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General => General Chat => Topic started by: Tatsu.p on March 11, 2011, 09:06:28 pm
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Thought I'd start a new thread to the Christchurch one.
Must watch video.
http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/8-quake-jolts-japan-triggers-tsunami-4058622/video
Live Feed
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
New Zealand will probably be hit by a tsunami C.D. is watching the Pacific flow before giving out a warning.
Potential Tsunami hit times -
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That tsunami is bitching
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/video.cfm?c_id=2&gal_objectid=10711752&gallery_id=117232
All I can say is F*%& being on that bridge! Looks like the water's starting to go over it at the far end of the bridge on the end of the vid.
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watching a massive oil refinery burning out of control, several nuclear power stations shut down automatic but no reports of radioactive leaks.
If you are near the coast, turn on your radio and pack up your valuables, photos and important documents because the could be a tsunami in NZ and OZ as well as the rest of the pacific rim
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Geezus - poor Japan. Gawd this is horrible.
99% sure there wont be a full tsunami here.
Maybe a tide surge.
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Saying it's 8.4 on TV now, any firm confirmations yet?
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unbelievable tsunami - 7-10M tsunami's reported, damage, fires and deaths reported across 100's of km's of th country.
Thoughts are with you Japan :(
Re NZ, any tsunami is apparently due about 7.15 NZT in Auckland, 7.45 NZT Wellington.
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am or pm tomorrow?
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faaaaaaaark so bad
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6.40 am our time if and when it happens here
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TV is now saying 6.15am from Northland.
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Poor poor bastards
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*Moved to top
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Ferk me 8.9, 7th highest ever. only 10km deep. very bad, it is catching, shit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReHnLd2mCiM
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(http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z264/Emrico1/tsunami-prediction.jpg)
This is my guess at where the tsunami will hit;
I'm thinking Phillipines, Hawaii and maybe PNG with some of the pacific Islands copping a little... But I think we will be fine.
If a wave even double that size has to travel across that much deep water and 11 hours, it will fade to the point of nothing much for us.
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Thank god. Friends are inland from Chiba (they live in Chiba) and are free from Tsunami troubles. However his wife was on the 40th floor of a building when the quake hit but he thinks she is OK :\
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THE END IS NIGH
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Can't watch anymore - the NZ woman commentating the 3 news is rambling and making stuff up now - claiming the oil refinery fire is at Tokyo and the airport they were showing has been washed away.
Will check back on it later.
:(
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There are videos of the tsunami that show burning buildings being swept along, still on fire. crazy.
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cycloneupdate (http://twitter.com/#%21/cycloneupdate) Cyclone Updates
6:43PM EST: Australian Joint Tsunami Warning Centre says NO THREAT to Australia.
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Civil Defence (CD) says if a tsunami hits here the west coast and east coast of Northland will feel the most significant force. It is estimated that a tsunami, if any, will strike tomorrow at 6.15am.
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Derp
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tomoakiyama (http://twitter.com/#%21/tomoakiyama)
I'm based in Tokyo. No tsunami here. Just Northeast coast of Japan.
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http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2011/03/11/sot.tsunami.hit.japan.cnn.html
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Can't watch anymore - the NZ woman commentating the 3 news is rambling and making stuff up now - claiming the oil refinery fire is at Tokyo and the airport they were showing has been washed away.
Will check back on it later.
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That woman did my head in.
I have just finished work for the night and we processed a japan bound flight.
Tokyo airports have been checked and cleared and the flight was expected to depart on time.
Seemingly the aftershocks are so frequent that they run into each other and are causing motion sickness. Poor blighters.
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At least it wasnt under a main city, a 8.9 would flatten most modern cities in the world. I wonder what the power was like in Tokoyo, I saw one of the vids from a news room and it didnt look too violent, how far away was it from there, ball park?
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unbelievable tsunami - 7-10M tsunami's reported, damage, fires and deaths reported across 100's of km's of th country.
Thoughts are with you Japan :(
That wave was unbelievably huge.
At least it wasnt under a main city, a 8.9 would flatten most modern cities in the world. I wonder what the power was like in Tokoyo, I saw one of the vids from a news room and it didnt look too violent, how far away was it from there, ball park?
The Wikipedians have been very quick and active on this story.
2011 Sendai Earthquake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Sendai_earthquake)
The scale of the earthquake is huge.
THE END IS NIGH
Hi Ken Ring! I didnt know you had made an account here! Could I buy some snake oil from you please?
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hhhhmmm sorry Japan, I took another annual leave day.
I take leave and a major earthquake happens, September, December and Feb and again today. Think I'm more accurate than the damn moon man.
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Can you give us advance warning of your future leave please, I'm actually tempted to graph the correlation between your leave and challenge ring to match the accuracy...:D
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my thoughts with japan..
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Some of the earth shifting they are showing is crazy
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Linky link?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/4759883/Kiwi-escapes-Chch-and-Japan-quakes
She needs to stop travelling!
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http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
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Is the Pasific plate detaching or some shiz?
fuck this im going to the moon
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It's not natural.
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(http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/3413/12998424397614504443.jpg) (http://img852.imageshack.us/i/12998424397614504443.jpg/)
(http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/2997/12998360777644724293.jpg) (http://img851.imageshack.us/i/12998360777644724293.jpg/)
california
EDIT: Hmm.. Apparently that above image may not be current??
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somewhere, someone is having a good laugh playing simcity
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Not funny, and bad taste spork.
Earthquakes are bad, but tsunami are even worse. Pretty hard watching people in cars trying to outrun tsunami and getting washed away.
Death toll will be massive.
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what is bad is my flatmate is ment to be going there in 3 weeks, has payed for everything in advance including a $750 train ticket for 2.5 weeks
He might have to stay here, and loose a bunch of money
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Yeah, I hope the people of Japan take notice and take care of him in his special moment of need :rolleyes:
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Not funny, and bad taste spork.
Earthquakes are bad, but tsunami are even worse. Pretty hard watching people in cars trying to outrun tsunami and getting washed away.
Death toll will be massive.
I know it's extremely awful, however posting a picture as I did does not take away from that at all in my opinion.
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It was in bad taste however its easier to scroll straight past 5tack
Anyway my thoughts go out to Japan this is a simply horrible event, the damage is just incredible
The Japanese are a very resilient people and I am sure they will do their best to come back from this.
I have a feeling Naruto and Bleach are going to be late next week
Ganbatte Nihon /weeaboo
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Can't watch anymore - the NZ woman commentating the 3 news is rambling and making stuff up now - claiming the oil refinery fire is at Tokyo and the airport they were showing has been washed away.
Will check back on it later.
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Whatshername from tv3 was interviewing this kiwi from tokyo and asked, "how long have you lived in japan?"
I switched to BBC quite quickly.
My god NZ are shit at reporting the news. As are Fox, i checked it and all it said was "US state Hawaii tsunami warning", it's not just america affected by it morons.
My heart goes out to all in Japan, we have family in Kiribati, which have no mountains or hills. I'm praying they're alright.
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Some amazing photos here
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/03/massive_earthquake_hits_japan.html
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If a wave even double that size has to travel across that much deep water and 11 hours, it will fade to the point of nothing much for us.
LOL. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10711888
The tsunami has damaged boats in the San Francisco Bay Area, the ABC has reported.
The water reportedly dropped by about 9 feet (2.7m) at Santa Cruz's harbour as water was sucked out to sea around 8.10am Pacific Standard Time (5.10am NZST).
Several boats broke loose and part of a dock was also pulled away during one of several surges, each of which took about 10 minutes.
GNS (http://www.geonet.org.nz/tsunami/) is predicting about 1m here in NZ.
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Yet to see what the quake damage is like in the north, was it far enough out to sea that the serious damage is due the tsunami or is there large scale damage inland, no one on TV wanted to touch on this simple point. Such a massive quake!
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10711889
This is what happens when tsunami warnings are not properly thought out. As if there was any danger.
If we keep getting these warnings and nothing happens, soon enough nobody will take enough notice...
Hawaii got a 2m wave but the speed of the tsunami had been slowed, keep in mind they are in a direct path of open ocean. Phillipines got a 10cm wave and yet they still have warnings out for here? Fail.
http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/151449/dont-go-sightseeing-near-water-coastguard
DERP
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LOL. [url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10711888[/url]
GNS ([url]http://www.geonet.org.nz/tsunami/[/url]) is predicting about 1m here in NZ.
"Wave heights of 0.2m have been observed in Nauru and in the Solomon Islands capital of Honiara."
So the waves are going to grow from there to here?
DERP
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thoughts and prayed to our whanau in japan
I just saw there was another small quake just of the coast of molokai in hawaii or something like that
pacific plate going ape shit
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Wave height or sea level change? I thought the experts measure based on the level of the surge. Later waves will be bigger and if you combine it with tide it could have some unexpected results. I also wonder if 2 waves traveling at different speeds or by different routes could double up.
Potentially dodgy to be in an entrance to port fitzroy on greatbarrier or any of the other other harbours. Can't imagine open water having any issues except not the smoothest day to be out.
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The Japanese are a very resilient people and I am sure they will do their best to come back from this.
I have a feeling Naruto and Bleach are going to be late next week
Ganbatte Nihon /weeaboo
After the Christchurch Earthquake I had a look at all of the previous big quakes, especially the Kyoto earthquake.
I still dont know how the Japanese manage to make buildings which resist earthquakes so well. I swear it is their advanced space technology.
Ganbatte Kudasare Nippon.
edit: I am waiting for the Doomsday People to pop up and declare the end of the world. Again.
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Yeah, tidal surges can be an issue. Best to know about it but the risks are so tiny.
I've been watching swell maps and weather for so long chasing surf, there can be a massive typhoon off Japan causing 30ft waves for that whole pacific basin and NZ gets none of the swell.
We're just not in the open ocean path from there, swell and even tsunamis need deep water and a direct path to travel. A tsunami is still a shockwave through the water but over enough distance it acts more like normal swell as it slows.
So yeah, some minor tide efffects but nothing much for us.
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I have a 3 week holiday booked in Japan starting in 3 weeks for 3 weeks :(
Lucky I decided to get travel insurance early (2 days ago)!!!
But we are going to Tokyo and then South with a tour (not north) and the tour operator has said apart from Tokyo every other place we visit is fine. Tokyo only has minor damage (some fires) and issues with transport and power. Power off as a precaution apparently.
Japan are well prepped to respond to disasters. They will deploy quickly and rebuild quickly. Resilient people. Japan account for 20% of worlds earthquakes and have one every 5 mins in a different part of the country.
Its bad though when your aftershocks are in the sevens!!
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what is bad is my flatmate is ment to be going there in 3 weeks, has payed for everything in advance including a $750 train ticket for 2.5 weeks
He might have to stay here, and loose a bunch of money
Wah wah. That's not bad at all. He should have travel insurance and at least he has his life.
Get outside and get some perspective,kooky.
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"Wave heights of 0.2m have been observed in Nauru and in the Solomon Islands capital of Honiara."
So the waves are going to grow from there to here?
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They can,depending on the topography of the sea floor.
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I still dont know how the Japanese manage to make buildings which resist earthquakes so well. I swear it is their advanced space technology.
My partner has been to Japan a few times, and looking at her photo's it seems that the only old buildings are made of wood. Some of those a really old and are periodically rebuilt with new wood. But there seem to be none of the european style old stone/brick/masonry buildings like ChCh had.
Imagine being up in one of those Tokyo sky scrapers though....
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Imagine being up in one of those Tokyo sky scrapers though....
A friend of mine was and he doesn't scare easily,but he is shaking like a leaf (along with the building).
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i love your assumtions grim
wrong as always
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Imagine being up in one of those Tokyo sky scrapers though....
When he his pointing at the other buildings swaying, that is just...just so scary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2xTc8xCMg8&feature=featured
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i love your assumtions grim
wrong as always
Cool big fella,so at this time when many people have lost their lives and had their world turned upside down, all you can think about is a little financial inconvenience....awesome.
Fucking kids.
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Cool big fella,so at this time when many people have lost their lives and had their world turned upside down, all you can think about is a little financial inconvenience....awesome.
Fucking kids.
but tthats not what im thinking, see! again assuming
in thinking of my old homestays family, young Tomoki Mitagawa and gutted like how i was when chch got hit, not as easy to help them being nearly half a world away.
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They can,depending on the topography of the sea floor.
That's not anything to do with what I said bro. Don't correct what I didn't say.
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thats more like a rave
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I wonder if we will send the Japanese rescue team in Christchurch home? Although: It would be pretty heartbreaking to go from a foreign devastated city to your home city which was devastated.
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I wonder if we will send the Japanese rescue team in Christchurch home? Although: It would be pretty heartbreaking to go from a foreign devastated city to your home city which was devastated.
Already on their way back.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/japan-earthquake/4761635/Japanese-USAR-team-heads-home
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i imagin they would, and we would return the favour of a rescue team
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i imagin they would, and we would return the favour of a rescue team
We have.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/japan-earthquake/4761624/NZ-to-send-help-to-Japan
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Just send over the Incredibro Hulk.
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(http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/quake1/bp12.jpg)
Pretty amazing huh.
(http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/quake1/bp46.jpg)
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So its tsunami, fire and now potentially nuclear reactor failures. Jebus wept.
[Not the thread for a long debate, but I hope advocates of NZ having nuclear power see the problem with building reactors on the ring of fire.]
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So its tsunami, fire and now potentially nuclear reactor failures. Jebus wept.
[Not the thread for a long debate, but I hope advocates of NZ having nuclear power see the problem with building reactors on the ring of fire.]
that could be said for any large power generator - dam: flooded valleys, geo thermal:pressurized steam, gas: fires ...
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Yeah, don't they also have a hydro dam that has cracked and is leaking water as well?
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Already on their way back.
[url]http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/japan-earthquake/4761635/Japanese-USAR-team-heads-home[/url]
I would like to thank the Japanese rescue team. It is bad enough that they didnt manage to find any survivors from the school :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFs8YZFaMBo
Apologies for the terrible Japanese. I dont speak it very often.
Just send over the Incredibro Hulk.
I always found it funny that he was nick named "Super Maori" when he is, in fact, polynesian.
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good stuff tiwa
私達は悲劇のこの時の精神のあなたとある
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBZGH3yieLc&feature=player_embedded
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^ there was nothing at all here despite that menacing looking animation (I live with a view of the ocean).
So worried about it in fact, I spent most of the day surfing.
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http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/other/quake1.html (http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/other/quake1.html)
Just in case anyone is stupid enough to think theres suddenly an explosion in earthquake activity as 2012/Apocolyptic global warming/Rapture/Peak oil/Justin Bieber hitting puberty/LHC/Gay marriage/New moon/Excretion of the steak I had for dinner last night nears....
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^ Ahhh 1984, I knew you were the best year ever for some reason...
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBZGH3yieLc&feature=player_embedded[/url]
OMG NEW ZEALAND WILL BE SWEPT OFF THE MAP RUN RUN RUN
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^ there was nothing at all here despite that menacing looking animation (I live with a view of the ocean).
So worried about it in fact, I spent most of the day surfing.
I was thinking, for countries such as NZ and Aus, which this isn't going to affect as much as some, this is a great opportunity to get in some good surf.
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I have watched a few Youtube videos of when the earthquake was happening and found it rather odd how little the people reacted. It seemed as if some continued doing their business only slightly phased by the fact the ground was moving. I even saw someone look at the camera and smile. By saying this I am not trying to downplay the fact it is a major disaster and a horrible thing but they seem rather used to this happening :P It seems that the tsunami was the most deadly part everything.
Good luck Japan :)
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I would like to thank the Japanese rescue team. It is bad enough that they didnt manage to find any survivors from the school :(
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFs8YZFaMBo[/url]
Apologies for the terrible Japanese. I dont speak it very often.
I always found it funny that he was nick named "Super Maori" when he is, in fact, polynesian.
Maybe you could move your webcam a bit higher.
Look to highlight your better features.
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^ Mod trolling... Classy.
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BreakingNews (http://twitter.com/#%21/BreakingNews)
Haven't they suffered enough already: Japan nuclear safety commission official says meltdown at nuclear power plant possible
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omfg
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/nuclear-meltdown-japan-radioactive/2011/03/11/id/389221
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Indonesian volcano in Sulawesi erupts hours after Japan earthquake. Sulawesi part of the Ring of Fire which includes NZ, Japan, Hawaii.
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http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=126132
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([url]http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/quake1/bp12.jpg[/url])
Pretty amazing huh.
Well it's amazing that the wave height was higher here than in the South Pacific directly above us. Pretty much contradicts your earlier statement.
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Well it's amazing that the wave height was higher here than in the South Pacific directly above us. Pretty much contradicts your earlier statement.
What the fuck are you talking about?
You telling me it gained more energy as it moved further away? Really? Have a look at the other image. Pedantic fool.
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When he his pointing at the other buildings swaying, that is just...just so scary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqniHUh_dpc
edit2: Okay this is abit odd. Not only can I not find user ilovenishiazabu, I can also not break into their channel in the usual way i.e Google cache. AND they appear to have had their videos flagged for inappropriate material, which may explain why they pulled their account.
I think I shall do some internets sleuthing.
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What the fuck are you talking about?
You telling me it gained more energy as it moved further away? Really? Have a look at the other image. Pedantic fool.
Wave height is a function of depth as well I would say, also speed changes with depth. Hence all the darker red around the coasts.
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a quick google gives this site - http://www.ess.washington.edu/tsunami/general/physics/physics.html
As a tsunami leaves the deep water of the open ocean and travels into the shallower water near the coast, it transforms. If you read the "How do tsunamis differ from other water waves?" section, you discovered that a tsunami travels at a speed that is related to the water depth - hence, as the water depth decreases, the tsunami slows. The tsunami's energy flux, which is dependent on both its wave speed and wave height, remains nearly constant. Consequently, as the tsunami's speed diminishes as it travels into shallower water, its height grows. Because of this shoaling effect, a tsunami, imperceptible at sea, may grow to be several meters or more in height near the coast. When it finally reaches the coast, a tsunami may appear as a rapidly rising or falling tide, a series of breaking waves, or even a bore.
http://www.ess.washington.edu/tsunami/general/physics/transform.html
i highlighted the essentials
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhJzdtzl6KY&feature=youtu.be
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Wave height is a function of depth as well I would say, also speed changes with depth. Hence all the darker red around the coasts.
Yeah dude, that's exactly right. The angle of depth ascent will also effect wave height. If the bottom gradually gets shallower the waves will be smaller.
I also find it funny there has been no mention of Japan's tsunami walls and where they came in all of this?
The one thing that really took me by surprise was the focussed direction of the tsunami towards Hawaii... I was way off with the Phillipines, they got 40cm, thanks to the direction. So weird.
I think it hit most places in low tide which helped things. A 2 meter surge in a place with 2 meter tides isn't so bad on low tide... A four meter surge on high tide however...
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http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Video-Japan-Quake-Nuclear-Power-Plant-Emergencies-After-Japan-Earthquake-And-Tsunami/Article/201103215950844?lpos=World_News_Top_Stories_Header_0&lid=ARTICLE_15950844_Video%3A_Japan_Quake%3A_Nuclear_Power_Plant_Emergencies_After_Japan_Earthquake_And_Tsunami
oh shit oh shit oh shit :(
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Emrico was right about New Zealand, simply too far away for there to be a significant incident. The wave will increase when it hits shallower water but the force will dissipate as it travels over open ocean.
Watch the footage of Japan. It is not the giant 10metre wave that is the worrying part. It is the significant force behind it that is pushing the water inland and chewing through buildings.
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A friend has just confirmed who lives in Japan, that part of the Nuclear Power Plant has exploded.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqhKzMNTdZ4
OMFG there's people on those boats.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8377506/Japan-earthquake-nuclear-disaster-feared-after-power-plant-explosion.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8377506/Japan-earthquake-nuclear-disaster-feared-after-power-plant-explosion.html)
Pretty scary, still short on info, I heard earlier that the wind was ofFshore - hope it still is
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Yeah dude, that's exactly right. The angle of depth ascent will also effect wave height. If the bottom gradually gets shallower the waves will be smaller.
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The one thing that really took me by surprise was the focussed direction of the tsunami towards Hawaii...
I was going to ask if you knew what caused tsunamis, but i can tell by this that you don't know. That's ok, it pretty much goes with the rest of what you've spouted in this thread.
Emrico was right about New Zealand, simply too far away for there to be a significant incident. The wave will increase when it hits shallower water but the force will dissipate as it travels over open ocean.
No he wasn't, and no it doesn't. New Zealand wasn't in the path of the tsunami, as simple as that. Or else, how do you account for the carnage in Santa Cruz?
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That is rough watching that live footage of the tsunami hitting and moving inland. There are a lot of cars that did not get out of the way fast enough. Or people standing watching who didnt expect it to reach them. Really heart stopping to see
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No he wasn't, and no it doesn't. New Zealand wasn't in the path of the tsunami, as simple as that. Or else, how do you account for the carnage in Santa Cruz?
Noone here is denying there wouldn't be some effect still lingering after traveling that distance. The damage in Santa Cruz could be called carnage but i personally wouldnt use a word like that to describe the damage which is rather minor all things considered. Including one death in an area that is already claimed to be notorious in the best of times.
Also I am going to assume that you are not denying that the force of a tsunami wave dissipates as it travels. Which would be why the carnage in Santa Cruz wasn't anywhere near like that in Japan.
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That is rough watching that live footage of the tsunami hitting and moving inland. There are a lot of cars that did not get out of the way fast enough. Or people standing watching who didnt expect it to reach them. Really heart stopping to see
It seemed like they just didnt have anywhere else to go. I assume you watched the footage of the boats slamming into a bridge or overpass and the people standing on it watching?
They end up being totally surrounded by water. It is so crazy.
And it is a big surprise with the footage of the airport being hit by the wave that no one was hurt. The luggage movers and those things people walk down to get to the plane got swept away like a taraxacum.
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A friend has just confirmed who lives in Japan, that part of the Nuclear Power Plant has exploded.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
Not the best video, but you can see it was a large explosion.
Think today is the first time I've ever really wanted Sky, NZ media coverage is shit.
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Yep the 'excitement' is over now. We have just had a nuclear power station melt down, it made it to the TV7 11 oclock bulletin, but mostly with pre meltdown news.
I did read an article where a government official confirmed a meltdown. I don't know where they go from here...
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fark
anyone know which way the radiation will travel?
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fark
anyone know which way the radiation will travel?
That really depends on what happens next, at the moment its not to bad.
More from Walt Patterson of Chatham House. He says the presence of the radioactive caesium in the surrounding area does not pose a huge threat to public health in the immediate aftermath of the explosion. "What would be serious is if there was an explosion or fire that lifted this stuff high in the air, meaning it could get carried over a wide area."
This shouldn't be as bad as Chernobyl, because well the Russians really fucked that one up.
BBC environment correspondent Roger Harrabin says local officials believe the release of radiation following the nuclear plant explosion is likely to be small. He adds that nuclear incidents aren't always as serious as they may sound or appear, and actually, in terms of loss of life and destruction, accidents at hydroelectric plants are far more dangerous.
Interesting to see if this will be the case.
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Can't find the article which said it had melted down now (I hope the got the context right when they quoted)
Weather map I found made it look like wind going up the island from tokyo and turning east off shore so pretty good at the time. (SW winds)
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no meldown....yet......lets hope not. Just an explosion. Meltdown is very different and bad.
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I had read the cement that it was a meltdown, now can not find it again and no other reports of a meltdown. A guess would be the explosion was the pressure vessel rupturing which would be bad.
Nothing I can do from a PC in NZ to help, so best I go to bed and hope for the best in the morning
Also beware all the images of Oil refinery fires that a put with "meltdown" stories
http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/World/Story/A1Story20110312-267777.html
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Taken off the bbc website
Analysts say a meltdown would not necessarily lead to a major disaster because light-water reactors would not explode even if they overheated.
But Walt Patterson, of the London research institute Chatham House, said "this is starting to look a lot like Chernobyl".
He said it was too early to tell if the explosion's aftermath would result in the same extreme level of radioactive contamination that occurred at Chernobyl.
The explosion was most likely caused by melting fuel coming into contact with water, he told the BBC.
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God they just need everyone to get the hell of there. I'm praying nothing serious happens.
Slightly off topic, this will surely fuck up the economy for at least a couple of months right?
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the yen has already crashed
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This a copy paste of what I information I have amassed that actually has been confirmed, the stuff that hasn't has been noted as such, its the TL;DR version for those who can't be fucked looking around
Cooling failures occurred in Fukushima Nuclear power stations oldest reactor just over a day ago, the diesel generators meant to keep coolant flowing through the reactor failed an hour after coming online resulting in an increase in pressure.
The electrical systems rely on batteries when a power outage occurs and are good for 8 hours so the Japanese military (note they call them defense forces) has been trucking in generators and batteries.
At 07:36 GMT on March 12th a large explosion caused the concrete structure surrounding the reactor to collapse.
It was a hydrogen explosion which was a result of water levels in the reactor falling.
The Japanese government maintains that the situation is under control but they moved their initial evacuation of the area from 3kms to 10kms rather quickly, and then last night increased it to 20kms, and they are stopping anyone from entering the area 60kms from the plant (BBC got stopped there)
As of last night 300,000 people had been evacuated from the area
The four workers injured during the blast are conscious and their injuries are described as non life threatening, 30 employees and 60 patients were evacuated from the immediate area, three received a check up for radiation exposure, two had minor exposure and one had received a decent dose of radiation, they are being decontaminated but there are fears they may have contaminated the others during the evacuation.
Worthy of note, the reactor in question was constructed in 1967, first criticality was in 1970 and it was due to be decommissioned March 26th this month (http://www.nzfortress.co.nz/forum/images/smilies/faces/05.gif)
According to the World Nuclear Association (note: who apparently have a reputation for talking shit) one worker in a crane by the stack has died.
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This shouldn't be as bad as Chernobyl, because well the Russians really fucked that one up.
Yeah. Because when a core explodes and exposes itself to the air you have complete control over radiation containment.
The Soviets fucked up through lack of proceedure for such an event. They didn't have the correct equipment or any clue on what to do about it. They didn't know the core was exposed at first.
What I'm worried about here is the Asian culture of saving face. Hopefully they won't be too ashamed to admit when it's really bad, and not play it down to the news or public (like the Soviets did).
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^ This post is spot on - there are already lots of reports saying things are a hell of a lot worse than we are being told because of honor
And everytime an 'analyst' compares this situation to Chernobyl I want to kick something - That was Human error and a complete lack of understanding in regards to nuclear power and its intricacies.
We are 40 years on now and the Japanese are leaders in most technological fields so everytime they compare this to Chernobyl I really want to kick something
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That's not anything to do with what I said bro. Don't correct what I didn't say.
. You asked a question sand I replied that topography plays a role.
It wasn't a 'correction'!
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Jesus Grim, do us all a favor and hang yourself
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. You asked a question sand I replied that topography plays a role.
It wasn't a 'correction'!
He's the Ken Ring of Tsunamis.
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He's the Ken Ring of Tsunamis.
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This is me on a wave that would kill you in a moment. Just stop a moment and think about it you fucking tool.
You can't even begin to consider the ocean knowledge that comes with 20+ years of chasing storms around the world.
I made pretty good calls, there was a warning, I said nothing would come of it. Did you? What did you offer? Nothing.
Just stop with the baiting and abvious chip on your shoulder. You are now ignored... Again.
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^very nice!!!!!
(the photo)
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Jesus Grim, do us all a favor and hang yourself
Fuck off kocky.
At least I leave pies for others.
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Fuck off kocky.
At least I leave pies for others.
Whats with the personal attacks grim?
run out of comebacks?
things not going well at home?
my mate knows a good councillor, here is her details (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/wfass/subjects/psychology/research/dairy3/abwrc.shtml)
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on a happier note, all my friends and contacts are safe, my friend Miyuki was the only one i know to be evacuated for the tsunami
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This is me on a wave that would kill you in a moment.
Your arse looks a bit big in those jeans.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LPGzzaSsbU&feature=player_embedded
Awesome vid
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I have my holiday in japan all paid for and it is meant to start in 3 weeks.
Checked my travel insurance and in the fine print....'do not cover costs for delay caused by a Nuclear Meltdown'...WTF!!!
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Was talking to Dad, they went down to the beach at Whitianga along with hundreds of others and watched the off shore powerboat racing saturday with the Tsunami warning in place.
Don't know what the current state of the Nuclear power stations is, very hard to tell what is current and what is from yesterday with most reports.
Looking at the Google sat image of the site it is right on the coast and although it has big wave breaks heading out to sea, the scale of the Earth quake and tsunami would have been hard to predict.
Also trying to work on site, there would be a lot of water and damaged buildings etc making the job hard.
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was wondering about the difference between a meltdown and a atomic bomb would be and found this. So Chernobyl was 200 times worse than the 2 bombs dropped in japan my brother has been to both Hiroshima and Nagasaki as well as visiting an atomic museum they have in Nagasaki
Quite obviously this would be much better handled in japan that it was in Chernobyl (if it does happen)
http://library.thinkquest.org/17940/texts/nuclear_disasters/nuclear_disasters.html
he effects of the disaster at Chernobyl were very widespread. The World Health Organization (WHO) found that the radiation release from the Chernobyl accident was 200 times that of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear bombs combined. The fallout was also far-reaching. For a time, radiation levels in a Scotland were 10,000 times the norm. 30 lives were directly lost during the accident or within a few months after it. Many of these lives were those of the workers trying to put out the graphite fire and were lost from radiation poisoning. The radiation released has also had long-term effects on the cancer incidence rate of the surrounding population. According to the Ukrainian Radiological Institute over 2500 deaths resulted from the Chernobyl incident. The WHO has found a significant increase in cancer in the surrounding area. For example, in 1986 (the year of the accident), 2 cases of childhood thyroid cancer occurred in the Gomel administrative district of the Ukraine (this is the region around the plant). In 1993 there were 42 cases, which is 21 times the rate in 1986. The rate of thyroid cancer is particularly high after the Chernobyl accident because much of the radiation was emitted in the form iodine-131, which collects in the thyroid gland, especially in young children. Other cancer incidence rates didn't seem to be affected. For example, leukemia was no more prevalent after the accident than before.
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also found this
The 480-megawatt Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is a hundred times more powerful than the ill-fated reactor at the Chernobyl plant in Ukraine. On April 26, 1986, the Soviet reactor exploded after a power surge. Four hundred times more radioactive material was released from the crippled nuclear power plant than had been by the atomic bomb at Hiroshima. The fallout was detected across Europe.
link http://www.infowars.com/japanese-nuclear-meltdown-would-be-hundreds-of-times-worse-than-chernobyl/
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Thats all well and true LVL10 however the design of Fukushima number one means that if a meltdown occurs radiation will not be released into the atmosphere, it will simply melt and head downwards at which stage concrete will be dumped on top. Comparing Atomic bombs to nuclear reactors is also a useless comparison.
Not good for the environment, but a fuck ton better than exposed melting fuel rods pissing radiation into the air
All comparisons between the two are essentially null and void because the reactors are completely different, the engineering and designs are completely different (read forty years different) and on top of that all the structures and exterior support systems were made by the Japanese, I shouldn't have to explain why that matters.
In short even if a meltdown occurs we are not looking at Chernobyl
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Was talking to Dad, they went down to the beach at Whitianga along with hundreds of others and watched the off shore powerboat racing saturday with the Tsunami warning in place.
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I was at the 600 metre line off the shore of Whitianga fishing in the competition when the tsunami warning was in place, along with the other 150 or so boats in the competition.
The tsunami warning was for waves 10cm tall.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm
Sobering.
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what's the deal with nuclear reactors anyway? how long does it take to turn one of those things off when the shit hits the fan?
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One does not simply walk into
Mordor a reactor and flick the switch
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IIRC you need to drop carbon(?) rods into the reactor to slow the reactions, doing this produces heat, thus it needs more cooling until the reactions stop.
But I'm not a nuke tech so might be wrong.
EDIT: Ahhhh yeah, close. handy link Jonty well done!
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http://www.boingboing.net/2011/03/12/nuclear-energy-insid.html
very good article about nuclear power and the shutdown process. good analagies and explanations
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One does not simply walk into Mordor a reactor and flick the switch
ok so how does one 'hit the switch'? say I'm like bored of my nuclear reactor and I want to turn it off and close up shop. How long does it take for it to stop workign and be completely harmless?
cheers jonty - reading that article now
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Depends how they are designed & whether its even physically possible to turn it off.
Older Chernobyl style reactors have to have control rods _added_ to stop them, so if you cant physically insert the rod, it will just continue to meltdown. I understand newer reactors are designed to be "on by exception" so they stop unless a control is activated regularly to keep them running.
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[url]http://www.boingboing.net/2011/03/12/nuclear-energy-insid.html[/url]
very good article about nuclear power and the shutdown process. good analagies and explanations
Great article. Thanks Jonty.
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read all the comments - I quite liked the post about explaining the process with pingpong balls/mousetraps.
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God this makes me glad we don't fuck around with nuclear power. If there was a massive explosion could NZ be affected?
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God this makes me glad we don't fuck around with nuclear power. If there was a massive explosion could NZ be affected?
Modern reactors can't explode. At least the "nuclear" part of it can't. At the worst you will get a hydrogen explosion (not a hydrogen bomb type explosion) but the nuclear part will be mostly ok if they've done the job properly.
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Does anyone else think the media is doing a terrible job at reporting on the nuclear situation?
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Does anyone else think the media is doing a terrible job at reporting on the nuclear situation?
YES! hell yes, just blatent scare mongering! Its what you come to exect though.
rumor to bandwagon in no time.
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Modern reactors can't explode. At least the "nuclear" part of it can't. At the worst you will get a hydrogen explosion (not a hydrogen bomb type explosion) but the nuclear part will be mostly ok if they've done the job properly.
I think that's the issue, the reactor in question was comissioned in 1970 I believe, It may not have the fall back safety basics the more modern have?
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It won't go critical and explode like a nuclear bomb, the biggest danger is it the core is breached and the fuel rods etc catch fire then you end up with a nasty toxic/radioactive smoke belching out in to our atmosphere and spreading wherever the winds take them. There is a very remote chance of that happening. What is more likely from what I have heard is there is a partial meltdown within the reactor itself without the containment being compromised. There would then need to be a controlled release of some radioactive steam to release pressure and then once things had cooled down etc the whole plant would probably be sealed up then carefully disassembled and buried in a desert somewhere.
But yeah, reliable reports are very hard to come by. It is all speculation and minimal updates from the officials.
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I was reading the herald at lunch today and this potentially (or already is) one of the worst nuclear power plant disasters. But one of them in russian the reactor had some kind of explosion and lift the containment roof off. (the roof weighed 160 tons) you don't want to be under it when it landed.
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http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2CQXVj/www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm
Not sure if posted already.
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An idea of the power of the tsunami, astonishing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-zfCBCq-8I
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YES!!!
Fuck i lol'd, fucking americans
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also found this
The 480-megawatt Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is a hundred times more powerful than the ill-fated reactor at the Chernobyl plant in Ukraine. On April 26, 1986, the Soviet reactor exploded after a power surge. Four hundred times more radioactive material was released from the crippled nuclear power plant than had been by the atomic bomb at Hiroshima. The fallout was detected across Europe.
link [url]http://www.infowars.com/japanese-nuclear-meltdown-would-be-hundreds-of-times-worse-than-chernobyl/[/url]
Reactor 4 @ Chernobyl was rated at 1000MW
Reactor 1 @ Fukushima was rated at 460MW
I would contend that your article was wriiten by an idiot. 1000 > 460.
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There is another Tsunami about to hit! FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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Tsunami observed off Fukushima Prefecture - Kyodo News
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They are evacuating
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More on Hachinohe: City says tide has receded 2 meters; residents urged to go to higher ground
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Source: Twitter
http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Hachinohe%3A+City+tsunami&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a#q=Hachinohe&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=KLy&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&prmd=ivnsum&tbs=mbl:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=6Xx9Tf3IN4qKvQOokJzoBw&ved=0CDgQ5QU&fp=8df913107c6fa54c
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Reactor 4 @ Chernobyl was rated at 1000MW
Reactor 1 @ Fukushima was rated at 460MW
I would contend that your article was wriiten by an idiot. 1000 > 460.
Did Chernobyl contain mixed oxide fuel? Could that make the difference?
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" [3/14 12:45] Hachinohe-City:At 12:30 PM the Evacuation Order issued at 11:16 was lifted"
Sounds to me like it was the first time they had noticed low tide.
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also found this
The 480-megawatt Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is a hundred times more powerful than the ill-fated reactor at the Chernobyl plant in Ukraine. On April 26, 1986, the Soviet reactor exploded after a power surge. Four hundred times more radioactive material was released from the crippled nuclear power plant than had been by the atomic bomb at Hiroshima. The fallout was detected across Europe.
link [url]http://www.infowars.com/japanese-nuclear-meltdown-would-be-hundreds-of-times-worse-than-chernobyl/[/url]
The 480-megawatt Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is a hundred times more powerful than the ill-fated reactor at the Chernobyl plant in Ukraine. The earthquake was 1,000 times more powerful than the one that struck Christchurch in New Zealand recently. It was also a thousand times more powerful than the quake that hit Haiti last year.
My God.
Thats magnitude 6.3 thousand.
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we already know what you look like berg
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Does anyone else think the media is doing a terrible job at reporting on the nuclear situation?
New Zealand reporting is generally terrible. So much so that I ended up watching the Japanese news broadcasts instead since they were up to date and very informative (plus they use simple Japanese that I can understand).
My Korean flatmate has been keeping up with the Korean news which have been really good too. He says that the Japanese government is downplaying the severity of the nuclear situation and are probably with holding information. The amount of casualties being reported have been.....optimistic at best.
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Hang on a second, is the Megawatt rating not the amount of power a plant outputs at a given time? We don't know if that relates directly to the amount and type of fuel rods in the respective reactors.
God, I've been a contentious bastard today. I don't mean to be.
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My Korean flatmate has been keeping up with the Korean news which have been really good too. He says that the Japanese government is downplaying the severity of the nuclear situation and are probably with holding information. The amount of casualties being reported have been.....optimistic at best.
I take anything a Korean says about a Japanese with a grain of salt and vice versa.
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It could be that we all have a more technical base and we realize there is a crap load we are not being told.
The NZ media like to deal with feelings and images. Like the interveiw, Q: what were they yelling out. A: Help. Q: how do you feel. A: Alive
Japan quake they will play the same stuff over again, the whole news staff need to read up about the nuclear reactors -then report on it.
Have any reporters actually got a map out and looked at coastal populations and where the tsunami hit and how areas have got on etc. What the damage is like away from the coast. etc.
As far as I can tell from the news Japan has 5 Cities, Tokyo - where all the people live, Fukushima where they use nuclear bombs to make power, Sendai - got washed away, and Hiroshima and Nagasaki that the yanks blew up.
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/True but you have to also take anything that the Japanese authorities say on this with a grain of salt as well (preferably iodised). They have a history of covering up/downplaying incidents at their nuclear facilities.
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Hang on a second, is the Megawatt rating not the amount of power a plant outputs at a given time? We don't know if that relates directly to the amount and type of fuel rods in the respective reactors.
God, I've been a contentious bastard today. I don't mean to be.
Yes the MegaWatt rating is the max power it is rated to put out continuously, it would not have to relate to the size of the reactor more the type of turbines and how much steam the reactor can pump out I think they may have misquoted the Chernobyl figures though according to the world nuclear website it says the Chernobyl Reactor RMBK1000 is a much much higher output.
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/chernobyl/inf07.html
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yeah, power output is dependant on the turbine/s that the steam push, not the core itself
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/True but you have to also take anything that the Japanese authorities say on this with a grain of salt as well (preferably iodised). They have a history of covering up/downplaying incidents at their nuclear facilities.
Surely, in this day and age, while the Japanese put on a brave face for the Media and the global populace, governments and experts are working behind the scenes?
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http://all-geo.org/highlyallochthonous/2011/03/magnitude-8-9-or-9-0-or-9-1-earthquake-off-the-coast-of-japan/
A good geological explanation.
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LATEST: 10.40pm: A reactor at a power plant in quake-hit Fukushima has lost all its cooling capability, Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency says.
on stuff :S
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They can still get them under control. My understanding is: Of the 6 reactors at the plant 3 were already shut down so as long as they are in quick enough they shouldn't overheat.
The other 3 have been automatically shut down when the quake hit and take about 6 days to cool to about 6% output. All lost power to the cooling systems and primary cooling has been abandoned with Sea water and boric acid being pumped into them all to try and cool them. Venting pressure in the inner container releases hydrogen gas into the building which somehow ignites and explodes blowing to top and upper sides off the building. I expect #2 will have exploded by morning. If all the control rods are in and not melted down too much when the coolant levels dropped it could be alright.
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Here's to hoping that there is no meltdowns :<
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/03/11/sot.tsunami.hit.japan.cnn?hpt=T1 insane -_-
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Right this link may need to go in the OP
http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/
Before posting about meltdowns and explosions and the release of lethal radioactive isotopes into the air please read it people
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Right this link may need to go in the OP
[url]http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/[/url]
Before posting about meltdowns and explosions and the release of lethal radioactive isotopes into the air please read it people
Haha.
No chance.
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You are going to have to elaborate on this for me Zarkov
Are you saying theres no chance of putting this in the OP or no chance of those singing Chernobyl 2011 reading an article explaining the situation the and systems in place for everyday folk
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YES!!!
Fuck i lol'd, fucking americans
Yeah fucking hilarious dick.
I have friends on the west coast, one of whom is 6 months pregnant. I'm sure they are rolling around laughing at the thought of a potential meltdown
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Both.
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Yeah fucking hilarious dick.
I have friends on the west coast, one of whom is 6 months pregnant. I'm sure they are rolling around laughing at the thought of a potential meltdown
Read above link.
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I have but kocky hadn't when he thought it was funny that Americans might get poisoned
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The Americans can't get poisoned, its impossible.
The Hawaiians can't get poisoned, its impossible
The Japanese in the area will hardly be affected, even if a meltdown occurs
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I agree that the media are taking this way out of proportion. The effects of the Earthquake and tsunami are far more devastating and will be in the long term then the effect of any radiation escaping.
Oh and kookynic is a moron.
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Yeah fucking hilarious dick.
I have friends on the west coast, one of whom is 6 months pregnant. I'm sure they are rolling around laughing at the thought of a potential meltdown
Below link makes me weep for the future of humanity.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/upload/2011/03/i_hope_these_people_arent_your/GodBlessAmerica.php
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WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UmotTE-VlY
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Below link makes me weep for the future of humanity.
[url]http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/upload/2011/03/i_hope_these_people_arent_your/GodBlessAmerica.php[/url]
Showed that to an American mate and he was shocked, and this guy's ex. US Navy. He said "What a bunch of idiots. The have they no compassion for anyone other then them self.
The loss of life and property is staggering and all these mindless morons have to say is this crap...they need a swift kick to the head and other parts of the body.
I am embarrassed to see such bullshit...and that's what it is, bullshit..it pisses me off to see such comments from my country men.
Please do not think we all think that way...these are just a small group of narcissistic jerks with nothing to say.
Freakin aholes." so at least their not all complete twats!
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I am embarrassed to see such bullshit...and that's what it is, bullshit..it pisses me off to see such comments from my country men.
Please do not think we all think that way...these are just a small group of narcissistic jerks with nothing to say.
Freakin aholes." so at least their not all complete twats!
You should have-seen/see the comments on the YouTube videos about the earthquake and tsunami. They are some of the most hateful things and they kept spewing out in the auto comment updates.
And this was on the live videos people had uploaded to YouTube. What surprised me is that the Christchurch Earthquake didnt gather anywhere near the sheer amount of racism and violence that the Japanese ones did. Thankfully the top rated comments tended to be "FOAD you haters. People are dying and I want to help"
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Most of those people on youtube are 14 year old middle class white american boys who can't even located Japan on the map. People need to quit taking those people seriously imo.
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Most of those people on youtube are 14 year old middle class white american boys who can't even located Japan on the map. People need to quit taking those people seriously imo.
I agree, the comments can come from anywhere for any reason. Just ignore them and lol at their lameness.
Eventually I think people will figure it out.
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http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/03/14/dnt.japan.reactor.explainer.nhk?hpt=C2
good detail on the nuclear plant
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another explosion at the plant
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Yeah fucking hilarious dick.
I have friends on the west coast, one of whom is 6 months pregnant. I'm sure they are rolling around laughing at the thought of a potential meltdown
well i didnt post it, you can hardly point me out for agreeing with it,
United States of Ignorance must fall
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Below link makes me weep for the future of humanity.
[url]http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/upload/2011/03/i_hope_these_people_arent_your/GodBlessAmerica.php[/url]
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Jack Simmering: Those damn krauts deserve to be hit by an earthquake tsunami for nuking pearl harbor.
So much wtf
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Below link makes me weep for the future of humanity.
[url]http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/upload/2011/03/i_hope_these_people_arent_your/GodBlessAmerica.php[/url]
They obviously haven't heard of Commodore Perry.
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Racism is fail in any form *glances at a few here.
Hating on America for hating on Japan isn't bright now, is it?
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hating america is racism? they are a country very similar to ours , except they believe they are the world police
i hate the position that they think they can take, and quite frankly they deserve a reality check.
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Damn you kooky, I almost agree with you. Personally, I like a lot of American people (mostly Canadians and Mexicans, and Venezuelans .....mmmm Venezuelans) but a lot of the American Foreign Policy is unacceptable to me.
Some earthquake related links:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/infographics/earthquakes/
http://www.abc.net.au/news/infographics/japan-quake-2011/tectonics.htm
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hating america is racism? they are a country very similar to ours , except they believe they are the world police
i hate the position that they think they can take, and quite frankly they deserve a reality check.
Labeling a whole country's population as being stupid and ignorant, is stupid and ignorant.
Every country has it's fair share of complete morons, if NZ's population was 300million we would have shitloads of media stories about retarded NZers for other countries to laugh at.
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hating america is racism?
Hating on any nationality or race is a stupid generalisation.
You speak of 'they' but the nation isn't a collective 'they' do not believe the same things or have the same opinions.
OK hate on a sector of a nation for its values but hold off on tainting an entire country of people with the same opinion because it's just as bad.
You understand where I'm coming from?
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Have to agree with bell on this one.
Those statements in that link were retarded but so were the ones supporting Paul Henry.
I wouldn't say all NZers are stupid and ignorant but i would say that people in general seem pretty thick at times. True critical thought is hard to come by these days.
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lol even americans hate americans
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put it this way, all i ever see, and the americans ive met personally , are basicly the same, only care for the threats to their well being as a nation and extremely patriotic, and couldnt give 2 fucks about anyone elses perspective
I met an american girl in my old uni hostel, and she didnt even know what Sasquatch was, and she was from Oregon! she thought i was making it up
If there are any good people with decent ideals in the US, where are they, why are they not speaking up against this BS coming off facebook and youtube?
im not hating them as race, im hating them for their ideals, much like how the western world hated nazi's
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If there are any good people with decent ideals in the US, where are they, why are they not speaking up against this BS coming off facebook and youtube?
Because not everyone is on Facebook and Youtube.
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im not saying because i cant see it, its not there, im sure there are good people
but all i can see are bad things
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Some people here apparently need to get off the internet and experience some of the real world.
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But didnt your hear, the internet is the real world
:P
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I can understand the american hate and I don't blame you for perpetuating it kooky, a lot of what their country has exported to the world is bad but come on people, don't be sucked in by the hate machine.
America is responsible for some of the greatest people of all time, and the worst and everything in between. It's mostly that their culture gets exported all around the globe because of the fantastic level of creativity (of some) that we feel OK to hate on 'them'. Think about it though, there really is no 'them' just a scattering of individuals living in the same place.
Go to america, spend a little time with 'them' and you might see what I am talking about. In fact, travel for a few years and then perhaps form an informed opinion.
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hating america is racism? they are a country very similar to ours , except they believe they are the world police
i hate the position that they think they can take, and quite frankly they deserve a reality check.
Your position is valid, and i'm sure some people here will agree with you.
But imo a thread about an Earthquake disaster in Japan is the wrong place to rant about how much you hate America.
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im not saying because i cant see it, its not there, im sure there are good people
but all i can see are bad things
That's how media works, noone is going to show you a video of an american saying supportive things about Japan because the entire world is doing that so they aren't going to stand out.
People saying and doing stupid things get attention normal people do not.
I suggest you do your own research to see how the average American really feels.
If you just read some opinions that are spreading around the internet because they are shocking and then attribute those opinions to a nation of 300million people then perhaps you are the ignorant one.
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I can understand the american hate and I don't blame you for perpetuating it kooky, a lot of what their country has exported to the world is bad but come on people, don't be sucked in by the hate machine.
America is responsible for some of the greatest people of all time, and the worst and everything in between. It's mostly that their culture gets exported all around the globe because of the fantastic level of creativity (of some) that we feel OK to hate on 'them'. Think about it though, there really is no 'them' just a scattering of individuals living in the same place.
Go to america, spend a little time with 'them' and you might see what I am talking about. In fact, travel for a few years and then perhaps form an informed opinion.
ive asked people who've been travelling in the US, "Whats the one thing you hated about America?"
nearly all of them say "Americans"
yes i am a bit sucked in by hate...................... deffinatly need to experience it for myself - cheers Emri
Your position is valid, and i'm sure some people here will agree with you.
But imo a thread about an Earthquake disaster in Japan is the wrong place to rant about how much you hate America.
Yes you're right, back on topic :)
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My girlfriend's favorite thing about America was the people she been to over 50 countries on every (livable) Continent including many months in the US and she says the Japanese and Americans are the most friendly people on earth.
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My girlfriend's favorite thing about America was the people she been to over 50 countries on every (livable) Continent and she says the Japanese and Americans are the most friendly people on earth.
Well you see theres the difference - i havent been exposed to nice americans
Point taken bell
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Jeez, people are people. When i first started travelling to the US as an adult, i didn't much like it. That was because i went to LA, which is an urban concrete jungle. Over the years, i made my peace with that city, to the point that it became one of my favourite destinations. Dallas on the other hand was a wonderful place - one that i enjoyed immensely even though i only went there a couple of times.
One thing you have to remember is that the US has more than 300m people, so you're going to get a much larger range of views than you do in a small country like NZ. That said, there's plenty of people living here that i'm not totally enamoured with. Would we want the rest of the world to judge us based on Winston Peters, Kyle Chapman, Lisa Lewis, Nicky Watson, Michael Fay or even Mark Hotchin and his wife? I certainly hope they aren't what people from other lands think of when they think of us.
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on another note, i think this is a good time to think about nuclear power for New Zealand? Considering how well we learn from our mistakes, after this incident they will know how to make safe nuclear reactors for earthquake prone zones.
Since we dont like wind turbines (just too ugly and noisy), and we all want cheaper power, i think nuclear power is the next best alternative.
We can put the power plant next to the mines in the national parks. This will make and save us billions (which means we can rebuild chch and host the rugby world cup there) WIN WIN
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I would have put paul henry in that list of yours
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You are going to have to elaborate on this for me Zarkov
Are you saying theres no chance of putting this in the OP or no chance of those singing Chernobyl 2011 reading an article explaining the situation the and systems in place for everyday folk
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No chance they'll read anything before giving us an opinion about it.
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on another note, i think this is a good time to think about nuclear power for New Zealand? Considering how well we learn from our mistakes, after this incident they will know how to make safe nuclear reactors for earthquake prone zones.
Since we dont like wind turbines (just too ugly and noisy), and we all want cheaper power, i think nuclear power is the next best alternative.
Seeing as they (Nuclear Power Plants)are the epitome of de riguer generating fashion statements. We could mine the Uranium sands, send them offshore for processing then buy them back at a loss.
Wind turbines.
"We" don't like them? I love them.
I also think that micro generating units (solar/hydro/wind) are sexy as and should be embraced.
Where would we send our nuclear waste? Hauraki Gulf?
I'm not buying the spin yet. It seems a bit early given what has occurred.
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Where would we send our nuclear waste? Hauraki Gulf?
Use it to fill in all the holes in chch. :p
Or to the moon.
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Wind turbines.
"We" don't like them? I love them.
I've heard quite afew hippy types complain about wind turbines ruining our beautiful country side.
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Was reading this AM:
Fatalities in Nuclear Power Generation (last 10 years) : 7
Fatalities in Wind Power Generation (last 10 years) : 44
http://www.caithnesswindfarms.co.uk/accidents.pdf an interesting read.
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I've heard quite afew hippy types complain about wind turbines ruining our beautiful country side.
I don't get why we aren't using water turbines yet. They sit in places with current and make power. They are underwater so people cannot complain about their looks.
Was reading this AM:
Fatalities in Nuclear Power Generation (last 10 years) : 7
Fatalities in Wind Power Generation (last 10 years) : 44
[url]http://www.caithnesswindfarms.co.uk/accidents.pdf[/url] an interesting read.
But surely it would only take 1 incident and the Fatalities for Nuclear Power would be in the 100,000s whereas I don't see a Wind Power Generator suddenly going crazy and shopping 100,000 peoples heads off.
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But surely it would only take 1 incident and the Fatalities for Nuclear Power would be in the 100,000s whereas I don't see a Wind Power Generator suddenly going crazy and shopping 100,000 peoples heads off.
Read that report :) - it's very enlightening.
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on another note, i think this is a good time to think about nuclear power for New Zealand? Considering how well we learn from our mistakes, after this incident they will know how to make safe nuclear reactors for earthquake prone zones.
Since we dont like wind turbines (just too ugly and noisy), and we all want cheaper power, i think nuclear power is the next best alternative.
We can put the power plant next to the mines in the national parks. This will make and save us billions (which means we can rebuild chch and host the rugby world cup there) WIN WIN
The reactor was built 40 years ago and has performed it's job admirably. It is still doing exactly what it was designed to do in this sort of incident, fail inwards and contain radiation. What more do you want?
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What more do you want?
SHARKS WITH FUCKING LAZERS!
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I've heard quite afew hippy types complain about wind turbines ruining our beautiful country side.
Well, you see, I'm not a hippy (sic). I'm a complex being with multiple personality disorders. :P
I tend towards 'green' and 'conscientious objection' and the 'environment' et al, and oppose militarism and warfare and 'soldiers' by association, but I do realise that issues are not black and white. I do put my foot more in one camp when posting here as it isn't the general view, and I do also fall into ad hominem and vitriol as I am human.
Ultimately though, I am just me. (cue the Dalai Lama), a human, with winnings and failings and imperfections and emotions.
I just state as I see things AT THE TIME.
Despite being a geologist, my thoughts etc aren't set in stone, but rather, are mellifluous and ignimbritic; Extrusively-rhyoliric even, shapeable and determined by topography. ; the topography of intellect and thought, such as now,whereby it is driven by alcohol.
:P
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Was reading this AM:
Fatalities in Nuclear Power Generation (last 10 years) : 7
Fatalities in Wind Power Generation (last 10 years) : 44
Birds don't count, Spig :P
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No chance they'll read anything before giving us an opinion about it.
I am pretty sure my years of watching simpsons has made me an expert in nuclear power. And in my professional opinion, we should all fear a meltdown.
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Well you see theres the difference - i havent been exposed to nice americans
Thats what happens when you sit in your house all day, isolated from other human beings, scooping handfuls of Burger Rings, and occasionally rolling off your couch to attempt 3 minutes on your ab circle pro (and failing).
As it happens, I met an American family today. They were tourists, EXTREMELY friendly. Probably the nicest and most intelligent family I have met all year. In fact, I came away from the conversation thinking they were the perfect model family.
You should take the time to give Americans a chance Kooky, you might find you have more in common than you think.
http://tinyurl.com/46do3rv
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Thats what happens when you sit in your house all day, isolated from other human beings, scooping handfuls of Burger Rings, and occasionally rolling off your couch to attempt 3 minutes on your ab circle pro (and failing).
As it happens, I met an American family today. They were tourists, EXTREMELY friendly. Probably the nicest and most intelligent family I have met all year. In fact, I came away from the conversation thinking they were the perfect model family.
You should take the time to give Americans a chance Kooky, you might find you have more in common than you think.
[url]http://tinyurl.com/46do3rv[/url]
you shoot and miss berg, like always
8-14 hours of my day go to uni
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you shoot and miss berg, like always
8-14 hours of my day go to uni
Berg has turned into a hateful little troll, don't respond to him kooky. We all know you're better than that.
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Haha.
Perhaps you should check my recent posts Arnifix and find all these hateful troll posts.
The only people I dislike here are you and Kooky.
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Fuck you're harsher than I am and I have remorse!
But then again, to paraphrase you, I don't like you very much :P
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Ok I made it nicer.
Anyway, how about that earthquake?
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Thats what happens when you sit in your house all day, isolated from other human beings, scooping handfuls of Burger Rings, and occasionally rolling off your couch to attempt 3 minutes on your ab circle pro (and failing).
When i read this it made me think of that simpsons episode when homer gets really fat. Which oddly enough fits with this post here very nicely.
I am pretty sure my years of watching simpsons has made me an expert in nuclear power. And in my professional opinion, we should all fear a meltdown.
Now i am picturing kooky at "uni" with that water bird thing sitting at his computer tapping "y"
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Well, you see, I'm not a hippy (sic). I'm a complex being with multiple personality disorders. :P
That wasn't actually directed at you as a person, I guess I was trying to make the point (be it badly) that even those who you would think would be falling over themselves to get clean green energy still seem to have the 'not in my backyard' mentality.
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10712630
They are a bit more worried about the radiation now. Hopefully it doesn't get any worse than this.
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Sucks it was such an old plant.
Do they not use a different method now, and it can't melt down due to a physics impossibly? Fusion, or Fission?
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For gods sake, read people. The maximum recorded level I've seen so far has been 8210 microsieverts. That means less than 0.008 sieverts. 0 to 0.25 sieverts is absolutely normal, subclinical, stock standard radiation levels that one might get from flying a plane or going spelunking in the wrong place. At 1 sievert you might experience some nausea.
The fuel rods were briefly exposed meaning it is possible they might have been damaged. Before any serious amount of radiation could be discharged, the fuel pellets themselves would have to combust, and the temperatures haven't gotten anywhere near hot enough to do that. In fact, I haven't even seen any indications that they've gotten over the 2200 degrees celcius needed to damage the rods themselves.
I wouldn't swim in the water currently cooling the core, but would have no qualms about walking around the perimeter of the plant complex.
Sidenote: pretty sure I'm going to call my new computer Fukushima Daiichi, because it's going to be hot, water-cooled and potentially hazardous to your health.
Swindle: correct, boiling water reactors are no longer produced. Most new plants, if not all, do not rely on pumps to feed coolant, instead the coolant is flows down into the core and out the bottom.
http://mitnse.com/
Scientists telling it like it is. Fuck the haters.
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http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/
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Sucks it was such an old plant.
Do they not use a different method now, and it can't melt down due to a physics impossibly? Fusion, or Fission?
Cooling is all done through gravity now, so no matter what happens, it should keep cooling.
I wouldn't say this plant will "meltdown" though, given they have pumped the seawater in it, and vented the gas.
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I have but kocky hadn't when he thought it was funny that Americans might get poisoned
maybe you should have a read of all the americans shouting from the rooftops (facebook) that this disaster was payback, or karma, for pearl harbour?
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Obviously I have been following this situation closely and my thoughts go out to everyone affected in Japan, but this did make me lol a little bit, before I pulled my mature face back on
"Dear Japan
Suck Shit
Signed
The Whales"
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maybe you should have a read of all the americans shouting from the rooftops (facebook) that this disaster was payback, or karma, for pearl harbour?
I'm sure the radiation would drift to the USA and only effect those you mentioned above, and harm no innocent human beings.
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maybe you should have a read of all the americans shouting from the rooftops (facebook) that this disaster was payback, or karma, for pearl harbour?
So that gives us carte blanche to abuse them?
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Would you travel to Japan now for a Holiday? If you were leaving in April to Tokyo and South only.
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It depends on whether or not you can get your tickets refunded, I would be worried that I was just going to be another hindrance for a country trying to regroup so to speak, their resources will be stretched thin as it is. However if you cannot get a refund on your trip I personally would probably still go, provided you aren't going further north than Tokyo
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maybe you should have a read of all the americans shouting from the rooftops (facebook) that this disaster was payback, or karma, for pearl harbour?
There are arseholes all over the world. It's only normal that some of them would live in America.
NZ has it's share of arseholes too, like the people who were looting during the Christchurch earthquakes.
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are you really from space?
Was good that the Courts just chucked looters in Jail with no Bail and they are still there now.
Also story of the cops catching a guy in Bexley and then going to locals.....we are going to leave this guy here for 10 mins while we go and check on something. Can you 'look after' him until we are back.
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Yeah, but that's fucking sweet.
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maybe you should have a read of all the americans shouting from the rooftops (facebook) that this disaster was payback, or karma, for pearl harbour?
So that makes it alright to behave like them, thought you were bigger than that Ghost.
Laughing about wholesale deaths, real or imagined is not fucking cool.
Surprising coming from you seeing how sensitive you are about the whole nazi thing
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366395/Japan-tsunami-earthquake-Haunting-images-450-Britons-feared-missing.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366341/Japan-tsumani-earthquake-America-nuclear-accident-radiation-alert.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/78374.html
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/78063.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/15/japan-quake-idUSL3E7EF06A20110315
http://www.accuweather.com/blogs/news/story/46940/winds-at-japan-power-plants-sh-1.asp
http://www.domain-b.com/industry/power/20110315_radiation_levels.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/15/us-japan-quake-nuclear-france-idUSTRE72E3UB20110315
"We are now in a situation that is different from yesterday's. It is very clear that we are at a level six, which is an intermediate level between what happened at Three Mile Island and Chernobyl," ASN President Andre-Claude Lacoste told a news conference in Paris on Tuesday.
http://rt.com/news/officials-explosion-fukoshima-claims/
Nothing to worry about.
Move along.
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[url]http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/[/url]
very good link:
It is worth mentioning at this point that the nuclear fuel in a reactor can never cause a nuclear explosion like a nuclear bomb. At Chernobyl, the explosion was caused by excessive pressure buildup, hydrogen explosion and rupture of all structures, propelling molten core material into the environment. Note that Chernobyl did not have a containment structure as a barrier to the environment. Why that did not and will not happen in Japan, is discussed further below.
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So that makes it alright to behave like them, thought you were bigger than that Ghost.
Laughing about wholesale deaths, real or imagined is not fucking cool.
Surprising coming from you seeing how sensitive you are about the whole nazi thing
[sarcasm]
Dude, you should know Americans aren't people too.
It seems discrimination is only evil when certain races/cultures/nations are concerned and in this case the Americans are not a sacred cow so it's ok. [/sarcasm]
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People need to travel more!
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New fire breaks out at the power plant.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12754883
Amazing how well it is containing the radiation with all the explosions and fires
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New fire breaks out at the power plant.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12754883[/url]
Amazing how well it is containing the radiation with all the explosions and fires
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Right this link may need to go in the OP
[url]http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/[/url]
Before posting about meltdowns and explosions and the release of lethal radioactive isotopes into the air please read it people
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Yes I had read that when you posted it, but i still find it amazing that something designed 50 years ago is holding up so well under great duress.
Edit, must not forget the brave technicians that are staying on the job and fixing the problems, true heroes. I'd be running for the hills
Makes you realize how well these plants are designed. The one in trouble is a 2nd generation plant, the 4th gen ones must be incredible
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"Death toll has risen to 3,676, authorities said. he number of dead is expected to go up as rescuers reach more hard-hit areas At least 7,558 people are missing and 1,990 are injured"
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/15/japan-quake-live-blog-fire-erupts-in-fourth-reactor-radiation-warning-issued/
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http://www10.antenna.nl/wise/index.html?http://www10.antenna.nl/wise/469-470/
6.2.6 Accident scenario when burning MOX
Accidents involving overheating and meltdown are possible in any nuclear reactor. In such accidents, not only would readily volatile noble gases like iodine and caesium be released to the environment, but a small portion of the actinides, including plutonium and neptunium, would be released. As the activity of the actinides is substantially higher in the case of MOX, the consequences of such severe accidents become more serious.
When MOX fuels are used, the probability of having such serious accidents or trouble would increase due to the high content of plutonium in the fuel. Even if an accident is not a serious one, it could become serious since even a small portion of the inventory of actinides released to the environment could cause significant radiological consequences. According to a comparative analysis of possible consequences of a core meltdown accident in the German Kruemmel nuclear power plant with and without the use of MOX fuel.38
The radiation exposure from inhalation of radioactive materials during the passage of the radioactive cloud is higher by several dozen percentages than if U fuel elements were exclusively used.
Radiation exposure through the route of inhalation of remobilized long-lived actinide isotopes is more than doubled.
The land areas to become out of use by long-term contamination increases as the re-suspension pathway is a limiting factor and the greater part of the dose resulting from the pathway comes from the actinides.
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/newsarticle.aspx?id=28211
Tokyo Electric Power Company's (Tepco's) Fukushima I unit 3 is set to become the third Japanese nuclear reactor to load mixed oxide (MOX) fuel after receiving approval from the governor of Fukushima Prefecture, Yukei Sato.
Hmmm, Mixed Oxide fuel. Oh yeah, safe as houses. Nothing to worry about, move along....
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Hmmm, Mixed Oxide fuel. Oh yeah, safe as houses. Nothing to worry about, move along....
Do you have some kind of aversion to nuclear power?
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Yes I had read that when you posted it, but i still find it amazing that something designed 50 years ago is holding up so well under great duress.
Edit, must not forget the brave technicians that are staying on the job and fixing the problems, true heroes. I'd be running for the hills
Makes you realize how well these plants are designed. The one in trouble is a 2nd generation plant, the 4th gen ones must be incredible
Brave technicians have been evacuated.
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Do you have some kind of aversion to nuclear power?
Did you even read about it?
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Did you even read about it?
Read about nuclear power? Yes, lots of times.
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Can you like, throw up a little blurb below the links on your little link wall there?
I would rather know a little something about what i'm clicking on. I see that as 10 random news links.
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Hardout, take the slanted out of the writing and put a summary in your own words please.
Japan will be alright.
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Without any sort of pretense to knowing shit from clay, why are they not just dropping shedloads of sand & concrete onto the reactor buildings, like they did at Chernobyl after the event, BEFORE it gets worse..? Surely there's no real hope of salvage, just cut yer losses & run.....
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just a guess but couldn't it be about containment under the reactor as well as on top of it??? but yeah bury that shit under miles of shit but is there any risk of it seeping into the soil????
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Without any sort of pretense to knowing $#@! from clay, why are they not just dropping shedloads of sand & concrete onto the reactor buildings, like they did at Chernobyl after the event, BEFORE it gets worse..? Surely there's no real hope of salvage, just cut yer losses & run.....
http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/20...lear-reactors/ (http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/)
Read it - it isn't a huge read and it isn't highly technical, the only reason I haven't posted bits of it is you need the whole thing to get the picture
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My concern with nuclear power is when it is built on an active margin....a plate boundary no less.
It's a matter of when,not if.
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Why didn't they build tsunami Walls around the diesel generators, or put them in underground bunkers?
Everything would have been fine if the Generators weren't destroyed by the tsunami.
And I would know, I've dealt with many nuclear meltdowns in my time.
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Why didn't they build tsunami Walls around the diesel generators, or put them in underground bunkers?
I think they had both of those in place. The buildings were built to withstand an 8.x jolt, not a 9.0, so personally I think the engineers that designed them deserve a pat of the back for their efforts.
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I read somewhere the tsunami waves that hit the plant were 6m+ which is horrendously powerful (will be interested to hear exactly how big they were when solid information emerges)
Had you told me a tsunami of that magnitude hit a nuclear plant on the coast after a 8.9 earthquake before this disaster I would have expected to see a reactor core floating away let alone news that some diesel generators were fucked
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don't forget they have upgraded the quake to a 9.0 now.
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Right this link may need to go in the OP
[url]http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/[/url]
Before posting about meltdowns and explosions and the release of lethal radioactive isotopes into the air please read it people
Except he's not a nuclear physicist, is he?
http://mobile.salon.com/politics/war_room/2011/03/15/josef_oehmen_nuclear_not_worried_viral/index.html
Also: Japanese Quake Map: http://www.japanquakemap.com/
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=134600420
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Tsunami propagation throughout the Pacific:
http://www.youtube.com/user/NOAAPMEL?feature=mhum#p/c/4/Lo5uH1UJF4A
Damn, lost my embedding mojo :/
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo5uH1UJF4A
There ya go broseph
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Except he's not a nuclear physicist, is he?
[url]http://mobile.salon.com/politics/war_room/2011/03/15/josef_oehmen_nuclear_not_worried_viral/index.html[/url]
Neither is that guy.
I'll just listen to what the official engineers have to say about it.
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Neither is that guy.
I'll just listen to what the official engineers have to say about it.
No need to worry Spacemonkey.
In my official engineering capacity, I can assure you that you're in no danger.
Tokyo is 8870 km away.
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No need to worry Spacemonkey.
In my official engineering capacity, I can assure you that you're in no danger.
Tokyo is 8870 km away.
But Ming the Merciless' nuclear powered Death Ray has a greater range then that. If it accidentally activated, we would all be in danger.
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But Ming the Merciless' nuclear powered Death Ray has a greater range then that. If it accidentally activated, we would all be in danger.
If it accidentally exploded we would.
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Neither is that guy.
I'll just listen to what the official engineers have to say about it.
You do that. For me its crack pot conspiracy theorist or gtfo.
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Except he's not a nuclear physicist, is he?
You have my profuse apologies, here is the version of that blog updated and maintained by the MIT department of nuclear science and engineering
http://mitnse.com/
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This is a MUST WATCH - Gotta love the Japanese
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sakN2hSVxA
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^My mind is literally blown. I now, lay dead in a pile of my own exploded head parts.
Took me half the movie to realise nuclear boy was a metaphor.
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^My mind is literally blown. I now, lay dead in a pile of my own exploded head parts.
Took me half the movie to realise nuclear boy was a metaphor.
lol
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That video should have been used right from the start
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(http://imgs.xkcd.com/blag/radiation.png)
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I better stop eating nuclear bananas.
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lol Rob Fyfe taking a swing NZ's crappy media.
He said he had been disappointed with New Zealand media coverage on Fukushima: "Little of it is fact based, it is increasingly taking the form of a docu-drama with a mixture of fact, ill-informed non-expert opinion and a fair dose of fiction."
http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/4790680/Air-NZ-boss-Nuke-threat-overplayed
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So it's a bit like the global warming movie?
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Just looking at Sky News. Apparently a 16 year old boy and his 80 year old Grandmother have been pulled alive out of the rubble of a building, 9 days after the earthquake, through freezing cold temperatures.
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lol Rob Fyfe taking a swing NZ's crappy media.
[url]http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/4790680/Air-NZ-boss-Nuke-threat-overplayed[/url]
good on him. you can say that about ABSOLUTELY anything the NZ media portrays. half the CHCH EQ coverage - bullshit and rumour. multiple mistakes, interviews with irrelevant people who only had yesterdays info etc.
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New footage of Tsunami. Incredible the overall rise in water level and intensity throughout the video.Fucking terrifying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unb4OUb7W00
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^ That water level rise is terrifying.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4DDb8xlcTk[/url]
i only had yesterdays info etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-Q9D4dcYng
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^ That water level rise is terrifying.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4DDb8xlcTk[/url]
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lol Rob Fyfe taking a swing NZ's crappy media.
[url]http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/4790680/Air-NZ-boss-Nuke-threat-overplayed[/url]
They had Ngati sucked in.
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Yeah, aye, because it's safe as houses now.
We would also like to make our deep apologies for the concerns and inconveniences caused due to the incident of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station and the leakage of radioactive substances to the people living in the surrounding area of the power station, the people of Fukushima Prefecture, and broader society.
http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/index-e.html
NHK updates show that no one is working there...the 'between the lines' reading of this is that it it too hot, seeing as they are saying it is still grave and serious.
http://www.alternet.org/environment/150384/%27very_grave_and_serious%27:_fukushima_disaster_reaching_chernobyl_levels/
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/fukushima-nuclear-plant-radiation-detected-in-glasgow-report/768855/
Low levels of radioactive iodine believed to be from the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant in Japan have been detected in air samples in Glasgow, thousands of kilometres away from the accident site.
The Scottish Environment Protection Agency (SEPA) said the concentration of iodine found was "extremely low" and "not of concern for the public".
No worries, carry on.
Radioactive caesium and iodine has been deposited in northern Japan far from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, at levels that were considered highly contaminated after Chernobyl.
The readings were taken by the Japanese science ministry, MEXT, and reveal high levels of caesium-137 and iodine-131 outside the 30-kilometre evacuation zone, mostly to the north-north-west.
Iodine-131, with a half-life of eight days, should disappear in a matter of weeks. The bigger worry concerns caesium-137, which has a half-life of 30 years and could pose a health threat for far longer. Just how serious that will be depends on where it lands, and whether remediation measures are possible.
The US Department of Energy has been surveying the area with an airborne gamma radiation detector. It reports that most of the "elevated readings" are within 40 kilometres of the plant, but that "an area of greater radiation extending north-west… may be of interest to public safety officials".
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20305-caesium-fallout-from-fukushima-rivals-chernobyl.html
scientists say there may need to be exclusion zone in ocean around fukushima. fears about iodine-131 being absorbed by sea weed, fish
http://twitter.com/markwillacy
Mark Willacy is a respected and experienced Foreign Correspondent for ABC News.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2011/03/23/tech-germany-nuclear.html
Germany is determined to show the world how abandoning nuclear energy can be done.
The world's fourth-largest economy stands alone among leading industrialized nations in its decision to stop using nuclear energy because of its inherent risks. It is betting billions on expanding the use of renewable energy to meet power demands instead.
The transition was supposed to happen slowly over the next 25 years, but is now being accelerated in the wake of Japan's Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant disaster, which Chancellor Angela Merkel has called a "catastrophe of apocalyptic dimensions."
Oh, more links for you, but don't worry, carry on:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2014628191_apalradiationalabama1stldwritethru.html
http://exposedpost.blogspot.com/2011/03/japanese-pm-maximum-alert-over.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ExposedPost+%28Exposed+Post%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/land_mine_looms_05CZg5qwDVXrQiVkOBz0EI
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/29/japan-lost-race-save-nuclear-reactor
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/japan-radioactivity-found-in-uk-2256331.html
http://www.mext.go.jp/english/radioactivity_level/detail/1304099.htm
and so on.
As you can see there is a high representation from NZ Media.
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Immeasurable levels of radiation reported at Fukushima plant
The radiation level inside the plant has risen beyond the limit where it can be measured, NHK local television reported, quoting a plant’s monitoring specialist. He said the radiation is exceeding the 100 millisievert level in some places outside the plant, while inside the buildings the monitoring systems fail to show any accurate numbers.
Fukushima nuclear power plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) plans to dump more than 11,500 tones of radioactive water from the destroyed plant into the Pacific Ocean by this weekend.
Meanwhile Russia's state atomic energy agency Rosatom is discussing the possibility of sending Japan a “Landysh” liquid radioactive waste processing facility worth 35 million dollars, designed under the Russia-Japan 1993 agreement on nuclear disarmament, non-proliferation and utilization, and financed by the Japanese government.
Meanwhile, as safety concerns rise in the wake of continuing water leaks, Japan hastily set 2,000 bequerels per kilogram as the legal limit for the permitted level of radioactive iodine in seafood, the same limit that has been already adopted for vegetables, Kyodo news network reports, quoting Japan’s Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano.
http://rt.com/news/radioactive-water-pacific-plant/
That's awesome. The EPA are raising the allowable levels as well:
The EPA is preparing to dramatically increase permissible radioactive releases in drinking water, food and soil after “radiological incidents,” according to Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110316/NEWS08/110316027/1969/NEWS/Group-warns-EPA-ready-increase-radioactive-release-guidelines-?odyssey=nav|head
Just when you felt safe:
In 1959 the World Health Organisation entered into an agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency which gave the unequivocally pro-nuclear IAEA a veto over WHO research into the effects of radiation.
So we would have been subject to much manipulation of data.
But: In Kiev in June (2001) WHO is running its own conference on the effects of Chernobyl separate from IAEA.
http://www.llrc.org/health/subtopic/who.htm
http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html
http://www.who.int/hac/en/index.html
Do things ever change?
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So we would have been subject to much mutation of data.
Missed the chance of a good pun there.
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People here in Korea are starting to get worried with talks for radioactive rain on thursday
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The levels of 'radioactive' Iodine really shouldn't be of concern to anyone, in Glasgow, or indeed, Japan. At the moment.
Nor should consuming any 'radioactive' Squid be of much concern. At the moment.
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7.1mag 2011/04/07 14:32:42 LAT 38.253, LONG 141.640, DEPTH 49.0 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
My friend Lee-Ann literally shat herself
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10717902
stupid people are stupid
The nation that doesn't worry about the artillery aimed at them across the border but then freaks out over stupid things like fan death, radiation from Japan and mad cow
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7.1mag 2011/04/07 14:32:42 LAT 38.253, LONG 141.640, DEPTH 49.0 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
My friend Lee-Ann literally shat herself
Got pics? that shit is niche, literally....
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Got pics? that shit is niche, literally....
if you shat your-self, would you immediatly take a photo of it?
No, you wouldn't
in that sorta situation you wouldnt even stop to clean it, you'd get to safety
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Think it was a joke brah
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if you shat your-self, would you immediatly take a photo of it?
No, you wouldn't
in that sorta situation you wouldnt even stop to clean it, you'd get to safety
SRS?
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although for the sake of GetSome, id prolly take a photo
would be quite fitting to its content
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would it compete with the infamous xlan turd?
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The levels of 'radioactive' Iodine really shouldn't be of concern to anyone, in Glasgow, or indeed, Japan. At the moment.
Nor should consuming any 'radioactive' Squid be of much concern. At the moment.
I would hope that consuming radioactive squid would turn me into a giant mutant squid.
[url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10717902[/url]
stupid people are stupid
The nation that doesn't worry about the artillery aimed at them across the border but then freaks out over stupid things like fan death, radiation from Japan and mad cow
It's silly eh. People are always scared of things they don't understand.
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You don't scare me, Spacemonkey.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vZR0Rq1Rfw
Another freaky video of the tsunami. I was literally yelling 'RUN' at the screen. Made me go cold.
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vZR0Rq1Rfw[/url]
Another freaky video of the tsunami. I was literally yelling 'RUN' at the screen. Made me go cold.
これはこれわ, ないていますぎるよ
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Were they trying to pull the suitcase up those stairs at the end?
The end of that vid is intense. did make me go cold
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Nothing to see here, go about your business
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMXvpWoHzeE
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I found a channel devoted to radiation and weather.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwAEbKBcEg4
edit: Wrong video link!!
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Greenpeace. Of course they've never had an alterior motive in their entire existence.
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Nothing to see here, go about your business
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMXvpWoHzeE[/url]
While most of that stuff is bang on you lose all credibility when you mention reptilians.
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vZR0Rq1Rfw[/url]
Another freaky video of the tsunami. I was literally yelling 'RUN' at the screen. Made me go cold.
Wow.
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http://www.koreus.com/video/tsunami-japon-interieur-voiture.html
Poor bastards....harrowing stuff.
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I've had boats that weren't as sea-worthy as that car, wipers still working and all.
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wtf happened at the end? :(
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He escaped from the vehicle seconds before it was crushed by other debris and sunk underwater.
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I had no idea that the entire population of the Okuma evacuated
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_town
Some ghost towns, especially those that preserve period-specific architecture, have become tourist attractions. Some examples are Bannack, Montana; Calico, California; and Oatman, Arizona in the United States; Barkerville in Canada; Elizabeth Bay and Kolmanskop in Namibia; and Pripyat in Ukraine. Visiting, writing about, and photographing ghost towns is a minor industry. A recent modern day example is Ōkuma, Fukushima which was abandoned due to the 2011 Japan earthquake and tsunami incident.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ōkuma,_Fukushima
Ōkuma (大熊町 Ōkuma-machi?) is a town located in Futaba District, Fukushima Prefecture, Japan.
In 2010, the town had a population of 11,515[1] and a population density of 146.31 persons per km˛. The total area is 78.70 km˛.
On 11 March 2011, the Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami occurred. The town incurred much damage from the disaster, most notably the tsunami hitting the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant and the subsequent nuclear disaster. As a result, Ōkuma is now a modern day ghost town.
Area
• Total 78.70 km2 (30.39 sq mi)
Population (2011)
• Total 0
• Density 0.0/km2 (0.0/sq mi)
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It would be cool to visit, along with Pripyat, Ukraine.