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General => General Chat => Topic started by: mycoolcar on March 07, 2012, 05:34:45 pm
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Anyone else watched this?
Its 30mins long, but very worth the watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc
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Only one way to stop Kony.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTlgjynIG8&feature=related
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Pretty interesting watch. Its amazing to think how things like the youtube, have made things like this so powerful.
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Only one way to stop Kony.
I wish. That'd b awesum.
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Sometimes, humans do some awesome things. However, this seems to be in response to humans doing horrible things, which puts us back at square one.
Very well filmed.
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Think it's time for our contacts over the much larger ditch to do something.
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there is no oil in uganda , the yanks wont do fuck all .
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also , i embeded it on my facecrack page so all my zynga whore friends could see...
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Think it's time for our contacts over the much larger ditch to do something.
That's the thing, why does America have to do something about it? Does the UN not exist to stop things exactly like this?
I find it bizarre that before now what is going on there wasn't highlighted by the media. But I guess there are a lot of things going on in Africa that we never hear about.
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The US have advisors there that we don't want them to pull out, our goverment would probbably participate if under pressure aswell but we have our own financial problems. Which Mr. Key sale of state assests isn't the solution.
@baldy: With the 2012 elections this probbably become a policy with one of the parties involved, it just needs enough attention and pressure.
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That's the thing, why does America have to do something about it? Does the UN not exist to stop things exactly like this?
I find it bizarre that before now what is going on there wasn't highlighted by the media. But I guess there are a lot of things going on in Africa that we never hear about.
The UN is only as powerful as the members (countries) part of it allow it to be.
Read up on the Rwandan genocide if you really wanna see how little the international community really cared about stopping violence in Africa.
I recommend reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shake_Hands_with_the_Devil_(book) it's very powerful book written by the UN commander on the ground in Rwanda before during and after the conflict.
He is very critical of the worlds response.
From what I gathered the world is prepared to throw money at Africa and run Aid Programmes but peace-keeping means risking our young mens lives and as far as most of the world is concerned our sons aren't worth putting in harms way for far away countries in Africa that have little effect on our lives.
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Holy hell. Good video. Should be interesting to see how many people know about this in a weeks time.
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Typical Americans .. Personally think we have enough probs on our own country..
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Typical Americans .. Personally think we have enough probs on our own country..
worse than a child army? worse than the number one war criminal in the world?
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Typical Americans .. Personally think we have enough probs on our own country..
That's a bit short sighted dude.
Are you one of those guys who ignores charity workers with a grin on your face, and when asked to donate to whatever devastating event has happened you turn around and say "sorry, but I prefer to help my own country before I help others"...
And as Ghost said, I don't think you could easily come up with a cause that NZ is facing right now that out weighs a murderous dictator who steals children.
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correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most problems in africa caused by The West's insatiable demand for their resources? i.e. Diamonds and Unobtanium (or watev that metal used in playstation etc processors is called) etc?
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correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most problems in africa caused by The West's insatiable demand for their resources? i.e. Diamonds and Unobtanium (or watev that metal used in playstation etc processors is called) etc?
Why isn't Australia a land of ethnic cleansing and child armies?
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Why isn't Australia a land of ethnic cleansing and child armies?
Democracy.
Unrelated - it was a land of ethnic cleansing not so long ago, unrelated to resource wealth however. Just good ol' fashion racism.
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Maybe that's what this KONY campaign is all about, trying to install some democracy?
Would that be such a bad thing?
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Maybe that's what this KONY campaign is all about, trying to install some democracy?
Would that be such a bad thing?
Not at all. My point was that it's kind of ironic to tsk tsk the trouble in Africa whilst most likely using a product which probably in some way contributes to the conflict there.
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Not at all. My point was that it's kind of ironic to tsk tsk the trouble in Africa whilst most likely using a product which probably in some way contributes to the conflict there.
Not really.
It's responsibility of the manufacturer to ethically source materials fueled by public outcry, but that's never going to happen. You can't avoid using a piece of tech that uses unethically mined silicon unless you're Amish or dead.
People can still object, it may make them a little hypocritical but you'd be an even bigger douche bag if you took advantage of the situation and did nothing rather than doing something.
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Not really.
Yes really.
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seems some people have panties in a bunch over this video which started filming, and is relevant to, 2003. some say the uganda LRA violence ended 5 years ago and since reported 80% less/reduced child soldiers or something because ugandan military and ICC intervened. They are using this video which doesn't fully represent the current situation.
"The Invisible Children group are trying to pass a bill that allows America to militarise the region... They are providing misinformation to woo idealistic followers."
im just following word of mouth really. don't shoot the messenger :)
what do you guys think?
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Read something somewhere about this organisation spending most of their money on salaries, travel and filming.
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Correct.
Where exactly do they say that your donations are going to starving African children? This isn't fucking UNICEF.
Their mission is publicity, so of course donations will be spent on travel and filming.
Not that I'm giving any money away to help those fucking Africans continue to pop out children they can't fucking feed.
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^^^ this tbh why give money to africa everyday, everyyear..... all they do is feed people who then reproduce, making the problem worse.........
and why should i care about uganda, i dont live there have no intetion of going there, so.........
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Lets condemn children to war atrocities because their parents couldn't make do with a quick masty.
I'm also betting that the Catholic Church plays a big part over there, teaching them that you're not allowed to wank and you're not allowed to have sex unless a child is the result.
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Catholic Church... you're not allowed to have sex unless a child is the result.
this
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Catholic Church... you're not allowed to have sex unless it is with a child.
This.
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^^^ this tbh why give money to africa everyday, everyyear..... all they do is feed people who then reproduce, making the problem worse.........
and why should i care about uganda, i dont live there have no intetion of going there, so.........
You realise this isn't about food right?
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Where exactly do they say that your donations are going to starving African children? This isn't fucking UNICEF.
Their mission is publicity, so of course donations will be spent on travel and filming.
This also
And as far as the "I'm not feeding those kids because they will just have kids" attitude is concerned, you might be surprised to know that the majority of Aid work these days doesn't go into giving people a bag of rice etc.
It goes into capacity building, you know that whole "Teach a man to fish" thing.
The vast majority of those spouting that line like they are some fucking genius at solving world problems don't know the first thing about development work.
My girlfriend works in this industry and has worked on farming projects in PNG and is currently helping with womens empowerment, micro-finance and capacity building in Palestine.
She and all of her colleges don't go around giving out rice to people who can't feed themselves without providing a means to build the capacity to feed themselves.
The whole industry strives not to create those situations.
Africa isn't a wasteland with no food or water, infact there are many regions with very productive land and in many cases people within a country are starving while the country exports a vast amount of food product.
What some countries do have are corrupt governments, conflict and a lack of infrastructure and all of those things while very challenging are solvable.
Obviously this a very simplified summary but for people with views like Broncos that might be new information.
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Africa should of stayed under the British Empire. If they had I believe that many of the problems in that part of the world would not exist.
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Not really feasible considering the "British Empire" doesn't exist.
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any way all politics aside made me give a fuck . normally i dont give a fuck . i dont think any child should be abducted into child slavery/militia .
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Sorry guys, but it looks like the leaders of invisible children aren't the saints you thought they were. http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/post/18890947431/we-got-trouble
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Already read that and still support it.
In short.
Yes a lot of money doesn't go directly to children, that doesn't seem to be their objective, it's about raising awareness and providing political pressure.
I'm pretty solidly behind that idea, that fact that Gen Y seems to be more interested in Kony than Ipad 3 today is a good thing.
I support direct military intervention in certain cases, NZ is involved in military intervention in east-timor and that's a good thing.
We got into Afghanistan and Iraq and East Timor and tons of places to provide military intervention for our own interests all the time, Africa doesn't get jack shit attention most of the time so I'm comfortable with this, we aren't talking about sending in a full US force anyways they are talking about getting enough attention to keep US advisers in country and for the US to provide equipment which they are already doing.
Anyone can find something wrong with any aid organisation and write a blog about it, that doesn't mean its inherently wrong.
If facebook and these dudes had been around during the Rwandan genocide and the international community used military intervention things for the great lakes region could have turned out very differently.
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Bell is smart and well informed, I support what he supports.
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I should add I emailed my girlfriend with that link virus put up a few hours ago and asked for her and her co-workers opinions who all work in this field and are a shit-ton smarter and far more informed than me.
So i'll post her response when I get it.
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Cheers for the rep bell: I saw the video , have a clue , just don't give a toss
About something that far away in a fkd up country..
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Thanks for the valuable input.
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Cheers for the rep bell: I saw the video , have a clue , just don't give a toss
About something that far away in a fkd up country..
Top guy.
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Cheers for the rep bell: I saw the video , have a clue , just don't give a toss
About something that far away in a fkd up country..
You're human and so are they, anyone who looks at it as 'they're X and I'm Y' are just generally shit people and they're the ones who should be born into Uganda. But they aren't, good/innocent people are just as bad people are, just like there are bad people in our good neighborhoods. You can choose which sport teams you support but you can't choose where you're born, and people shouldn't have to suffer because of idiots who think not being from your country means they aren't the same species as you.
Make sense?
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i understand that odball but i have enough irl to worry about , than something miles and miles away........... my opinion, which unless im mistaken we are allowed.....
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http://whitthef.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/kony-2012/ Interesting read.
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Good luck finding him in the big ass jungles! They have been trying for years already. The only way they will get him is by luck or a mass amount of troops.
I do support this though. Mostly because it's a warm feeling seeing so many people come together against something they dislike.
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Sorry guys, but it looks like the leaders of invisible children aren't the saints you thought they were. [url]http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/post/18890947431/we-got-trouble[/url]
Someone posts a well made video -> These guys are saints.
Someone rebuts the video, with a well written blog -> these guys are criminals.
At the end of the day, the guys who made this video have exaggerated the truth, and as mentioned before not mentioned how much the effect of the LRA has reduced in the past years. But if pushing the truth is what it takes to stop a war criminal, I don't see the issue with it.
Also
http://ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-visible-problem-with-invisible-children/
Probably the most interesting of the ones being thrown around. IN particular:
When I traveled into Southern Sudan, you could sense something was different there. There is a greedy spirit there that you can feel. Foreign aid had ruined South Sudan. People do not want to work, they want handouts. An entire generation has been cared for by the UN and other NGO’s. They are fed, clothed, protected, and sent to school without having to do anything. I walked through the market there and saw UNICEF tarps and blankets for sale. I could also buy Samaritan’s Purse shoe-boxes, filled with all sorts of American goodies. I thought back how I thought it was a good idea for me to send a shoebox filled with soap, toothpaste, bouncy balls, and a washcloth to a faraway land. What I realize now is that sending things, whether money, objects, or people to a place that I have no information on is a bad idea.
The problems that Uganda faces today cannot be fixed by hundreds of uneducated Westerners going there to “help”. As you read this article, think about how much you really know about the political situations in Uganda and throughout Africa that contribute to long lasting problems.
Africa as a whole needs to break free from foreign aid. Almost half of Uganda’s yearly budget is made up of foreign aid. I think that many of Uganda’s problems stem from its reliance on foreign support. If you want to read more on that, check out a Ugandan journalist named Andrew Mwenda. The aid to African nations is increasing the corruption there and encouraging these nations to continue this dependence on foreign nations and it does not encourage them to become totally self sufficient. When asked what rich nations should do to help Africa, Mwenda said,
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Good read toofast cheers.
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I think we should take IC as a warning before someone much worse exploits the power of the internet.
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I know absolutely nothing about this, but at the start of that video he talks about peace, then at the end of it he talks about funding the Uganda army to attack Kony's army??
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Yes we have establisihed that the founder himself is to a degree hypocritical.
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i understand that odball but i have enough irl to worry about , than something miles and miles away........... my opinion, which unless im mistaken we are allowed.....
I'm sure.
Bet my left nut they're all first world problems too.
Typical response from someone who can't see a bigger picture I suppose.
In regards to your stunning opinion - This is a forum. If you post your opinion here, you are subject to question. I believe this is the basis of... well just about the damn whole point now in'it?
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Words from my girlfriend who knows a bit about this sorta stuff in-case anyone cares.
I don't think there is any problem with groups doing advocacy as their main focus, so then travel/advertising/awareness kits would be where they spend the vast majority of their money, with development projects taking up much less of their resources. It just depends what their mission is. If their mission is to stop Kony then doing development projects won't do that much, whereas awareness raising might. And yes military interventions are always fucked and the Ugandan army is not a good one, but it is a legitimate authority under direction by a democratically elected government in Uganda so that is a hell of a lot better to spend your resources trying to build up then just allowing the Lord's resistance army to run rampant. And yes the LRA hasn't been in Uganda since 2006 but they are mostly in the Congo and South Sudan now from my understanding and if this blogger thinks that the armies there are better equipped to help out he is sadly mistaken.
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meme pic
No but political pressure from the general public can do wonders, but of course you need to do more than like a page.
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Thanks for posting.
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The US have advisors there that we don't want them to pull out, our goverment would probbably participate if under pressure aswell but we have our own financial problems. Which Mr. Key sale of state assests isn't the solution.
This is a pretty funny post if you think about it.
Uganda conflict... "BAM" Asset sales!
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Thanks for the vid mcc, pretty sad about the situation
also when someone mans up to do something great as this theres always going to be few saying its a rip off, kony is already dead, pointless etc..
and as for that pic them holding weopons well obviously they will be touching weopons to go against someone like koni, nothing wrong with that
Cheers for the rep bell: I saw the video , have a clue , just don't give a toss
About something that far away in a fkd up country..
wow mate i hope theres only a very few worthless people like you in this world
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Great cause, too bad it's too late. Will blow over in 6 months time, just like everything else. Protest was primo in the 60s, pretty much dead today.
Also, that link that toofast posted is all too condemning of the whole situation, sure the video went viral, and my facebook feed was over encumbered with "KONY 2012" shit with pictures, links and "omg whatisthis", but before you jump on the bandwagon, this information has been out for years. A decade infact. The footage is well over 5 years old. As mentioned previously, Kony is out of Uganda, into the Congo, and Uganda is in its first 'peacetime' in over two decades. Where is all this money going to? 2 cents of every dollar goes to the charity fund. Which, is funding the Ugandan military and government, who aren't all too legitimate to begin with.
First mentioned fighting a war with publicity and protest, then ending it with funding the military for violent intervention. End of the day, children will die, regardless. Kony is on his last legs.
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Put it into perspective, at least broncos is making a truthful statement, that most of us are all guilty of not doing, we like to think we care, all good to sit at the computer and talk about it and how bad it all is bla bla bla, but no one on here is in africa giving up their first world luxuries or donating every spare cent you earn and living off rice!
It all comes back to one thing, all humans are selfish and even when you are helping others it is in essence selfish to ones emotions.
Anyway he stated his view so if he really doesn't care he won't care about this thread.
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Protest was primo in the 60s, pretty much dead today.
Tell that to Egypt.
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Protest was primo in the 60s, pretty much dead today
Tell that to Egypt.
Fucking lol'd
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Put it into perspective, at least broncos is making a truthful statement, that most of us are all guilty of not doing, we like to think we care, all good to sit at the computer and talk about it and how bad it all is bla bla bla, but no one on here is in africa giving up their first world luxuries or donating every spare cent you earn and living off rice!
It all comes back to one thing, all humans are selfish and even when you are helping others it is in essence selfish to ones emotions.
Anyway he stated his view so if he really doesn't care he won't care about this thread.
Christ the world isn't black and white, you don't either sit back being a selfish douche-bag or give up everything in your life.
According to all the development/aid skeptics unless you do everything perfectly and nothing negative ever happens and if you don't give up everything in your life and revoke all luxuries , you aren't really doing any good and are a douche-bag.
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Not the only douche-bag either.
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^ not sure where thats aimed
Christ the world isn't black and white, you don't either sit back being a selfish douche-bag or give up everything in your life.
According to all the development/aid skeptics unless you do everything perfectly and nothing negative ever happens and if you don't give up everything in your life and revoke all luxuries , you aren't really doing any good and are a douche-bag.
Not what I was getting at, but if you are gonna call someone out on a statement like that, are you justified to do so?
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Not what I was getting at, but if you are gonna call someone out on a statement like that, are you justified to do so?
Moot.
World is not black and white.
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I care a little more than you do, so you are a douche bag! OK I get it now. GG
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Not what I was getting at, but if you are gonna call someone out on a statement like that, are you justified to do so?
Sorry then what what were you trying to get at?
If you asking me if I'm justified to call out Broncos I guess you are asking if I just sit at my computer and do nothing?
I haven't done that much I must admit but I donate now and then to places like MSF and I did donate to IC because I'd like to see what their advocating work can lead to.
I'm also moving to Palestine in a couple of months and hoping to volunteer and work in the West Bank but i'll mostly just be supporting my girlfriend who is far more qualified to do useful work over there.
And no I will not be going there for selfless reasons It's not like I can do much anyway and obviously my girlfriend is the major factor but also the cultural experience interests me but hopefully I can do some tiny positive things or atleast learn something.
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This is a pretty funny post if you think about it.
Uganda conflict... "BAM" Asset sales!
Even made me SALTS.
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The US have advisors there that we don't want them to pull out, our goverment would probbably participate if under pressure aswell but we have our own financial problems. Which Mr. Key sale of state assests isn't the solution.
@baldy: With the 2012 elections this probbably become a policy with one of the parties involved, it just needs enough attention and pressure.
lol bl on that one, they are already there looking for him regardless of there being no oil.
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-10-14/africa/world_africa_africa-obama-troops_1_obama-orders-south-sudan-central-african-republic?_s=PM:AFRICA
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lol bl on that one, they are already there looking for him regardless of there being no oil.
[url]http://articles.cnn.com/2011-10-14/africa/world_africa_africa-obama-troops_1_obama-orders-south-sudan-central-african-republic?_s=PM:AFRICA[/url]
That wasn't search and destroy. Officials were sent over to train the Ugandan army in hopes that they would find him themselves.
Look at the date., Oct 2011.
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Like RB said they are there to give 'advice' / training, KONY 2012's first demand was for the US troops already there to stay till the capture of Joseph Kony. By KONY 2012 persuading students to put pressure on the government, I doubt Obama will pull them out if he wants to run for a second term.
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Watching a whole group of young americans chanting one thing?
Indoctrination is alive and well in the world.
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I like how people are coming together to catch this KONY asswipe, yet the America people aren’t doing anything to stop the corruption of their own government despite there being plenty of documentaries to show the facts.
Also America won’t send in people to kill KONY unless they benefit somehow. It’s all talk and no show with politics.
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I like how people are coming together to catch this KONY asswipe, yet the America people aren’t doing anything to stop the corruption of their own government despite there being plenty of documentaries to show the facts.
What is with people and this random point jumping, from one thing to another for no apparent reason?
You're as bad as OLWAG.
Listen to yourself - "I like how people are coming together to catch this KONY asswipe" then suddenly, a wild topic jump appears - "yet the America people aren’t doing anything to stop the corruption of their own government despite there being plenty of documentaries to show the facts."
lol?
Wtf are you even talking about love. And no, don't start showing me bullshit about American corruption, because yes, we all know, we all get it.
Just re-evaluate what you said. Think for a minute.
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I read that as "Why do americans think that they should be fixing other peoples shit when they could be fixing their own shit." Is that not how it was intended?
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Then maybe she should have said that in the first place.
In any case, not entirely relevant. I assumed this thread about KONY was a thread about KONY. American corruption is a whole issue on its own?
Or are we just rolling a bunch of issues into a few sentences now? Its like a cool kids thing?
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So by that reasoning UN peace keepers should never be used unless corruption is non existent in the member states?
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Also America won’t send in people to kill KONY unless they benefit somehow. It’s all talk and no show with politics.
Well they aren't asking to send in people to kill Kony at all.
They are asking for the US advisers to help the Ugandan army capture Kony.
If Obama believes a shitload of Gen-Y get out voting for him by promising to put more resources into finding this guy, he will fucking do it.
When young people vote in America they can be the deciding factor so if this does continue to gather momentum I wouldn't be surprised if you hear Obama pledge support.
That would be a pretty inspiring outcome in my opinion.
And it might show some people that you can do something within the political system without massive amounts of money and lobbyists.
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Its like a cool kids thing?
Defiantly.
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I read that as "Why do americans think that they should be fixing other peoples shit when they could be fixing their own shit." Is that not how it was intended?
You got it XD
My KONY bracelets are on the way because qu1cks and I are participating after all and have donated.
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We should send all our prisoners to Uganda to do volunteer work at schools.
Right before America invades.
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After doing some 'looking into it' and forming my own opinion, I've come to this conclusion:
Killing / capturing Kony wont make ANY difference to the lives of people in Urganda (even if Kony WAS in Urganda, which KONY 2012 conveniently left out) because even if he dies it wont stop the LRA, they aren't going to conclude what they're doing and send the children home. Who're they kidding?
As has been pointed out, and I'm agreeing with, there are organizations better suited to help people in Urganda than IC. Actually I'd take it further and say IC have no clue what they're doing beyond paying their own salaries and fooling young Americans; as far as actually helping Urganda goes, no clue at all.
And I'm not going to donate a damned cent to IC because it wont make a difference to people who need the help. That said, if I was a ninja, I'd totally sort things out myself! But I'm not, nor can I fund an army (or a ninja!), so I'll accept the fact that there's absolutely way for me to make a difference through IC and go ahead and say their companies barely more than a scam.
That's MY opinion.
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I think this is more an experiment into exploiting the good nature of people via a viral social media campaign. Whether it is also so the yanks can establish a base of operations in Uganda or not remains to be seen, it would be naive to think that this was not a possible motive however. If they were, would it be a good place for a military base? It's land locked, so would seem like a bad place to start.
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Well I don't feel ripped off donating $5 lol.
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true, $5 is of little concern to anyone. But if 24 million people donate $5 then that could buy a lot of guns. Or maybe a tank or something. I'm still trying to work out if it's propaganda. I mean they quote Kony as saying something like once he found out the GREAT POWER of america was after him he was changing tactics. Really? That's a bit hard to swallow
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Only time will tell.
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true, $5 is of little concern to anyone. But if 24 million people donate $5 then that could buy a lot of guns. Or maybe a tank or something. I'm still trying to work out if it's propaganda. I mean they quote Kony as saying something like once he found out the GREAT POWER of america was after him he was changing tactics. Really? That's a bit hard to swallow
How so, if I was a milita leader and heard the US was providing adviser support and equipment to help find me I'm pretty sure I'd take notice.
And oddball I specifically remember seeing an animated part of that movie that showed that Kony had moved into the congo region and the voice over even said as much.
I'm not sure why everyone keeps saying they are misleading people on that part.
I mean yes take the movie as a whole and if you weren't paying attention maybe you would think he was still in Uganda but I don't think they really covered it up.
I specifically remember taking in the fact that he was in other areas after finishing watching that movie, if you guys thought otherwise I guess that is a valid communication critisim but I think people are blowing that part way out of proportion.
Fact is the US advisers are deployed in the whole region not just Uganda (go look it up) and IC wants to keep them there.
That really isn't that controversial IMO.
And a pretty good scam if it is one, first build a bunch of schools and do community projects in Uganda for years spend thousands of hours advocating for your cause.
Then make awareness raising videos that will of course go viral and spend the majority of your video talking mostly about awareness raising and then offer for people to buy a pack of posters and stuff for $20 and post it to them and reap the immense rewards (after costs of course).
Fuck if that's scamming then I hope more people do it.
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I just found that part at minute 15, yes its very short so as I said a valid critisim about how they communicated that part I can see why its caused a bit of confusion but I don't think there was sinister intent.
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Still, it seems unlikely that he would honour his enemy so. I find it out of character.
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Everything is sinister! be afraid, be very afraid wooowooowooo O.O
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I just found that part at minute 15, yes its very short so as I said a valid critisim about how they communicated that part I can see why its caused a bit of confusion but I don't think there was sinister intent.
not sure if sinister but they came out and said that it was intended.
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They came out and said they intended people to think he was in Uganda and not in the congo?
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I think i've lost interest in all this now lol
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They came out and said they intended people to think he was in Uganda and not in the congo?
not in those specific words but when questioned they said they intended for the video to spark interest over anything. So they wanted people to think this a "now" thing even though the uganda govt even stated that this is no longer the case for them. (i imagine they tried to play out some real facts under mumbled breathe, in order to create the most response)
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They clearly showed him (Kony) moving into the congo. They just wanna curb stomp the mother f&*^ker now.
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After doing some 'looking into it' and forming my own opinion, I've come to this conclusion:
I wasted 15 minutes watching that video until the bullshit started leaking out the sides of the screen and I had to stop.
Unfortunately my YouTube feed is flooded with Kony related videos now. Thankfully they are from thoughtful people who, like Oddball, have come to their own conclusion.
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Tiwa.
He knows bullshit when he sees it.
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Kony is so last week.
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Unfortunately my YouTube feed is flooded with Kony related videos now. Thankfully they are from thoughtful people who, like Oddball, have come to their own conclusion.
What, because people's opinions differ from yours, they're wrong? You're not prepared to call them "their own" unless they align more closely with what you, and others, have arrived at?
What if people's "own" opinions where still to support the KONY campaign? Would you still lambast them?
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What, because people's opinions differ from yours, they're wrong? You're not prepared to call them "their own" unless they align more closely with what you, and others, have arrived at?
What if people's "own" opinions where still to support the KONY campaign? Would you still lambast them?
Their opinion is "There is more to this Kony story than meets the eye and that you should go looking for information about the organisation BEFORE you make a decision for yourself".
This isnt a case of ingroups and outgroups (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroups_and_outgroups), ingroup and out group bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group–out-group_bias), or even outgroup homogeneity bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outgroup_homogeneity_bias). Here is an example of a video in my list:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKhij5C3j9w
The thing is there are ALOT of videos like this, usually much longer.
Just because a persons opinion has been consistently wrong in the past doesnt mean I will pay less attention to it in the future. "The past is the future" is the Necromancers catch phrase. Well, one of them. The other one is in the title.
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Their opinion is "There is more to this Kony story than meets the eye and that you should go looking for information about the organisation BEFORE you make a decision for yourself".
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Goes without saying in everything you read/watch/hear I don't really need thousands of people all chanting the same thing.
What people are really trying to say is "LOOK INTO IT AND HATE IT LIKE ME!" not look into it and make your own mind up.
That's what you are trying to say as well going by your previous post, so don't give me that innocent line
But at the end of the day even the anger directed at the group is raising their profile and advertising their cause even those who are jumping on the hate train are now more informed indirectly about this issue and that is one of the main purposes of their campaign.
Hands up who knows about kony?
Oh 100million+ people... cool
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Goes without saying in everything you read/watch/hear I don't really need thousands of people all chanting the same thing.
What people are really trying to say is "LOOK INTO IT AND HATE IT LIKE ME!" not look into it and make your own mind up.
That's what you are trying to say as well going by your previous post, so don't give me that innocent line
I will support something until it asks me for money.
If you ask me for money, then it becomes business. And I take business VERY seriously.
100+ million people know who KONY is? Cool. If each person gave $1 then that organisation just made $100,000,000.
According to the statistics: 30% of that goes to the actual cause. Net profit: $70,000,000.
Thats what I hate.
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According to the statistics: 30% of that goes to the actual cause. Net profit: $70,000,000.
Thats what I hate.
That's some awesome black & white statistics you got there, Tiwa.
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(http://i.imgur.com/w25d1.jpg) (http://imgur.com/w25d1)
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That's some awesome black & white statistics you got there, Tiwa.
Are you accusing me of becoming old, affluent, and republican?!?!
Hmm. You might have a point there.
End Giovanni's Tyranny 2012!!
um.
In the Generation II games, Giovanni has disappeared inexplicably after his final loss to Red, leaving Team Rocket scrambling and confused.
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I will support something until it asks me for money.
If you ask me for money, then it becomes business. And I take business VERY seriously.
100+ million people know who KONY is? Cool. If each person gave $1 then that organisation just made $100,000,000.
According to the statistics: 30% of that goes to the actual cause. Net profit: $70,000,000.
Thats what I hate.
I'm not sure you understand the concept of a not-for-profit organization.
If you really think thats how they are running I think you need to do some research.
You know watching opinion youtube videos isn't actually real research, you wouldn't use youtube as a source for a research paper that's for sure :P
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I'm not sure you understand the concept of a not-for-profit organization.
If you really think thats how they are running I think you need to do some research.
You know watching opinion youtube videos isn't actually real research, you wouldn't use youtube as a source for a research paper that's for sure :P
I would like to make a comment about this, but we will have to wait until the end of the year/next year for the release of 2012 financial reports.
Suffice to say: They have made more money than the entirety of 2011.
Now. You can go do the research to find out how I found that out.
edit: And yes I know the Kony 2012 thing is not a scam, but the number of people who have seen the Kony thing is four times the population of Uganda. It is a marketing persons wet dream.
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I read somewhere kony is no longer in uganda and only had 100 followers ...
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but you don't care anyway
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I would like to make a comment about this, but we will have to wait until the end of the year/next year for the release of 2012 financial reports.
Suffice to say: They have made more money than the entirety of 2011.
Now. You can go do the research to find out how I found that out.
edit: And yes I know the Kony 2012 thing is not a scam, but the number of people who have seen the Kony thing is four times the population of Uganda. It is a marketing persons wet dream.
And these are supposed to be negatives??
Do you only support unsuccessful NGO's?
Is this just a case of tall poppies tiwa
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And these are supposed to be negatives??
Do you only support unsuccessful NGO's?
Is this just a case of tall poppies tiwa
A successful misinformation campaign disguised as half truth mixed in with moral panic (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThinkOfTheChildren) just leads me to conclude that the world isnt moving forward, it is moving backwards at half the pace.
but you don't care anyway
I know this wasnt aimed at me but ... I care about you and your opinion. I dont care about other peoples opinion about me personally though.
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But what they said in that video was true.
It was super simplified mainly because a dry facts documentary would have been boring and gathered no interest.
If you had to listen to a mono-tone professor talk about American Politics and not people like Jon Stewart I bet many of us would know a lot less about that topic.
With both Jon Stewart and these guys the flashy well produced videos they both make are a starting point, they bring my attention to something and then I look into hard facts on my own.
I'm gonna give these guys a shot and hope this debate and interest in aid in the developing world continues because it sure beats the hell of out people arguing about which cellphone is the best and talking about how awesome Steve Jobs was.
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Saw these on the way to school today
(http://www.getsome.co.nz/attachment.php?attachmentid=7112&stc=1&d=1331784228)
(http://www.getsome.co.nz/attachment.php?attachmentid=7113&stc=1&d=1331784239)
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That got old quick....
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/417345_10150649859729477_694899476_8998509_354364713_n.jpg)
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I have yet to see any kony stickers or such. But i dont believe aucklanders care about anything.
Also:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10792246
More than 77 million people around the world have watched the Kony 2012 video, but the victims of Joseph Kony have slammed the film following its premiere in Northern Uganda.
The African Youth Initiative Network charity sought to change that, with plans to show the clip in outdoor theatres across northern Uganda.
However further screenings have been cancelled after the "premiere" of the video on Tuesday night local time in Lira Town prompted an angry response.
Event organisers were sent fleeing for cover when rocks were thrown as the crowd turned angry at the conclusion of the film.
He told the Guardian after the screening people were "very angry" about the film.
"They were all saying, 'This is not about us, it does not reflect our lives'."
People were most outraged about the Stop Kony campaign merchandise, such as T-shirts, posters and bracelets.
"It was very hurtful for them and their families to see posters, bracelets and buttons, all looking like slick campaign ads of the person most responsible for their shattered lives. One young man who lost four brothers and one of his arms said afterwards: 'How can anybody expect me to wear a T-shirt with Kony's name on it?'" Mr Ochen, whose own father and brother were abducted by the LRA, told the Guardian.
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I have yet to see any kony stickers or such. But i dont believe aucklanders care about anything.
Also:
[url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10792246[/url]
This article warmed the cockles of my heart. Support Invisible Children? Yes.
Support this video? no.
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77 million, x2.
At least 150 million people have seen it. The 3 people I know that have seen it, have watched it with someone else. Pretty safe bet we can at least double YouTube numbers.
Anywho, Kony dead or alive, found or not, arrested or not, he has a 2IC. Oh, and a 3IC...
Its one guy, who if I am a betting man, would say he will have someone in line.
I support the cause, but its just that... another cause.
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Charlie Brooker's take:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om17yHZrXtE
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Haha..haha...ha.
http://rt.com/usa/news/kony-2012-arrested-masturbating-777/
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also:
Jason Russell, co-founder of the controversial nonprofit Invisible Children and the star of its ultra-viral fundraising campaign video KONY2012, was arrested yesterday in the San Diego neighborhood of Pacific Beach for masturbating in public while under the influence.
The San Diego Police Department says Russell, 33, was taken into custody after he was caught masturbating in public and vandalizing cars. Lt. Andra Brown also noted that he was under the influence, but did not identify the substance.
His overall behavior was said to have been “Very strange.”
http://thedailywh.at/2012/03/16/didnt-see-that-coming-of-the-day/
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/jason-russell-san-diego-invisible-children-kony-2012-142970255.html
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Oh lawd, he done George Michael'd himself.
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Oh lawd, he done George Michael'd himself.
I lol'd.. hard
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Charlie Brooker's take:
[url]http://rt.com/usa/news/kony-2012-arrested-masturbating-777/[/url][/url]
No More Heroes.
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http://tumblr.thedailywh.at/post/19410454386/didnt-see-that-coming-of-the-day-jason-russell
the head of IC jason russel had a mental meltdown. caught in public masturbating among other things lol
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Hoodie just derp'd.
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[url]http://tumblr.thedailywh.at/post/19410454386/didnt-see-that-coming-of-the-day-jason-russell[/url]
Oh the wondrous comments
Orla Gillman 5 hours ago
injizzible children
Teej Liddell 7 hours ago
This couldn't come at a better time.
C. McC 2 hours ago in reply to Teej Liddell
I don't think they let him come at all...
Hoodie just derp'd.
I have to say that the press statement they released is hilarious.
Jason Russell was unfortunately hospitalized yesterday suffering from exhaustion, dehydration, and malnutrition.
So, masturbating has the same effect as an Ethiopian famine?
edit: And checking my YouTubes has brought out the best critic of them all: The YTWatchDog!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR0ZDWrFnPA
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Hoodie just derp'd.
i derp :(
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his video apparently of him flipping the fuck out
http://gawker.com/5894093/
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and so it starts:
(http://i.imgur.com/hJLEm.jpg)
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No, I've seen that movie and - spoiler alert - it ends with a closet full of my suits on fire. ([url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1486217/[/url])
LANA: Well I wish you where wearing one!
ARCHER: Who would wear an on fire suit!
Best. Show. Ever.
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Too bloody right man, Archer ftw
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If you still spamin Kony i feel bad for you son. He snatched 99 children and this thread saved none
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A successful misinformation campaign disguised as half truth mixed in with moral panic ([url]http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThinkOfTheChildren[/url]) just leads me to conclude that the world isnt moving forward, it is moving backwards at half the pace.
Man I love being right. Cant wait for the next obviously bullshit campaign for some crusade against some subject which people will will not do the research (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidNotDoTheResearch) for.
It is 2012, the Internet is everywhere, and still people get suckered in by this stuff hook, line, and sinker.
The only thing that could make this victory better is if the organiser dies while hanging himself from a door knob while having a wank.
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You should, in this circumstance, hate being right.
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You should, in this circumstance, hate being right.
Not really.
People gave money to a good cause, learned about some dude named 'Kony' who is a bad man, learned quite abit about modern Ugandan history, and found out that Africa isnt quite as shitty a place as everyone makes it out to be.
It is just a shame that it was promoted under such an obviously false pretenses.
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Not really.
People gave money to a good cause, learned about some dude named 'Kony' who is a bad man, learned quite abit about modern Ugandan history, and found out that Africa isnt quite as shitty a place as everyone makes it out to be.
It is just a shame that it was promoted under such an obviously false pretenses.
Fact is, you enjoy that you're right about an organization profiting off charity, specifically charity for under privileged children. I'd hate to be right in that situation. What the hell do you have to gain form being right apart from some show boating about being right?
I know I'd be fuming if I did some research into Save The Children and found that I was right about them acting as midget smugglers.
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Fact is, you enjoy that you're right about an organization profiting off charity, specifically charity for under privileged children. I'd hate to be right in that situation. What the hell do you have to gain form being right apart from some show boating about being right?
And these are supposed to be negatives??
Do you only support unsuccessful NGO's?
Is this just a case of tall poppies RetardoBot?
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And these are supposed to be negatives??
Do you only support unsuccessful NGO's?
Is this just a case of tall poppies RetardoBot?
Tall poppies? Don't forget you're the one throwing your arms up in the air about being right and lambasting those who where apparently "sucked in".
I would have loved the KONY2012 Campaign to be successful in terms of actually providing some sort of assistance to those who need it, it sucks that it has turned out to be what appears to be a fraudulent exercise. I'm not about to do a happy dance and label all those who believed it could have been good as mindless idiots, they were doing what they believed to be right.
A year ago a pleasant man came to my door asking for donations for Save The Children. I didn't tell him to fuck off whilst I did research into the organization to make sure they do what he said they do. I'm not about to punch the Plunket lady in the vagina and chase her off my property because I believe her to be peddling lies.
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A year ago a pleasant man came to my door asking for donations for Save The Children. I didn't tell him to fuck off whilst I did research into the organization to make sure they do what he said they do. I'm not about to punch the Plunket lady in the vagina and chase her off my property because I believe her to be peddling lies.
Whats good for Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses is good for everone.
Release the hounds.
(http://files.sharenator.com/release_the_hounds_RE_Anonymous_Sends_An_Open_Letter_To_The_Westboro_Baptist_Church-s272x348-234111.jpg)
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I don't think there's anything wrong in celebrating ones intuition being proven correct. I think that's actually an important reward from an evolutionist point of view. Don't mix that up with wanting to klunge punch Jehovah Witnesses.
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I don't think there's anything wrong in celebrating ones intuition being proven correct. I think that's actually an important reward from an evolutionist point of view. Don't mix that up with wanting to klunge punch Jehovah Witnesses.
I understand this and agree with it.
But there's better situations in which to celebrate ones triumph.
YES, I WAS RIGHT, AN ORGANIZATION SETUP TO HELP AFRICAN CHILDREN IS/WAS FRAUDULENT!
As opposed to:
That sucks, I wish it wasn't that way, people are now going to be hugely skeptical of any future attempts at generating public attraction to similar, internet-born causes..
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People should be sceptical by default.
It is more like: YES, I WAS RIGHT, AN ORGANISATION SETUP TO IS/WAS FRAUDULENT!
You should be able to apply your logic to any cause, ergo you are saying no one should ever celebrate having intuition enough to detect a dodgy cause.
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ergo you are saying no one should ever celebrate having intuition enough to detect a dodgy cause.
Not at all.
I understand this and agree with it.
But there's better situations in which to celebrate ones triumph.
I'm of the belief that I wish KONY2012 would have done a lot more good. I wish it didn't turn out to be fraudulent because how much pure energy it managed to drum up.
"I wish it weren't so." rather than "I feel good because I was right about it's somewhat shakey foundations".
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He wasn't wanking in public, he was raising awareness of his boner
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He wasn't wanking in public, he was raising awareness of his boner
Hah. Should have put it on YouTube and made an "action kit".
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Man I love being right. Cant wait for the next obviously bull$#@! campaign for some crusade against some subject which people will will not do the research ([url]http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidNotDoTheResearch[/url]) for.
It is 2012, the Internet is everywhere, and still people get suckered in by this stuff hook, line, and sinker.
The only thing that could make this victory better is if the organiser dies while hanging himself from a door knob while having a wank.
I don't know you but I like you.
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Man I love being right. Cant wait for the next obviously bullshit campaign for some crusade against some subject which people will will not do the research ([url]http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidNotDoTheResearch[/url]) for. It is 2012, the Internet is everywhere, and still people get suckered in by this stuff hook, line, and sinker.
The only thing that could make this victory better is if the organiser dies while hanging himself from a door knob while having a wank.
Here ya go: http://www.getsome.co.nz/showthread.php?81027-Skate-Park-Attack
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I just had a brilliant video idea:
RUSSELL 2012
It could be a film that raises awareness towards public masturbation through the example provided by Russell.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1FKS1SHSsc
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Egoraptor <3
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dear god...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QWACLKaOC08#!
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dear god...
There is no god.
That video is proof.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c_Ue6REkeTA BUMP! Part II is released, they haven't directly countered the criticism as they know they probably can't.
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They need to deal with criticism the only way they know how - with DANCE!!!
...or public masty
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No they need to gather a few hundred clueless random uni students and make them fist pump the air to dramatic music, post it on youtube, somehow brainwashing millions of people to buy a whole lot of fucking useless shit that's not really going to help somebody half way round the world.
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Quite surprised that this whole thing did kinda pass, In NZ at least.
It actually seemed to get quite popular. Will be interesting to see if anyone does anything on april 20th. I wonder if they'll be looking at nz in particular to see if we kick it off or anything? :P
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Quite surprised that this whole thing did kinda pass, In NZ at least.
I have posted up pictures to prove otherwise.
PHONY2012 is this years catchphrase.
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For some reason I decided I wanted to see the footage of him power fapping (no homo)
Looks to me like he went legit crazy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjdH2LDH5LM
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They need to deal with criticism the only way they know how - with DANCE!!!
...or public masty
"Just be careful you dont end up naked and jacking it in San Diego"
South.Park.S16E01.REPACK.HDTV.x264-ASAP.p.flv
edit: Wrong file name!
south.park.s16e05.butterballs.hdtv.xvid-2hd.avi
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That was episode 5.
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That was episode 5.
Oops. Wrong link.
south.park.s16e05.butterballs.hdtv.xvid-2hd.avi
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Man I love being right. Cant wait for the next obviously bullshit campaign for some crusade against some subject which people will will not do the research ([url]http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidNotDoTheResearch[/url]) for.
It is 2012, the Internet is everywhere, and still people get suckered in by this stuff hook, line, and sinker.
The only thing that could make this victory better is if the organiser dies while hanging himself from a door knob while having a wank.
A parody on South Park is an equally good reward.
Got to love the song too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qjbjhqbZJg
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Yeah. Awesome.
It all came together very well in the end on that episode.
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I don't think there's anything wrong in celebrating ones intuition being proven correct. I think that's actually an important reward from an evolutionist point of view.
Maslow considered self-actualising people to possess "an unusual ability to detect the spurious, the fake, and the dishonest in personality, and in general to judge the people correctly and efficiently."
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But what they said in that video was true.
It was super simplified mainly because a dry facts documentary would have been boring and gathered no interest.
If you had to listen to a mono-tone professor talk about American Politics and not people like Jon Stewart I bet many of us would know a lot less about that topic. With both Jon Stewart and these guys the flashy well produced videos they both make are a starting point, they bring my attention to something and then I look into hard facts on my own.
Here is a campaign. It is not viewed by 100 million+ people.
It is honest. It is informative. And it is Sunday with nothing worth watching on TV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MWpxH-RlFQ
A shame they did not ask me the question "Is morality worth it?"
My answer is "No. No it is not."
I'm gonna give these guys a shot and hope this debate and interest in aid in the developing world continues because it sure beats the hell of out people arguing about which cellphone is the best and talking about how awesome Steve Jobs was.
Well that was a terrible decision.
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Could only watch for 2mins.
After the opening intro "the instant someone praises you, you fall in love with them", then every 5 seconds he spams his fish logo as if trying to subliminally force the viewer into liking him and his idea.
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Could only watch for 2mins.
After the opening intro "the instant someone praises you, you fall in love with them", then every 5 seconds he spams his fish logo as if trying to subliminally force the viewer into liking him and his idea.
I couldnt understand the whole logo thing either. Whenever it would pop up I would always think of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcXA_pkfLso
Eat them up: Yum!
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Kony 2012? Oh yes I love Africom..
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So it seems Kony defeated Jason Russell, the masturbating born-again Christian.
Very powerful voodoo magic indeed......
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Poor kid.
Daddy, sid we defeat the evil Kony?
FAP FAP FAP WHARRRGLE praise JESUS
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So Kony is famous, and not captured.
fail.
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Kony is now making a fortune with search engine hits on his name.
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He'll need the money to feed his 88 wives.
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And his 188 kids.
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The East-African country of Uganda has a population of over 35 million people. But the astonishing part is that, according to the 2010 census, 48.4% of the population is below the age of 15! A mere 2.5% of the population was 65 years and older, making it the youth capital of the World.
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It must be such an innocent joyful place, like Neverland.
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So while the adult population are fucking like rabbits, poor ole Kony is left to pick up the excess children and place them in his orphanages. Here, he feeds and clothes them, teaches them Ugandan politics and how to defend themselves. Probably sings Michael Jackson's 'You are not alone' to them at bedtime!
Mother Teresa's got nothing on this angel.