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General Chat / Christchurch Earthquake
« on: February 23, 2011, 12:26:55 am »
Am down in Welly for work, some American tourists came in on a flight from Chch to my hotel.  One asked me for clean clothes (apparently they literally came in with the clothes on their back). It took me a while to realise she was still in shock; apparently she watched someone get crushed in front of her. It sort of brought some of the reality of it to bear for me.

At the risk of being called a fgt, much love again to you folks, and although we, as aucklanders basically look down on you from across a vast cultural and economic gulf know that we're still there for you...

*gives Christchurch an embarrassed man-hug*

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Updated 27/01/2011 - trying to keep this updated more often

Sandy-Bridge (SNB) has actually gone up in price lol, however due to a bit of mobo tweaking, some new releases from AMD and Nvidia (the 1GB 6950 and the currently 'not in stock' GTX 560 it was designed to beat) along with some trimming we've cut a few hundred dollars from the midrange PCs, making SNB more attractive - note that unless you run a 2560x1440 or greater res monitor you won't need more than 1GB of video memory for now.

Other than that, there are a few housekeeping changes changes - the budget Corsair CX-400 is out of stock and a Silverstone unit takes it's place, while the ASUS DRW-24B3ST takes over DVD duties from our previous hard-to-find Samsung model. Similarly whilst the LanCool PC-K62 remains a great case, the lack of stockists (still only CL sadly) see it replaced with the excellent new CM 690 II Advanced. Also for the midrange, the Microsoft Sidewinder X6 debuts, replacing Logitechs frankly overpriced gaming keyboard, whilst finally making an appearance in the high end is the Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD7 board, with an NF200 chip for x16, x16 goodness on SNB. Next update will be in a few weeks to bring HTPCs up to date once dual-core SNB (or maybe AMDs fusion?) chips arrive.


Build well (and use an anti-static wristband)!


EDIT: swapped HD 6950 1GB for Gigabyte GTX 560 Ti, performance of each card @ stock is dependant on the game however it averages out to be identical. However, the factory overclocked Gigabye card comes with a 10% O/C out of the box, and should manage another 10% (that's a whopping 21% improvement if the user wants to max it out), making it a much better choice than the HD 6950 (which tops out at ~6%).

In fact a GTX 560 Ti fully overclocked should come in very close to a fully overclocked HD 6970. I forgot how awesome things get when both GPU companies are competitive :D

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^^ Yep :) Sandy Bridge processors, like the LGA 1156 processors before 'em, have the equpiment for generating PCIe lanes on the CPU itself, and simply put, the CPU only puts out 16 full speed PCIe 2.0 lanes, so that's all it has to work with - there are only 16 graphics lanes there.

For dual card setups more expensive boards use a switchable 'PLX' chip that divides those 16 lanes up into either a single x16 or x8, x8 - the really high end boards will use an Nvidia NF200 chip which in addition to dynamicly switching the number of lanes each card gets, uses some high-speed signalling hax to increase bandwidth.  Nvidia claim it's effectively x16, x16 but it's probably more like 24 lanes dynamically allocated.

The are some other PCIe lanes on a motherboard - they're provided by the southbridge chip on the motherboard and drive all the x1 and x4 slots as well as connect in extra components like USB 3.0 controllers.  Interestingly as they're full-speed 2.0 lanes an enterprising motherboard make could probably combine them, and make a x8, x8, x8 board albeit that the third slot would have high latency and USB 3.0 would 'cut out'.

But yeah, for the most part there are only 16 PCIe 2.0 graphics lanes on Sandy Bridge; that's all it has to play with.

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Updated 17/01/2010 - Now is a great time to be building a system :)

The second generation Intel Core i5 & i7 are now part of all mid to high-end systems, with a refresh to the 2500K and 2600K (all non 'K' chips are un-overclockable) and their P67 motherboards sweeping the mid range to the very high end - only the insane 'OMFGWTFHAX' system keeps an older CPU due to the need for X58s many PCIe slots.  It's also thus the only system that really went down in price lol - Sandy Bridge brings quite the performance gain, but there's an attendant cost increase.  Lower end systems remain AMD due to their value (and TBH these pack a hell of a punch in any case).  

Graphics wise, no major releases are expected for the future till the dual-GPU HD 6990 monster is unleashed sometime in Q1 (if ATI can work out how to power and cool the thing). Price drops for AMD (nee ATI) and Nvidia's refreshed lines have seen the pair take pretty much even honours. Expect another round of price cuts from AMD for the HD 6870 and possibly HD 6970.

Memory wise, prices continue to drop (OMFG the price fixing schemes aren't working!), resulting in decreased cost for most systems, and a bump to 8GB+ memory amounts, which are starting to become useful, in the high-end.  

Finally, to those wondering why HTPCs havent moved to Sandy Bridge yet: dual core Sandy-Bridge processors (i3 2100 & 2120) aren't yet available in NZ, ETA is currently end of Jan afaik.  



Happy building all!

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Updated 19/12/2010 - just in time for Christmas :)


Much changing of the guard for GPUs as both Nvidia and ATI are now competitive; their releases and price changes causing some swapping of parts along with a large number of outright changes. The GTX 460 (1GB of course) and HD 6950 are where the value is for 99% of gamers at present, however we should see the price of the HD 6970 and the GTX 570 dropping by around $100 in the near future as supply shores up, making them truly competitive offerings. For now the GTX 580 remains king of the hill, albeit at an exorbitant price, whilst the dual-GPU HD 6990 remains a part to be found sometime in Q1 2011.

CPU and motherboard wise, most things are still waiting on the first iteration of Intel's Sandy Bridge (LGA 1155) in Jan '11, so not much change there - I'd still recommend anyone doing more than a budget build wait a month for the new hardware. This will be followed by AMD's all new mega-super Bulldozer core a bit after mid-year with its attendant AM3+ boards (which look like having a longer platform lifespan than LGA-1155). Next up are Intel's 6+ core Sandy Bridges with dual PCIe (possibly 3.0) x16 slots in late 2011. One new CPU core very nearly in retail is AMD's Atom competitor. Codenamed Brazos, this looks to up the grunt available to low-power netbook/HTPC builds, whilst substantially increasing the graphics power - rumours abound that Intel is about to allow Nvidia to build Atom chipsets with onboard GPUs as a result.  


Happy building!

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Updated 16/10/2010 (fuck yea fri nite wooo-hoo!)

Nvidia loses ground again to ATI - with the 5870 now being so cheap it's actually taken the place of everything above the GTX 460. In fact it's such good value it's the only game in town for gaming systems above $2k. However these are cheap as the new AMD (yes AMD not ATI) HD6000 series is right around the corner - I'd recommend holding off for these for all new builds given their purported amazing mid-level performance (around 5870 levels for around $300), and impending take-over of the high-end.

In other news, SSDs are getting cheaper, HDDs are getting cheaper, and memory is.. getting cheaper (their price-fixing schemes must have run slightly aground again). The first next gen CPUs and mobos - Intel's midrange P67 and 'Sandy Bridge' LGA 1155 will be out before the end of the year, with AMD's Next Gen AM3+ and long awaited 'Bulldozer' CPU (sadly not AM3 compatible) expected mid-2011, and Intels X58 replacement (LGA-2011 and 4-8 Core 'Sandy Bridge') expected in about 12 months.

Overall, if I were buying anything other than a budget system, I'd hold off, as we're about to see a round of processor and graphics refreshes within the next few months. Fuck me those 5870s are cheap tho.....


EDIT: ok the 5870s just jumped up in price by $60 to annoy me. Still not all that dear tho.

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General Chat / Re: Christchurch Earthquake
« on: September 07, 2010, 10:52:57 am »
I know Menial. I'm in the UK rt now so I feel extra powerless to help.  If things were to worsen significantly then we may need to help house Chrischurchers around the country. For now all I can say is that I'm more than happy to accept whatever tax bill is needed, provide any manual labour to help clear shit up and when I get back to work I'll get involved in the no-doubt already active BNZ response.. But you're right, we can't all walk down there and provide food, water and blankets right now can we?

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General Chat / Re: Christchurch Earthquake
« on: September 07, 2010, 10:45:01 am »
Quote from: Menial;1307163
Yes quite, I'll be thinking of you between finishing my brioche and starting my new glass of pinot. Chin-chin.


Rather.

Pinot with a Brioche, WTF?

Quote from: Rex;1307160
Fuck you're a faggot Alex

Your a fag.

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General Chat / Re: Christchurch Earthquake
« on: September 07, 2010, 10:19:07 am »
Like most Aucklanders I tended primarily to open my mouth about Christchurcher to make jokes about whites shaving the head of their sexiest horse before the school prom / hate rally to impress their even whiter cousins.

However... seriously, after seeing the extent of the damage and suffering and knowing how lost you must feel I want to say something else. Please Cantabrians know this - we will all be there for you; however large the burden, however long it takes, however much it costs we will support you completely and restore your city. Kia Kaha, we'll get through this together.

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Updated 28/07/10 - overall it's been an interesting month for GPUs, with Nvidia actually making significant inroads (!)

Starting with the entry level systems, the 'Budget Gamer' now has a GTX 460 768MB; due to the stellar performance of this 'OMG Nvidia made a good card again' model and an actual rise in the price of the HD 5770, it was an easy swapto make - I anticipate by next month you'll be able to get a 1GB model for the same price as todays 768MB. In fact given the frankly astounding ~90% average scaling SLI'd GTX 460s give (in both average and minimum FPS) the 1GB 460 in SLI very nearly replaced the HD 5870 in the 'SRS Gamer' segment, only losing out due to the associated costs/complexity of multi-card setups and immature drivers.

Perhaps even more suprisingly however the GTX 470 also moves in to replace the HD 5850 in the 'Gamer' PC; steadily improving production methods for the 470 have lowered voltages which in turn reduce temps/noise, whilst improved drivers have opened up a decent gap between the GTX 470 and the slower HD 5850. This, combined with price rises for ATI and drops for Nvidia means that I'm quite comfortable recommending the GTX 470 at $500 over the $460 HD 5850. In spite of the same improvements in the GTX 480 (slightly lower temps/noise and better drivers), the card just remains too hot (it can deform cables FFS) and loud to recommend.

ATI however fires back at least one salvo courtesy of Sapphire; interestingly takeing the ultra-high end segment that Nvidia tends to dominate. Whilst the 'OMFGWTFHAX' rig is supposed to be a system so extreme no ones likely to build it, even theoretically cooling four GTX 480 cards is ridiculously difficult and complicated, whilst powering them is right on the limit of what is possible. As such two of the new Sapphire 5970 4GB cards, with core/memory speeds and overclocking potential identical to that of a stock 5870, combined with lower temps and noise than 5870, presents a better option. Doing this also allows this system to ditch the outlandish PC80 case and Gigabyte X58A-UD9 motherboard for arguably better options, as well as providing space for a discrete soundcard. Win.

Other hardware has seen a slight but noticable general decrease in price, largely due to an appreciating NZ dollar..... however this not being an economics lecture so I'll STFU and just say now's a good time to buy hardware IMO ;)

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Technology & Hardware / Re: Show us your setup!
« on: July 14, 2010, 06:12:42 pm »
Quote from: EskemoJoe;1287551
Coming soon :)

Quick question - does your Megashadow look that black IRL? Mine looks a lot more silvery :/

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Technology & Hardware / Re: Reliable Suppliers
« on: July 05, 2010, 09:45:44 pm »
I haven't found them to be particularly good..

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Quote from: JontyB;1284253
i still laugh at the pic for SRS GAMING


i know people like that


Dude... that's a self-photo. I 4m t3h 0ff3nd3d :(

Quote from: ArtanisNZ;1284255
I'm saving my pennies atm for Xonar D1 $149 from the like of CL

http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=11928


K will add that in for now. Any other suggestions sound-card wise (Azuntech X-Fi?) please make em here!

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Hmm good point. Wouldn't fit into the OMGWTFHAX rig, but the $3000+ systems could do with the option. Suggestions for a good gaming/general duties card?

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Updated 03/07/2010

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General Chat / Re: Random Images
« on: July 02, 2010, 07:58:38 pm »
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb305/philo-sofa/rooster.jpg

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Updated 09/05/2010 and added mini-ITX HTPC build.

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Updated 12/04/10

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General Chat / Random Images
« on: April 07, 2010, 01:20:21 am »
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb305/philo-sofa/priest_bear_lol.jpg


* yes it's offensive but so are Ratzingers alleged actions


[Pedobear makes an exceptional appearence]

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The difference is $50 (does that change your perception of the value?). I still agonized over it, but at the end of the day I figured the number of people who'll actually be well placed to go beyond the top single card is so small it's better to keep the extra cash. That having been said, I want to check the model I've chosen has the PCIe switching chip for it's SATA and USB 3 devices, if not I'll have to change it to the pro anyway.

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Cheers for all the positive comments folks.  Keep the suggestions coming!


Quote from: Kopfjaeger;1089954

Excellent list Philo, BTW iFocus have 40GB Intel SSDs for $200 ATM, might be useful in a budget gaming rig ?


Chu chur.  Have added the SSD as an option at present - unsure as to whether to add it in by default to the $2,200 rig. It seems like a good piece of kit to have on something of that price range, but am keen to avoid creeping price growth, particularly in the cheaper systems.  Any thoughts on that?


Quote from: pyro;1089713
Does GetSome have any deals with Playtech as I'm likely to be upgrading to an i5 system this week or next and its a toss up between buying from CL or Playtech.

Well done on the thread Philo, very well laid out.


Thanks man.  I don't believe we have any discount deals set up yet, but if I have time tonight I'll jump on and confirm what the situation is.

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Quote from: Raped_ByA_Spoon;1089701
Did you have a moment creating the OMG Hax system, I had a small one looking at it.  There is two minor adjustments I would make however.  First a second monitor, and second a high class prostitute.

Well, as far as monitors go I'm of the general opinion that one 2560x1440 panel is enough, if it were to go any further it would be to triple 1080p Eyefinity setup - however with that even two 5970's will be worked out quite hard, which restricts the gaming experience a bit.  I see where you're coming from, but overall I think one bigass monitor is still the best solution.  I disagree wholeheartedly on the prostitute thing though; clearly presenting a rig like that will make any girl tingle with excitement and anticipation till she melts into your heavy gamer musculature.

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Quote from: Alroys;1089677
Youve ether written down the wrong price or part, as a "AMD Athlon II X2 245' is around $100 not $160.

My guess would be you ment x4 630, as thats around $160

Other than that looks good :sunnies:

Cheers, corrected.
 
Quote from: broncos;1089678
wow---well done bro, though would be nice to get a price with them building

It's intended primarily for self-builders... on the other hand it's also for people who just want to know what components should go in without building. For those that want to go down that route I've added a section in the OP on Playtech and CL's building services, cheers for the idea dude.

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mini-ITX HTPC:

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb305/philo-sofa/NSK-1.png



Mobo   -   ASUS P8H67-I B3 - $200
      
CPU   -   Intel Core i3 2120 - $215
      
RAM   -   DDR3 1600 2x2GB (4GB Total) - $65
      
GPU   -   Onboard
      
HDD   -   Seagate Momentus XT 500 GB - $170
      
Optical   -   Samsung SH-B123A - $130
            
Case & PSU   -   Antec ISK 310-150 - $150
            
KB & Mouse   -   Logitech Wireless Desktop MK300 - $60


Total - $990 (exclusive of TV tuner + remote if required)



Optional Low-Profile Bracket Soundcard          Auzen X-Fi Forte 7.1 - $250




HTPC:

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb305/philo-sofa/7-HTPC.jpg



Mobo   -   ASRock H67M - $150
      
CPU   -   Intel Core i3 2120 - $215
      
RAM   -   DDR3 1600 2x2GB (4GB Total) - $65
      
GPU   -   Onboard
      
HDD   -   WD Green 2TB - $130
      
Optical   -   Samsung SH-B123A - $130
            
Case & PSU   -   Antec NSK 2480 & Antec Earthwatts 380w - $195
      
KB & Mouse   -   Logitech Wireless Desktop MK300 - $60


Total - $945 (exclusive of TV tuner + remote if required)



Optional Soundcard          ASUS Xonar D1 - $125

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Uber Gaming (~ $5,300):


http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb305/philo-sofa/5-UberGamer.jpg



Mobo  -  ASUS P8Z68 DELUXE/GEN3 - $475
   
CPU  -  Intel Core i7 2700K - $495
   
RAM   -   DDR3 1600MHz 2x4GB (8GB Total) - $90
   
GPU   -   AMD HD 7970 - $980
   
SSD  -  OCZ Agility 3 Series 240 GB - $540
   
HDD   -   Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 64MB 2TB - $210
   
Optical   -   Samsung SH-B123A - $120
   
PSU  -  OCZ ZX Series 850W - $290
   
Case  -  Corsair Obsidian 800D - $530
   
Monitor   -   Samsung S27A950D - $950

Soundcard -  ASUS Xonar D1 - $125

Speakers  -  M-Audio AV40 - $250
   
KB  -  Razer Blackwidow Ultimate - $200
   
Mouse  -  Logitech G500 - $85


Total - $5,335


Recommended CPU Cooling 1     Antec Kühler H2O 620 - $100
     
Recommended CPU Cooling 2     Thermalright Venomous-X - $125 & Scythe Slipstream 120mm 1600rpm - $40




OMFGWTFHAX rig (~ $11,000):

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb305/philo-sofa/6-OMFGWTFHAX.jpg



Mobo  -  Asus Rampage IV Extreme/BF3 - $800
   
CPU  -  Intel Core i7 3960X - $1,450
   
RAM  - Kingston HyperX DDR3-2133 CL11 4x4GB (16GB Total) - $460
   
GPU   -   3 x AMD Gigabyte HD 7970 Windforce 3X $3,150
   
SSD  -  2 x Vertex 3 240GB - $1,360
   
HDD  -  WD Green 3 TB - $275
   
Optical  -  Asus BW-12B1LT - $230
   
PSU  -  Enermax MaxRevo 1500W - $510
   
Case  -  Corsair Obsidian 800D - $530
   
Monitor  -  Dell U2711 - $1,120 or Samsung S27A950D - $950

Soundcard -  ASUS Xonar D1 - $125
   
Speakers  -  M-Audio AV40 - $250
   
KB  -  Logitech G19 - $250
   
Mouse  -  Razer Mamba - $190


Total - $10,700



Recommended CPU Cooling 1     Corsair Hydro Series H100 - $230
     
Recommended CPU Cooling 2     Prolimatech Genesis (check selected RAM for height clearance) - $125 & 2x Scythe Slipstream 120mm 1600rpm - $80

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