertising and development, It's like saying socitey shouldn't be all into skinny as fuck blonde girls ect ect. but thats just not how it works, The big fish always wins.
all those games vonn said are budget games made for crappy computers
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all those games vonn said are budget games made for crappy computers
Dear god are you retarded?!
System Shock 2, NOLF and Scrapland are not 'budget games made for crappy computers'.
Have you ever played them? Do you even know when they were made? Do you have any idea what you are talking about at all?
If you did know what you were talking about then you would be well aware that SS2 and NOLF are 2 of the most highly regarded games in PC history. By both gamers and critics alike.
Scrapland is more recent and not as highly regarded but it is by no means a 'budget game made for crappy computers'. Honestly, the idiocy of some people never ceases to amaze me.
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someone needs to take a chill pill. just cus someone says sumthing you dont agree with DUSNT MEAN THE WORLD IS GOING TO END
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Its not that I don't agree with you its that you are so blatantly wrong.
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Dear god are you retarded?!
was that really needed
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The tone of these forums has certainly dropped over time
This thread has made me realise that maybe its not just the developers not taking a chance
You can't blaming a company for releasing stuff they know will sell
I think the gamers are to scared to take a chance as well
when you walk into a store and you see two games next each other
One it BattleField7 and the other is a new game that you havn't heard much about but it looks like it could be really cool, or totaly crap
Do you get BF7 which you know is gonna be shit, full of bugs and only haf finnished
but you know exactly what you're getting and it won't drop below a certain standard
Or do you go for the lesser known game on the chance that it could be really really good
it could also be a big disapointment but there's still a chance
It's this McGaming attitude of gamers thats killing games, not the companys
If people want new inovative games with great ideas
they will make them
If people want a bigmac meal for $5.95
they'll make that
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well said verrt. Like i said in the first post: game developers dont quit on a profitable idea
I have come to realise that the quality of games is determined by just another personality attribute.
While i was reading the steam forums i have come across alot of trolls who complain about games and cannot appreciate a single good point of anything. But as i compared troll by troll i found that none of them like the same thing, one would say HL2 is the only satasfying game and for good reason. At the same time he will call Far cry crap and cheap and for good reason.
Another will say HL2 was crap and cheap for good reason. while thinking Far Cry had perfect detail for good reason. Not one troll could come to agreement.
This clearly cannot be the fault of the games themselves, its all how people interpret them.
Further evidence comes from the "best games" thread, according to that all games are the best game. This means there is no real "best" game, neither can there be bad games.
Some of you will say Gameplay > Graphics
Some of you will say Physics > Detail
None of us will totaly agree on which is which, it all depends on your induvidual gaming taste.
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if only i could get redneck rampage to run on windows xp
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all those games vonn said are budget games made for crappy computers
What are you talking about man? Try getting Theif 3 to run with dynamic shadows on anything less than a 9800xt over 30fps then make a sensible statement. Secondly SS2 and NOLF 2 are some of the greatest overlooked but respected games ever made, while I mentioned Scrapland because to me it was a breath of fresh air, it wasn't a WW2 shooter or a zombie blast fest. The game reminded me of Spyro on the PSone with it's interesting enviroments, imaginative characters and the games scope, I mean it did a hell of a lot more than GTA with better graphics, flying around a huge futuristic city with hundreds of flying cars minding their own business and looking 10 million times better than GTA and without the gangster rap crap.
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Just ignore comments like that VB, not worth getting worked up out
you'll just get an ulcer
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Gaming underdogs will never get anywhere, There either crap and dont sell of if there good they get brought out.
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civilisation1, best game ever.
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I guess at the end of the day its also what each indivaul is into, I myself got into online games because I got addicted to CS and really enjoyed FPS and online gaming.
Before that I used to only play console. The only PC game I used to play was heores and command and conquer red alert.
Its funny how much games have evolved some of you youngins may not remeber all the old systems but I do.
The games were so basic but they were so much fun.
One of my mates jst got heaps of old arcade games on his X-box and hole atari back cataluge they so much fun nothing fancy jst old school simple game play no high tech grahics but they are still so much fun.
That the problem with technology advancing so rapdily you just take new things for granted.
If you had shown me a game like BF2 when I was 10 years old I probly shit my self but it would have blown my mind and im only 28 but the gaming world has taken off and advanced so much over the years. Just enjoy it I say.
Anyone got any ideas or thoughts of where the future of gaming will go.
Will it be like matrix styles one day and we plug into your rig and go into a virual world ahh who knows. I allways though one of those big rooms like in sci-fi where the whole room becomes your enviment hologram deck or whatever the trekys and shit call them
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Im thinking eventualy all games will be online constant worlds
and they will replace television once PCs and consolse and digital TV finaly finnish their slow process of merging into one
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Im thinking eventualy all games will be online constant worlds
and they will replace television once PCs and consolse and digital TV finaly finnish their slow process of merging into one
You beleive in fairys too dont you?
Eventually, like, in a very, very, VERY long time away perhaps, but not in the next 50 or even 100 years, mostlikely more. It would require a whole generation to get brought up on it before it would become really mainstream.
With that comment, does anyone wonder what the technology will be that we wont understand when we are senior citizens, and our grandkids have to teach us how to use it? I mean at the moment its pretty much PC's, but think about it.
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whats NOLF?
system shock 2 was ok i found it totally frustrating that ammo was always sparse, and that the game prevented you from playing as a gun happy shoot it if it moves type... so never got that far into it.
game history is set in 1 man band game writers, BUT modern games are far more complex, and we consumers expect that complexity to develop further.
i played darwinia for about 30 seconds for some reason i get 5 seconds per frame max, and its rather crap to play ANY game like that. i suppose theres some setting or something but i only downlaoded the demo, CBF'ed fixing a demo to work, but it did put me off buying it.
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You beleive in fairys too dont you?
Eventually, like, in a very, very, VERY long time away perhaps, but not in the next 50 or even 100 years, mostlikely more. It would require a whole generation to get brought up on it before it would become really mainstream.
And yet someone mentioned pluging a computer straight into your brain and you didn't say a thing
I did say eventualy and I also said it was a slow process
But I see it as inevidable
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whats NOLF?
No One Lives forever.... NOLF 2 certainty makes my list of favorite games.
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I don't think it will be 50 or 100 years. more like 10.
I played tv tennis and spaceys as a kid - why would the rate of change slow to 50 - 100 years?
I dislike mmorpg's because I like to own my fun and not pay and pay and pay
but - a mmorpg developer is most likely to enhance/improve/patch/adapt to player feedback if they still retain ownership over time - its in their best financial interest to.
I buy McSoftware - mainly coz then i own it, but I now expect it to have bugs and I expect to have to download patches and run user community mods and add-ons etc
I can play when I want, whine about it cose I bought it, place it on myself and know that I may never play it again, but happily its there if I ever do.
and so a regular Joe - I can't buy everything so I look for what I think are the good ones - something that will be fun playing. mostly that it games other pl are playing.
rearly do I enjoy a great game of Myst....some pl do..jus not me.
When I look for a game - the repuation of the development company has more and more to do with my choice I make. sure I joined the queue for BF2, but honestly, i think Dice do a goodish job. I could name worse.
the other thing which has amused me often is the whining in forums when a game turns out bad.
Developers often get paid to complete a scope - so if the scope doesn't not include a patch - its more the duty of the commining company to remedy the problem. its indictative of how credible they are if they screw up this in a contract.
basic bugs that are significant to the game role - unforgivable in my view, poor testing and software developement process. indicative of a newer team or cheaper job.
everyway as punters - we make our choices to get the best value for our money, while its the software vendors job to make the most profit.
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basic bugs that are significant to the game role - unforgivable in my view, poor testing and software developement process. indicative of a newer team or cheaper job.
That is so incredibly true, and with the 'advent'(thought Console Online Gaming has been around for quite a while)of the new Xbox live program, Im quite sure the Xbox 360 developers will be shoving out half-finished games by the truckload. Why? Because they can just patch it later!
Counter-Strike: Source(!!!!!) came out buggy as hell and STILL has some quite serious issues. Thank goodness it was free, had I had to pay for it I'd be incredibly annoyed.
On topic: I cant say that games are becoming less innovative, just less...varied
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On topic: I cant say that games are becoming less innovative, just less...varied
Actually the former is applicable, there's plenty of variety now :)
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Actually the former is applicable, there's plenty of variety now :)
Depends on the genre:
Like your FPS gritty, realistic, cover-based, two weapons, and without a health bar?
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Magic heals.
"Medic, I've been shot!"
"Are you dead?"
"No..."
"Jog it off buddy."
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Remember those Gigapets that everyone all wanted and adored back in the 1990's?
There is an utterly fascinating and free game you can play called Puzzle Monsters
http://www.superfundungeonrun.com/PuzzleMonsters/
It is a cross between Pokemon, Bejeweled, and Puzzle Bobble.