Topic: Internet privacy is dead.

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The NSA has had direct access to your personal data stored with Apple,Google,Facebook,Skype,Microsoft since 2007 and the US Government is currently defending this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/us/nsa-verizon-calls.html?hp&_r=0
Last Edit: June 07, 2013, 08:01:17 pm by Bell

Posted: June 07, 2013, 07:59:07 pm

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Lucky I'm small fish I guess.

Someone grab stuxnet and destroy these cunts.

Reply #1 Posted: June 07, 2013, 08:17:13 pm
If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

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Well since it seems that stuxnet is a joint US-Israel creation i'm not sure that will work :(

Reply #2 Posted: June 07, 2013, 08:29:38 pm

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Dammit, I'm gonna have to stop organising my terrorist attacks on Facebook.

Reply #3 Posted: June 07, 2013, 08:44:31 pm

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Last Edit: June 07, 2013, 09:43:39 pm by Bell

Reply #4 Posted: June 07, 2013, 09:31:31 pm

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Dammit, I'm gonna have to stop organising my terrorist attacks on Facebook.

Maybe we can organize our terrorist attacks via NZ post. It will help them with their business.

Reply #5 Posted: June 10, 2013, 08:17:23 am

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data


That PowerPoint looks like it was made by school kids, it's horrible looking.

Reply #6 Posted: June 10, 2013, 01:46:11 pm

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That's because powerpoint is aids

Reply #7 Posted: June 10, 2013, 02:17:15 pm

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2013/jun/09/nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-interview-video[/url]

This guy is awesome, he's certainly far more intelligent than Bradley manning.
He had access to a shitton of information but only released stuff in the public interest to respected journalists who deducted further information.
I'm a massive fan of the Guardian now.

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Q: Why did you decide to become a whistleblower?

A: "The NSA has built an infrastructure that allows it to intercept almost everything. With this capability, the vast majority of human communications are automatically ingested without targeting. If I wanted to see your emails or your wife's phone, all I have to do is use intercepts. I can get your emails, passwords, phone records, credit cards.

"I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things … I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under."
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Reply #8 Posted: June 10, 2013, 05:26:06 pm

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how is this guy not dead yet?

bruce willis in a blackhawk etc

Reply #9 Posted: June 10, 2013, 06:41:44 pm
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I've resigned myself to the fact that everything I do on the internet is tracked or could be if needed.

Same with my cell phone.

Info is being filtered all the time, most of it just goes down the drain but some of it pans out and we have a terror plot uncovered before peeps die.

Don't like it, send a letter, you know pen and papyrus

Reply #10 Posted: June 10, 2013, 07:58:41 pm

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I think you would have to be very naive if you think this sort of data will only ever be used to stop terrorism.
As a New Zealander would you be comfortable with the United States under someone like Bush using all of our government/business and citizens information for their own nations benefit?
As the Snowden rightly points out if they allow this to continue and grow with the current rate of technology growth these tools will just get even more powerful and then it won't take much for some senator to decide this asset should be used for far more than terrorism.

Eg. The US might want to revoke our No nukes policy to allow them to use our ports to refuel their fleet, they then start blackmailing those in our government and threatening to release scandals or other personal information that would hurt their re-elections unless they vote to revoke.

Not that far fetched especially in a decade or two.
Last Edit: June 10, 2013, 08:32:18 pm by Bell

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Don't like it, send a letter, you know pen and papyrus

Wow.

Reply #12 Posted: June 10, 2013, 08:37:07 pm
If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

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A Vietnam era whistle-blowers take.




I disagree with him in mannings case, I really think Manning was reckless and released everything he had due to his contempt of the US military.

Reply #13 Posted: June 10, 2013, 10:08:18 pm

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I've resigned myself to the fact that everything I do on the internet is tracked or could be if needed.

Same with my cell phone.

Info is being filtered all the time, most of it just goes down the drain but some of it pans out and we have a terror plot uncovered before peeps die.

Don't like it, send a letter, you know pen and papyrus

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HE'S RIGHT HERE.

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The US might want to revoke our No nukes policy to allow them to use our ports to refuel their fleet,

I think we should allow them to use our ports to refuel their fleet.  


Back on topic, it's interesting that the named companies (Google, Microsoft etc) deny they have any knowledge of this, while the US government has said it's all real. Will be interesting to see what comes out of this.

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I think we should allow them to use our ports to refuel their fleet.  

especially seeing as your cant/don't refuel nuclear vessels....

Reply #16 Posted: June 11, 2013, 01:30:39 pm
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Sigh... you know that's not the point :P

Reply #17 Posted: June 11, 2013, 06:47:05 pm

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I think you would have to be very naive if you think this sort of data will only ever be used to stop terrorism.
As a New Zealander would you be comfortable with the United States under someone like Bush using all of our government/business and citizens information for their own nations benefit?
As the Snowden rightly points out if they allow this to continue and grow with the current rate of technology growth these tools will just get even more powerful and then it won't take much for some senator to decide this asset should be used for far more than terrorism.

Eg. The US might want to revoke our No nukes policy to allow them to use our ports to refuel their fleet, they then start blackmailing those in our government and threatening to release scandals or other personal information that would hurt their re-elections unless they vote to revoke.

Not that far fetched especially in a decade or two.

I dont think it is me being naive.

Of course they have to monitor the internet, it is such a powerful tool that doesn't respect many borders.
 I am reading more and more about Chinese cyber attacks on american sites both private and government. Israel (US) just set back Irans nuclear programme  years with a cyber attack. This will imo become more common over time as the internets reach expands and we rely on it more everyday. The power of the internet was a big part in the Arab uprising, which I'm sure wasn't unnoticed by many governments.

Any super power will have to have a huge cyber team ( for want of a better phrase) to monitor and try to control the internet in their country against both foreign and local threats and to use the internet to fuck with their enemies.
 
It is simply too big of a tool to be left unchecked.

The pure weight of information they have to sift through on the net must mean they can only skim through the content using keywords etc and then zero in when they smell something fishy. Surely they can't store all that info. I don't think it will make much diff to the likes of us talking shit on a nz gaming site

As for your example, governments have been spying on and blackmailing each other since year dot so no change there. As they say in boxing, protect yourself at all times.

Reply #18 Posted: June 11, 2013, 09:02:19 pm

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The pure weight of information they have to sift through on the net must mean they can only skim through the content using keywords etc and then zero in when they smell something fishy. Surely they can't store all that info. I don't think it will make much diff to the likes of us talking shit on a nz gaming site

"The Utah Data Center, also known as the Intelligence Community Comprehensive National Cybersecurity Initiative Data Center is a data storage facility for the United States Intelligence Community that is designed to store data on the scale of yottabytes (1 yottabyte = 1 trillion terabytes, or 1 quadrillion gigabytes"

That is a ridiculous amount of data to be storing and I'm sure they will just be focusing on text storage and audio which has a much smaller footprint than video and pictures.
Just imagine how many emails you can store with 1 trillion terabytes and that's just with current technology what happens in 25 years especially when you compare it to how much data you could store in 1987.

The problem with this isn't nessassarly they are trying to capture data from cables etc, we have known that's been going on for along time and everyone does it, the big difference here is they have the biggest internet corporations in their back pocket who have been telling us that our data is safe and encrypted when send out into the wild.
That is still true but the NSA doesn't need to worry about encryption when they can access data straight from their data centers. Any company/government or person who wants to keep anything at all private on the internet has to pretty much write-off using any sort of cloud service, which sort of fucks over the whole internet thing.
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Personally i'm pretty annoyed that people seem all to willing to let massive data mining operations know everything they have ever done on the internet because they are scared of the terrorists who have less chance in killing them than they have of being struck by lightning.
How the fuck do NZers get to the point in not caring what the US does in the name of defending themselves against terrorism when NZ has barely been affected by it.
God forbid what people will be willing to give up when really under threat.

Reply #20 Posted: June 11, 2013, 10:51:11 pm

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Nah coz stenography.


I don't like it, but I also agree the internet can't run unchecked. Pedos 'n shit. Yuck, ain't no one got time fo' them.

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I don't like it, but I also agree the internet can't run unchecked. Pedos 'n shit. Yuck, ain't no one got time fo' them.


I agree, child porn and stuff affects far more people and is more widespread then terrorism. And NZ is affected by it just as much as any other country.

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I dont think it is me being naive.

Of course they have to monitor the internet, it is such a powerful tool that doesn't respect many borders.
 I am reading more and more about Chinese cyber attacks on american sites both private and government. Israel (US) just set back Irans nuclear programme  years with a cyber attack. This will imo become more common over time as the internets reach expands and we rely on it more everyday. The power of the internet was a big part in the Arab uprising, which I'm sure wasn't unnoticed by many governments.

Any super power will have to have a huge cyber team ( for want of a better phrase) to monitor and try to control the internet in their country against both foreign and local threats and to use the internet to fuck with their enemies.
 
It is simply too big of a tool to be left unchecked.

The pure weight of information they have to sift through on the net must mean they can only skim through the content using keywords etc and then zero in when they smell something fishy. Surely they can't store all that info. I don't think it will make much diff to the likes of us talking shit on a nz gaming site

As for your example, governments have been spying on and blackmailing each other since year dot so no change there. As they say in boxing, protect yourself at all times.

The point is that if there was a revolution, it would undoubtedly be organised via the internet. Not. Any. More.

Reply #24 Posted: June 12, 2013, 10:57:42 am
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